Damage Control: CNN Explains “Global Warming” Does Not Always Mean Warming

Source WoodForTrees.org
Source WoodForTrees

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

According to CNN we should remember global warming also causes global cooling, and that any confusion is the fault of the Republicans.

Is it climate change or global warming? How science and a secret memo shaped the answer

By Jen Christensen, CNN
Updated 1423 GMT (2223 HKT) March 2, 2019


It’s complicated

The term ‘global warming’ confuses people because it triggers thoughts about warmth, and it sort of lends itself to misinterpretation when it also impacts the cold,” said Mike Hulme, a professor of human geography at the University of Cambridge whose work focuses on the way climate change is discussed in public and political conversations.



“You could think of global warming as the large macroperspective phenomenon,” said Naomi Oreskes, a professor of the history of science and an affiliated professor of Earth and planetary sciences at Harvard University who focuses on climate change. “Climate is more complicated.”The term ‘global warming’ also doesn’t get at how it impacts weather locally and regionally.”

In 2002, GOP strategist Frank Luntz sent a memo to Republican candidates to create an environmental strategy. He argued that the environment is “probably the single issue on which Republicans in general — and President George W. Bush in particular — are most vulnerable.”

The memo suggests that candidates express their “sincerity and concern” about the environment, but he also wanted them to downplay concerns.

So, which is it?


When people ask Yale’s Leiserowitz whether it’s climate change or global warming, he tells them he uses both. 

“The key thing about terms like this is, they are plastic. Or, well, maybe since we are talking about the environment, we should say words are renewable organic latex or something,” Leiserowitz joked. “Essentially, meaning changes.”

Read more: https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/02/world/global-warming-climate-change-language-scn/index.html

The CNN article left out another interesting memo from Climategate, in which the climate scientists themselves discussed the marketing advantages of switching from using “Global Warming” to “Climate Change”;


date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 10:53:26 -0000
from: “Bo Kjellen” [redacted]
subject: RE: FWD: Abrupt Climate Change
to: “‘Asher Minns'” [redacted], [redacted], [redacted]

Dear Asher, and all,

I think this is a real problem, and I agree with Nick that climate change might be a better labelling than global warming. But somehow I also feel that one needs to add the dimension of the earth system, and the fact that human beings for the first time ever are able to impact on that system. That is why the IGBP in a recent publication “Global Change and the Earth System” underline that we now live in the anthropocene period. Climate change is one of the central elements of this process, but not the only one: loss of biological diversity, water stress, land degradation with loss of topsoil, etc etc all form part of this – and they are all linked in some way or another. Therefore a central message probably has to be that humans are now interfering with extremely large and heavy global systems, of which we know relatively little: we are in a totally new situation for the human species, and our impact added to all the natural variations that exist risks to unsettle subtle balances and create tensions within the systems which might also lead to “flip-over” effects with short-term consequences that might be very dangerous.

Climategate Email 4141.txt

It is possible that when climate scientists wrote the 2004 Climategate email they were worried that the abrupt drop in temperatures since 1998 would continue.

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Charles Higley
March 2, 2019 6:04 pm

“”The term ‘global warming’ also doesn’t get at how it impacts weather locally and regionally.”

Anybody who does not think that this mean “generally warmer” is functionally an idiot.

MarkW
Reply to  Charles Higley
March 2, 2019 6:45 pm

“functional idiot”

That would cover the vast majority of alarmists.

Greg
Reply to  MarkW
March 3, 2019 1:55 am

functional idiot Prof Mike Hulme

“The term ‘global warming’ confuses people because it triggers thoughts about warmth,

Well if the warmth is not the problem, we can dismiss both the 2 degree and 1.5 degree targets, strop trying to destroy our way of life and attend to the REAL problem of society. Thanks for pointing that out.

Kenji
Reply to  Greg
March 3, 2019 7:43 am

… that exist risks to unsettle subtle balances and create tensions within the systems …

Thank you, Prof. Plum … for reminding us that prior to human industrialization, the earth was in perfect balance … tension-free … and superbly balanced. Good to know.

Your PhD is in WHAT, again ?

Joel Snider
Reply to  Greg
March 4, 2019 10:56 am

One of the ‘real’ problems of society IS the people that are trying to destroy our way of life by exploiting this fraud.

Henning Nielsen
Reply to  MarkW
March 3, 2019 2:46 am

Or: “Dysfunctional dude”?

commieBob
Reply to  Charles Higley
March 2, 2019 6:46 pm

Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people. link

Calling it climate change means they can claim that literally anything is caused by CO2.

Donald Kasper
Reply to  commieBob
March 2, 2019 7:21 pm

Being fed shit from a small clique of climate scientists has nothing to do with the intelligence of the American people.

nw sage
Reply to  Donald Kasper
March 2, 2019 7:55 pm

I’m also pretty sure intelligence is not related in any way to the way they vote either.

Schitzree
Reply to  nw sage
March 2, 2019 9:56 pm

Very true, nw. Intelligence isn’t the determining factor in voting.

Gullibility is. The more gullible a voter is, the more likely to believe the nonsense, scare tactics, and outright lies of the Leftists.

~¿~

Greg
Reply to  nw sage
March 3, 2019 1:40 am

…. or the Rightists ?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  nw sage
March 3, 2019 3:55 am

“or the Rightists ?”

Examples?

Jay
Reply to  nw sage
March 3, 2019 6:37 am

Tom – weapons of mass destruction.

Johann Wundersamer
Reply to  nw sage
March 3, 2019 9:06 am

Greg March 3, 2019 at 1:40 am
…. or the Rightists ?

Tom Abbott March 3, 2019 at 3:55 am
“or the Rightists ?”

Examples?

Jay March 3, 2019 at 6:37 am
Tom – weapons of mass destruction.
____________________________________

Jay, Greg obviously ain’t qualified as “weapon of mass destruction.”

MarkW
Reply to  nw sage
March 3, 2019 12:08 pm

Weapons of mass destruction were found. As were mothballed programs ready to be activated again as soon as the leftists could get the restrictions removed.

Craig from Oz
Reply to  nw sage
March 3, 2019 6:45 pm

The problem with the entire ‘Weapons of Mass Destruction’ argument is that not only was it shown that the Iraq government was actually willing and able to produce and use chemical weapons, but that the extension of the ‘Weapons Not Found’ argument implies that a nation actually needs some sort of permission to goto war and hence the Iraq War was somehow ‘illegal’.

Sorry kids but home truth time. You do not need ‘permission’ to start a war, you just need the political will to see it through internally and a strong belief that you can survive the geo-political consequences.

For example there is literally nothing to stop Australia deciding to invade New Zealand. We don’t need to walk up to the UN like Oliver Twist with his swill bowl and beg for the time of day, we just need to turn up with HMAS Canberra and Adelaide, fly over a few times mocking their complete lack of an actually air FORCE and we are proud new owners of several million sheep and a hobbit theme park by Friday lunch time.

The problems we would face is the Australian public would be a bit upset, not because we actually like New Zealanders, but more that we need to maintain a decent number of Test playing nations that our cricket team can actually beat. No more independent NZ = One spot closer to the bottom of the international rankings.

We would also need to consider how the rest of the world would see this act. Some of them might be a tad upset, especially the LotR fans. We might have to deal with an international ban on all Australian movies, but considering the state of the Australian movie industry that is a bit of an idle threat.

A bigger threat would be if there was a ban on exporting to Australia. Having destroyed our own car industry a blockade on new cars would go down extremely poorly with the public, but a more critical issue would be a blockade on fuel. Lacking the industry to refine fuel in useful quantities ourselves a diesel embargo would bring Australia to its knees in about 2 months.

These are the points. Legal or illegal are moot points because you do not technically need permission. Practically you need to know if your country can handle the protests on the international stage and need to understand just how your export/import markets work. If you feel your export power gives you more leverage than another nations sales to you then you may feel that you can just bully your way past all that guff – “Embargo on oil you say? Well no more boomerangs for YOU!”

The point? There are no illegal or even legal wars because there is no planet wide law. There are international treaties and international repercussions you must be prepared to deal with as well as the internal opinions of your own population, but the legality of a war only exists in the minds of people willing to support or oppose it.

DM
Reply to  Donald Kasper
March 3, 2019 4:14 am

That small clique of climate fantasists plus the main stream media bear blame for so many people around the world being mislead–and thereby ignorant–about climate.

billtoo
Reply to  Donald Kasper
March 3, 2019 5:58 am

this is exactly the case. considering the vast array of institutions pushing this garbage it is amazing there are any skeptics at all. If we can keep ourselves from being lynched before the mercury turns, it will be imperative that we separate the gullible from those who knew the truth, but pushed the lie anyway.

Bill Powers
Reply to  billtoo
March 4, 2019 4:34 am

A very important distinction and well put. During the separation process we should put capital Punishment back on the table for those who benefited financially for knowingly pushing the lies.

Philo
Reply to  Donald Kasper
March 3, 2019 11:45 am

It also shows the ginormous(Huge Enormous) egos these twerps have. These folks have to remember that being above the mean in intelligence, and most of them are, does not mean you are a more functional, more astute, more ethical, more helpful, more honest, or more anything. It simply means that orderly, logical, linear thinking is more comfortable and makes them more prone to make mistakes about their overall value to the world, in the big scheme of things.

KaliforniaKook
Reply to  Donald Kasper
March 4, 2019 11:17 am

Fly-over country is not fooled that much. I come from farmer stock. Being a retired aerospace engineer with a physics degree, my friends and relatives from that area keep checking to see if I’ve been taken in by AGW. Farmers live by the weather. When I was a kid, we were all going to die because of global cooling. When my parents and their siblings were young, we were all going to die because of global warming. When my grandparents were young, we were all going to die of global cooling.
They never fell for it. Neither can I.

Ken
Reply to  Charles Higley
March 2, 2019 10:05 pm

Oreskes made me a fan in her Ted talk in which she trashed the scientific method. Since that talk I have really enjoyed reading her carefully crafted comments. She has an ability to analyze and explain the science that is truly unparalleled.

Hivemind
Reply to  Ken
March 2, 2019 11:41 pm

Did you, perhaps, forget the tag?

Hivemind
Reply to  Hivemind
March 2, 2019 11:42 pm

sarc tag. HTML disappears things that look like they should be HTML.

commieBob
Reply to  Hivemind
March 3, 2019 9:27 am

She has an ability to analyze and explain the science that is truly unparalleled.

Absolutely correct. It’s not a compliment.

MarkW
Reply to  Hivemind
March 3, 2019 12:10 pm

I thought the part about trashing the scientific method was a dead give away.

Reply to  Charles Higley
March 2, 2019 10:51 pm

I wonder how much the sea level will rise as we experience global warming cooling?

Cheers

Roger

Reply to  Roger
March 3, 2019 11:37 am

That will bring up a new danger.
“Ice bergs are getting taller!!”

Garland Lowe
March 2, 2019 6:12 pm

global warming also causes global cooling.
And they wonder why there are so many skeptics.

Curious George
Reply to  Garland Lowe
March 2, 2019 6:22 pm

Aren’t words being redefined continuously? Examples: “marriage”, “free speech”, “gender”, “equal opportunity”.

Eric Elsam
Reply to  Curious George
March 2, 2019 7:28 pm

“War is Peace”
“Freedom is Slavery”
“Ignorance is Strength”

The last is the overt purpose of modern Progressive education.

Ken
Reply to  Eric Elsam
March 2, 2019 10:06 pm

+10

Duane
Reply to  Eric Elsam
March 3, 2019 5:31 am

“I’ll build the wall… and make Mexico pay for it!”

“I’m the world’s greatest dealmaker”

“Kim is a great leader of his people”

“Vladimir Putin told me he had nothing to do with the 2016 elections, so I believe him.”

“Kim, my great friend, told me he had nothing to do with Otto Warmbier’s maltreatment in his prisons, and I believe him.”

“My inauguration crowd was the biggest in history!”

“I never had any knowledge of payoffs to the women I screwed while being married to Melania”

“I have NO business dealings in Russia!”

And on and on and on, about 9,000 times and counting since January 20, 2017.

On the scale of 1 through 10 on gullibility, I’d put the entire Republican Party at about 100.

hiskorr
Reply to  Duane
March 3, 2019 6:29 am

Can you point to any of those (or the other “9,000”) that impacted the life of average Americans as much as “If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. If you like your insurance you can keep your insurance.”

Ty Hallsted
Reply to  Duane
March 3, 2019 6:54 am

Yes – he is a bit full of himself, tends to exaggerate and does like to boast.

But which of his 9000+ “false claims” fall into the “he has a 10′ wall surrounding his home” (when it was only 8′) category? Which have been outright lies to pass policy comparable to “If you like your insurance you can keep your insurance”? Which have wasted anywhere near the multiple billions channeled into the AGW gravy train?

When viewed in terms of policy and spending implications, Trump’s boasts mostly lack any serious downside other than keeping the media spinning in circles documenting them and reporting them all. Which isn’t a downside at all.

Reply to  Duane
March 3, 2019 6:59 am

How about:

I will bring manufacturing jobs back to America! (done)
What do blacks have to lose in voting for me! (lowest unemployment ever)
I will bring our troops home from the Middle East! (in process)
I will destroy ISIS! (almost complete)
I will renegotiate NAFTA and bring jobs back! (done)
I will renegotiate tariffs with China! (almost done)
I will cut taxes and regulations! (done)
I will bring back growth again! (done)
I will get rid of the individual mandate! (done)

Not a single Democrat believed Trump would get any of this done. They were blind. That’s worse than being gullible!

Clay Sanborn
Reply to  Duane
March 3, 2019 11:56 am

When the wall is built, Mexico will, in effect, virtually pay for it when the flow of money sent to Mexico by illegals in the US is greatly diminished; instead, the money will stay in the US.

MarkW
Reply to  Duane
March 3, 2019 12:13 pm

Fascinating how leftists only consider broken campaign promises a sin when the other side breaks them. Nor do they consider their own role in making some campaign promises impossible to keep.
It’s almost as if they actually believe the president is a dictator, able to do anything he wants.

Reply to  Duane
March 6, 2019 11:32 am

You guys dodged a bullet. Here in the UK we have Hilarity’s best bud running things … Orange man not perfect but least worst option.

MarkW
Reply to  Garland Lowe
March 2, 2019 6:46 pm

It also covers both flood and drought. Both more storms and fewer storms.
Pretty much whatever happens, global warming covers it.

Graemethecat
Reply to  MarkW
March 3, 2019 12:25 am

According to the Guardian, Climate Change will simultaneously cause a plague of peste such as mosquitoes AND the extinction of a quarter of the insect species of the Earth.

Thomas Merchant
Reply to  Pop Piasa
March 3, 2019 1:47 pm

And in 2030: Why Temperature Sensors Don’t Capture Climate Change’s Hotter Weather.

Walt D.
Reply to  Garland Lowe
March 2, 2019 7:05 pm

DoubleTalk and DoubleThink overcome the problem.

Donald Kasper
Reply to  Garland Lowe
March 2, 2019 7:22 pm

My take on climate alarmism promoters.
If you cannot predict anything accurately, it is same to presume you don’t know what is going on. Since you don’t know what is going on, I am not listening to you.

Donald Kasper
Reply to  Garland Lowe
March 2, 2019 7:23 pm

We have the right to judge the value of climate prognostications based on past success. And since there is no past success, it would seem that only a stupid person would likest to those prognosticators. Sort of like how you think a ball player will do at bat given hist past five year record.

March 2, 2019 6:13 pm

The only defined mechanism by which CO2 can affect climate change is through the thermalization of LWIR between 13 and 18µ. That is the only defined mechanism, and it is called the Greenhouse Gas Effect. CO2 can only warm. There is no mechanism by which “trapping” heat could lead to cooling. There has also never been a time in history when the climate wasn’t changing. Change is the normal state for the Climate.

Hockeystick Con Job; CO2 Can’t Cause Temperature Dog-Legs
https://co2islife.wordpress.com/2019/03/02/hockeystick-con-job-co2-cant-cause-temperature-dog-legs/

David Dirkse
Reply to  CO2isLife
March 2, 2019 6:18 pm

“The only defined mechanism by which CO2 can affect climate change is through the thermalization of LWIR between 13 and 18µ.”

WRONG

The absorption and re-emission of LWIR towards the surface has the net effect of retarding the rate at which LWIR escapes to space.

Please learn about radiative physics before making a fool of yourself.

Reply to  David Dirkse
March 2, 2019 6:45 pm

“The absorption and re-emission of LWIR towards the surface has the net effect of retarding the rate at which LWIR escapes to space.”

Newsflash, LWIR has 0.00°K Temperature. That is why it can travel through the very cold outer space. The only way temperature is impacted is through the conversion of very very cold EM radiation into thermal radiation. Visible radiation passes through CO2 without causing any warming, yet it will warm the surface of the earth. Delaying the loss of LWIR doesn’t do anything until that LWIR is changed in form to thermal energy which BTW is what happens 99.9999999% of the time a photon is absorbed. You can’t absorb and thermalize more than 100% of the energy, so once again, the only mechanism by which CO2 can affect climate change is through warming.

David Dirkse
Reply to  CO2isLife
March 2, 2019 7:06 pm

CO2isLife does not understand the meaning of the term “net.”

Lets assume the surface emits 10 watts/sq meter of LWIR.

The atmosphere absorbs 2 watts/sq meter of this LWIR.
..
When the CO2 molecule re-emits this LWIR, half of it goes to space, and half of it goes back to the surface.

The NET amount exiting to space is 9 watts/sq meter, with 1 watt/sq meter being sent back to the surface.

Simple arithmetic.

MarkW: 10-1=9, thermalization is not involved.

Pamela Gray
Reply to  David Dirkse
March 2, 2019 9:43 pm

Does it not emit in all directions? With reabsorption of LWIR into neighboring CO2 molecules, etc? This half up, half down seems overly simplified.

Reply to  David Dirkse
March 3, 2019 12:59 am

“CO2isLife does not understand the meaning of the term “net.”

David,
‘ NET’
is a collection of holes losely tied together with string

Just like AGW theory

tty
Reply to  David Dirkse
March 3, 2019 1:51 am

“The atmosphere absorbs 2 watts/sq meter of this LWIR.”

Which is done through thermalization.

Please learn about radiative physics before making a fool of yourself.

Reply to  David Dirkse
March 3, 2019 3:25 am

Thanks for clarifying that for me David.

1) CO2 doesn’t absorb and reabsorb LWIR to any significant amount. That is explained here. Filling in the Missing Pieces https://co2islife.wordpress.com/2019/02/12/filling-in-the-missing-pieces/

2) H2O and CO2 absorb the same LWIR wavelengths, and H2O saturates the effect in the troposphere. 400 ppm is irrelevant to the NET output because H2O which can be as high as 4 parts per 100 easily captures 100% of those wavelengths. Simply use MODTRAN with the settings set to looking up into the 0.1 km of surface atmosphere.

3) Where CO2 does become important is the stratosphere where radiation does dominate, and the effect of CO2 is to COOL the stratosphere by speeding the transfer of LWIR OUT OF the Atmosphere for a NET (-) effect of temperature. https://co2islife.wordpress.com/2017/01/29/climate-science-on-trial-evidence-shows-co2-cools-the-atmosphere/

4) Conduction and convection dominate the heat transfer in the troposphere, not radiation. Radiation travels at the speed of light, so even slowing it down a fraction doesn’t materially change anything.

5) Thermalized CO2 doesn’t re-emit LWIR, it transfers that energy as kinetic energy to another molecule most likely other than CO2, i.e. N2 or O2 or H2O.

icisil
Reply to  David Dirkse
March 3, 2019 4:47 am

“5) Thermalized CO2 doesn’t re-emit LWIR, it transfers that energy as kinetic energy to another molecule most likely other than CO2, i.e. N2 or O2 or H2O.”

While we’re on the subject, does anyone know the IR fluxes of N2, O2 and CO2 (as pure gases)? The values I have are 0.001, 0.018 and 0.134 (W/m^2), but don’t know if they’re right.

Reply to  David Dirkse
March 3, 2019 7:07 am

What happens to that 1 watt/sq meter when it hits the surface? Does it warm the surface?

What then happens at the surface? Does that warmth get conducted into the atmosphere where it can then be radiated to space? How then does it actually warm the Earth over the long term? It would seem it would just increase the thermal flow rate back toward space.

Does some of that 1 watt/sq meter the surface of the Earth receives warm the surface of the Earth. Doesn’t the Stefan-Boltzmann equation then tell us that it will increase the rate of energy radiation from the surface?

Seems to me the net should be Zero.

Joseph Campbell
Reply to  David Dirkse
March 3, 2019 7:16 am

David: “When the CO2 molecule re-emits this LWIR, half of it goes to space, and half of it goes back to the surface.”

Net downward only if the atmosphere is warmer than the surface. There is no population inversion in the atmospheric CO2…

Reply to  David Dirkse
March 3, 2019 7:27 am

Right Pamela particularly when the down surface is also curved.

Reply to  David Dirkse
March 3, 2019 8:24 am

David D, that isn’t correct. The CO2 in the atmosphere is at the same temperature as the Nitrogen and oxygen by “thermalization”. CO2, H2O, and O3 emit IR, giving the sky a temperature when viewed by an infrared thermometer, while O2 and N2 are transparent and would only show the temperature of outer space on your infrared thermometer. Thermalization has everything to do with it.

Michael Jankowski
Reply to  David Dirkse
March 3, 2019 9:03 am

“…has the net effect of retarding…”

Yes you do.

MarkW
Reply to  David Dirkse
March 4, 2019 7:24 am

Apparently David doesn’t know what thermalization is.

A C Osborn
Reply to  CO2isLife
March 3, 2019 6:05 am

Intersting question, they are much lower than H2O & CO2, so as they thermalise via Convection and Conduction from collisions with excited molecules, but radiate so little, aren’t they the actual Greenhouse Gases slowing the race to space?

MarkW
Reply to  David Dirkse
March 2, 2019 6:47 pm

David, David, David.
There you go making a fool of yourself again.
Please look up what thermalization means. Then apologize to the class.

Javert Chip
Reply to  David Dirkse
March 2, 2019 7:01 pm

David Dirkse

I dunno, David:

CO2 absorbs & re-emits LWIR photons pretty quickly as they enter the atmosphere (essentially none go from the top of the atmosphere to ground-level without several absorption/reemissions). Each of the many absorption/re-reemissions have an equal probability of being re-emitted in any direction (including “up”; ie: no propensity for “down”).

I don’t know CO2’s latency, but LWIR photons don’t travel very far in (especially denser) atmosphere before being absorbed.

Probably ought to be a little more specific (and lass ad hominem) before you run around calling people fools. It just looks bad.

David Dirkse
Reply to  Javert Chip
March 2, 2019 7:20 pm

Are you saying emission happens faster than thermalization?

icisil
Reply to  David Dirkse
March 3, 2019 5:03 am

And is he saying that CO2 emissions are only at 13 and 18µ, which is (basically) only what other CO2 can absorb?

icisil
Reply to  David Dirkse
March 3, 2019 5:54 am

Really I think CO2’s effective absorption band is much narrower (than 13-18 microns) at 15 microns.

WBWilson
Reply to  David Dirkse
March 3, 2019 6:09 pm

There you go again, David. Here’s a paper for your consideration:

https://digitalcommons.conncoll.edu/physicsfacpub/1/?utm_source=digitalcommons.conncoll.edu%2Fphysicsfacpub%2F1&utm_medium=PDF&utm_campaign=PDFCoverPages

Titled: The Greenhouse Effect at the Molecular Level, by Michael Monce.

Please try and educate yourself. It’s not too late.

A C Osborn
Reply to  David Dirkse
March 4, 2019 6:50 am

WBWilson, that is a novel way to go about the calaculation of the Greenhouse effect.
However I am shocked to find that the Author Micheal Monce made a really bad error in his calculations.
In the calculation for Earth to Atmosphere Radiation affect he uses the Surface as 289K and the Atmosphere at 287K used by Petty in the Boltzman calculation, however where CO2 is dominant in the 15 Micron Band the Atmospheric temp is 223K not 287K.

Editor
Reply to  David Dirkse
March 2, 2019 8:03 pm

The absorption and re-emission of LWIR towards the surface has the net effect of retarding the rate at which LWIR escapes to space.“.

OK. So LWIR is absorbed (by CO2), and then LWIR is emitted. In the interim (possibly extremely short) period, there must be a change to the CO2. That’s because, if there’s no change, then its rate of LWIR emission wouldn’t change. So what is the nature of the change to the CO2 … thermalisation perhaps?

David Dirkse
Reply to  Mike Jonas
March 2, 2019 8:12 pm

Jonas, if the photon emitted from the surface strikes a CO2 molecule and is thermalized, then the photon did NOT escape into space.

This thermalized photon contributes to the warming of the planet. Had that photon escaped, and not have been thermalized, then it would not have contributed to the warming.
….
Any outbound photon that doesn’t make it out into space contributes to the warming of our planet.

Matthew Drobnick
Reply to  David Dirkse
March 2, 2019 9:10 pm

So that’s how co2 causes global warming which causes the cooling. Got it, thanks.

Shucks, what would we do without you climate clergy to set us straight?

Schitzree
Reply to  David Dirkse
March 2, 2019 10:14 pm

There is one thing I’ve never understood about all this. Can’t CO2 also gain thermal energy by colliding with other molecules that are warmer then it? And wouldn’t that warmed CO2 molecule have an equal probability to radiate a photon, half the time up and out to space?

We know large amounts of thermal energy are carried up by convection. We call some of this ‘weather’. More CO2 in the atmosphere should provide more chances for this thermal energy to be converted into photons that can escape into space, cooling the Earth.

Right? ~¿~

tty
Reply to  David Dirkse
March 3, 2019 2:01 am

What actually happens is that more CO2 means that slightly more LWIR is thermalized in the lower atmosphere. Instead of radiating directly into space this extra heat is convected to a higher altitude before radiating away. With more CO2 it has to be convected to a slightly higher altitude first. The extra energy needed for this is the net warming caused by the CO2. Note that convection is the main mechanism for transporting heat away from the surface, considerably more important than radiation.

This is never ever emphasized since climate models can’t model convection. It is “parameterized” instead.

A C Osborn
Reply to  David Dirkse
March 3, 2019 3:08 am

Mr Dirkse, as the font of all knowledge perhaps you can explain some things to us plebs.
1. How long does the CO2 thermalised Photon contribute to the warming before it gets re-emitted?
2. At what height does this CO2 “thermalising” in the 15-18 micron band take place?
3. At what temperature does it take place?
4. How much power (Electron Volts) does a CO2 photon at that height have?
5. How long does it take for the CO2 molecule to re-emit the photon?
6. How long does it take for the Thermalised CO2 molecule to loose it’s energy from a collision with another gas Molecule?
7. What is the Mean Path Length of an IR Photon?
8. What is the percentage of LWIR that actually gets intercepted by a CO2 molecule in the 15-18 micron band?
9 What is the percentage of of the total gases are 15-18 micron CO2 molecules at the altitude where the thermalisation takes place?

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  David Dirkse
March 3, 2019 7:52 am

David Dirkse – March 2, 2019 at 8:12 pm

Had that photon escaped, and not have been thermalized, then it would not have contributed to the warming.

David D, a photon cannot be “thermalized” and photons cannot be prevented from “escaping”.

It is the gas molecules that are resident in a specific quantity of atmospheric gasses that are “thermalized”. To wit:

In physics, thermalization is the process of physical bodies reaching thermal equilibrium through mutual interaction.

“DUH”, the aforesaid “mutual interaction” refers to thermal energy transfers back n’ forth between gas molecules.

A C Osborn
Reply to  David Dirkse
March 3, 2019 8:44 am

tty, “With more CO2 it has to be convected to a slightly higher altitude first.”.
But with more CO2 in the upper atmosphere also it radiates the energy away quicker.
As shown by the Satellite data.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  David Dirkse
March 3, 2019 11:30 am

A C Osborn, the Satellite data does not and CANNOT prove that there is more CO2 in the upper atmosphere BECAUSE sensors on the satellite CAN’T “see” CO2 molecules in the atmosphere.

The satellite sensors can only “see” (detect) the IR radiation and the direction from which it is being radiated, …… and the sensors can’t determine how far away the source was or whether or not the earth’s surface was doing said radiating of said IR.

tty
Reply to  David Dirkse
March 3, 2019 12:36 pm

“But with more CO2 in the upper atmosphere also it radiates the energy away quicker.
As shown by the Satellite data.”

True, but this only partially counters the GHG effect. It is only in the center of the absorption band that the LWIR is radiated away above the tropopause:

http://lasp.colorado.edu/~bagenal/3720/CLASS5/EarthBB.jpg

The “peak” in the middle of the CO2 absorption band around 15 mym is due to radiation from the stratosphere and this will grow with increasing CO2, but it will only partially offset the lowered radiation temperature in the “shoulders”.

A C Osborn
Reply to  David Dirkse
March 4, 2019 6:57 am

Mr Cogan, I did not say the Satellites measure the CO2, just the Radiation form the Earth’s Thermosphere as measured by the SABER Instruments.
I will let you argue with the guy from NASA about how, see the AGU 13 presentation starting at about 14 minutes here

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  David Dirkse
March 4, 2019 1:14 pm

Mr Ozburn, what next are you going to tell me, ….. that it wasn’t really you that submitted this post.

A C Osborn
Reply to  David Dirkse
March 5, 2019 8:49 am

Do you have reading difficulties?
it radiates the energy away quicker.
As shown by the Satellite data.

ie More Co2 in the Atmospere means in the WHOLE Atmosphere, you do not need Satellites to tell you that, but you do to measure the Radiation.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  David Dirkse
March 5, 2019 9:30 am

blockquote>“ it (CO2) radiates the energy away quicker.
As shown by the Satellite data.

OH MY, MY, ….. Osborn, …. you are the 1st one that I know of that thinks that …. “increases in atmospheric CO2 causes global cooling” …….. instead of global warming.

And ps, ACO, …… you still haven’t told me how that satellite “knows” that it is CO2 that is doing the “quicker” emitting of the IR.

Give it up, AOC.

A C Osborn
Reply to  David Dirkse
March 6, 2019 1:38 am

Because their are no other LWIR emitters in that area of the Atmosphere.
I showed you the NASA presentation, so why are you arguing with me?
Go and argue with the Guy from NASA who obviously lied to the AGU back in 2013.

Greg
Reply to  Mike Jonas
March 3, 2019 1:51 am

Jonas, if the photon emitted from …


Learn some civility Dirkse !

Thanks for the pointless, pedantic argument. You have really helped “the cause”.

Reply to  Greg
March 3, 2019 9:49 pm

I didn’t see any incivility, compared to the way people address him.

Neo
Reply to  CO2isLife
March 2, 2019 6:32 pm

Likewise, all the models show global warming.
Anybody with a global cooling model was defunded a long time ago.

Walter Sobchak
Reply to  Neo
March 2, 2019 8:13 pm

more to the point.

Charles Higley
March 2, 2019 6:13 pm

An interesting item buried in the text is the loss of topsoil. It has be well established what the nutrient requirements of plants are. The concept that the rich black humus-rich topsoil is needed to grow vibrant plants is long gone.

It should also be pointed out that we were taught that it took something like 10,000 years to form each inch of topsoil, but my lawn exceeds its boundaries in depth by that much in ten years. Clearly, there was no topsoil in Canada at the end of the most recent glacial period, yet they can grow amazing crops and huge crop yields from time-limited nonexistent topsoils. Amazing.

The fun and interesting observation can be made that one can do what ever they want in Canada, as its clock will be totally cleaned during the next glacial period. How much fun to start with a clean slate every 100K years.

R Shearer
Reply to  Charles Higley
March 2, 2019 6:18 pm

I think most peat also formed within the past 12,000 years.

tty
Reply to  R Shearer
March 3, 2019 2:12 am

All of it in formerly glaciated areas. It is rare to find peat from earlier interglacials there, it was essentally all bulldozed away.

And actually areas with old soils are usually infertile since nutrients have long been weathered away. The best agricultural areas have young nutrient-rich soils, like windblown loess from the last ice age (e. g. the Midwest, Central Europe, Ukraine, Northern China), freshly eroded sediment from mountains upriver (Mississipi Valley, northern India, Mekong Valley, Yangtse Valley) or recently erupted and weathered volcanic rocks (e. g. Indonesia, Japan, New Guinea)

R Shearer
Reply to  tty
March 3, 2019 6:49 am

I recently learned of peat deposits in Southern New Mexico. I believe these may be older than most peats today as they are covered by non-glacial sediments. Nevertheless, some deposits are being mined commercially there surprisingly.

tty
Reply to  R Shearer
March 3, 2019 12:40 pm

There are extensive tropical peat deposits in e. g. Borneo, and peat deposits south of the glaciated areas can indeed be older than the last glaciation. The deposits at Tenaghi Philippon in Greece for example go back to the Pliocene.

There is really no sharp border between peat and brown coal. Brown Coal is just more compacted. The youngest coal deposits are younger than the oldest peat deposits.

Steve Reddish
Reply to  tty
March 3, 2019 4:48 pm

For the flip side of your point, can you point me to old, less fertile soils whose low fertility isn’t due to low moisture or monoculture farming practices having depleted the soil? I can only think of areas that have too much salt or large grained, course sand.

Adam Gallon
Reply to  Charles Higley
March 3, 2019 12:46 am

There’d be plenty of ground up rocks, covering Canada. It just needed organic matter to produce soil.

tty
Reply to  Adam Gallon
March 3, 2019 2:17 am

The best of that ground-up soil (the finest materials) was blown south and ended up forming the loessic soils of the Midwest.

The areas actually covered by the ice are usually not that good for farming (rocky, thin soils), but the areas outside the actual ice are among the best in the World (Midwest, Central Europe, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Northern China, Northern Argentina)

Ralph Knapp
March 2, 2019 6:14 pm

As an iconic cartoon rabbit once said, “What a bunch of moroons,”

R Shearer
March 2, 2019 6:15 pm

Change is the new stasis and “flip-over effect” might be better labelling than giving it to you in the rear.

Ralph Knapp
March 2, 2019 6:20 pm

I quote an iconic cartoon bunny who said, “What a bunch of moroons” It fits the warmist crowd perfectly.

March 2, 2019 6:22 pm

I hit a brick wall with the CNN article’s extract second sentence that contains this gem:
“. . . said Mike Hulme, a professor of human geography at the University of Cambridge . . . ”

Human geography? Is that anything like butterfly mathematics . . . fish astronomy . . . salamander particle physics . . .?

noaaprogrammer
Reply to  Gordon Dressler
March 2, 2019 6:36 pm

… Human Geography … you know — curves, valleys, protrusions, pits, mounds, etc.

Chris Hanley
Reply to  Gordon Dressler
March 2, 2019 6:43 pm

Human geography:
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Reply to  Chris Hanley
March 2, 2019 7:02 pm

Ahhh . . . so you do have some skin in this game, I see.

nw sage
Reply to  Chris Hanley
March 2, 2019 8:06 pm

Chris: Now I understand. For a moment I thought Human Geography was something about the study of the effects of humans on geography. Kind of like the islands the Chinese are making in the South China Sea. I couldn’t figure out why the University of Cambridge (which I have actually heard of) was interested enough in such things to hire a professor to actually teach the subject.
It would be fascinating to find out if someone in that department really thinks humans can move whole mountains, or just small hills.

Patrick healy
Reply to  Chris Hanley
March 3, 2019 12:19 am

No Canary islands Azores or the biggest of all Antarctic – or has it melted already and swallowed up the islands?

tty
Reply to  Chris Hanley
March 3, 2019 2:19 am

A Mercator man apparently.

Farmer Ch E retired
Reply to  Gordon Dressler
March 2, 2019 7:39 pm

It’s like a professional climate explainer.

Steven Fraser
Reply to  Gordon Dressler
March 2, 2019 7:57 pm

Architectural Dance…

Steve Reddish
Reply to  Gordon Dressler
March 2, 2019 9:46 pm

Geography has as its first meaning: “the study of the physical features of the earth and its atmosphere, and of human activity as it affects and is affected by these, including the distribution of populations and resources, land use, and industries.”
Therefore “Human Geography” is a redundancy. Any one who has to tell you twice who they are is trying too hard. They feel the need to try to impress.

SR

Schitzree
Reply to  Steve Reddish
March 2, 2019 10:34 pm

They should rename it ‘Human Geography Science’, So all the students know it’s a grant troughing course and not true research. Wouldn’t want them to steer clear of it thinking it’s one of those courses that might lead into the private sector, where people expect results.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4394VCS7POE

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Reply to  Steve Reddish
March 3, 2019 12:01 am

Tautology
noun
the saying of the same thing twice over in different words, generally considered to be a fault of style (e.g. they arrived one after the other in succession ).
synonyms:

tty
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
March 3, 2019 2:20 am

H L Menckens classic example of a tautology:

“ignorant politician”

Reply to  Gordon Dressler
March 3, 2019 2:44 am

It seems there are more and more of such sort of jobs :

Climate cartoonist, data poet, bullshit master chef, physics conjuror, gibberish mathematician …

Rich Davis
Reply to  Gordon Dressler
March 3, 2019 6:04 am

No, silly. Haven’t you ever studied a broad?

tty
Reply to  Rich Davis
March 3, 2019 12:45 pm

Studying the Norfolk Broads is ordinary Geography:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Broads

Ddoing the same for the female variety would presumably be Human Geography.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Gordon Dressler
March 3, 2019 8:14 am

Human geography?

If you have the money to pay for your tuition, ……. they will “sell” you a Degree in whatever you chose to call your “course of study”.

They are government subsidized non-profit “money making” businesses.

March 2, 2019 6:25 pm

In Shakespeare’s time, they had so many executions that the monarchy created the position of “the keeper of the heads.”

Latitude
March 2, 2019 6:26 pm

and increase in CO2 makes it warmer….
…that’s global warming

…the rest of it is total bullcrap

March 2, 2019 6:29 pm

What’s up with showing a graph of a dataset version that didn’t exist when Global Warming was changed to Climate Change? Meanwhile, WoodForTrees shows one that did, and it’s from Ground Zero of Climategate, the Climate Research Unit of UEA, namely it’s HadCRUT3. It also shows The Pause.

Bob Vislocky
March 2, 2019 6:32 pm

[“According to CNN we should remember global warming also causes global cooling”]

Already been debunked. If this was the case then the variance of observed temperatures should be increasing. In fact just the opposite is happening.

Reply to  Bob Vislocky
March 2, 2019 8:56 pm

Climate models and observations both show (in the northern hemisphere) colder places warming more than warmer places, and not much of the opposite in the southern hemisphere. This means both models and observations indicating decreased variance, at least in the northern hemisphere. Largely true, this is in the minority of what climate models got right. True scientists successfully predicted this decrease of variance, while climate activists claim with little support that this variance increased.

Donald Kasper
Reply to  Donald L. Klipstein
March 2, 2019 10:38 pm

Extreme weather is part and parcel of climate change. Less variation is post mortem repair when that prediction hit the shitter.

Russ R.
Reply to  Donald Kasper
March 3, 2019 8:50 am

Extreme weather is part and parcel of 24/7 news coverage, and a public carrying video recorders with them everywhere they go. In addition to a larger population covering a broader area of “extreme weather” prone areas.
The weather is no more extreme than, it has been in the past. The data indicates it is less extreme. The reporting of it is an order of magnitude more “extreme”!

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Donald L. Klipstein
March 4, 2019 4:26 am

Donald L. Klipstein – March 2, 2019 at 8:56 pm

Climate models and observations both show (in the northern hemisphere) colder places warming more than warmer places,

The above is analogous to claiming that …… “The glass of water is half empty.

Thus, the above quote infers that “global, regional and/or local warming” is occurring, …… when actually it is not.

Measured “low” temps are increasing, whereas the measured ”high” temps are not.

Thus, the literal fact is, …… that “global, regional and/or local cooling” that normally occurs during night time, overcast times and winter season times has abated (become less severe) a wee bit each year, ever since the LIA ended.

But then “the pause” occurred, and the aforesaid “abatement” is now an “iffy” question.

Cheers

Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
March 4, 2019 4:36 am

+1

Dave O.
March 2, 2019 6:38 pm

The alarmists think that good marketing can overcome reality.

R Shearer
Reply to  Dave O.
March 2, 2019 6:48 pm

It only needs to make people perceive reality differently. They use marketing terms, but they’re practicing propaganda. Your point is well taken.

Another Ian
Reply to  Dave O.
March 2, 2019 9:57 pm

Like they say – you can ignore reality, but you can’t ignore the consequences of ignoring reality…”

http://joannenova.com.au/2019/03/states-with-low-cost-solar-and-wind-paying-1300-more-at-the-moment/#comment-2112321

Fits more than electricity

March 2, 2019 6:41 pm

And from the above-quoted Climategate email of Bo Kjellen to Asher Minns, et.al., 21 Feb 2004, we have this blatant admission:
“Therefore a central message probably has to be that humans are now interfering with extremely large and heavy global systems, of which we know relatively little . . .”

I don’t know why that last prepositional phrase has not been shouted from the rooftops for the truthful admission therein.

Javert Chip
Reply to  Gordon Dressler
March 2, 2019 7:04 pm

Bo obviously hasn’t gotten the “settled science” email/memo.

Tom Abbott
March 2, 2019 6:45 pm

Global Warming and Climate Change have been used interchangeably for decades. At one point it was much more GW than CC, but as time moved along it has become mostly Climate Change today.

And just to complicate things more, there is more than one definition of Climate Change. There is natural Climate Change, which has taken place since time began on the Earth, and there is Human-Caused Climate Change, of which there is no evidence it has ever taken place on Earth.

Ninety-nine percent of the time today, when you hear “Climate Change” they are talking about human-caused climate change, which is also referred to as CAGW (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming).

As with everything associated with climate science, the labels global warming and climate change cause confusion rather than clarity. And I think the promoters of CAGW are just fine with that.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 4, 2019 7:33 am

To paraphrase a great statement, to wit:

As with everything associated with climate science, the claims of never ending “increases in average near-surface temperatures” …….. cause confusion rather than clarity.

The proponents of AGW/CAGW have credited the Holocene Interglacial “warming” as being responsible for all increases in average near-surface temperatures up to the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, …… at which time the aforesaid proponents of AGW/CAGW “highjacked” all further increases in near-surface temperatures and credited said “warming” to human emissions of CO2 into the atmosphere.

It’s AMAZING …… that so many educated people actually believe that ….. all interglacial warming abruptly terminated at the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, …… simply because humans began emitting copious amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere.

Nik
March 2, 2019 6:50 pm

“The key thing about terms like this is, they are plastic.”

No. That the terms are plastic is the key advantage, especially when your aim is to obfuscate, bamboozle, and stampede people into surrendering their rights and their wallets to totalitarians.

Reply to  Nik
March 2, 2019 7:11 pm

“ The great enemy of clear language is insincerity.”

George Orwell

March 2, 2019 7:03 pm

The rebranding to “climate change” is a cynical, but insightful ploy. It subsumes that the majority of people are terribly easily fooled. The surprise to me, however, is that what otherwise seem to be smart enough people (college degrees, professionals) that don’t appear to be dishonest id*ologues are, well, stupid or blind when it comes to global warming.

It’s not that the promoters of the meme have been slick and clever. They’ve shot themselves in the foot countless times and been caught at cloak and dagger dirty tricks. They’ve been moving the goal posts, constantly adjusting data to preserve a clearly falsified hypothesis, made dire predictions (now called projections) that never pan out. Heck, in midstroke they switched from a brutal 35 year “ice age cometh”
and its all man’s fault, to the end of days planetary heat prostration, and IT is all man’s fault! Any single one of these ‘tells’ would put an end to all other charlatan enterprises, but not this one. They are busy rewriting history to deny such things as the cold scare and the “Dreaded Pause” never happened. WUWT?

Reply to  Gary Pearse
March 3, 2019 7:50 am

Gary as you noted, picking a phrase with a dual meaning is clever. Climate scientists can publish their “human driven climate change” studies of how CO2 impacts temperatures, with “proof” measured in 10ths of a degree (hottest year evah!) that no human could actually sense. From that minute evidence of change they go ahead and project future doom. Their scientific hands remain clean.

Then with or without prodding MSM and political alarmists can slide easily into the general definition of “natural climate change” without skipping a beat, and point to the most recent flood or wild fire as undeniable proof of the doom scientists are warning us about. (Knowingly or ignorantly conflating “natural” with “human caused” climate change.)

As an example, in one of 29 year old AOC’s recent rants about an “existential threat”, she observes that “we can all see that temperatures are much warmer and much colder than they used to be”. (This is the person fronting the GND!)

One would think that an honest scientist would jump on such comments and clarify that the changes they’ve identified in their studies are nowhere near that magnitude; and that, by the way. California always has had wildfires and Texas has flooded well before 1850. However……

Flight Level
March 2, 2019 7:20 pm

So far in between simulator drills, check rides, proficiency, all kind of directives and updates, there was not a single training on the effects of global warming on aviation. Other drivers wearing different colors report the same.

Not a single official safety update or training directly related to global warming impact on weather and flight conditions.

From this perspective we can safely deduce that authorities do not really have tangible evidence of whatever scaremongers they feed the public.

Further paradox: -If I import a car, I’ll have to pay a one time CO2 tax. About 500$ for a very small 1.1 liter gasoline cheap drive. And exponentially increasing for bigger displacement engines.

However eventual subscription and other attendance / lodging fees to a climate saving conference, COPxx included, would not qualify as tax deductible for private citizens.

Even more funny. Based on safety concerns, German post would refuse to ship Lithium batteries. Including the same brand and type as those powering their 3-cycles and other “zero emission” delivery vehicles.

It all seems to be a one way only deal. From our pockets to their junkets.

Gerald Machnee
March 2, 2019 7:30 pm

There is a good reason why I no longer have CNN.
10 days in Hawaii confirmed the reasons.

March 2, 2019 7:39 pm

Eric doesn’t know the difference between global warming and climate change. Maybe he could have read up on the subject before writing a post?

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  sceptical
March 3, 2019 4:10 am

Since they are both magical and mystical terms from the mouths of Warmunists, and both have the subtext of “manmade” contained within them, perhaps you would care to climatesplain the difference?
Other than the fact that “climate change” is more useful as an ideology since it can mean anything and everything.
Thought not.

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
March 3, 2019 7:09 am

Not magical or mystical. A warmer world is one part of the changing climate.

paul courtney
Reply to  sceptical
March 3, 2019 5:30 pm

What are the other parts?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  sceptical
March 3, 2019 4:39 am

“Eric doesn’t know the difference between global warming and climate change.”

What is the difference between global warming and climate change?

You need to define your terms. That’s assuming you actually want a substantive discussion.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 3, 2019 7:11 am

Eric didn’t define the terms? Does he not want a substantive discussion?

MarkW
Reply to  sceptical
March 3, 2019 12:20 pm

The terms don’t need defining. They are both in common usage.

MarkW
Reply to  sceptical
March 3, 2019 12:21 pm

First it was global warming, then when the globe didn’t co-operate, climate change become the phrase of the day.

Reply to  MarkW
March 3, 2019 2:21 pm

No, you are mistaken Mark. Climate change has been used for many decades. You are pushing fake news, Mark.

MarkW
Reply to  sceptical
March 3, 2019 3:10 pm

Used, but the primary term was Global Warming until recently.

Reply to  MarkW
March 3, 2019 3:12 pm

Nope. You are pushing false news, Mark.

MarkW
Reply to  MarkW
March 4, 2019 7:26 am

Are you related to David Dirkse?

Is just repeating the same discredited claim really the best you can do?

Buck Wheaton
March 2, 2019 7:45 pm

No matter how it is named, it still is far more about imposing socialism than about mediating any material damage to the climate.

markl
March 2, 2019 8:11 pm

Black is white. People are smart enough to figure out obfuscation when they hear it again and again.

Rod Evans
March 2, 2019 8:27 pm

CNN, attempting to sell Climate Change is caused by CO2 induced warming giving rise to global cooling.
Now that, is as fine an example of cant as you will ever come across.
Maybe CNN actually stands for Cant Nonsense Network?

March 2, 2019 8:55 pm

Why is Climate Science different?
============================

Climate science is probably the only branch of science, that doesn’t look at absolute measurements.

Climate science looks mostly at temperature anomalies.

To calculate temperature anomalies, you need to use absolute temperatures.

But Climate science then ignores the absolute temperatures, and concentrates on the temperature anomalies.

Why?

====================

I have actual absolute temperature data, for 216 countries. For each country, I have:

1) the temperature of the average coldest month (winter)

2) the temperature of the average month

3) the temperature of the average hottest month (summer)

For this article, I have sorted the data by the temperature of the average month.

====================

There are 2 other important absolute temperatures, that you should know about:

1) the average temperature of the land (averaged by area, for 216 countries), is 15.6 degrees Celsius (this is the red line on the graph)

2) the average temperature that humans live at (averaged over the total population of the Earth), is 19.7 degrees Celsius (this is the blue line on the graph)

Humans love the temperature to be warmer than the average land temperature. They choose to live in warmer places.

There is plenty of cooler land around. Humans don’t want to live on the cooler land.

But global warming will make the cooler land, warmer. It might become desirable.

Countries with a lot of “cool” land, like Russia and Canada, will probably become the next world superpowers.

I suggest that you learn to speak Russian, or Canadian.

https://agree-to-disagree.com/why-is-climate-science-different

Rich Davis
Reply to  Sheldon Walker
March 3, 2019 6:24 am

Sheldon,
My touque’s off to you, eh, hoser? Now that I think aboot it, gonna go buy me a two-four and get drunk.

Much easier language, Canadian, than Russian!

Mike Ozanne
March 2, 2019 9:39 pm

““The key thing about terms like this is, they are plastic.””

I think “elastic” was the word they were groping for or as Dodgson would put it “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.” “