This really might end up being “quote of the year” rather than “quote of the week”. This morning Pres. Donald Trump tweeted about Dr. Patrick Moore the co-founder of Greenpeace. What he said is creating a firestorm amongst some green organizations.
Too many those are fighting words, and Greenpeace has already fired back obviously very upset. But at the same time they are illustrating just how much of a bunch of liars they are:
The problem is, we’ve already caught them out on this lie, because the Internet never forgets:
Source: http://web.archive.org/web/20021119050900/http://www.greenpeace.org.au/aboutus/founders.html
Read the whole thing here
I do believe a Founder IS a first member! DUH!
You old fuddy duddy. You have to contextualise these things nowadays. It’s a feel kinda thing and if you don’t feel like it then it aint so. Apparently with that kind of emotional feel you can run national power grids and lotsa unfeeling techy stuff like that.
The eco-activist examined the four slips of paper which he had unrolled. Each contained a message of only one or two lines…
Mainstream Media 03/12/2019 climate change malreported rectify
Mainstream Media 03/12/2019 Patrick Moore was a Greenpeace founder malreported rectify
Orwell didn’t foresee the Wayback Machine.
I would assume part of the Ministry of truth’s job is to “correct” the way back machines records as well. Fortunately the real world hasn’t full caught up with Orwell’s 1984
“Tell me” said “O’Brien how many fingers am I holding up”?
It was Burton’s last and one of his greatest and most memorable acts.
I recommend Griff to watch it some day!
(That and Sellers in Kubrick’s great classic with Teller as the lunatic with the brilliant ideas.)
On the morning after the November 2016 election, as the realization that Trump had indeed won the White House, we all knew that at least the next 4 years were going to be a fun filled time. Green’s and Liberals going nuts, falling into despair, going nuts, falling into nut, repeat ad nauseum. Get more popcorn, repeat.
So far the The Donald has not let us down. I look forward to the next 6 years of this to continue.
It’s no fair to gorge popcorn – he is surrounded by swamp creatures who would like to gorge on him! Show support for Trump – get him to sign on as he intends with China’s BRI and drive the swamp creatures to utter uncontrollable rage. Why not, it’s fun! I can imagine the rabid dance Pence, Rubio and Pompeo would throw! Not even mentioning Schiff et al!
Grass skirts, anyone?
Easy to check on the origins of Greenpeace and Dr. Moore’s part played. I was at the University of British Columbia in the late 1960s when Greenpeace was first organized to protest bomb tests in the Aleutian Islands. Greenpeace, as Dr. Moore correctly points out, has since morphed into an international conglomerate of “green” causes that have become a menace to humanity. Some us are still around and we remember. Greenpeace should be banned as economic terrorists (as India has done) and as vandals and criminals.
Stop ecoterrorism. Greenland was green and CO2 was much higher before!
Actually, that is two lies in GP s tweet. Not only was More a founding member, he is also not a paid lobbyist but his own man.
LMAO!! If it weren’t for lies…the Left would have NOTHING to say at all…
It is interesting to note that of the five listed in the Greenpeace document Patrick Moore is the only one with a science related degree. The other four are a social worker two attorneys and a deep sea diver.
Ben Gunn, I was typing the exact same thing until I noticed your post right above.
+1
I agree. Science requires the ability to look at questions without emotion and make decisions/recommendation based on facts.
Patrick More helped formed Greenpeace because he cared about people and the environment.
Moore still cares, the difference is he now knows the facts do not support CAGW and the solution to the problem that does not exist, causes significant damage to the environment and to people.
In the immortal words of “Dad’s Army”:
“They don’t like it up them, do they?”
“Patrick Moore was not a co-founder of Greenpeace. He does not represent Greenpeace. He is a paid lobbyist, not an independent source. His statements about @AOC & the #GreenNewDeal have nothing to do with our positions.”
Let’s see, they start with a lie, then move to a red herring, then another lie, ending with a huge, moronic red herring. They are getting more and more desperate and hysterical with each passing day. We’re winning.
As usual the BBC and the Independent put a different spin on it.
“Greenpeace hits back at Trump tweet on climate change denial”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47543905
“Trump repeats false claim there is no climate change crisis as he brands science ‘fake'”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-climate-change-fake-science-tweet-a8819201.html
Both the BBC and the Independent support Greenpeace’s claim that Patrick Moore was not a co-founder of Greenpeace.
Both show their true colours as out-and-out liars.
Sad times.
BBC = “Blatantly Bumbling Confabulators”
The Independent = “Independent of Truth”
Just wow ! — It is so blatantly obvious what liars they all are, and how some minds are bent on riding this warp-speed falsehood with them.
Hmm, well according to what I can find online, Patrick Moore is not considered one of the founders. I cannot say if history has been rewritten, only what is written now.
For example, above it clearly says “The committees Founders and First Members”, so Patrick is at least a First Member. From Wiki (which I actually expected Patrick to have been deleted from entirely) it says “key crew members decided to formally change the name of the Don’t Make a Wave Committee to the Greenpeace Foundation. These decision makers included founders Bob Hunter, Rod Marining and Ben Metcalfe as well as Patrick Moore.”
Sp clearly the editors of that Wiki entry separated Patrick from being a Founder (but at least acknowledge he exists!).
I found this: http://greenspiritstrategies.com/who-are-the-founders-of-greenpeace/
But every reference it points to is gone.
What is obvious and was unknown to me – The progressives HATE this person. Wow, what a huge amount of time and effort is spent on denying his early roles in Greenpeace and in assassinating his character. This means he is likely effective in getting his ideas across. I guess I should be paying MORE attention to what he is saying – I mean if Greenpeace is so rattled then he is onto something.
Like gangs, the Left saves its worst for defectors.
The thing I like about Trumps tweets is they go to 100million+ people. There’s a bang in that buck for sure. Probably more like 500million internationally. He’s a one man campaign. Europe falling apart, the Paris Accord washed away in tears, Gilets Jaune factories now France’s largest industry, they are selling abroad now. Stupid Champagne Soshulists, burning their billions trying to get totes elected reveals them as nit that smart after all. A wiseman would have rolled up his tent on the midway and retired to Monaco as soon as Trump got elected. I almost shed a tear when yesterday’s man Soros disgraced himself in Davos when the Pres showed up – is that all you really got schmuck?
Chateau Soshulis – haven’t found that – is a Grand Cru or Brut?
My “Green Head” is exploding!
Please don’t link to anything on a Greenpeace website or social media, I might inadvertently read the blatant lies they spew causing my bullshit detector to melt and my hatred of lies and liars to explode the blood-pressure.
I’m really “Green”, wanting what’s best for the Earth and all of the life on it and in it. I don’t want jerk-offs useful-idiots to cover it with ineffectual solar cells and wind mills, that are full of toxins and pollution themselves.
But also I don’t believe in stealing and lying, so could never support socialism in any form.
I love the smell of green slieze melting in the morning.
I would add that the Greenpeace website still says Greenpeace was founded in 1972-the year Patrick Moore joined. -Better save it before they realise their mistake, because they contradict it elsewhere.
https://www.greenpeace.org/archive-international/en/about/history/founders/
“Irving Stowe died of pancreatic cancer on 28 October 1974, aged 59 – only two years after Greenpeace was founded. ”
But they also say elsewhere that the entity that became Greenpeace was already in existence ‘for a year’ by the time Patrick joined-in 1972, as an entity called ‘Don’t Make a Wave Committee’, but this entity was formed in 1970.
“Patrick Moore applied for a berth on the Phyllis Cormack in March, 1971 after the organization had already been in existence for a year.”
“In 1970, the Don’t Make A Wave Committee was established; its sole objective was to stop a second nuclear weapons test at Amchitka Island in the Aleutians.”
The voyage occurred in 1972, and Patrick applied for it in March 1971, and was accepted. His application was to the ‘Don’t Make a Wave Committee’, so the name hadn’t yet been formerly changed to Greenpeace, although it lists both ‘Don’t Make a Wave’ and ‘Greenpeace Canada’ on the reply.
https://www.greenpeace.org/archive-international/Global/usa/binaries/2008/12/patrick-moore-s-application-le.pdf.
Also of note, is they give special mention to ‘4 founders’ on the above founder webpage-one of whom also responded to an ad in the paper-David McTaggett. (This ad was also likely made by the ‘Don’t Make a Wave Committee’).
“Responding to a newspaper ad placed by a newly-founded group called Greenpeace, the Canadian-born former entrepreneur promptly renamed his sailing boat “Greenpeace III” and set sail to confront a French nuclear weapon test.”
https://www.greenpeace.org/archive-international/en/about/history/founders/
So, David is considered ‘a founder’ when responding to an ad by a newly formed group called ‘Greenpeace’ (likely ‘Don’t Make a Wave committee’, but if the group was already formerly called ‘Greenpeace’-as he also changed the name of his boat to ‘Greenpeace 3’- then its likely this ad was made even later than when Patrick responded), whilst Patrick is not. Hmmmm………
Inconsistency anyone?
I would add to the above that Patrick may have joined in 1971, not 1972- as I stated above-the year the fateful boat sailed-because he also applied for it in March 1971.
Very few people have a good enough memory to be a successful liar.
Actually I made a bit of a mistake in the above. Greenpeace still clearly say the organization was ‘founded’ in 1972, AFTER Patrick had already applied, and in all likelihood already joined, in 1971. He was certainly there in 1972 when the organization was renamed from Don’t Make a Wave Committee to Greenpeace, because he was on the voyage in 1972. And if David was a founder, responding to an ad in the same way Patrick did (but likely afterwards), then Patrick was a founder as well.
From memory, after one of the other times that Moore has had to defend this claim, it was found that ALL members of the Phyllis Cormack, aka: Greenpeace applied for a berth on the voyage in writing, including the owner/captain of the Phyllis Cormack!
Trump and Fox unfortunately are not the faces you want leading the anti-AGW movement. This is an old tactic, control the opposition by having those who wont have much credibility to lead it.
Indeed a number of Republican Senators and Big Oil have paid lip service to AGW, perhaps sensing its something they can exploit to their advantage.
Expensive alternative energy prices allows oil prices to increase as well, and less production growth increases the life of cheap oil reserves so that more can be sold later in a higher price environment. Reducing the rate of consumption also allows less CAPEX investment in looking for and developing new supplies
Also, getting in at the ground level with subsidized renewable energy will allow them to control these industries as well
1/4 of all oil is used for petrochemicals. There will always be demand even if the energy component shrinks. Besides, the military uses more oil than most countries for energy/fuel. Thats never changing
The only victim will be the middle class. Energy and goods inflation and added taxes should finish them off. Its pretty much a bipartisan goal to finish off the middle class. Doing a pretty good job of it even without the green economy.
As with everything one should put things into context. It was the 1960 tees, Racial Carson had just written “Silent Spring” against DDT. The testing of atomic bombs was conducted on the surface and the known level of radio activity in the atmosphere was rising.
The Japanese were busy hunting the whales and people were unsure just what was going on.
We had the population bulge of the Baby Boomers, those born as the troops returned from WW2, so lots of idealistic young folk.
So this was the situation which lead to the formation of the “Green peace movement”.
But as with so many organizations, when the initial objectives, the atomic
bomb testing, and a slowdown in the hunting of the Whales had been stopped, , the members of Green peace having tasted a degree of political power wanted more.
It came about that at this time Communism was in serious decline, so many Westerners dream of a all Communistic World had failed. So they jumped onto the nearest new thing, which happened to be Green peace.
That was when Patrick Moore decided to leave, but he was clearly a senior
member of the initial organization. A Co-founder.
MJE
Like removing Trotsky from the Stalin photos.
Yes sir climate science is indeed fake science in the grand tradition of fake science. It got started with the ozone hole when the UN discovered the power of debilitating fear.
https://tambonthongchai.com/2019/03/12/ozone1966-2015/
Of course it is fake science, because clouds are warming the planet rather than GHGs..
https://de.scribd.com/document/369953233/The-Net-Effect-of-Clouds-on-the-Radiation-Balance-of-Earth-2
All thing is meaning trump say yes, do yes
I was on the front row of some of those early Amchitca Don’t Make a Wave protests across Western Canada in the early 1970’s. I think it was in Saskatoon in 1971 when the movement was really taking off with the first big marches, where the University Of Sask had co-organized the protest with the early GreenPeace prototype, with the focus of trying to shut down the northern uranium mines in Saskatchewan which was reportedly selling the yellowcake to make the bombs that were being tested at Amchitca and for the French in the South Pacific. I still remember that Patrick Moore was the intelligent one there giving the speeches, and Paul Watson was the noisy guy on the bull horn. Those protests were legitimate, especially given this was just 25 years after WW2 and the Atomic bombs being used at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, not to mention the stupidity of blowing up nuclear bombs on an earthquake fault in Alaska.
But little did I know at that time that the thousands of mainly other teenagers and baby boomers such as myself were planting that seed for what would come of that movement, being Green Peace International, and now the group we skeptics probably despise the most in trying to expose the truth about CO2 and CAGW/CC. Maybe that is why I am now so passionate about doing my little part to expose this and shed some light where I can, because I feel a little guilty about helping that group get established. Now I too feel I have to speak out about things and if enough people do, I think we can ensure that the right thing happens in the end.
“Fake science “is an accurate description see
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/01/23/the-co2-derangement-syndrome-a-historical-overview/
It concludes:
“When analyzing complex systems with multiple interacting variables it is useful to note the advice of Enrico Fermi who reportedly said “never make something more accurate than absolutely necessary”. The 2017 paper proposed a simple heuristic approach to climate science which plausibly proposes that a Millennial Turning Point (MTP) and peak in solar activity was reached in 1991,that this turning point correlates with a temperature turning point in 2003/4, and that a general cooling trend will now follow until approximately 2650.
The establishment’s dangerous global warming meme, the associated IPCC series of reports, the entire UNFCCC circus, the recent hysterical IPCC SR1.5 proposals and Nordhaus’ recent Nobel prize are founded on two basic errors in scientific judgement. First – the sample size is too small. Most IPCC model studies retrofit from the present back for only 100 – 150 years when the currently most important climate controlling, largest amplitude, solar activity cycle is millennial.
his means that all climate model temperature outcomes are too hot and likely fall outside of the real future world. (See Kahneman -Thinking Fast and Slow p 118) Second – the models make the fundamental scientific error of forecasting straight ahead beyond the Millennial Turning Point (MTP) and peak in solar activity which was reached in 1991. These errors are compounded by confirmation bias and academic consensus group think.”
Climate “Science” just as with so many “Causes”, is today all about money.
Other peoples of course, so as has been said so many times, “Just follow the
money trail.
MJE