
By Brian Dingwall, New Zealand
Hi Kids,
Many of you will be marching today, demonstrating for an issue you believe to be very important.
Many years ago, I was young, well informed, and absolutely convinced I knew enough to make good decisions for the future of the world, and couldn’t understand just how obtuse all the oldies were, how they just didn’t know the stuff I had just learned.
Malthusian economics drove most of us, the Club of Rome had reported, and to my subsequent shame, I confess that in 1975 I voted for the Values Party….I wanted a better world, I knew resources were on the verge of running out, the population was out of control, and we were polluting our one and only planet. It was, I thought, time for the change that was so desperately required
The Values party did not get in, to our surprise the resources did not run out, Simon won his bet with catastrophist Erhlich, as countries became more wealthy they cleaned up their environments, particularly water, farmlands, and air.
China is now wealthy enough to be doing exactly that right now, following in the footsteps of Japan, Taiwan, and Korea. We certainly never see the famous foaming rivers of industrial Japan anymore.
Economists now understand that the ultimate resource, the human imagination, never runs out.
So is it likely to be with climate change. I urge you to never abandon your scepticism, for a critical mind is your most important asset.
Be able to articulate exactly what evidence has persuaded you to your opinion. Opinions though, are not evidence. Consensus is not evidence.
The world has many historic consensuses that have turned out to not be so. So far, I don’t mind sharing with you, I have yet to be persuaded.
My background is in science, with a smattering of economics, and statistics and I well understand the case for catastrophic climate change. I find it unconvincing.
As do a raft of well qualified experts in many fields, even Nobel prize winners, and I urge you to find out who they are, and why they have reservations.
There are two sides to this debate, but only one is well resourced, so you have to work a bit harder to find the arguments of the sceptical scientists.
One of the very great tragedies of the whole issue is that since 1990, it has been very difficult for scientists to garner resources from governments to research natural climate change, but we can be certain that the forces that wreaked great climate changes in the past are still active, and may be a much greater magnitude than those wreaked by CO2.
For today please reflect on these things:
All the CO2 being released today is simply being returned to the atmosphere whence it came, and is now available to the biosphere, which we can see is already flourishing as a result. Global temperatures have increased (about 0.7C degrees in last 100 years) ever since the little ice age, and continue to but at nothing like the rate predicted by climate models.
We live from the equator to (nearly) the poles, and hence are particularly adaptable, and will adapt to minor temperature changes and have in the past through climate optima, and little ice ages.
Much of the land surface of the earth is too cold for habitation or agriculture, some warming of the northern latitudes of Canada and Russia for example will be welcomed.
Here in New Zealand, we produce food for the world, with one of, if not the lowest “carbon footprints” of any country. Should you actually succeed in killing this industry, that production will be conducted elsewhere, at a higher carbon cost…..so the improvement as you see it, in New Zealand’s emissions will be more than offset by extra emissions elsewhere….we will be adding to the problem, not mitigating it.
It is also very important that each of you understands that for any complex problem, there are a range of decisions, trade-offs, to be considered. Do we understand all the benefits that follow from the use of fossil fuels? How many of these are we prepared to sacrifice? What would a fossil fuel-less world look like for you (hint: I don’t think you would like it very much).
Have you read or even heard of the “moral case for fossil fuels”, and do you understand the extent to which they feed and clothe the world, provide us with our tools, and our leisure, empower our devices, and enable our travel at present? House us and clean us?
You are not informed if you only read one side of the case. I happen to believe in free markets, the economics of von Mises, Hayek, Friedman, Simon, McCloskey, and many of the moderns but I have also read Marx, and various of the collectivist economists, you must know what all the opinion leaders are saying and why.
So do seek out “lukewarmers” like Curry, Lewis, Christy, Soon, Balunias, they will lead you to a raft of others “the counter-consensus” that you, like me, may find rather more convincing than the orthodox climate church.
Personally I have learned that what I knew at your age (vastly more than my parents knew, of course) was not always right….now captured in the expression “it’s not what we don’t know, it’s what we know for sure that just ain’t so”.
We once believed in leeches, blood-letting, that washing our hands was not important, that continents didn’t drift, that stress causes ulcers, a daily aspirin is good, and that there is always an imminent catastrophe on the horizon that never materialises.
The question is whether what we know for sure that the specific climate change you worry about is human caused, will have a measurable and substantial impact, and is real. What climate change would have been quite natural? Will we look back in years to come and think “we believed what?”
Have we included accurately in our models the impacts of short and long term natural oceanic cycles, cosmic rays impact on cloud nucleation, clouds, the sun and sunspots, what, if anything, is there still that we don’t know that we don’t know? Can we get initial conditions right?
Always examine closely the logic of the case…we have only one world so all we can do is create computer models of the climate, and wait to see if nature tells us the models are a good approximation of the real world suitable for projecting future climates…..and if climate is a 30 year average of all our global “weather” then we probably have to wait at least two preferably more periods of 30 years simply to validate the models so 100 years or so.
So far the projections and predictions have been wildly wrong, the polar ice is healthy, the Manhattan freeway is not underwater, sea-level rise is not accelerating, and snow is far from “a thing of the past”. As climate scientist and keeper of one of the satellite records ironically observes “the models all agree the observations are wrong”.
And the economics don’t work, as Nobel prize winner Nordhaus teaches the cost of mitigation is an order of magnitude greater than the cost of the problem, so the cure is worse than the disease.
Don’t take my word for it, or anyone’s. Read for yourselves, go to source. Do not trust any scientist who calls a peer scientist a “denier”. Understand peer review, and that a peer reviewed paper is more often than not just the opening salvo in a chain of events that may or may not ultimately expose a scientific truth.
Be very careful of any theory where the accepted facts (historic temperatures, and the location and number of the thermometers)) change regularly to suit the narrative.
And finally, enjoy your day, be yourselves, trust your own judgment, read widely, and look behind the data to the motives of the players.
There is a (slim) chance you are right, but even if you are, trust in human ingenuity, that fabulous engine of change, to ensure survival not of the world as we know it, but of an even better world than previous generations enjoyed….we will not revert to sleeping with our food animals on dirt floors with unpainted walls! As humans have done for most of our time on earth….
Originally published at whaleoil.co.nz
“Youth climate strike: Students across the country walk out of class as part of global protest” (Live now)
Should be funny !
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6014405341001/#sp=show-clips
As usual the CBC managed to find a ridiculous letter from some 7 grader…
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/ada-dechene-climate-change-pov-1.5056541
“Climate change is not a new thing. The denial of climate change is not new either. Because of denial and not acting, we have to work much harder now so that a climate crisis will be averted.”
Brainwashed idiot.
It was a good article, but wasted because the author assumes these people are mostly like him, just a flip to the other side of the same coin. They are not. They are marxists. Global Warming Doom is a prop for Socialism. They will abandon it in a heartbeat if they find a better vehicle to promote Socialism.
Its a mistake common to conservatives – they think the hungry Tiger can be influenced by an appeal to intellectual integrity or civility, because Tigers are human just like them. This is also why socialism keeps turning up like a bad penny. That one responsible for over 120 million dead in the last century. After what they have done, Socialists should be terrified of being accurately identified as socialists. Instead, we keep helping them up off the mat. And we have to re-fight battles we had already won, watch good people get destroyed taking terrain we though had been secured. To what end?
Yes. We have “proved” we are better than the Marxists. That will be of some comfort in the labor camps. Well done. But we are running out of fighters, and this win streak will not last forever. The tigers are nothing like us. They are not interested in any Scientific Method, they are not swayed by reason, they are not capable of learning from their mistakes, they are not interested in any truths you want to share. They are going to have to be put down.
But I doubt the Right has the courage to initiate that level of violence. Never the right moment, never the right cause. Keeping powder dry that will never be put to use. Passivity is a feature of conservatism, not a bug. The Left routinely overplays their hand, and sometimes that gets them smacked down, but more often their audacity is rewarded. The Right tends to ALWAYS err on the side of caution, and are adept at turning complete routs into orderly retreats. They would play a Prevent Defense for 4 quarters in order to lose by a few field goals instead of a few touchdowns. Who do you think will prevail?
The Left, of course. Because we don’t want to kill every last one of them. And we will write 500 word articles lamenting the Fall of the Republic and whoever is being unpersoned this week.
“Malthusian economics” — really? — you would use a phrase like this to talk to kids?
“Club of Rome” — ?? — you really think kids would have any idea what that is?
“Values Party” — ?? — come on! — This is way over any kid’s head !
Sorry, but I just do not see this as an open letter to … kids. As such, I cannot see any kid really taking the time to read it, let alone assimilating any insight from it.
Talking to kids with any hope of success would require a much more kid-like tone and more careful choice of words.
“I’m not young enough to know everything”
J. M. Barrie
+10! Thanks!
Brian Dingwall, I had a little chuckle as I started to read your article when you referenced voting for the “Values Party” (the forerunner to the Greens for non New Zealanders benefit). At high school I was a member of the Labour Party when Norm Kirk was Prime Minister. At my 1st election when I was among the first 18 year olds to have the right to vote, I joined the Values Party. I voted for Values at the next election in ’78, but by ’81 Robert Muldoon (the incumbent National Party Prime Minister 1975-1984) had convinced me I was wasting my time.
I still have my dusty old copy of “The Limits To Growth.” I cringe at the thought that I believed all of the nonsense promoted in that book. I had always challenged authority, but in this case I fell into the trap of thinking that the authors of TLTG were just onto it! At the time there was very little to counter TLTG. It was mostly by attrition that I came to realize that at best the authors of TLTG were mistaken, and at worst they were deliberately misleading.
Beware of hidden agendas!
I would like to think that today’s version of us young zealots will learn quicker than I initially did how some adults fill eager young brains with their beliefs. I hope they learn to challenge all authority.
As far as what happened in Christchurch yesterday, to call the perpetrators extreme right wing might be an easy way to button hole these people for the MSM & politicians, but a more accurate description would be along the lines of Skinhead/White Supremacists. What started in the late 70’s as the ‘Boot Boys’ and punk rockers quickly developed into the highly racist & often violent Skinheads with links back to England. Christchurch and the lower east coast of the South Island has been a hot bed for these types ever since. They are less prevalent in the rest of the country. The skinheads then morphed into National Front type white supremacists. I believe authorities have spent so long looking outwards for threats that they have forgotten these types of threats can emerge in a similar way to the likes of Timothy McVie at Oklahoma City. For the moment I not hearing any mention of this from the MSM. Questions are already being asked as to why, despite reports that these people were posting threats on social media in the past month, didn’t flags pop up around them warning us of this internal threat?
Looking back on my early years I now consider myself to have been fortunate in that the events occurring at that time helped to shape my thinking processes.
For example in 1936 aged 9 years, I returned from India to the UK. so I missed out on the worst of the Great Desperation, but it was still bad, so I learned early on that money does not grow on a tree anywhere.
Then in 1938 we returned from Egypt. Now 11 and wishing to buy a
second hand telescope, but no pocket money I went to work. A paper round Monday to Saturday, and later on Saturday morning delivering grocer is, a bile with a basket in front, up and down the hills of Salisbury in Wiltshire..
This taught me the value of work to be able to earn money to then be able to
buy something that one wanted.
Then the second world war started, this initially did not make much
impression on me, that changed when we moved to live in Twickenham, 14
miles due West of the CBD of London. So I and others of course had a front
row seat of the “Battle of Britain” first daylight, followed by the night
bombing.
Now all of these things made a big impression on my young brain, and made
me realise that basics like staying alive are far more important than wondering
what will happen to the climate in the year 2100 really were.
MJE VK5ELL
One thing that I find really irritating is how all the proponents of the CAGW conjecture are so smug about having succeeded in co-opting the children into these protests – like old Mosher on here. Smug, nay cock-a-hoop.
The MSM are in thrall to them, and anyone who makes even the mildest of criticisms is roundly castigated. Matey who wrote this open letter will probably get a dose of it, if anyone notices: They’ll finger him for being a ‘Big Oil-funded Climate Denier’.
When will this abject nonsense ever end..?!
}:o(
Interesting that the kids march happened on the same day a self described ‘eco-fascist shot up a mosque killing 49 people in New Zealand. In his manifesto he mentioned how when he was a Communist, he was well aware of the utility of using grossly exaggerated eco-doomsday narratives to recruit useful idiots and he proposes the far right do the same thing. So impending climate catastrophe justifies fascist solutions. The World is overpopulated which increases Carbon emissions so killing people is the way to go. Scary stuff and maybe indoctrinating kids is the thin end of the wedge.
My only peeve is, we are stuck arguing for fossil fuel. No doubt that everyone who argues for fossils fuels would be pro Nuclear.
“fossil fuel” is a misnomer with a slurring tone. If coal, oil or gas were fossils, they couldn’t be fuels.
Solar, chemically stored energy (SCSE) is a better description. I doubt we could build nuclear plants without it.
What a joke. Everyone can swing a sign around and yell things. “Do something”. Funny how it’s always the other guy who should do “something”.
We should tell these kids to get rid of their smartphones and video games, and start cleaning the roads from trash. Let’s see how enthusiastic they now will be.
Brainwashed juveniles bleating mainstream diatribe funded by Soros & Co
Has anyone explain to the kids that the Green group who’s idea of doing
something will result in at best intermittent electricity, or at worst none at all.
What would the little darlings do without electricity.
All this ” Something must be done ” stuff reminds me of the then Prince of
Wales, later to be fortunately a brief King Edward the 8th, was touring the
parts of Wales where the coal mines had closed down. This was about
1936.
He then returned to London and declared that “Something must be done”.
Having done his Duty he returned to the sea south of Italy, to have fun
with his numerous mistresses, all married to the elates of London’s society.
So the “Something must be done”” goes back a long way, but of course it
is never the solution to the real problems of society.
MJE VK5ELL