Green Electricity Grid Collapses During Aussie Heatwave

NPS West Coal Bunker and Tower Demolition

NPS West Coal Bunker and Tower Demolition

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

South Australia’s green politicians recently demolished their last coal plant.

Record heat blackouts: Tens of thousands without power across South Australia and Victoria

By Gemma Bath
Lexie Jeuniewic
Nick Pearson
2:03am Jan 25, 2019

Tens of thousands were last night sweltering through a blackout on one of the hottest days in history after power was cut across large areas of South Australia and Victoria.

There were 76 outages across Adelaide, affecting more than 28,000 customers during the hottest day in the city’s history.

In Victoria, about 5800 properties were without power on an “oppressive” night of hot and humid weather.

“Crews continue to work through the night – we understand it’s uncomfortable being without power in the heat,” SA Power Networks said on Twitter.

“If your power goes off, turn off all appliances and leave a single switch in the ON position so you know when it’s been restored. Turn appliances on gradually when power is back.”

Australian Energy Market Operator CEO Audrey Zibelman said an extra 400 megawatts had been added to the grid.

“We are going forward and reactivating our reserve power (of) 400MW of additional energy.”

The system is being utilised to its maximum – what we need everyone to do is just be aware of that and over this peak period make sure that you are not wasting energy.

Read more: https://www.9news.com.au/national/2019/01/24/05/54/weather-heatwave-south-australia-victoria-thursday

Not much more to say really. Thanks to the renewable supply duck neck (power only arrives when it isn’t needed), even during optimum weather, renewable electricity is useless for supplying households during heatwaves.

You can have reliable electricity or you can have renewable electricity but you can’t have both.

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310 thoughts on “Green Electricity Grid Collapses During Aussie Heatwave

    • Also read that three coal power stations in Vic went down due to being old and poorly maintained. Again with govt policy is forcing companies to shut down coal plant they are not going waste money renewing equipment.

      The fake “climate emergency” is causing a lot of very bad decisions to be made my creating false or distorted priorities.

      • yup appears we were down about 1000megawatts, as coal gen was below capacity due to lousy maintenance expended on it thanks to morons in govt stuffing our power at present.
        it was also unusal for a heatwave in that it had very LOW to near no wind from the Nth
        which was a blessing as it also reduced fire risk, though we still have 9,000+hectares burnt and still burning in the east of Victoria
        the supposed good deal buyin power that was plenty…(lol) was a whole???? 400megs worth
        it was damned hot, inside my no aircon home was 33.5 at 4pm on friday
        outside she hit 42.9 and I have well watered garden vegies that burnt to crisp
        today it might have got to 25 or so as a cooler change moved across the state

      • They want to kill people, that can be the only reason for such insanity. Nothing else other than the death of thousands will satisfy their god.

        • Thousands???

          These guys want to reduce the population of the planet to 100 million or less. They are looking to kill billions.

          • I discovered in my research for a paper that I wrote in 1995 that they really want the Earth’s population decreased to 200 million. (who’s going to make all their smart phones, laptops etc?)

          • By reducing the world’s population to 200 million precludes the very definition of “smart”; the old rotary models should suffice!

        • “renewable electricity is useless for supplying households during heatwaves. ”

          Heatwave, what about the coming cold in the USA? Just imagine these power cuts in a cold-wave.

          Yes they want to kill people

        • Hey!
          Refrigeration isn’t … natural
          Air Conditioning isn’t … natural
          Artificial Power isn’t … natural
          If personkind want to get back to nature … there WILL BE collateral damage.

          • go live in a cave…oh, you already do. never mind. and cultivating crops is not natural, eat everything that grows in the wild only

        • “settled science” is political, not science – They only cite the supply side, not the demand side of CO2 (Plant food), They only talk about the affects on temperature from CO2 raise, never the affects on agriculture (Every greenhouse operator knows increased CO2 = increased crop yield.)

          There are two very simple facts the Liberals will not acknowledge:

          #1 This Earth can only sustain 2 billion people without burning fossil fuel – John Deere does not run on batteries… so, what to do with 5 billion dead bodies?

          #2 The “deal” Trump wisely backed us out of would have taxed USA and sent this money to the #1 and #4 producers of CO2 – Chairman Mao’s China, and India…

          Most importantly, the Earth can only sustain 2 billion people without burning fossil fuel, so what are they going to do with the 5 – 6 billion corpse ? John Deer doesn’t run on batteries, nor can airliners… how will those fat cats in Congress jet home every weekend without jet fuel ?

    • My power went out in November, in the middle of a sleet storm. That was bad. But it was fixed and everything is running properly now.
      I shudder to think what will happen to the gullible people who think ‘clean, renewable, etc.’ is the way to go and switch over to it, considering that, without a way to run your furnace, you have no heat in frigid winter weather. We are having a normal, snowy, COLD!!! winter in my kingdom, and I got one of those “offers” to switch to “clean” energy from some group in WDC, at a mere 50% higher rate/KwH than my current rate. 3rd time, in fact. Yeah, well, I want my furnace to run in cold weather.
      I sort of feel sorry for the Aussies, but if they had done some REAL investigation, they might not be in this pickle.

      • “Gullible people who think ‘clean, renewable, etc.’ is the way to go and switch over to it”

        But they DON’T switch over to 100% renewable power – they may think they are, but in reality they are simply getting conventional power when wind & solar can’t provide, and the suppliers buy/sell certificates to cover the difference. If these people were genuinely receiving 100% renewable power they wouldn’t be gullible for very long…

        Someone said in a comment the other day “Why doesn’t London disconnect from the UK grid, and just rely on wind/solar?” It is an excellent suggestion, but I doubt it will ever take place!

      • Sara, we are not all gullible DownUnder but we have great difficulty in getting the truth about these ridiculous unreliables into thick heads. We are lumbered with the results of the propaganda indoctrinated gullibles having the vote so have to have a back up generator to hand. In a rural setting it is now essential for the use of pumps to have that backup.

    • And the Democratic Party wants very much to bring this same sort of misery to the United States.

      I wonder how many Australian Politicians and upper level Bureaucrats are practicing what they preach? If I had to I would guess that they have a system in place to keep Government offices cool in the heat. After all the important business of government rule must go on.

      Do you suppose they receive an allowance for personal home diesel generators to control the climate where they live?

      • “I wonder how many Australian Politicians and upper level Bureaucrats are practicing what they preach? ”

        Somewhere between zero and none.

      • The prevalence of generators in South Australia is quite large, from my reading. It makes sense in a place where the electricity supply is unreliable. I would think the generation of carbon dioxide is many times what it would otherwise be because of all the generators that are now needed to make up for the lack of green electricity.

        • Motor generator sets are not designed to be in any way eco-friendly. They are designed to be rugged, reliable energy sources. Exhaust pollution is never a consideration. I use a little Onan 4KW genset and understand it perfectly.

      • “settled science” is political, not science – They only cite the supply side, not the demand side of CO2 (Plant food), They only talk about the affects on temperature from CO2 raise, never the affects on agriculture (Every greenhouse operator knows increased CO2 = increased crop yield.)

        There are two very simple facts the Liberals will not acknowledge:

        #1 This Earth can only sustain 2 billion people without burning fossil fuel – John Deere does not run on batteries… so, what to do with 5 billion dead bodies?

        #2 The “deal” Trump wisely backed us out of would have taxed USA and sent this money to the #1 and #4 producers of CO2 – Chairman Mao’s China, and India…

        Most importantly, the Earth can only sustain 2 billion people without burning fossil fuel, so what are they going to do with the 5 – 6 billion corpse ? John Deer doesn’t run on batteries, nor can airliners… how will those fat cats in Congress jet home every weekend without jet fuel ?

    • In Australia, All major parties have bought the Cool-aid. Any discentors to the climate doctrine face very well funded and resourced campaigns to silence or disendorse them, from their own party or foreign funded groups. Any person in any authority who does not drink the coolaide faces campaigns to kill there careers.
      Australians cannot vote against the destruction of our economy, not allowed. Discussion still occurs, but there are campaigns to limit it.
      Thank God for WUWT

      • I never thought the Aussies would capitulate so quickly and so completely. But, John Howard brought about a gun registry in a matter of months after a mass shooting at a tourist site. The more one learns about the British and their various offshoots, the more it becomes clear that we have more cultural differences than we share.

    • You’re right, Joe. Drinking Koolaid makes everyone less self-reliant. I have a big enough generator and a bore for water. Don’t ever rely on “them”. “They” don’t care about you. Look out for yourself. I don’t feel sorry for them. If they are stupid enough to rely on “them” they deserve what they get.

  1. The people of South Australia have my sympathy. Also the 200,000 of Victoria that suffered in the same power shortage.

    At the risk of saying I Told You So, I did predict this in August last year after studying several AEMO reports. It was quite obvious that the assumptions they were making to justify their claims that there would be enough power were unsustainable:
    1. That there would be a reduction in power requirements through “improved efficiencies” even though the state’s population was rising.
    2. The use of kwh, ie an average energy requirement, concealed the fact that the instantaneous power requirement would exceeded the power generation capacity when the wind power dropped.

      • If anyone died of heat stroke from the outage and consequent loss of air-conditioning, someone in authority should be charged with negligent homicide.

        • I am betting they are competent enough when it comes to their own comfort. Has anyone Down Under done any investigative reporting on the suffering (or lack of) of government officials under these conditions?

      • I live in adelaide sth aust. It was still 44 degrees celsius at 730pm. At 1030 it was still around the 39 degree celsius mark. I.m 49 years old and have never felt heat like that before at night. It was like standing in front of a blast furnace. It’s hard to explain how ferocious the heat felt on you. Glad it only lasted one night before the cool change came in. It is however totally unacceptable that in 2019 we in a first world technically advanced country have a power blackouts for what ever reason. The greens are hell bent on dragging us back to a pre industrial age existance.

        • It was like standing in front of a blast furnace.

          You’ve clearly never been near a blast furnace either.

          I have worked outside in building industry in 40+ deg.C , it was hot and I needed loads of water. I did not die. The worst part was dumb EU work safety laws prevent us from taking out shirts off ( it’s a cancer risk !).

          If you live in an air-con bubble all year round and never let your body acclimatise you will suffer if you ever meet the natural world.

          If folks set the air-con at 35 on a 40 day instead of 24 , they would not have blackouts, even with crap “renewable” infrastructure.

          • Im a spray painter and work in a spray booth that usually runs ten degrees hotter than the outside air temo. No air conditioning there. I was specifically talking about the temp at night. If you have felt hotter conditions that is your persomal experience. I am simply talking about mine.

          • I’m 70 y/o and make it a point to get out every day. Here in the desert of Las Vegas, NV I am the only person walking his (big) dogs at the local dog park in the summer heat (Its OK, there is plenty of water and shade.). Its simple self preservation; when (!) the power goes out, I won’t be one of the old folks kicking off from heat exhaustion.

            My old boonies hat comes in handy. That, and no shirt. I’m old; screw skin cancer!

          • Greg, you seem to be missing the point of AC. It is to keep one comfortable. Less than 24 when it’s hot outside, greater than 24 when it’s cold outside.
            AC is one of the great accomplishments of the last century. Could it be more efficient? Sure. Should we be satisfied with less of it? Absolutely not!

        • I lived in inner city adelaide as a kid im 10yrs older than you, no one had aircon back then except offices and pubs. and I remember plenty of dec jan and feb days and nights that were baking hot no breezes and radiated heat from the roads made it worse again, you lay down and didnt so much sleep as passed out from the heat;-) and woke with soaked sheets and pillow.
          yes this was crappy hot but it was only a couple of days of it.
          reliance on aircon by the masses means lessened ability to cope with the real temps and i reckon thats a bad thing.
          aircon house car and workplaces are the norm not the exception, so when the real world intrudes when those luxiries are off.
          I admit I do laugh. a few hrs without power and the worlds ending?
          ok the very few ill needing oxygen etc are the exception, but a small 800kv home portable genset would run a backup oxy pump

          • I just love your sympathy for the old & infirm living at home who may rely on their electricity to stay cool, it is exactly that kind of technology that has reduced the mortality rates of the very young, very old or very infirm.
            But you are OK Jack aren’t you?

          • You remind me of the old advertisements for Holden (GM) air conditioning. They would advertise that you should buy an air conditioned Holden car and go for a drive in that to escape the heat. Perhaps they need to find the old tapes from the archives!

        • Paul r,
          With all due respect, Australia is no longer a first world country.
          Australia is rapidly on its way to third world status, with government caused blackouts and bush fires, unstable and resource extraction based export economics.
          It is heart breaking to see a people so deceived and misled.

        • You won’t be able to compare heat from a blast furnace in the near future because one ingredient it needs is ….. Coal (Coke). The greens will find a way to ban Coking Coal mining next

      • A competent government would have allowed utility engineers and professionals to plan and run the power.
        Assuming that politicians and parasitic greens have any ability to actually get work done is a fatal error.
        People died in the heat, I bet.
        Their lives are due to the foolishness of believing climate kooks and climate profiteers.

        • It’s time to ‘reverse engineer’ these crimes and hold politicians and bureaucrats responsible for the gross mismanagement of the energy portfolio that has led to wrongful deaths and serious harm.

        • “competent government” ….. is surely an oxymoron.

          Anyway, the elected politicians should be “doubly” blamed because of their “political” appointees to decision-making managerial/supervisory positions of various Agencies/Departments that they lack knowledge, education and/or experience in/of.

    • Politicians typically focused on the easy “bird courses” in the social sciences, and skipped the “tough” courses in science and engineering. Here is a primer:

      First, this is the economic solution for intermittent green energy – typically wind and solar power:
      1. Build your wind or solar power system and connect it to the grid.
      2. Build your back-up system consisting of 100% equivalent capacity in gas turbine generators.
      3. Using high explosives, blow your wind or solar power system all to hell.
      4. Run your back-up gas turbine generators 24/7.
      5. To save even more money, skip steps 1 and 3.
      Despite many trillions in squandered subsidies, global green energy has increased from above 1% to below 2% is recent decades. Green energy is not green and provides little useful (dispatchable) energy.

      Second, understand that fossil fuels comprise fully 85% of global primary energy, unchanged in decades, and unlikely to change in future decades. Ban fossil fuels and ~everyone in the developed world is dead in a month. The remaining 15% of global primary energy is almost all hydro and nuclear.

      Third, the only proved “green” solution for global energy is nuclear, but greens hate nuclear more than they hate fossil fuels.

      Fourth, atmospheric CO2 is not alarmingly high, it is too low for optimal plant growth and alarmingly low for the survival of carbon-based terrestrial life. Look up “C3 photosynthesis” and “CO2 starvation” during ice ages.

      Fifth, even if ALL the observed global warming is ascribed to increasing atmospheric CO2, this calculated MAXIMUM climate sensitivity to a hypothetical doubling of atmospheric CO2 is only about 1 degree C, which is not nearly enough to produce dangerous global warming (Christy and McNider 2017, Lewis and Curry 2018). Climate computer models use much higher ASSUMED values to create false alarm.

      Sixth, atmospheric CO2 trends lag global temperature trends at all measured time scales, from ~9 months in the modern data record on a ~3 year natural cycle to ~~800 years in the ice core record, on a much longer time cycle. Rational observers have noted that the future cannot cause the past. (MacRae 2008 and Humlum et al 2013)

      Seventh, CO2 is NOT a major driver of global warming – any warming caused by increasing atmospheric CO2 will be minor and net-beneficial to humanity and the environment.

      Eighth, Earth is colder-than-optimum for humanity and the environment. More than 50,000 Excess Winter Deaths occurred in just England and Wales last winter – an Excess Winter Death rate almost three times the per-capita average in the USA. (d’Aleo and MacRae 2015)

      Ninth, the continued false warming “adjustments” of the surface temperature record, the fraudulent Mann hockey stick embraced by the IPCC and the Climategate emails all prove the criminal intent of the leaders of the global warming/climate change scam.

      Tenth, the IPCC and the leaders of the global warming movement have a perfectly negative predictive track record – every one of their very-scary predictions of runaway catastrophic global warming and more extreme weather have failed to materialize. The ability to correctly predict is the best objective measure of scientific competence, and the warmist cabal have a perfectly negative predictive track record, demonstrated negative competence, and negative personal credibility. Nobody should believe them or their alarmist nonsense..

      Eleventh, we published with confidence in 2002 in a written debate with the leftist Pembina Institute:
      “Climate science does not support the theory of catastrophic human-made global warming – the alleged warming crisis does not exist.”

      Twelfth, we also published with confidence in the same 2002 debate:
      “The ultimate agenda of pro-Kyoto advocates is to eliminate fossil fuels, but this would result in a catastrophic shortfall in global energy supply – the wasteful, inefficient energy solutions proposed by Kyoto advocates simply cannot replace fossil fuels.”

      Past decades of actual global observations adequately prove that these two statements are correct to date. Since then, many trillions of dollars and millions of lives have been wasted due to false global warming alarmism and green energy nonsense. Competent scientists and engineers have known these facts for decades.

      We told you so, 17 years ago.

      Regards, Allan MacRae

      • Climate computer models use much higher ASSUMED values to create false alarm.

        The CO2 sensitivity is an emergent property of the models but it is INDUCED by the choice of values other poorly constrained parameters and parametrisation of key variables, like cloud cover, which are not directly calculable from “basic physics”.

        Hansen et al 2002 clearly states that you can produce pretty whatever sensitivity you wish by careful selection of parameter values.

    • They have no sympathy from me. they gave up their right to self defence and that means defence from the government that is working hard to kill them.

        • I had to hand a gun in, during the 96 gun buy back hysteria nonsense. Never register your guns. That is what they do prior to a ban.

          I left the country and bought new guns at the Walmart!

    • What else can we expect of people who measure power in kilowatt-hours and storage capacity in kilowatts? Why not use gallons or knots instead? Even better, use real engineers.

  2. What are South Australians voting for that incompetent zealots remain running the government and making their constituents suffer. Is there a shortage of oxgen in the state?Are there no alternatives?

    • The government who demolished the old coal powered stations was voted out after the last brownouts.
      The new government needs to build reliable power – feral activists and regulations will never let anything new except unreliable renewables.

      • And with that coal is now considered not “fit for purpose”, only renewables will provide reliable base load generation.

      • And some morons have incredible cheek. Tom Koutsantonis says what a brilliant idea it was to buy all those generators after blowing up the coal station. Right, ’cause who doesn’t want to pay $14,000 per MWhr for electricity?

    • Maybe your Oz politicians are not all that stupid. Maybe their intent is like that of many third-world dictators – get power by appealing to imbeciles, destroy the economy, and live like kings atop a ruined state. Over half the countries in the world fit this description.

      Maybe your politicians are trying to Californicate Australia – or more likely turn it into another Venezuela. Seriously, can they all really be that stupid?

      https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/10/06/claim-judge-kavanaughs-adherence-to-rule-of-law-will-impede-climate-action/#comment-2482376

      Here is how modern politics works:

      The far-left is winning, especially in the developing world, where over 100 countries are pseudo-Marxist dictatorships, based on their leftist phony rhetoric, but are actually just military dictatorships, run for the ruling elite and their armed thugs – see Zimbabwe and Venezuela… and North Korea, Cuba, the Soviet Union countries and many more..

      The left gains political power by promising imbeciles lots of free stuff. Then they destroy the economy, create widespread poverty and live like kings atop a ruined state – because you can’t be kings without lots of peasants.

      It is really no different in the developed world. Get elected by lazy greedy imbeciles, destroy the economy with fake green energy and other crazy policies, and live like kings on top of a ruined economy, looking down on all the peasants.

        • Hi David,

          I do not have details on the Tesla battery but have considered the concept of a grid-scale “Super-Battery” for about a decade. In general, it does not yet (and may never) exist in practical reality.

          The key problem with grid-connected wind power is intermittency, and the resulting lack of predictable, dispatchable power that is the primary requirement for grid electricity.

          I have heard and read many energy neophytes say that grid-scale storage is the solution – and they act like it actually exists! In practical terms, it does not – except for a few rare cases where pumped storage is feasible – it requires a large water reservoir at the bottom of the hydroelectric dam, as well as at the top – this is rare.

          So I would like to announce that I have invented a SOLUTION:

          It consists of millions of huge flywheels that are wound up by wind power while the wind blows, and then the power is released back into the grid by tapping power from the rotating flywheels. For longer periods when the wind does not blow, the flywheels are spun by great herds of unicorns, galloping round and round at great speed. Once we have solved the unicorn-supply challenge we are sure to have a green energy winner! [I suppose I must say “Sarc/off for the warmists out there, who tend to believe ANYTHING!]

          Here is some history on the super-battery concept:

          https://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/11/10/even-china-cant-jump-start-the-electric-car/#comment-1385247

          [excerpt]

          Thank you CWP – we’ll see what works – I remain pessimistic about super-batteries.

          Years ago I proposed a super-battery that may someday materialize…

          https://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/01/10/polar-sea-ice-changes-are-having-a-net-cooling-effect-on-the-climate/#comment-63388\
          [excerpt]

          Storage of electricity is much easier said than done.

          One interesting idea for electricity storage is a “super battery”, consisting of many plugged-in electric cars. This could be possible in a decade or two.

          Regards, Allan

          • BBC Greens, Grantham “Prof Marting Siegherts Airlines spewing poison in the atmosphere” Gretta – 16 – being peddled by her Mother from Katowice to Davos – Attenborough an existential threats – Nancy Pelosi “climate change is an existential threat” just before she and hundreds of democrats embark on 7 day side seeing tour of Europe. During her last term she claimed $2 million expenses for flights and $104,000 for booze and more for entertaining. I continue to complain to the BBC despite them trying to shut me down with this:
            CAS-3837243

            Dear Mr Wells,

            I am responsible within BBC Audience Services for the complaints service provided by our contact centre. I have been reviewing the history of your complaints to the BBC.

            I apologise for the formality of this email but I have decided that the BBC Trust’s Expedited Complaints Procedure should apply to your complaints from today. In order for this to happen I need to provide you with certain information according to the protocol laid down by the BBC Trust.

            The BBC Executive and the Trust may use this Procedure only where a complainant has a history of persistently or repeatedly making complaints which fall into one of the following categories:

            (a) are trivial, misconceived, hypothetical, repetitious or otherwise vexatious;
            (b) fail to raise an issue of breach of any relevant Guidelines or Policies (eg in the case of an editorial complaint, the Editorial Guidelines; in the case of a fair trading complaint, the Fair Trading Policies and Framework);
            (c) use gratuitously abusive or offensive language;
            (d) are shown on investigation to have no reasonable prospect of success; or
            (e) after rejection of the complaint at an earlier stage (eg Stage 1), are persistently and repeatedly appealed unsuccessfully to the next stage (eg Stage 2).

            I believe that your complaints fall into category (a) in that they are repetitious and misconceived, and also categories (b) and (d). In order to apply the Expedited Complaints Procedure, I am required to follow the notification requirements laid down by the BBC Trust:

            1. I am providing you with a link to the copy of the General Complaints and Appeals Procedure, which contains detail of the Expedited Complaints Procedure (in Annex2 ):

            http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/governance/complaints_framework/general.html

            2. I have decided to apply this Procedure because of the volume of your complaints and the consequent demands they make on the time of complaints advisers when most of them have not suggested breaches of BBC guidelines:

            (i) In January 2016 our records show you made 13 complaints, 12 in February and a further 6 since then. Over 140 have been made in your name since 2011.

            (ii) Many of the complaints are comments or views and mostly about climate change, also with some other issues, but to which we have previously provided replies and some of which were subsequently escalated;

            (iii) Most have not suggested a breach of the BBC’s published standards, or a significant issue of general importance which might justify further investigation, and have not been successful on escalation.

            3. I intend to apply the Procedure from today to 15 June 2018.

            4. You may appeal against this decision. If you wish to do so you should contact the BBC Trust within 20 working days of receiving this reply. Details are in the Expedited Procedure to which I have provided a link above.

            I should explain that if a future complaint from you falls into any of the categories (a) (b) (c) (d) or (e) the complaint will not be acknowledged and so may be rejected without notifying you or providing any reasons. If on the other hand it does not fall into these categories and suggests a possible breach of any relevant Guidelines or Policies, the complaint will be investigated in accordance with the Complaints Procedure that applies.

            I’m aware that you may still have complaints to which the BBC may not yet have replied. The BBC will of course answer those and other complaints submitted before the date this Expedited Complaints Procedure was applied.

            Yours sincerely,

            Keith Jones,
            Head of Communications and Complaints,
            BBC Audience Services.

            So I have started again:
            Complaint Summary: Infantalism Scientific Illiteracy Child and Abuse
            Full Complaint: Sir David Attenborough and Gretta. All BBC FOI Request. Please identify the calculations and data used to arrive at the assumption that 8,000ths of 1% rise in atmospheric Co2 over 200 years (1 part in 10,000) poses an existential threat to civilisation, humanity, the planet, wildlife, the universe, the sun the moon and the stars? Because the numbers don’t fit. The planet emitted 100 trillion tons of Co2 between 2000 and 2010. Lower tropospheric – where the greenhouse effect happens – temperature plateaued for 18 years and 9 months acknowledged by the IPCC as the pause or hiatus. And UAH lower tropospheric data reveals a 0.2C rise since 1980. Attenborough said at COP in Poland we have 12 years to avoid disaster but in 2017/2018 the BBC said we had 24 hours to save the planet. If 100 trillion tons of Co2 in one decade failed to kill us off how come extra 0.6 trillion tons in 12 years will? Thought I would ask because you would imagine that 100 trillion tons – if the BBC is correct – would be deadlier than a measly 0.6 trillion tons. Sir David Attenborough must know? But why would he care when he is on the record for saying “humans are a plague for the planet” Not Co2 putting Gretta at risk its Attenborough’s anti human narrative after he’s got our money. Does the BBC endorse his sentiment? I thought the BBC wanted more people to pay the license fee not less to support Attenborough’s fossil fuelled travel program making. Sorry he’s off to Netflix now. file:///K:/MyDocsI/MyDocsBackup/PDonEasterbrook/CO2_past-climate-chg-lessons.pdf file:///K:/MyDocsI/MyDocsBackup/PDonEasterbrook/CO2_past-century.pdf file:///K:/MyDocsI/MyDocsBackup/PDonEasterbrook/CO2_atmospheric-carbon-dioxide.pdf file:///K:/MyDocsI/MyDocsBackup/PDonEasterbrook/2016_Ev_Based_Climate_Sci_Chap14_Cause_of_Global_Climate_Chg_dje.pdf file:///K:/MyDocsI/MyDocsBackup/PDonEasterbrook/greenland-ice-core.pdf

            Complaint Summary: Offensive innaccurate prevaricating dishonesty
            Full Complaint: BBC News@10pm 220119 Lyse Doucet Mali 1.5X’ Climate Change Atmospheric Co2 increased by 1 part in 10,000 or 8,000ths of 1% over last 200 years. That is 8,000ths of 1% of 0.0283%. Planet warmed at same rate between 1910&1940 as it did between 1970&2000. 1910to1940 was at preindustrial 283ppm. China’s industrial revolution Co2 increased from 1945 which had no effect on cooling from 1940 to 1970. Planet warmed from 1970 to 2000. From 2000 to 2010 planet emitted 100 trillion tons of Co2 nearly 1 3rd of all Co2 ever emitted. Temperature plateaued from 1998 for 18 years and 9 months. UAH lower tropospheric satellite data reveals a 0.2C rise in temperature since 1980 which is cancelled out by a 0.2C margin for error therefore no statistically significant warming for 38 years. Greenhouse effect happens within the lower troposphere. Laurentide glaciation 11,000 yrs ago LIA 1300to1900. Holocene 9,000 yrs ago average temp 6C warmer than today. Roman Minoan MWP minimum 2.5C warmer than today Co2 283ppm. Mali 65% desert/semi desert. Cultivated Sudanese, Semi Desert Sahelian Saharan Desert Zone. FOI Request. Identify source of 1.5 X’s what temperature, specific data needed. Identify specific detailed relationship between an 8,000ths of 1% of 283ppm rise in atmospheric Co2 and its purported effect on Mali, identify specific changes. UAH temperature data for Ethiopia inconsistent with speculation about Mali. But is consistent with a rise of 0.2C since 1980 cancelled by 0.2C margin for error. By time I receive a fallacious reply I will have downloaded specific UAH temperature data for Mali. http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/v6.0/tlt/uahncdc_lt_6.0.txt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSVkSCN_hLQ https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=you+tube+dr+patrick+michaels&view=detail&mid=F9F991226890A8BEA6EEF9F991226890A8BEA6EE&FORM=VIRE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYKggC5VOzA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg_2fJImqac

            Complaint Summary: Offensive innacurate prevaricating dishonesty
            Full Complaint: News@1 240119 17.28. Roger Harrabin Barents Sea being swallowed by Atlantic, less sea ice in 12,000 years. Barents Sea will disappear within 1 decade. Atmospheric Co2 increased by 1 part in 10,000 or 8,000ths of 1% over last 200 years. That is 8,000ths of 1% of 0.0283%. Planet warmed at same rate between 1910&1940 as it did between 1970&2000. 1910to1940 was at preindustrial 283ppm. China’s industrial revolution Co2 increased from 1945 which had no effect on cooling from 1940 to 1970. Planet warmed from 1970 to 2000. From 2000 to 2010 planet emitted 100 trillion tons of Co2 nearly 1 3rd of all Co2 ever emitted. Temperature plateaued from 1998 for 18 years and 9 months. UAH lower tropospheric satellite data reveals a 0.2C rise in temperature since 1980 which is cancelled out by a 0.2C margin for error therefore no statistically significant warming for 38 years. The greenhouse effect happens within the lower troposphere not at ground zero. 50 million years ago both poles and the whole planet was ice free. Laurentide glaciation 11,000 yrs ago LIA 1300to1900. Holocene 9,000 yrs ago average temp 6C warmer than today. Roman Minoa MWP minimum 2.5C warmer than today Co2 283ppm. USS Skate ice free North Pole 1958 during global cooling https://www.ihatethemedia.com/photo-north-pole-submarine FOI request. Identify specific relationship between an 8,000ths of 1% rise in atmospheric Co2 and its effect on the Barents sea. Identify how 0.2C of lower tropospheric warming – at worst – has affected the behaviour of the Barents sea and the Atlantic ocean. Provide full detailed calculations/equations. UAH AMSU data here: http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/v6.0/tlt/uahncdc_lt_6.0.txt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSVkSCN_hLQ https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=you+tube+dr+patrick+michaels&view=detail&mid=F9F991226890A8BEA6EEF9F991226890A8BEA6EE&FORM=VIRE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYKggC5VOzA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg_2fJImqac
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          • Hello Allan,

            I appreciate the many great posts you’ve made regarding this article and many others at WUWT.

            Please allow me add the following with regard to home electrical energy storage and how it can result potentially in the waste of an extraordinary amount of electrical energy, with environmental consequences. Please note that the concept of using electrical vehicle batteries for storage of electricity that can be returned to the grid is fundamentally no different than standalone home storage batteries because both have storage voltages much higher than the normal residential voltages (e.g., 120/240 VAC in the US).

            Batteries sized to supply an appreciable part of a residential home’s typical average demand (in the US, about 867 kWh per month averaged over a year; see https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=97&t=3 ), will become one of mankind’s biggest wasters of electrical energy.

            The reasons for this are:
            1) If charged from a home PV solar system, there is an electrical conversion inefficiency associated with changing the total solar output voltage (typically, about 17 vdc peak per solar panel, and 600 vdc max allowable per series-connected group of panels, determined at maximum cold conditions) to the input voltage required for the storage battery. If the battery was being trickle-charged, we might hope to achieve 95% conversion efficiency in the DC-DC converter, but since it will be charged at relatively high currents during peak daylight hours there will be higher ohmic losses and we can more realistically expect conversion efficiencies in the 90-92% range . . . let’s use 91% efficiency here.
            2) If charged from the grid, say during the night with supposedly cheaper, off-peak electricity prices, there will still be an AC-DC inverter loss from charging the storage battery (DC) using grid AC. The best AC-DC inverters have about 97% conversion efficiency, so let’s just use that.
            3) But wait . . . getting the storage battery charged is only half the story . . . one will want to use the electrical energy stored in the battery. So, on the output side we will need a high-power DC-AC converter, with a typical conversion efficiency of around 95%.
            4) But the battery itself is not 100% efficient in outputting the energy that is fed into it for storage: chemical process inefficiencies and internal ohmic (self-heating) losses mean that only 80-90% of the input energy can be recovered (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery ). So, let’s be very optimistic and say that we lose only 10% of the stored energy here (i.e., 90% storage efficiency) by using only the best battery type.
            5) Still not done. These relatively large, high power batteries need thermal management sensing and control systems, as well as safety systems (e.g., to lock out cells that might fail in an electrically-shorted manner), to perform reliably across the range of operational temperatures they may experience. This will involve parasitic losses of around 1% for low- and high-temperature extreme environments, so let’s assign an average 99% efficiency for this.
            6) And finally, we need to account for the fact that lithium-ion batteries, like all other chemical-based electrical energy storage batteries, have self-discharge (aka “leakage”) rates. The previously-referenced Wikipedia article gives a value for this factor of 2% per month for lithium ion batteries.

            So, using the above efficiencies, we can estimate the total losses that home storage battery use might involve on a monthly basis:
            For a storage battery based on charging from a home PV system: 0.91*0.95*0.90*0.99*0.98 = 0.755
            For a storage battery based on charging from the grid: 0.97*0.95*0.90*0.99*0.98 = 0.805

            Thus, somewhere between 20 and 25% of the total energy input into the home battery storage system will be lost each month. If the US average home’s 867 kWh per month all passed through the storage battery, that will represent dumping the heat equivalent of 5.7 to 7.1 kW into the environment each and every day (equivalent to leaving 60 to 70 100-watt light bulbs on continuously!). Even if the home battery storage system only provided 10% of the monthly electricity usage, we’re still talking about dumping 600 to 700 watts of waste heat into the environment each and every day for each and every house using such a system.

            So now let’s talk about global warming!

          • Thank you Gordon Dressler – a worthwhile post.

            Conversion losses are unknown to politicians. We recently wasted billions on two DC transmission lines here in Alberta.

            https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/10/19/doe-secretary-rick-perry-resiliency-pricing-rule-for-coal-fired-and-nuclear-power-plants/#comment-2185775

            Here in Alberta the cost of generating natural gas-fired or coal-fired power is about 2-4 cents/KWh.

            Then this cost ~QUADRUPLES due to the way our idiot politicians have mismanaged the costs of Transmission, Distribution and Administration. Costs also increase due to the addition of unreliable, non-dispatchable wind power.

            Alberta recently added a new $2 billion DC transmission line that actually has higher (AC-DC-AC Conversion + Line) losses than the old AC system, because the AC-DC-AC conversion losses are about 5%, much higher than the line losses of the old AC lines (which obviously require no AC-DC-AC conversion).

            They had to take power off the old AC lines and put it on the new DC line – otherwise the new DC line would have run at less than 10% of capacity.

            The math IS that simple, but clearly too much for our Alberta politicians.

            Warren Buffet owns the new DC line and gets a guaranteed utility rate-of-return from this nonsense.

            Preliminary Scoping and Engineering was apparently done by Phoebe Buffet.

          • Renewable logic on a global scale: Why not use Earth as a giant storage battery. From 10s of thousands of miles from Earth you can see that the North pole is ‘up’ and the South Pole is ‘down’. If we put in a huge pipe or pipes (granted this would be costly), we could pump water from the South Pole to the North Pole in times of excess wind and P.V. Solar energy, and let gravity power huge generators with water from the North Pole to refill the voids at the South Pole in times of power needs. Alternative to pipes, we could build a huge damn with gates, around the world at the equator, and pump or release water from each hemisphere as power needs shift.
            Hope I don’t need to put certain disclaimer on this… 🙂

          • Allan – on ‘pumped storage’ being the only way (albeit with HUGE losses) to store grid-scale electricity. It also doesn’t work during a DROUGHT, ‘cos there isn’t enough flow in the river(s) supplying the lower dam to be there to be pumped! South Africa found this out a couple of years ago, when the Sterkfontein system in the Drakensberg mountains couldn’t work. The river Tugela, which supplies the lower dam, was down to a trickle, and couldn’t be used for storage, because what there was was needed for agriculture. I think “Power or food” may very well be a choice for future governments…

          • Thank you Russ Wood for your comment re the drought that shut down the Sterkfontein pumped-storage system in South Africa. Alberta is a large province, 662,000 sq. km in area, larger than many countries, and we have exactly ZERO sites suitable for pumped storage – we have no sites suitable for hydro dams with a large reservoir at the bottom.

        • Tesla battery stop power cuts?
          ==========
          Because electricity is not a fuel. It is a transmission method. So while you can store oil, coal, gas, hydro, nuclear; it is very difficult to store electricity.

          Typically you need to convert electricity into something else before you can store it.

      • “Maybe your politicians are trying to Californicate Australia – or more likely turn it into another Venezuela. Seriously, can they all really be that stupid?”

        If a politician’s only focus is stealing money and power from the peons, then we shouldn’t expect them to focus on infrastructure. They are too busy with other, personal things to worry about electricity.

        The real problem is there are too many clueless voters who put these incompetent politicians in Office.

        The Leftwing Media creates many of these clueless people by creating false realities that cause the voters to vote against their own interests, thinking they are doing just the opposite, because they have been duped by the Leftwing Media.

        Attacking the Leftwing Media Propaganda Machine and exposing it for what it is, might go a long way towards waking clueless people up to reality.

        Trump is leading the way in this effort.

      • nankerpledge – “Elon’s battery” (or any conceivable current battery) is really only capable of short term smoothing: to maintain voltage and frequency when everyone switches on their electric kettles at half time, or a plough wind carves through a big wind farm. Time shifting because of lack of capacity (storing today’s wind farm output for use tomorrow when the wind doesn’t blow) would take more than the world’s annual output of cells.

        As an engineer I think wind energy is fine for some purposes such as driving irrigation pumps where variable output is OK, but for grid-scale power generation is a huge mistake as well as being an eyesore.

  3. I have no sympathy for those without power that voted for the clowns that bought into the cagw myth and foisted unreliable energy generation upon them. I do have sympathy for those that neither voted for those responsible nor asked for a grid reliant on renewables.

  4. Most inhabitants of South Australia including those in Adelaide live on the edge of a large desert and the resulting high temperatures in summer eventually boil their brains and affect their judgement in many matters. A large number of German migrants at an early stage of the State’s development also contributed a tendency to arrogance, self-righteousness and blinkered vision. A zealous proclivity for unreliable ‘renewables’ is the latest evidence for this.

    • On the plus side South Australia, unlike the rest of what eventually became the Australia with Federation in 1901, was not settled with – and let’s use the correct technical word here – Convict Scum.

      So while South Australians may have evolved to eat nothing by Frog Cakes and show occasional bouts of well meaning gullibility, you rarely get the irrational ‘My Great Great Great Grand Cousin was sent here Against His Will(tm)’ chip on the shoulder defect that makes them cheat, lie, and steal in a deranged attempt to make up for the past injustice of having family members who once cheated, lied and stole.

      South Australians are the best Australians… except for Sarah Sea Patrol, but, ummm… bell curves.

      Honest.

      • Not the one who cause the biggest banking computer “glitch” in 2012…and then ran away dumping the problem on his teammate, me.

  5. To all the aussies my condolences. But growing up in Westchester County NY in the mid 50s we had no a/c and made it through the day and night. Going to bed with the house at 95 was a given. You can do it. We didn’t have a/c, but we did have lights. This is a preview of the warmists future.

    • Ditto in Nigeria (3yrs in Geological Survey of N) and in Benin, Togo, Tanzania. Hey even Winnipeg in July from late 1930s to early 60s where we could usually count on hitting 100°+F.

    • Yep. Grew up in Atlanta in the 1950s. No AC. Temps in the 90s, humidity something like 80%.
      I remember visiting relatives in New Orleans during that time, though, and it was even worse there. Very high humidity. Air was so thick and heavy it felt like you could swim in it. You had thd choice between opening a window and being eaten by mosquitoes, or closing the window and suffering heat stroke.

      My father worked in an office for a time in Washington, DC, before AC. For those who do not know, that city was built in a swamp. Work came to a halt from two to four in the afternoon. It was just too difficult to work with paper when sweat was streaming down your arms and hands.

      The industrialized world will be in for a shock if those conditions come back, especially since most office building windows can no longer be opened.

      • If they were opened it would let in the mosquitoes. But the open windows might force the top-level scum to ooze out!

    • Used to see people sleep on the roof & out on balconies in many hot places around the world. String hammocks, rope beds & straw mats were common in some of those places as well.

      Mosquitos are a complication in some places, since a decrease in core body temperature is conducive to sleep mean covering up against bites gets tricky. By the way, in cool enough situations Cornell University determined the best strategy was to sleep with 1 foot uncovered to allow body temperature compensation.

      • I grew up in rural Scotland without electricity or mains gas, so heating was by open fires and a Rayburn cooker/range. I now live in rural France and we get a mid thirties heat wave most summers, not sleeping due to heat is a minor problem compared to keeping warm 24/7 for several weeks.

    • So they should demand that Australia quit selling coal to China. Then they will get to experience both the heat and poverty.

    • To Patrick, no we are not believers in Australia. The exact same sociopathic vermin that infests all countries in this enlightened age also infests Australia…and so what you will read in the media does not represent reality.
      I know many people from many walks of life and very few are believers, and the ones that are cannot argue their point of view past, “97% of all scientists…don’t you think we should give the planet the benefit of the doubt? Blah fucking NPC blah”
      We are under siege by the bureaucrats and socialists and almost completely without representation in either the media or the Parliament.
      When someone finally comes along and says, we will build ample power stations to have cheap and reliable power for our citizens and industries…they will get about 70% of the vote. They don’t do this because they are cowards and the insane bureaucracy tell them otherwise…Mikael Palins crazy film “Brazil” about a dystopian nightmare of a future where the bureaucrats run everything is beginning to look like a work of non-fictitious prediction.

      • I do understand comments, especially at the SMH, are heavily moderated and what I see is pro-alarmist posts are approved almost instantly. You will see many posties who clearly are paid (Such as “Concerned Voter” IMO) to post and you can see that their posts are cut and pastes because they contain the exact spelling mistakes in previous posts such as spelling CO2 as C02.

  6. BP just ran a commercial on Fox News Channel showing a windmill slowing to a stop, and then the announcer says, “in the off chance the wind ever stops blowing here (a picture of a kite falling to the ground is shown), the lights can keep on shining thanks to our natural gas.”

    Sounds like South Austrailia needs some of that BP natural gas.

  7. Germany in the next 7 days may experience something similar, but with extreme cold unless some serious importing of electricity from France happens.

    The power grid in the NE US is going to be severely strained in the next 7 days by cold. You can bet the coal fired plants in the Eastern US will be cranked to Full Power… and you won’t hear a peep out the useful idiots any Democrat Socialist governors of any of those eastern US states about how coal is saving their political arses.

    But in few more years, after more coal fired plants in the US shutter, and a few more nuclear plants go into mothballs… The spot market electricity suppliers with their modern CCGT and fracked Marcellus natural gas will be killin’ it on the profit side as desperate electricity companies and their regulators will have to push massive rate increases to their customers. All by design from the Left.

    • “The power grid in the NE US is going to be severely strained in the next 7 days by cold. You can bet the coal fired plants in the Eastern US will be cranked to Full Power… and you won’t hear a peep out the useful idiots any Democrat Socialist governors of any of those eastern US states about how coal is saving their political arses.”

      It will be interesting to see how the windmills and solar farms fare in the extreme weather that is going to hit the central and northeast U.S. Rep. Ocasion wants the U.S. totally dependent for our electricity on windmills and solar farms in her new Green plan. The next few weeks ought to give us a real-world example of how that would work out. Pay attention, Rep. Ocasio.

      • New (as of January 3, 2019) US Congressional Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a naive, pompous, witless, 29-year old former bartender that has offered up her died-in-the-wool-socialist Green New Deal (GND) plan to extract both money and liberties from US citizens under the meme of “fighting climate change.”

        And please don’t ask me how I really feel about her.

        • Uhhh, sorry, that should have been “dyed-in-the-wool-socialist” . . . although my misspelling does have some appeal.

        • Is that a good enough excuse to stop them having electricity now in order to prevent it getting warmer? And if it was warmer before and we adapted why are we so desperate to stop it getting warmer now?

          I think your brain has slipped a cog this morning, Steven. You just undermined the entire green rationale for fighting climate change!

        • Yes it has. However we are told by the BoM it’s been the hottest since records began. Some of those records began as late as 1959, at an airport.

          • yeah..amazing how the lost so many priors isnt it?
            or have them but seem to manage to forget or gloss over the 30s especially

          • But what were the mortality rates when “everyone coped” with the heat before and why would you want to if you do not have to?

          • There was a report recently that a temperature record was broken by 0.1c. I can’t recall where, the record was set in 1939 though and it was xx.1c, and was broken recently by 0.1c, to xx.2c. I asked what device recorded that xx.1c temp in 1939? Where? By whom?

            Crickets chirping…

            But in 2019 it’s a record xx.2c!!!

          • AC has two benefits, it controls temperature and more importantly humidity. The air is first dehumidified and then cooled or heated.

        • “Steven Mosher January 26, 2019 at 2:01 am
          It’s been warmer before and folks didn’t have electricity. No problem. Humans adapt”

          And if they don’t they die, eh Mosher? Or are you going to argue with Darwin.
          There you have the “compassion” of the left. A guy that has been pushing the global warming meme for decades. Then it gets hot somewhere and he argues against the need for A/C for ANYBODY! That is, anyone but himself and his computer of course.

        • So let’s drain the Hetch Hetchey that SF depends on for its great water and power.
          And then let’s see how long SF lasts.
          And let’s make certain no gas or coal power or especially nuke power taints the Bay Area’s delicate self declared virtue.

        • Humans adapted by inventing electricity and air conditioning, which not only makes heat waves more comfortable, it makes them more dangerous. No one is claiming that unreliable power generation will kill the species off, it’s the hysterical alarmists that somehow think higher temperatures are an existential threat. But it’s perfectly reasonable to point out that power outages can and do kill people, and that this particular power outage could have been avoidable simply by retaining more reliable base load electricity generation. Why wasn’t it? Because virtue-signaling politicians are demonizing coal over an insignificant forcing from Australian power plants.

        • People also used to die in droves during heat waves. Then again, you guys want there to be fewer humans.

        • People survived without modern medicine, so obviously we can get rid of all the medical advances of the last 200 years.

        • It’s been warmer before and folks didn’t have electricity. No problem. Humans adapt

          OK. Then what’s the supposed problem w/CO2? Creating too much food that supports overpopulation?

        • Yes, Mr. Mosher. Humans adapted by inventing electric power grids and air conditioning. We might even imagine back to when we came up with innovations like animal skins and fire for when it gets cold. Now, please go back to your Wandering in the Weeds.

          My only solace in this CAGW farce is that humans won’t sit around and suffer for long. Hugely expensive and unreliable energy sources will fall by the wayside.

    • “Without fossil fuel large areas of inland and northern Australia will become uninhabitable.” Away from the Coral Sea coast, habitation by Europeans is already scant and has always been so.

  8. Most coal powered plants require urgent updating.
    The war on coal regulations and other government environmental laws make the cost of upgrades prohibitive – if a license to upgrade is ever granted.

    There is enough cheap accessible coal in the Victorian state of Australia to last 500 years even given population and demand increase.

    • The SA govn’t, as I am sure you know, increased royalties on coal that simply made it uneconomical to update/maintain coal plants, so owners simply blew them up. The French company Engie owns 75% of Hazzelwood in Victoria which is going to be shutdown. Decision made in Paris.

  9. It’s time to bring back dependable coal power plants. They operate 24/7 providing the electricity you need to live the lifestyles you are accustomed too. They are not dependent upon the sun or clouds, or on if the wind will blow or not!
    Technology is changing. Coal power plants can operate even cleaner than natural gas power plants. With a few technology upgrades coal power plant can greatly improve their profitability.
    Coal power plants can become a benefit to the local community by creating new full time jobs. Coal exhaust is no longer considered to be a waste.
    Waste Is Not Waste If It Has A Purpose, and Sidel has given a purpose to combusted coal exhaust.

    • According to reports, at least 3 coal burners were out of action due to “tube leaks”. No further description was given.

  10. Can’t post the graph only, so here is the link. Look at the electricity price hockey-stick since the Golubles Warming hysteria started… basically siphoning huge amount of money out of middle-class working people. That money is not stay in the local economy. The destruction of the West by redistributing wealth is under way.

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/why-your-grocery-prices-are-going-up-but-youre-not-getting-any-more-in-your-trolley/news-story/f728d7b58e90244e7c62e8bd79bb2ea0

      • We practically pay China to take LNG from Australia. Recently politicians started worrying about on-shore reserves FOR Australia. Well, it is a federal election year, a few months away. Energy costs and supply reliability will be the number one vote winner. My view is we will have a hung parliament where minority power (Pun intended) will go to The Greens and Labor party (ALP) will form Govn’t. If that happens Australia, power wise, will be doomed. The ALP have stated a target of 50% renewables country wide. They have to be careful because Australia, at this time, is simply a housing economy, with so much debt people think it won’t end. After changes in banking and loans house prices have been falling like a stone.

        • “We practically pay China to take LNG from Australia.”
          Hardly. Export markets pay enough that suppliers sell to them in preference to local users. It is just normal market functioning. No-one forces gas suppliers to sell for export. They just make more money doing that.

          • Last time I read info about LNG exports it is sold to China at about AU$4 p/tonne. I say that’s giving it away in my book.

          • we pay around 90c a litre for LPG
            tell me how in hell does the pittance per litres of the sale price to china come close to that?
            remember the huge push to get cars buses and trucks etc to LPG cos it was cheap?
            then they hiked the prices by triple!
            then they still pushed it and offerend a 1k subsidy to convert
            so the conversion cost rose from 1500 to 2,500 overnight.
            if youve even been at a bus stop or behind a LPG gas vehicle the stench is enough to make you ill. Im staying with petrol./diesel if i could afford the repairs on one.

          • Hardly. Export markets pay enough that suppliers sell to them in preference to local users.
            ==≠==
            Nope. Local markets are captive markets. They almost always pay the highest price. The surplus gets dumped offshore at fire sale prices due to international competition.

          • Hardly Mr Stokes. We started giving away the gas to China many years ago. They can’t now get out of the deal without a massive over-reaction from China. The war in the Pacific started over the US curtailing oil to Japan. Does anyone else see the similarities? Bring some more gum drops Harry!

      • China is nowhere near virtuous enough to use wind and solar yet.

        One day they too will get a Halo and become special.

  11. We need to shift our energy consumption to when the sun is shining and the wind is blowing. It’s a small price to pay for climate salvation.

      • Inverter to run a fan from the home battery bank & a battery charger for when power back on to recharge the batteries.

        • Batteries are impractical due to cost, performance and cycle life.

          Consider an RV out camping. They rarely use batteries and inverters. Almost always it is a small gasoline genset.

          • I used inverters & series of 6 volt rechargeable batteries for years in a hot tropical country for years. We regularly experienced grid power outages for 12, or more hours daily.

            The trick was to prioritize using own power & not open fridge unnecessarily. I am aware this is not a way to power air conditioning & modern living appliance loads.

            As for energy efficiency: true there is “waste”, but for independent (self-interest) back-up my set-up worked OK – except when local power was off for 2 days. Strategy was involved: I always assumed the worst & drew from batteries as infrequently as rational to run what I felt needed (subjective decisions).

            I have a hard time believing that almost every modern city dweller in a developed country (ex: Australia) could not afford a small inverter/charger , wires, terminals, amperage rated deep cycle 6 V batteries (2), a small electrical fan & low watt bulbs. Of course a purchasing plan for assembling a back-up (could even be no inverter from 12 volt batteries, but just a charger & deep cycle batteries to run 12 volt light bulbs & 12 volt clip on fans) might strap them for a month,or 2, on funds for their cell phone plan or food calories.

          • “gringojay January 26, 2019 at 9:50 am”

            We can afford the items you mention however, to have them installed would have to be done by an licensed installer, if you want to maintain your building and contents insurance in case of fire. Also, if you don’t own the property you would need to seek approval for an installation. If you live in a block of apartments, you would need all kinds of other insurances, permission from the owner, the body corporation and the strata manager. Of course, that is if you follow the rules.

          • An inverter/charger combo need not be wired into housing circuit just to run pedestal (table) fan & a might light; it’s not big (fans don’t require many watts). The 2 deep cycle 6 volt batteries aren’t going to spontaneously explode placed someplace logical that doesn’t require a long run of + & – “cables” (limit amperage drop) connecting the inverter/charger; current going out from inverter to fan can snake around by regular (flexible, 2 strand) electric wire.

            The whole array is movable (keep batteries off the floor surface by setting on something, like wood) & can be carried inside in 3-4 trips by any adult. It does not involve modification to existing electrical installation.

            As for “why should they have to?”. I like to think nobody in a developed country would need to have back-up power — but apparently some of those in Australia “could” have. In the case of households with geriatric/infirm members it might actually be desirable to have at least a few hours of basic back-up power to help transitioning to new plan of copeing.

    • Yeah, manufacturers will love that. Know what happens when a steel plant loses power?
      And only a few thousands of people will die during the night when a heat wave hits and the air is calm, and during winter blizzards when turbines can’t operate and there is little sun.

      You need power most when conditions are bad, and renewables fail under bad conditions.

  12. I’ll wait for some fact checking…..tens of thousands is only a neighborhood in Chicago.
    Just saying….

    • The key fact is right there in the linked report:
      ““We had enough electricity in South Australia to meet our needs. It was close but we had enough,” Mr Van Holst Pellekaan said.”
      The outages were due to transmission failures, mainly transgormers. These would have been the same whether using coal or renewables.

        • Patrick MJD said:

          “While you are correct, cola is being blamed for the outages”

          Well, the “green” electricity grid is being blamed by Mr Worrall.

          Whatever a “green” grid is suppose to be, and as if we never had such failures in the past on extremely hot days.

        • I mean, what are we talking about?

          Green transformers?

          Green power lines?

          Green coal power plants?

          Aren’t they the bits that failed? Do we demand 100% backup for coal plants? Isn’t requirement a claimed problem with wind and solar?

          Anyway, the government flogged off all the assets, so the power companies do whatever they think will make them the most money. That’s how the free market is suppose to work isn’t it?

      • And almost all the power generated was due to fossil fuels. In the deepest part of the heat wave solar was nil as was wind.

      • How many transformers failed due to brown out, caused by inadequate supply?

        What caused perfectly good transformers that had been working for years to suddenly decide to fail all at the same time?

      • Nick, you have no idea of what your are spouting off about.

        After a career in power systems, I tell you that a system that has to operate at the margin is a disaster.

        All of you arm-chair electric power “experts” can just stuff it! Anybody that listens to you and your dancing politicians deserve what you get. Its just too bad that the rest of us have to suffer for your ideology.

        • Yes – Johannesburg had a transformer failure 18 months ago, and tried to switch to the backup – but couldn’t as a result of the cables to it having been stolen. And this particular transformer was specifically for the mains water supply pumps to JHB. So – for 48 hours, once the water towers ran dry, a large part of Johannesburg was without water.

  13. The lesson that keeps on giving, to the politicians who are not learning. Anybody from Australia tell me: I pay, on a monthly average, anywhere from $0.09 to $0.12 US per kW/hour for my electricity. How much do you pay? If I may politely ask, as I await the ladies’ final at the Australian Open early Saturday morning. Just to see. If you can, please convert from AUS$ too.

    • From my bill paid just 12 days ago it states my average domestic daily usage is 6.03kWh, at an average daily cost of $1.84 AUD or:

      $1.84/6.03 = $0.30 kWh AUD

      Converted to current USD at current rate of $1 AUD = $0.71807 USD

      0.30*0.71807 = 21.9 cents USD per kWh

      That’s in North Queensland where electricity is comparatively ‘cheap’. What it costs per kWh in SA or Victoria over the last billing cycle others can add.

  14. I was a close observer of the recent power grid debacle in Victoria and the minor problems experienced in SA. The power losses in SA were due to transformers in the city overheating and failing. It was not due to a failure in the power grid system itself. But if you were lucky enough to watch the power grid in operation in SA using the NEM and AEMO sites you found yourself drawn to watching little lines go up and down. It was fascinating to see how close SA came to a shutdown. Towards the 7 to 9 pm mark, the wind was down to less than 3 % contribution and total solar was at zero. You could see that all other forms of power contributions were at max as the chart lines were horizontal and did not come off horizontal until 9 pm. SA had all its diesel generators up and running, all its OCGT’s and all its CCGT’s as well as gas steam generators. Not much coming from the interconnector. And the price prediction for this event was $14,500/mwh. And for six hours the price on the AEMO site was $14,500/mwh.

    I live in a southern suburb of Adelaide and I estimate that our household electricity bill will have an additional $150 added to it for this event.

    It is from an event like this that you find out how much you can trust renewables. In this case, not at all. They are a total waste of money. When you need them the most they are incapable of making a difference.

    https://opennem.org.au/#/regions/sa
    https://reneweconomy.com.au/nem-watch/
    https://www.aemo.com.au/Electricity/National-Electricity-Market-NEM/Data-dashboard

  15. Australia 30-40 years ago generated coal-fired electricity at very low cost, among the lowest in the world. It had attracted industries like alumina refining and aluminium smelting, with all their knock-on support industries. We were on top of the world. High employment, high personal income, industries doing well, new industries coming here.
    Then came the guys from Government, “We’re here to help you.”
    Today, our electricity is costly, coal is vilified by many, especially the ignorant and brainwashed, industries are leaving, personal income is stagnant. It is such a dreadful outcome that no fictional script writer could have done so well to create so much harm in such a short time.
    Even young children now gang up to protest the proposed Adani coal mine in Queensland, wanted for coal to prevent poor people in India from dying in large numbers. Such is the power of advertising.
    I have asked our domestic supplier to send me electricity at coal costs of old, while they prattle on about the alleged benefits of renewable energy. They are a new generation. How could they know that renewables had been analysed decades ago and found to suffer from terminal weaknesses? Does not matter, when green ideology controls the mind.
    It is so, so frustrating to see the purposeful wrecking of this once-great country because of dodgy science promoted by dodgy non-scientists.
    I do not know the solution. I fear it is like a population deciding it has to have a war to get back to past standards of living. There are still many older, wiser folk who brought the good times before and can bring them again, but they are treated as lepers by the newcomers, you know, those youngsters who have never felt the thrill of living in and creating good times. There are few good times in the greyness of the gulag we are now in.
    Geoff.

    • “…Australia 30-40 years ago generated coal-fired electricity at very low cost…. attracted industries like alumina refining and aluminium smelting, with all their knock-on support industries. We were on top of the world…..” And an easy target for the Climate carpetbaggers to prove how easy it is to destroy Capitalism by destroying industry.

    • I fully understand your concerns. Many people I know, frustrated by this generation, believe that we can’t vote our way out of this. The people of Australia though voted to put on shackles when they demanded that their means to defend themselves from tyranny be removed from them by the very same people who delight in torturing them.

      In fact, over time I’m not sure that our overlords are even human. More like some otherworld’s alchemical anthroparian or homunculi who are indwelt by demonic spirits who want to cast off modernity, prosperity and human flourishing and drag us into their ongoing darkness of hate, bitterness and Hell that is their worldview.

      This insanity, and the reasonable man’s attempt to understand it is often behind the formation of supernatual religion.

    • Geoff,
      “Then came the guys from Government, “We’re here to help you.””
      The halcyon days you speak of was when electricity was all supplied by SECV (government). Similar in other states. What made the change was privatisation. All of our big generators (including Hazlewood) were built by SECV.

      • Nick,
        Legislation created by the government forced the private power producers to close Pt. Augusta and Hazelwood. Forcing renewables onto the grid created the unstable power grid we find ourselves living under today. Your comment is laughable.

        • Well, firstly, private operators did not build coal generators in Vic or SA. They operated former government stations and closed them when they became unprofitable. That was a business decision, as was their decision not to build new ones.

          • Nick,

            You are being disingenuous in your suggestion that government had nothing to do with the situation in SA or Vic. Both states energy policies were the product of labor legislation. Legislation meant to eliminate coal power generation and promote renewable power generation. You cannot argue this point.

            It was a business decision only in the manner that it was forced on business. And the citizens of SA paid for it on Thursday. New coal power generators were not built because they had no preference on the grid. All preference goes to renewables. You know this.

          • You are wrong Nick. Govn’t policy on coal generation prevents any new plants being built, ever! Hazzlewood closure was decided in Paris because the French company cannot operate in Australia.

          • but Nick the govts flogged them off cheaply to milk a cash cow, remember?
            the cattle being us who had paid many times over for the infrastructure and kept the govt coffers going.
            that weird 80s mindset probably keating and howard? flogging off power water and essentials to OS is what started the slide to poverty and business leaving in droves
            look at the insane road costs now toll roads paying os very well for the same services we used to fund ourselves from rego and gen revenues, the reg rises the fuel excise sucks bigtime and we still have to sell our souls to megacorps to get a road built?

      • Hick,
        Observationally correct, but for the wrong reasons.
        In the 1970-80 decades, mining law in Victoria was so anti-mining that serious miners would not touch Victoria with a barge pole. Hazelwood etc needed coal mines alongside. So they were developed as larger mines/power stations by government.
        You have to modify your criticism of private enterprise with the knowledge that it works best when encumbered least. Much of the mess we have today is because more and more perversions by governments are being placed on private enterprise. They restrict it. The RET is a good example. Subsidies to renewables is another.
        Having tasted the sweet fruit of success of private enterprise a long time ago, I remain enthusiastic about its ability to better us all if only governments everywhere would get out of the bloody way and let the horses run without lead in their saddles.

    • Geoff-
      Alas, I feel that the US is less than 20 years behind you. The battle is lost, despite brave words from people on blogs like WUWT. You won’t find a word about Australia’s electrical power supply problems in the US MSM.

      Trump is an temporary respite on the national level, but the cities are falling all over themselves to follow the UN dictates. I fear for our children and grandchildren – it is the grayness of the gulag that awaits them. I am glad that I will not live to see it. I don’t know the solution either, but perhaps leaving something written about “the thrill of living in and creating good times.” So that our grandchildren will, perhaps, see that there is an alternative to the grayness.

  16. Spare a thought for Australian industry.
    On average we pay more per kW.h than households; sometimes much more.
    We recently released a tender for over 1-million kW.h of electricity for 2019.
    How many responses do you think we got?
    We advised the Liberal party (conservatives in Australia) and guess what their level of interest was?
    Yes you’re correct on both guesses.
    Power generators and distributors are donors to political parties.
    Industry insiders have told us “why sell power cheap to business when we’re making a killing off households”.
    No new electricity intensive business will set-up in Australia again.
    That’s Australia ‘powering forward’; the Liberal party boasts in their flashy ads . . .
    Labor (the left) are worse and about to get into power Federally.
    Australia is going to get a whole lot less attractive for manufacturing investment.

  17. If anyone dies from the heat because they couldn’t run their air conditioners, their families need to sue the politicians for hundreds of millions.

    • So how is it people want to vote for the nu-enagee policies of the left?

      I remember when the then newly elected Premier, Jeff Kennett, called Victoria “an economic basket-case” in the early 1990s (due to socialist debt growth and moribund industrial policies of Labor). Which was right before he used this as the rationale to selling of the State electricity generators.

      And now they’re right back there again, with a freshly elected Daniel Andrews govt, high debt and generators that are already privatized and their efficiency and competitiveness systematically eliminated.

      And they’re not done destroying it yet.

      • Some sporting event is on TV, be it cricket, football, rugby, tennis or some other suck junk on Free To Air TV to the massses.

  18. You can’t increase a battery’s output past it’s “standard rating” to respond to disruptions in the magnetosphere that can only be overcome by increased power output.

    France learned this in 2005.

  19. This is why the govt wants to control your thermostat remotely. They can set it to a comfortable 30 degrees Celsius for every house to avoid the brownouts.

    • I assume you attached an invisible sarc tag to that stevek? 30C is too hot for quite a lot of people, especially those of north European origin and especially if there is high humidity.
      I do think that governments are responsible for the security of the people. They are guilty of traitorous behaviour if they take any actions that destroy that security. These include undermining the power supply that contributes so much to health and well- being as well as military protection against those who would invade us. To blow up the only coal-fired generators in SA is sabotage, no less, and those who caused it to happen should be punished as traitors for treason affecting the security and well-being of the people. Here in Victoria we are heading down the same path. No, I did not vote for the lefty id1ots who are undermining everything that Australians have represented in the past.
      Come on Aussies, wake up to the trait0rs in our midst!

  20. The South Australia blackout was caused by a transformer failure, not a shortage of power availability.

    However, the Vics suffered the results of an enlightened government who closed down their coal-fired power stations.

    Our Green overlords feel we should be prepared for these outages as saving the planet is more important than running air conditioners

  21. Presumably companies selling emergency generators for domestic use will now see a big increase in sales, to people wealthy enough to afford them and before they are made illegal.

    • I mentioned before in another thread, recently I have seen small domestic petrol powered generators advertised on TV here in Australia. Someone has seen the future. Every major city in Australia will become another Lagos.

      • The opportunity to go off grid will only be a temporary option. The left wingers/Greens, have that covered. They will simply make fuel illegal, or so expensive the option will only be available to the political elite or wealthy.
        The complete control of everything is their ongoing ambition. The CAGW/Climate Change scare tactic, has proven better than they could have ever wished for. The world’s entire teaching profession has adopted the mantra, fossil fuels are bad green energy is good. All of our children are now brainwashed into progressing that falsehood.
        The problem we now have is politicised education. Real education along with the previously noble pursuit of knowledge, has been replaced by green propaganda often aided by narrow focus religious ideology.
        We are returning back to the days when those who know the truth are thrown in jail, because their wisdom, is considered dangerous to the elite. The political elite particularly those on the left, now demand their view is the only view. Anyone opposing them gets shouted down, no platformed, alienated, vilified and worse.
        Even nations floating of energy wealth are being destroyed by the left wing zealots. Politicians are using environmentalism as their weapon/instrument of control. The objective is, to destroy energy availability and thus destroy wealth/ capitalism.
        Think Venezuela, Zimbabwe, South Africa. Soon to be followed by….fill in your own blanks.

        • In Lagos, users still have to pay a connection fee to the energy provider even though they don’t actually supply any energy. But yes, the greens are determined to return us to the stone age. Then we can burn rocks!

        • on the pi$$ant house blocks in suburbia finding space to put a genset in?
          then the noise and the regs on times it could be run, ie poolpump noise annoyance regs already and a genny make far more racket
          petrol at 1.32 a litre is cheap now compared to the 1.47 recently charged
          diesels economical but smellier and those generators cost a lot more

          gotta admit im looking for an old Lister etc stationary engine so i can run my bore(only water for fire risk if power goes) and my home rainwater supply pump. kero petrol oil whatevers handy can be used.

      • Individuals are not stupid; they protect themselves and their families when they see the propaganda failing.

  22. Dear Australia,

    The “greens” are really anti-human, and they will use any scam possible to secure their agenda.

    While I don’t wish suffering on anyone, I suspect that until people comprehend the foolishness being foisted on them—and its cost—through their own experiences this same thing will be repeated. Look at the heatwave as a blessing.

  23. Hypocrisy knows no bounds.

    Australia is the number 1 exporter of COAL. We don’t want to burn it because of, well you know, climate change, but we have no problem letting the rest of the world burn it. Has the world gone mad? Don’t answer that, obviously it has.

    Australia set a record for coal exports in 2018. Let that sink in.

    • Australia also set a record for the largest single shipment of coal which, IIRC, was in 2016 or 2017.

  24. I heard the AEMO spokesperson on radio yesterday.
    “unprecedented heat wave” was one of her comments.
    I live in Melbourne (State of Victoria) and this heat wave was one day as far as I am concerned and given that Melbourne uses 90%+ of the power on any given day this was a monumental stuff up. I mean one hot day.
    This was all predicted and there poli speak is just unadulterated “carp”.

  25. 400 Mw of reserve power? There is no reserve powere. They have the hide to ask industrial users to shut down to boost supply to the grid and call that a ‘reserve’. It’s all in 5he language. Orwellian?

    • Whenever an electric utility uses “load shedding” in its resource plan, you know you are in trouble. And whenever the politicians tell you there is no problem because the electric utility’s system didn’t collapse because of its load shedding, you are in deeper, uncorrectable trouble.

      • Dave

        As a friend observed

        “The best part of this insanity is that when there is a power shortage we shut down our biggest, and very often, exporting manufacturing plants. Just shows the priorities here with the main aim to pull the daggy wool over the eyes of citizens for as long as possible. “

    • You better believe it-
      http://www.wattclarity.com.au/articles/2019/01/my-first-look-at-the-highs-and-lows-in-victoria-and-south-australia-on-thursday-24th-january-2019/

      That’s what happens when you have to pay 9 diesel generators to consume potentially 80,000 litres of diesel an hour, major industrial users of electricity to tell their workers to knock off and power users to pay for the lost production, gas peaking plants to spot bid for every ounce of gas available plus all those millions of Tesla 2170 cells to exhaust themselves at Hornsdale not to mention all hands on deck with heat loading and overtime at the coal stations to add more sticky tape and string.

      All because technical illiterates, morons or deliberate liars are Hell bent on disproving a fundamental axiom of engineering, that you can’t build a reliable system from unreliable componentry. They are in complete denial about that now and the only way to redress such idiocy and level the playing field is to legislate that no supplier of electrons to the communal grid can tender anymore electrons than they can reasonably guarantee (ie short of unforeseen mechanical breakdown) 24/7 all year round.

      Of course that exposes what is virtually the greatest form of State sponsored dumping for the scam it really is as large scale wind and solar farms would have to invest in storage to up their average tender or partner with thermal and pay them their just insurance premia or some combination of the two. As for the mums and dads with rooftop solar if they can’t guarantee theirs then keep them for themselves or else invest in battery storage but of course then there’d be none to export. That’s what so many wind and solar spruikers are constantly in denial about. The level playing field.

  26. How crazy is this? Given that too many politicians and other rent seekers embrace the warmist propaganda, and accept ( falsely) that the world will end in 12 years time, instead of ensuring reliable energy to run air-conditioning facilities that WORK 24/7, they cut back on reliable energy and replace it with expensive, totally unreliable energy that would cause deaths in hospitals and old age homes. How stupid and mad is that?

  27. Blackouts in South Australia were caused by transformers and substations tripping, not a lack of generation [1] (per original linked news report):

    Ninety transformers crashed across the state’s transmission network while a substation at Fulham Gardens tripped, leaving 15,000 western suburbs customers without power late yesterday.

    The later “collapse” in Victoria was caused by the breakdown of three coal-fired power stations [2].

    Three generators, two at Yallourn and one at Loy Yang, failed in the lead up to the extreme heat, AEMO chief executive Audrey Zibelman earlier said. Ms D’Ambrosio said the state lost 1800 megawatts of power capacity today. “That is an extraordinary figure to lose… essentially, most of that was a result of failed infrastructure from our coal and gas units, and a decrease in the output of power from those generators that were able to remain in our system.”

    Australia’s electricity grid continues to be one of the most fossil fuel intense in the world [3].

    Sources:
    [1] https://www.9news.com.au/national/2019/01/24/05/54/weather-heatwave-south-australia-victoria-thursday

    [2] https://www.9news.com.au/national/2019/01/25/05/50/victoria-sizzles-as-it-waits-for-an-afternoon-reprieve-as-heat-scorches-most-of-the-country

    [3] https://i.imgur.com/zTgPdIZ.png

  28. Well hang on -Victoria seems to have suffered from failures at COAL plants

    https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/energy-minister-lily-dambrosio-asks-victorians-to-do-our-bit-to-keep-the-lights-on-amid-heatwave/news-story/e0d83b72c1fa2e45b5c5cc25580068c9

    “A fifth of Victoria’s typical power supply was offline during Friday’s heatwave after unit failures at coal-fired power stations.
    The technical dramas at the ageing generators meant the energy market operator was forced to briefly cut power to tens of thousands of homes in order to prevent widespread blackouts.
    As the network was pushed to its limit, Victoria was importing the maximum amount of power from NSW, South Australia and Tasmania, while energy-intensive businesses including the Alcoa smelter powered down.”

    I note also it was importing from SA!

    and this SA outage was due to substation failure:
    https://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/almost-30000-without-power-in-sa/news-story/c102771913811d9f2b1deb7102dba8c0

    I would note also that the duck curve is not going to be a problem given the increasing take up of home battery systems in Australia

    • Govn’t policy prevents energy operators from conducting any serious maintenance on plants that are, in reality, at the end of their lives. No new coal will ever be installed totally and 100% due to Govn’t energy policy. The Govn’y no realising their policy sux, is now trying to force energy generators like ALG to keep coal plants running.

      This will only end in more and more outages and higher and higher costs. Apparently, AU$500 added to energy costs as a result of the outages.

      • The government is not preventing them from doing maintenance. However the government is telling them that they cannot sign long term power contracts with the utilities. As a result on some days they make money on other days they don’t Yet their labor and maintenance costs are fixed. So when they do sell power they have to sell at a higher price to make up for the days they lost money.

        California tried this in 2000 with the additional regulations that a freeze on price the utilities could charge customers. No one was worried about the price freeze because the new system would lower prices. It didn’t. Power prices increased dramatically and despite frequent meetings with governor he did nothing until the utilities field for bankrupt. Then the state started buying power and quickly realized the new market wasn’t working. Which was what everyone was telling them for 6 months. So the state started signing long term power contracts.

        Within a couple months power cost were almost down to pre crisis levels. And then a year later it was learned that Enron (a texas company) was manipulating the natural gas and electricity market to make money. Enron later went bankrupt and the Chairman, CEO, cheif finical officer, and Chief accounting officer were convicted of accounting fraud.

        Since then california has not seen extriemly high power costs and has drastically increase irenewable generation. Power cost are only increasing a about the rate of inflation.

        Australia would probably see a significant improvement in power prices if the day to day market was changed to yearly contracts. This would give the power producers and utilities time to adapt and funds to adapt to the increase in renewables. However doesn’t want to go back to how things were done 20 years ago. Also while no evidence of fraud has been found the market behavior does indicate it might be happening:

        https://reneweconomy.com.au/australian-energy-markets-echoes-enron-crisis-california-57123/

        • Reneweconomy is not a reliable source of information. If there is no Govn’t policy that makes maintaining coal plants unattractive to the company then they would have performed the maintenance.

    • The reason SA was able to import to Vic was a sudden drop in temperatures overnight. No one needed their air conditioners on Friday in SA. SA’s heat wave was on Thursday when it hit 47 in Adelaide and Vic’s was the following day. It was hot as hell here Thursday in Adelaide. Like walking into a blast furnace when you opened the door.

      • If only Hazelwood were up and running instead of expensive wind and solar. But legislative decisions by government officials have made it hard to maintain and run coal plants. When priority is given/mandated to renewables, no operator wants to spend money on coal. Get politicians to change the policies and then there will be enough cheap reliable coal power to run the system. In the mean time we get to pay $14,500/mwh on the hottest days of the year.

    • You neglect to say that a quarter of Victoria’s generation was decommissioned not that long ago and many people warned this would happen.

      • Griff likes to comment on the Australian energy “crisis” (Yeah, we don’t have a climate crisis) using Google hits, mostly the Guardian though.

    • Perhaps we should look at facts, rather than newspaper reports.

      In South Australia, the wind died overnight on the 24th, from producing 1,325MW to a low of just 98MW just after sundown, forcing the use of emergency diesel generators on top of OCGT (these were imported after the big SA blackout). Regional prices remained at or close to the cap of A$14,500/MWh for 5 hours. Imports to SA were constrained by non-availability form Victoria, and indeed for a hour or so, the diesel generators were effectively providing some support to Victoria. Peak demand met was just over 3.3GW and maintained again for several hours. Whatever the niceties of the claims about shutting down or tripping of transformers in the distribution system, essentially it appears as though supply was limited and demand curtailed.

      In Victoria, prices were also clamped close to the cap for the same 5 hours, and wind output was also below par, although the drop was not as dramatic as in SA. Peak demand met was about 9.5GW, somewhat below the 10.2GW peak met on the 25th, strongly suggesting that demand was curtailed. It is not true that Victoria was importing the maximum amount of power: imports from SA were simply not available at anywhere close to the Heywood link capacity on the 24th.

      Meanwhile, in largely coal fired Queensland and NSW there were no shortages.

      Data source: opennem.org.au

    • Get this Griff. There are FOUR THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED and SIXTEEN 2170 lithium batter cells in Tesla’s cutting edge battery technology Model 3 car to drive it very well for a reasonable distance before it needs charging again but not too often with a supercharger as that compromises their longevity. That’s nice but as a BMW exec noted the industry can build a complete ICE car for the price of said reasonable battery pack and as for that coming down with current lithium battery development ‘never, never, never’ in his words.

      We’re supposed to be replacing all the millions of current ICE cars with BEVs like Mr Musks and yet people like you are telling the world that at the same time as fossil fuel use is going to zero useage those very same cutting edge lego bricks will also be used like the biggest collection of them in the world now at Hornsdale in South Australia to smooth both the solar duck curve to moonlight and this roller coaster-
      https://anero.id/energy/wind-energy/2019/january
      https://anero.id/energy/wind-energy/2018/december
      What on earth are you smoking Griff?

    • Once again, griff is proud of himself for bringing up a subject that was covered and explained in the article itself.
      Only, as usual, griff didn’t understand the explanation. Or chose not to.

      • The Green overlords have big plans for Griff in one of their Gigadisposal factories pulling apart all those spent 2170 lego bricks from their Teslas and Big Batteries for the next Great Leap Forward-
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWjG3REOF-M
        If Griff earns enough sustainability points he might get to take some half spent ones home to electrify his pushbike.

    • Griff, I was looking for you to see if you had posted a comment. And of course here you are spouting utter bulsh*t again. Let’s cut to the quick :
      1 :For 5 hours onn Thursday 24th from 3:30pm – 8:30pm the 30 minute settlement price was above $13,000 / MWh. And it was mostly above $14,000/ MWh in Victoria and in SA, it was above 12000 / MWh.

      From 3:30pm – 5pm of the 24th it stuck at the price limit $14,500 / MWh.

      Now that is a huge amount of cash for electrons !!

      https://www.aemo.com.au/………

      And just who was receiving that Motza of cash for power yesterday ?

      Why it was the South Australian government because of the government owned Diesel generators ! Why ? Because your wonderful wind & solar had flopped completely. A few more days like yesterday and there will be no SA budget deficit !

      Retail bills for this essential service are going to go up despite any government promises to reduce consumer prices for power

      When one looks at the inter connector flows during the peak demand (pricing) period, we knew also the bleeding obvious :

      1) Victorian and South Australian demand is highly correlated during extreme heat events

      2) Without Hazelwood, Victoria can no longer act as an effective crutch for South Australia

      3: Without the Port Augusta coal fired plant since 2016, South Australia cannot provide a stable reliable and cheap electricity supply to South Australians.

      http://nemweb.com.au/Report

      The dopey Greenist Labor government that arranged all this for us South Australian thoroughly deserved the spanking it got last March.

      And as Labor is still dominated by this Greenist idiocy, Labor needs a good kick in the bum in May national elections. Whatever happened to labor looking after the interests of the working people of Australia ?

      And finally we now know that Center Alliance ( your own party ) is actually a Greenist Alliance with no input from it’s mere members at all. It’s all decided by a cabal of three or four folk at the top which includes you Griff…

      So rest assured voters in South Australia will be looking out to give your mob a good kick up the arse in may as well.

      We will all feel this in our electricity bills. We will be gouged and gouged again & again until the renewable power madness is stopped.

  29. Their public officials should be given the Mussolini light post treatment but without the guns they gave up years ago it will never happen.

  30. And no, it was not “the hottest day in the city’s history”. Luckily, someone at 2GB radio station in Sydney took the time to check temperature records in Adelaide for the past century and found that in early 1930ties, Adelaide had at least one day warmer by 1°C. This is the usual “hottest ever” BS from Bureau of Meteorology.

  31. While I am against renewables, especially windmills, s, such operators should be compelled to have at the base of each windmill a very large battery, at their expense.. Also they should be required again at their cost to build proper towers for their connection to the grid, plus maintance costs to their very long lines.

    Then of course we might see some steadier power coming from the renewables.

    Of course none of this would happen, as its all “Free Enterprise, which Liberal, conservative govt. approves, and Greens also love as its “Clean”power.

    We cannot win.

  32. One really needs to be a bit careful when pushing a barrow for any cause. I live in rural South Australia. It is worth noting that the blackouts yesterday were caused by the deliberate shutting down of power supply to some areas so that transformers were not damaged in the 45 degree C plus heat. It would have been thought prudent by the managers of the system whether power came from coal, gas, wind, solar or nuclear.
    By the way, my rural community has its wind generated supply backed up by a battery system. It works well.
    The stories you read about of problems with SA’s electricity supply a couple of years ago were largely the result ot extensive storm damage to the distribution network in SA and Victoria.
    T

    • A rural setting, solar, wind and batteries work in small numbers. I lived in rural NZ, the Wairarapa, north of Wellington and was looking at off-grid generation as wind was well in abundance, sun not so much but I had lots of roof space. I then had other priorities and had to move back to the city, Wellington.

      Solar, wind and batteries won’t work in a city, even one as small as Wellington, NZ.

    • A remote rural setting Trevor ?

      Yes I think so..

      Somewhere where nobody lives maybe ?

      so you are Ok and bugger the rest of us ehh !

  33. And my aircon unit has just failed. Looks like the startup capacitor for the compressor is poked. I am glad this happened at the end of the current “heatwave”…looking to spend a day at Westfields tomorrow.

      • Not in a private rental unit. Oh how I wish I had the same “freedom” as Griff and those Australians that I subsidise their solar and battery installations. Alas I can’t as a tenant and in a block of 14 units (Apartments) where can I install solar panels? On the roof of the block? What about the other 13 units? That would look fairly “top heavy” to me and would act more like a sail in a gentle breeze!

  34. From Pliocene times throughout our early Pleistocene Era from 2.6 mm years-before-present (YBP), Earth’s plate tectonic dispositions have driven periodic global Ice Ages averaging 102 kiloyears, interspersed with median 12,250-year interglacial epochs such as the Holocene from c. 14,400 YBP (BC 12,400).

    On this basis, given the 1,500 year cometary/meteoritic Younger Dryas “cold shock” from BC 10,950 – 9,450, Earth’s Holocene Interglacial Epoch ended 12,250+3,500-14,400 = AD 1350, coincident with Kamchatka’s strato-volcano Kambalny Eruption precipitating a 500-year Little Ice Age (LIA) through 1850/1890. Ending the 500-year Medieval Warm, historian Barbara Tuchman calls this “catastrophic 14th Century” the era “when God slept”.

    As “amplitude compression” affects the current 140-year LIA rebound to c. AD 2030 amidst a pending 70-year Grand Solar Minimum similar to that of 1645 – 1715, reducing cyclical fluctuations from 50 years (1940) to forty (1980), thirty (2010), and finally twenty (2030), odds are that any major astro-geophysical event will only aggravate the current 750-year chill-phase (to AD 2100) presaging two miles thick glaciations covering 80% of Earth’s temperate-zone landmasses for nigh 100,000 years.

    For the record, Australian researcher Robert Holmes’ peer reviewed Molar Mass Version of the Ideal Gas Law (pub. December 2017) definitively refutes any possible CO2 connection to climate variations: Where Temperature T = PM/Rp, any planet’s near-surface global Temperature T equates to its Atmospheric Pressure P times Mean Molar Mass M over its Gas Constant R times Atmospheric Density p.

    Accordingly, any individual planet’s Temperature T ∝ PM/p, ie. global atmospheric surface temperature (GAST) is proportional to PM/p, converted to an equation per its Gas Constant reciprocal = 1/R. Applying Holmes’ equation to all planets in Earth’s solar system, zero error-margins attest that there is no empirical or mathematical basis for any “forced” carbon-accumulation factor (CO2) affecting Planet Earth.

  35. Wasn’t there a prior article noting that these Aussies are paying the highest rates in the world? As with most things green, it may be the world’s most expensive, but not expensive enough.

  36. https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2019/01/australia-s-soaring-temperatures-cause-mass-power-outages/

    Australia’s soaring temperatures cause mass power outages
    By Jack Loughran Published Friday, January 25, 2019

    Australia’s power grid has suffered a series of outages after record-breaking heat waves and surging use of air conditioners has left power plants struggling to meet demand.

    Tens of thousands of Melbourne homes and businesses lost power as air-conditioners combating temperatures of 44C taxed the power supply.
    The city on the south coast of Australia was expected to see its hottest day since 7 February 2009 – a day of catastrophic wildfires remembered as Black Saturday.
    That day, the temperature soared to 46.4C, with wildfires killing 173 people and razing more than 2,000 homes in Victoria.
    To shore up the grid, the Australian Energy Market Operator (AEMO) cut power to Alcoa Corp’s Portland aluminium smelter, the biggest consumer in the state of Victoria, for nearly two hours on Thursday evening and on Friday.
    Several other businesses also agreed to wind down operations during the period of extraordinary demand.
    Wholesale power prices in Victoria hit the market cap of A$14,500 (£7,877) per megawatt-hour (MWh) before midday on Friday, earlier than expected, and were forecast to remain there for the rest of the day, National Electricity Market data showed.
    Audrey Zibelman, chief executive of AEMO, which manages the national electricity grid, said three heat-stressed coal-fired generators had failed in Victoria and a fourth was expected to shut down on Friday.

    The grid began loading-sharing as temperatures climbed in the early afternoon, with 30,000 households and businesses at a time being switched off for as long as two hours so supply could keep up with demand, she said.
    Transmission links from the states of Tasmania, New South Wales and South Australia were transferring power to Victoria at full capacity.
    “With all of that, however, we found ourselves short…for up to the next two hours,” she said. “We may have to do more over the course of the afternoon, as the demand continues to increase.”
    Essential services such as hospitals were quarantined.
    The Australian Open tennis tournament in Melbourne invoked its extreme-heat policy on Thursday and closed the main stadium’s roof during a women’s semi-final.
    Bureau of Meteorology forecaster Rob Sharpe said he would not be surprised if this month becomes Australia’s hottest January on record with heatwave conditions likely to persist.
    In South Australia, where power capacity has been beefed up with diesel generators and gas-fired plants over the past two years following a state-wide blackout, 30,000 homes lost power on Thursday after transformers on local power lines overheated and switched off.
    “After days of heat, we were in some uncharted territory yesterday with record heat and record load sustained well into the night,” said Paul Roberts, a spokesman for SA Power Networks, the South Australian local distribution network operator.

  37. Over at Jo Nova’s site is a guy that keeps track of electrical production and the Australian grid. On this post from Jo http://joannenova.com.au/2019/01/nearly-a-billion-dollars-for-electricity-for-just-one-day-500-per-family/#comments

    He comments:

    “TonyfromOz
    January 26, 2019 at 7:01 pm · Reply
    This is utterly and completely a renewables fail
    While renewable supporters would see this as a bold claim to make, it’s absolutely true.
    Yesterday, wind power had a day of slightly above average power generation (CF 32%) and yet, all it could deliver across the whole day was 6.14% of what was actually required.
    Solar Plant Power, at the best time of the year, Mid Summer only managed 1.69% of what was actually required.
    So, Billions and Billions of dollars spent on wind and solar, and it can’t even manage a measly 8% of what is required to run the Country.
    Now just imagine if that’s all there’s going to be in the future.”

  38. I do not wish anyone bad luck when their power goes out. However, one really good disaster in a country that has gone whole hog for “green” power might prove instructive for the rest of the world, if not for themselves. I am optimistic that we can learn from experience.

  39. How many times has the SA grid failed in the past three years now? My guess is five times. And now the sophists are saying it was due to coal plants failing. Sure, in the same way that shooting someone in the knee is their knee simply failing.

  40. I’ve been assured by various Greens, that the problem is not that wind and solar aren’t producing enough power, the problem is that consumers are demanding too much power.

  41. There is so much real scientific evidence that debunks the climate change theory so, why do people vote for politicians that have fallen for that garbage? In a democracy, the people must be to blame for being so gullible.

  42. Gee! The Aussies demolished baseline power plants and now they don’t have enough electricity. Who woulda thunk it?

  43. Such a high concentration of mis-informed, self serving nutters…I was wondering where you lot have been.

  44. ‘Tens of thousands were last night sweltering through a blackout’

    But they felt GREAT! because they were sacrificing for the One World Cause. Few people will have such a great opportunity in their lives.

  45. If you want a source of reliable electricity:

    Big spinning machines
    be it coal, natural gas, or water
    a steam turbine , ctg or hydro
    nothing beats it for reliability and quality

    36 years in the business

  46. Its not clear from this article if the outages are caused by a lack of supply (I doubt it) or thermal impacts on the actual delivery system. Typically when you have a supply constraint, the utility can roll the black outs. And these appear to be very small numbers or customers out, relative to the usual weather related events.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a renewable or bust advocate. But lets represent what the problem really is. Most of the wires and substations would be thermally overloaded at extreme temperatures and demands. That has nothing to do with supply – except that if you had distributed generating resources, you might solve some of the bottleneck.

    Does anyone know if this really is a supply constraint? And if they are mitigating it with rolling black outs (a la California in 2001)

    • Since they had to curtail industrial load to meet demand, there was a supply shortage.

      Since hot weather, combined with high loads, overloaded the sub-transmission and distribution systems, they were inadequately designed and/or maintained.

  47. We are witnessing the phenomenon of unintended consequences – and it will bring about salubrious ones. The realization by energy consumers that they will not be able to depend on electricity grids in the future will (at least it should) spark the development of efficient home or small system devises that are reliable. They might be green and “sustainable” – whatever that means – but they will eventually render grids and mega-generators obsolete. This is the future, efficient on-site electricity generation systems can and will be provided by the marketplace as soon as governments allow it or push people to take matters into their own hands.

    • Technological and human development depends on many individual failures along the way. Governmental enforced individual conformity and pre-selection of technological “winners” ensures we will all be losers. This is one of the reasons that socialistic systems always fail.

    • There are quite a few reasons why economies of scale win out over individual provision in terms of overall efficiency when it comes to electricity. If small were beautiful, we wouldn’t be seeing ever bigger wind turbines for example.

  48. “You can have reliable electricity or you can have renewable electricity but you can’t have both.”

    You certainly can’t have “renewable” electricity if you don’t have reliable electricity to power the economic enterprises who pay the taxes with which governments pay for financial subsidies. Fantasies may be ephemeral but fantasies are neither low cost nor are they renewable except in the imaginations of the dreamers.

  49. Aren’t Tesla’s batteries ready to save the day? I just realized that there is no mention of that expensive battery pack saving the day for Australians.

      • So, 30 MW for 3 hours = 90 MWh. What was the levelized costs per KWh? You know, the present worth costs of government grants, finance payments, land, construction, transmission interconnection, wheeling payments, operation, maintenance, charging, re-charging, degradation of usable capacity, end-of-life replacement, decommissioning, etc.

        Please note that activists, rent-seekers and politicians never tell you that stuff.

  50. What seems to be the problem? Surely all the Right People in Australia have all the power they want. Only those stupid Deplorables have to do without. And who cares about them, anyway? Surely not Their Betters.

  51. What is worse is that this didn’t even happen during a proper Heat Wave.

    The break down of daily temperatures in Adelaide are basically this: Normal Summer, Normal Summer, Normal Summer, Stinking Hot, Cold, Cold, Sunday.

    Yes Thursday was Stinking Hot, but it was a dry heat and to be perfectly honest, not that bad. Sure I would not want to run around in it, but being outside was quite nice and actually better than being inside our office where, due to the air con struggling, it was starting to get quite humid.

    (also driving home was fun while trying to steer without physically touching the steering wheel after again failing to get a parking spot with afternoon shade, but that is any summer day)

    Come Friday however the temps had dropped. It struggled to reach 26C which for this time of the year is about 3C below average and Saturday was pretty much the same.

    So I honestly reject the media claims that this was a Heat Wave. It was one stinking hot day. One. We had one day at the ends of the bell curve and the system partly failed and after this ONE day we get the leader of the Greens telling us we need to use less electricity and we have only ourselves to blame.

    Not good.

  52. Funny that, when there wasn’t a storm blowing down the cables. However South Australians can take comfort from the fact that the power would have gone off 4 minutes earlier were it not for their excellent Tesla storage batteries. It really proves that once renewables go much over 20% the problems start. South Australia is at 28% and the problems are severe and relentless.

  53. There is no such thing as “renewable” energy. Stop lying, call them what they are: UNRELIABLES.

    Cheap, plentiful, and reliable; only true evil tries to change even one of those things. Attacking more than one at once, well…

  54. So why you ask do the voters in both South Australia and Victoria vote for politicians who are all for Green things like windmills and solar panels. Because the politicians run their own poll and they say that is what the public wants.

    So why is that. Well on can blame both the education system which is dominated by Green thinking teacher s, but a lot of the blame is the Media. The Greens very cleverly changed from Global Warming which did not work, to Climate Change. Now we all know that the climate always changes, and the Media know that scary stories sell papers.an d TV advertising time.
    So everything is change, a flood in Queensland when its time for our “Big Wet”, the Asian monsoon. Now this happens every year but it comes after a long dry spell.

    So the media picks up the usual pictures of parched soil, and cattle in distress. Then comes the rain. Wonderfull now we can show floods, and yes lots of dramamatic footage.

    Simply put we are loosing the War. Dr. Gobbles was quite right, “Tell a lie often enough and it becomes the truth”.

    Sadly we will have to wait until the power fails, and enough industry, what is still here in Australia is sent overseas to countries which do not believe in fairy tales.

    MJE

  55. Stup9dity annpys me. In partivu;ar today when its co;or is green. The Aussies tpdemolish their nlast vpal-fired plant and ABD SUDDENLY DISCOVER THEY DO NOT LIKE WHAT THEY GOT. (oR ALTERNATELY, THEY FEEL LIKE MARTTYRS IN A GOOD CAUSE.) fgEMBRER THE eIROPEAN mIDDLE aDE WHEN BEING A MARTYR MEANT BEING BURNT AS A WITCH? tHE GREEBIES DOISASSEMBLING OUR CUVILIZATIONARE AS FAR FROM SAVING OUR CIVILIZATION AS THOSE WITCH-HUNTERSDID WERE FRPM REALITY. tHEY CARE NO MORE FOR VICTIMS OF POWEROUTAGES than the witch hunterrs did when they dragged their victims to yhe burbibg grounds.

  56. I thought that S.A’s renewables were almost 50 %.

    Going on the other States, except Green Victoria, it seems that 5 % renewables is about as high as it should go. The Grid can cope with that without a massive “Back Up of Fossell fuel generaters.
    There are now massive diesel generators in SA is a indication that the previous Labour Govt. which installed them, realised that they ha gone to far in appeasing the Greens. Its ironical as Diesal is the ditirest way to generate electricity if one is worried about CO2.

    m je

    • Ironic? You’d think with a summer election in the offing and The watermelon Labor Gummint announcing they were installing 9 diesel gennys at a cool $10 mill each capable of consuming 80,000 litres of diesel an hour it would have been game set and match for the unreliables drongos. But no they got away with it with the unicorn Tesla Big Battery and Elon playing to the gallery.

      As it transpired we had a cool election summer anyway so they were only fired up for the first time now but the usual suspects are naturally pointing the finger at coal and for them the diesel gennys simply don’t exist. They play the three monkeys like that whilst coal power stations exist but they’re Hell bent on blowing them all up as they wear out with no reinvestment in them. You’d expect the closure of Liddell will disrobe them all but it must happen sooner or later.

  57. The Manager of the CSIRO informed his staff that as he understood things, in regard to Climate Science, it was all “Settled Science”

    Thus he decided to re-employ climate scientists in other studies, but there were so many that he Sacked the rest.

    Big scream from the Greenies and Minister Greg Hunt, a strong Greenie , , and instead the surplus scientists were given new climate reaserch in Tasmania, and thus the jobs in Antarctica. So much for settled science.

    By the way I thought that the Russian had drilled a long way down, “Vostok project. So why are we paying this lot to do more drilling ?

    MJE

  58. Unfortunately, the stupidity of these people who are closing coal fired power stations across the developed world will only be brought home to them when a severe and extended cold spell leads to extended power cuts and to the deaths of large numbers of people from hypothermia. That’s when the chickens will come home to roost and those responsible for their deaths made to answer for it. They are all too thick to realise how close we are to that probability at the present time and that they, and they only, are the cause of such a potential tragedy.

  59. It is folly to assume, given the depth and breadth (and cost) of studies made by government, that any patently predictable result of a government action or program is not intentional and expected. Were blackouts when power was most essential not expected? I would be curious as to how many MPs, how many government officeholders do not have auxiliary generators (inefficiently generating the dreaded greenhouse gasses) at their homes? Given their “Green!” administrative philosophy and their ability to afford them, they’d be fools not to be so prepared. I observe many of the most blatant AGW activists each produce as much atmospheric carbon as a small village – like with private jets to Davos. It’s like a glutton preaching abstinence.

  60. Victoria has banned all gas exploration, conventional or not, ostensibly to protect farmers, but its really about protecting from climate disruption. Protecting from energy disruption is a distant second.

    • “Victoria has banned all gas exploration, conventional or not, ostensibly to protect farmers, but its really about protecting from climate disruption. Protecting from energy disruption is a distant second.” Crikey, these best friends of farmers would get a rude shock if they ever visited Los Angeles that has had some 15,000 hydrocarbon wells drilled throughout the city and environs, quite a few of which continue to add to the billion barrels or so extracted to date.

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