Democrats Failing to Control Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s Green Revolution

Left Official Portrait of Nancy Pelosi. Right Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. By El Borde, CC BY 3.0, Link

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Democrats are reportedly desperate to rein in Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s wild attacks on the Democrat establishment, such as her fury at being denied her new green deal, but at the same time they are terrified of upsetting her.

Exasperated Democrats try to rein in Ocasio-Cortez

The effort is part carrot, part stick. But it’s far from clear the anti-establishment political novice can be made to play ball.

By RACHAEL BADE and HEATHER CAYGLE 01/11/2019 05:03 AM EST

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is already making enemies in the House Democratic Caucus — and some of its members are mounting an operation to bring the anti-establishment, democratic socialist with 2.2 million Twitter followers into the fold.

Incumbent Democrats are most annoyed by Ocasio-Cortez’s threat to back primary opponents against members of their ranks she deems too moderate. But their frustration goes beyond that: Democratic leaders are upset that she railed against their new set of House rules on Twitter the first week of the new Congress. Rank and file are peeved that there’s a grassroots movement to try to win her a top committee post they feel she doesn’t deserve.

It’s an open question whether Ocasio-Cortez can be checked. She’s barely been in Congress a week and is better known than almost any other House member other than Nancy Pelosi and John Lewis. A media throng follows her every move, and she can command a national audience practically at will.

Still, fellow Democrats are giving it their best, or planning to in the near future.

So far, most of them have kept their criticism of Ocasio-Cortez private, fearful she’ll sic her massive following on them by firing off a tweet. But a few are engaging with her in the hopes she’ll opt for a different M.O., especially when it comes to trying to take out Democrats in primaries.

Ocasio-Cortez is an enigma to most House Democrats. She’s very friendly in person, chatting up fellow lawmakers and security workers in the Capitol as she’s tailed by admirers and reporters.

Then they see the Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter, where she frequently snaps at critics and occasionally at fellow Democrats. When House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) told reporters that a new climate committee that Ocasio-Cortez championed would not have subpoena power, she retweeted the news and chastised Democratic leadership.

Our goal is to treat Climate Change like the serious, existential threat it is by drafting an ambitious solution on the scale necessary — aka a Green New Deal — to get it done,” she said. “A weak committee misses the point & endangers people.”

Read more: https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/11/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-democrats-establisment-1093728

My prediction – Democrats who hoped to ride her popularity to victory will fail to control Ocasio-Cortez.

The 2020 Democrat Presidential challenger will be Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Because in the harsh glare of Ocasio-Cortez’s green left extremism, Democrat moderates will look like sellouts, and will fail to inspire their base.

Correction (EW): Thanks Scott and everyone else for pointing out I forgot the 35 year minimum constitutional age limit on being President. I guess those founding fathers knew what they were doing. Fixed a typo (h/t Marcus).

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scott
January 13, 2019 10:08 am

So are you saying that the age limit on the presidency will be thrown Under the bus? Occasional cortex is only 29 she can’t run for office until 2024.

Notanist
Reply to  scott
January 13, 2019 10:22 am

What’s the problem? All she has to do is self-identify as a 35-year old.

E J Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Notanist
January 13, 2019 10:29 am

Would her chances improve further if she identifies as black lesbian? For that matter would I qualify with a chance if I identify as black american female?

Klem
Reply to  E J Zuiderwijk
January 13, 2019 10:44 am

I was hoping Trump would self identify as a female for a week or two, then he could claim to be the first female president.

James Fosser
Reply to  E J Zuiderwijk
January 13, 2019 1:56 pm

Only if you had one leg as well and were either gender fluid, gender neutral or non binary (You would be a shoo in if you were the lot).

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  James Fosser
January 14, 2019 6:27 am

Just set a round cube up on a lectern, and you’ve got your candidate.

Reply to  Notanist
January 13, 2019 11:00 am

“Self identifying” as a 35 year old is somewhat impeded, when you have the consciousness of a child.

RLu
Reply to  Notanist
January 13, 2019 11:27 am

Ted Cruz was born in Calgary and Marco Rubio’s parents where not naturalized citizens at his birth. A moldy piece of paper did not stop them … or that Kenyan-Indonesian guy.

The Republicans should ask former Mayor of London, Boris Johnson to run in 2024. He has the same hair.

David Dirkse
Reply to  RLu
January 13, 2019 11:34 am

Last I heard that Kenyan-Indonesian guy was born in Hawaii.

Mike McMillan
Reply to  David Dirkse
January 13, 2019 3:38 pm

That, unfortunately, like his school records, SATs, and actual accomplishments, is something the NSA is unable to find out.

David Dirkse
Reply to  David Dirkse
January 13, 2019 3:49 pm

ROTFLMAO: —–> NSA
….
It’s a domestic issue, try FBI

JohnOfEnfield
Reply to  RLu
January 13, 2019 11:40 am

Unfortunately Boris has just surrendered his USA citizenship. He didn’t like the Capital Gains Tax when he sold his private residence.

MarkW
Reply to  RLu
January 13, 2019 11:47 am

If your parents are citizens, or if you are born inside the territorial US, then you are a natural born citizen.

brightdark
Reply to  MarkW
January 13, 2019 12:14 pm

Let us not get into the ‘natural born citizen’ crap again…

James Fosser
Reply to  MarkW
January 13, 2019 1:59 pm

What if you were born on a foreign registered plane flying in American airspace?

MarkW
Reply to  MarkW
January 13, 2019 7:56 pm

That would be an interesting test case.

I read somewhere that air marshalls, even on US chartered planes, aren’t able to make arrests once the plane enters another countries air space. If that is the case, I suspect the baby would be a US citizen.

Don Perry
Reply to  RLu
January 13, 2019 2:44 pm

That so-called “moldy piece of paper” provides citizenship to both Cruz and Rubio as natural-born citizens, not naturalized citizens. Cruz was born to a mother who is a US citizen. Rubio was born in Miami and, born on US soil, is, as are so-called “anchor babies”, a natural-born citizen. There is NOTHING in their citizenship that is contrary to that “moldy piece of paper”. That “moldy piece of paper” is still the basis of US law, relevant and applicable.

Walter Woodland
Reply to  Don Perry
January 13, 2019 8:49 pm

You appear confident so maybe you’ll be the one to clear it up. I find the term Natural Born used twice in the body of U.S. law. Once in Article 2 of the U.S. Constitution and, second, the First Congress (1790) passed legislation extending Natural Born status to children “born beyond sea or out of the limits of the United States” to U.S. citizen parents (plural) PROVIDED that citizenship will not be extended to any child whose father has never resided within the United States. And, of significant note is the act of the Third Congress (1796) where they repealed the entirety of the 1790 Act then enacted new legislation that extended citizenship to the same group of overseas born children but withheld “Natural Born” citizenship. Beyond that I find ample legislative updates and amendments to citizenship status and conferral but I’ve been unable to find where Natural Born status has been extended beyond children born on U.S. soverign territory to U.S. citizen parents with special emphasis on the status and residency of the father. Perhaps you’ll point me to the relevant section of the U.S. code.

Rocketscientist
Reply to  RLu
January 13, 2019 7:50 pm

The qualifications to be a senator or be a congressional representative are different that those for presidency:

Article I, Section 2 of the Constitution sets three qualifications for representatives. Each representative must: (1) be at least twenty-five years old; (2) have been a citizen of the United States for the past seven years; and (3) be (at the time of the election) an inhabitant of the state they represent.

Article I, Section 3, of the Constitution, sets three qualifications for senators: (1) they must be at least 30 years old; (2) they must have been citizens of the United States for the past nine years or longer; and (3) they must be inhabitants of the states they seek to represent at the time of their election.

R Shearer
Reply to  Rocketscientist
January 13, 2019 8:25 pm

They shouldn’t have dual citizenship in my opinion, and yet many senators and representatives, and at least one state governor have dual citizenship with Israel.

Richard
Reply to  Notanist
January 13, 2019 11:51 am

So, can I, having spent six and a half decades sliding down that slippery slope toward the final instant of ‘enlightenment’, self-identify with my immature inner 12 year old? I already act that way.

KaliforniaKook
Reply to  Notanist
January 13, 2019 1:11 pm

That’s been tried (changing your birth year) in a court of law (albeit not an American court, IIRC). The male in question claimed he had the health and fitness of a 45 YO, and would have better job opportunities if allowed to change his birth year.
Judge didn’t buy it. Not sure why. Should try again – in the Ninth Circus Court.

GoatGuy
Reply to  Notanist
January 13, 2019 1:15 pm

Major LOL, that. I was having yet-another-cuppa, and on reading your comment, it came flying out of my nose, like a firehose. Sobering. Now I’m cleaning up the keyboard and nursing a mouse. Thanks for the humor. GoatGuy

john
Reply to  Notanist
January 13, 2019 1:53 pm

Shhhhh!

Rhoda R
January 13, 2019 10:09 am

I don’t think she’ll be old enough to run in the 2020 elections. I hope by the time the 2024 elections come along that she’ll have burnt herself out.

Bill Powers
Reply to  Rhoda R
January 13, 2019 1:19 pm

Not likely. This young woman female freshman congress critter gets completely outsized media attention and the depressing part is that practically nobody in the Propaganda Press (aka the MSM) is pointing out how idiotic her comments are or how stupid she sounds. But it seems that “stupid” is what we are teaching in public schools in this new millennium. by 2024 the baby boomer population will have diminished by another 25 percent and registered but supremely ignorant millennials will outnumber reasoned voters. Right now the odds are even money she gets elected President in 5 more years. Just scatter my ashes before that happens.

Reply to  Bill Powers
January 13, 2019 2:28 pm

She is being treated the way Obama was, for the same reason.

Reply to  Rhoda R
January 13, 2019 2:05 pm

She won’t burn out. She has the supreme confidence of the enlightened ideologue. She is the harbinger of social justice warriors mass produced by academia. This article is an eye-opener: https://amgreatness.com/2019/01/12/why-ocasio-cortez-cant-be-wrong/

“Ocasio-Cortez is ideologue. She can’t “lose” and she is not humbled when she cannot answer a simple policy question or is abjectly wrong about a subject, because she thinks ideologically. Her answers, outlook, and attitude are predetermined absolutely, because they are all derivations of an ideology that is utterly shock-proof. There is no experiment, fact-check, or body of evidence potent enough to disarm her, plainly because a person who thinks ideologically will not be allow themselves to be refuted.”

commieBob
Reply to  Ron Clutz
January 13, 2019 6:49 pm

Ontario Canada’s former premier, Kathleen Wynne is a dangerous ideologue and became hated by the citizens who dumped her and her party in the last election. link The problem with being an unbending ideologue is that eventually you give everyone a reason to hate your guts.

Ian
January 13, 2019 10:09 am

It’s difficult to imagine a more effective strategy
to drive voters to Trump.

BernardP
Reply to  Ian
January 13, 2019 10:54 am

Exactly. She is a loose cannon. The more she manages to move Democrats to the Radical Left, the more Trump will appear to be a reasonable centrist.

JimM
Reply to  Ian
January 13, 2019 11:25 am

Watch for a third party move by either the far or center left in 2020. Cortez is driving a wedge in the Democrat part that will only get deeper. She is demanding power and control that the party leadership is not going to give up willingly.

Better for Trump, worse for the country. I hold the primary, secondary and university education system responsible for this mess. We are programing our next generation and not empowering them with the reasoning and critical thinking skills they so desperately need.

Bad days coming.

Ian
Reply to  JimM
January 13, 2019 2:10 pm

You’ve hit the nail on the head. A society’s future is shaped by its education system,
most importantly by higher education. It’s been infiltrated if not overtaken
by Marxist ideologues – Ocasio-Cortex is the iconic product.

This culture thrives on the destruction of critical thinking,
intimidation and censorship that’s used to silence discussion and discovery.
Hence the grossly one-sided treatment and support of climate.
Replacing critical thinking is blind acceptance of ideology – “a global village”.
Climate change is but a tool to achieve this ideological goal.

The only way to reverse the downward spiral is to restore critical thinking.
That requires the representation of all views – informed insight – just as in a court of law.
So long as government money is permitted to stream to one side,
a predetermined answer is what the education system will pursue.

https://youtu.be/iKcWu0tsiZM

MarkG
Reply to  Ian
January 13, 2019 6:03 pm

“A society’s future is shaped by its education system”

For most of human history, there was no such thing as an ‘education system’. Most kids learned by working with their parents and only a small minority spent time in schools and universities.

Modern ‘education’ was invented by the Prussians for indoctrinating kids to do what they’re told, and the left just took it over to indoctrinate the kids into Marxists. Which is why the West is in such a mess; the right handed their kids to Marxists and expected them to come out as something else.

Fortunately, an ‘education system’ is a huge anachronism in a world where anyone can study any subject they want with the best teachers in the world, and will soon be impossible to justify.

Wayne Job
Reply to  MarkG
January 13, 2019 8:39 pm

In the early part of last century,teachers were taught that their job was to teach children how to teach themselves. The education system has been hijacked by mongrels and the modern teachers have not a clue.

Reply to  MarkG
January 13, 2019 9:16 pm

No, no, no. Many people are born with their own minds, and cannot be subverted with illogical premises. It has always been so. Yes the Universities have become cesspools of mendacity, even so in 1978 when I began at The Big U, and yet independent thinking has not passed from this Earth.

Stop already…

MarkW
Reply to  Ian
January 13, 2019 8:02 pm

During the 80’s and 90’s, campus radicals would routinely shout down any speaker that they disagreed with.
By the time the 2000’s had rolled around, the radicals controlled the campuses and the number of conservatives invited to these campuses dropped to zero.

The fascinating thing is that these mental midgets actually managed to convince themselves that they were striking a blow for free speech, by shutting down any and all speech they disagreed with.

Reply to  MarkW
January 14, 2019 2:26 am

“The fascinating thing is that these mental midgets actually managed to convince themselves that they were striking a blow for free speech, by shutting down any and all speech they disagreed with.”

They’d read Marcuse’s Repressive Tolerance.

Latitude
Reply to  Ian
January 13, 2019 12:22 pm

democrats this time around are going to be a hoot….they are scattered to the 4 winds….will have at least a dozen candidates attacking each other and tearing each other apart….they will all try to out tax and out green each other…

and Occasional Horse Teeth is a twitter star……….and commands a large percentage of their base….that are all about policies the democrats know they can’t win on

Tom Halla
January 13, 2019 10:11 am

Ocasio Cortez will not be eligible in 2020, as she will have not turned 35, the Constitutional minimum age to be President.

Steve Clough
Reply to  Tom Halla
January 13, 2019 12:31 pm

What Constitution?

MarkG
Reply to  Tom Halla
January 13, 2019 6:05 pm

And who’s going to stop her?

You think her followers care what an old piece of paper says?

Jim
January 13, 2019 10:12 am

“My prediction – Democrats who hoped to ride her popularity to victory will fail to control Ocasio-Cortez.”

Fortunately you must be 35+ to be eligible for either President or Vice-President.

Reply to  Jim
January 13, 2019 11:44 am

She can do all the damage to the dems without needing to be 35. Trust me, she will not be president anyway. History is moving away from her direction.

January 13, 2019 10:16 am

She is not eligible to run for president she is only 29.

Marcus
Reply to  MIKE MCHENRY
January 13, 2019 10:47 am

Since when have democrats or liberals ever worried about pesky little crumbs like laws or the Constitution…

Ian
Reply to  MIKE MCHENRY
January 13, 2019 10:57 am

“she is only 29”

…biologically.

Don Perry
Reply to  Ian
January 13, 2019 2:49 pm

Neurologically, about 14.

John Endicott
Reply to  Don Perry
January 14, 2019 5:24 am

Don you are being very insulting…. to 14 year-olds. You own all 14-year olds an apology for that comment 😉

Caligula Jones
Reply to  Don Perry
January 14, 2019 9:59 am

No, you have to mark progressives on the curve, so to speak.

They believe 5 year-olds can choose their gender, and 14 year-olds should be able to vote.

Or the other way around, hard to keep track.

Fred Middleton
January 13, 2019 10:19 am

Usually with $$ given to freshman Representatives for Political Standard appearances would fold the freshman into the Cartel Party organization. AOCortez may have some of the Pres 45Trump distracting independence.

Not a supporter, but this Representative has skill attracting attention.

J Mac
January 13, 2019 10:23 am

Socialist Sandy Cortez’s modus operandi is “Winning by tantrum and backstabbing!”
She is the result of her parents not disciplining her tyro tantrums as a child.
What you tolerate is what you get more of…..

Tom Halla
Reply to  J Mac
January 13, 2019 10:29 am

She went by Sandy Ocasio in high school, not Cortez.

cerescokid
Reply to  Tom Halla
January 13, 2019 1:52 pm

I knew lots of Sandys in high school. All of them forgettable. On the other hand Alexandria has panache. Then add a hyphenated last name, you have a winner.
Ol’ AOC has the Dems frothing. What’s not to like.

She is a total airhead. But I’m of two minds. Her ideas are leftwing loon stuff. But knowing what she is doing to the Democrats leave me tingling with schadenfreude. I’m looking forward to her next video doing the boogaloo outside her office door.

Reply to  J Mac
January 13, 2019 4:09 pm

Socialist Sandy Cortez’s modus operandi is “Winning by tantrum and backstabbing!”
Nothing new. The Dems like Biden and Feinstien and Schumer (etc.) have been backstabbing and throwing tantrums for decades. (A few decade ago I watched CSPAN alot. ( Schummer was just a Rep then.))
The “tantrums” were more civil then.
They’re just upset that she’s prematurely exposing the real goal they’ve worked on for so long is nonsense.
(She is a product of their “education”system.)

PS After Hillary lost, didn’t Obama tell one of his people that “Maybe we should have waited another ten years.”?

Reply to  Gunga Din
January 13, 2019 4:17 pm

MODS!
Messed up the blockquote.
It should have ended after – backstabbing!”-

PS Thanks for what you do.

kent beuchert
January 13, 2019 10:23 am

Ah, yes, the briliant govt thinker who listed the three branches of govt as the Senate, the House, and the Presidency. Someone tell this historically ignorant girl that the original New Deal was a big flop – it caused the “Depression within a Depression” in 1937. The economy didn’t resume expansion until FDR gave up on the New Deal as war loomed and he needed support for his war policies, fought against by the isolationists.

David Dirkse
Reply to  kent beuchert
January 13, 2019 10:44 am

Beuchert says: “The economy didn’t resume expansion until FDR gave up on the New Deal”

False.

FDR was sworn in March 4, 1933. and instituted the “New Deal” in the next 100 days.

Here is the result:
..
http://static.cdn-seekingalpha.com/uploads/2009/10/30/336665-125687893092903-Howard-Richman_origin.png

Jim G
Reply to  David Dirkse
January 13, 2019 11:05 am

Huh?
Are you suggesting that economic tinkering has an immediate effect?

Four years isn’t that long to have a big impact.

Ross Perot’s 1992 prediction of the sucking sound of jobs going to Mexico from NAFTA approval took about a decade for its effects to really start impacting manufacturing jobs.

David Dirkse
Reply to  Jim G
January 13, 2019 11:19 am

FDR’s New Deal had an immediate effect, as the graphic shows.

Marcus
Reply to  David Dirkse
January 13, 2019 11:54 am

OOOH! More “Fake News” ( and graphs )..lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recession_of_1937–38

David Dirkse
Reply to  David Dirkse
January 13, 2019 2:11 pm

Marcus fails for two distinct reasons. First and foremost, recessions are defined not by rising unemployment, but by falling GDP. In fact the definition of a “recession” is two successive quarters of declining GDP

The 2nd thing you fail for is using Wikipedia

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  David Dirkse
January 14, 2019 8:21 am

David fails reading comprehension, as the article clearly states the economy went into a 13 month contraction. That’s over four (4) quarters, for the math-challenged like David.

MarkW
Reply to  David Dirkse
January 13, 2019 11:52 am

If you are going to make it up, might as well go whole hog.

David Dirkse
Reply to  MarkW
January 13, 2019 12:01 pm

Prove me wrong Mr. MarkW

MarkW
Reply to  David Dirkse
January 13, 2019 1:45 pm

Again?

David Dirkse
Reply to  David Dirkse
January 13, 2019 2:02 pm

Try for the first time

MarkW
Reply to  David Dirkse
January 13, 2019 8:03 pm

Just because it makes you look bad, is not proof that it’s wrong.

Marcus
Reply to  David Dirkse
January 13, 2019 11:57 am

“FDR’s policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate”

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409

David Dirkse
Reply to  Marcus
January 13, 2019 2:06 pm

Marcus forgot to read the part that says: “to use the 1929 benchmark to figure out what prices and wages would have been during every year of the Depression had Roosevelt’s policies not gone into effect.”

Duh…..cherry picked starting point? Was the 1929 benchmark before or after October of 1929?

It’s impossible to calculate what would have happened without the New Deal.

MarkW
Reply to  David Dirkse
January 14, 2019 6:59 am

This is the kind of magical thinking that is so prominent in leftists.
The economy improved, a liberal is in office, therefore the improvement was due to the liberal.

I remember when Clinton was elected, several months prior to the election, much less Clinton taking office, the economy started to improve. Several prominent leftists declared that the only reason why the economy improved was that the financial markets realized Clinton was going to win the election.

On the other hand, they are still trying to claim that everything good that has happened since Trump was elected was the result of the groundwork that Obama laid down.

meiggs
Reply to  kent beuchert
January 13, 2019 1:10 pm

The New Deal is the Old Deal – More War 4 mo’ morons…mo’ 2 come…

Tom Abbott
Reply to  kent beuchert
January 13, 2019 3:44 pm

After FDR served four terms as president (he died in Office during his fourth term), the 22nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution was voted into law limiting presidential terms to two.

Robertvd
Reply to  kent beuchert
January 13, 2019 4:07 pm

The US really thinks it needs a Great Leap Forward ?? Especially high ranking democrats could be in BIG trouble. This girl has no friends and does not tolerate competicion.

E J Zuiderwijk
January 13, 2019 10:26 am

She will only calm down once she realises that that ‘existential threat’ does not exist. Whether she will then have the courage to tell her 2.2 milion ‘followers’ remains to be seen.

Reply to  E J Zuiderwijk
January 13, 2019 11:53 am

Her followers will figure out what photosynthesis is long before she does.

meiggs
Reply to  ladylifegrows
January 13, 2019 1:14 pm

Buy pot stox…

Ve2
Reply to  E J Zuiderwijk
January 13, 2019 1:51 pm

It’s a Greenie, she could be wading to work through 6 feet of snow and still be complaining about Global Warming.

John Robertson
January 13, 2019 10:31 am

Politics has been defined as “Acting for ugly people”.
President Trump has been hugely entertaining in a “Master Showman meets Ugly Actors” kind of way.
This Ocasio Cortez is full blown progressive politics, appearance is all,content and substance are absent.She is beyond reason so control is unlikely.
For two years we have been treated to president Trump trolling the press,the uni-party and living rent free in the minds of people who have T.D.S.(.Trump derangement syndrome is amazing to watch.)

The desperate divisiveness of our progressive comrades is coming home to roost, the Democrats will eat their own.
Those democrats who actually represent their voters will most likely end up supporting the Trump agenda.
Buy popcorn.

Don Perry
Reply to  John Robertson
January 13, 2019 2:57 pm

I’m about to turn 76 years old and I still vividly remember my grandfather telling me when I was 14, “Donny, if I had the choice of voting for the devil or a Democrat, I’d vote for the devil”. I now fully appreciate his comment and find myself repeating it.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  John Robertson
January 14, 2019 8:26 am

AOC campaigned for Bernie Sanders. She may call herself a Democrat, but she’s a hard-core Socialist with heavy Marxist tendencies. She is the future of the Democrat party; all you need to do is recall how close Bernie came to being the Democrat nominee. That flood hasn’t crested yet and will find a comfortable home among the 47% of tax filers who don’t pay federal income tax.

Harry Passfield
January 13, 2019 10:33 am

Why not just ask her to justify her belief in AGW (CC does not qualify)? She is praying on (disputed) science and cannot use the so-called consensus – if such exists – and needs to give solid reasoning for her stand, as she would be expected to for any other political standpoint.

I really do not think she has the intellect to argue the case. But then, that’s politicians for you (Gore is a classic case)

Ferdberple
Reply to  Harry Passfield
January 13, 2019 11:20 am

Politics is Sales. Emotions sell. Facts do not.

A politicians gets elected by making the voter feel their voice will be heard. That the voter will be in the driver’s seat.

Trump did this. Bernie as well. Hillary did not.

The problem is the beaucracy. They hate politicians they cannot control, because they very much feel that they know better than the voters what is best for the country.

Capell
Reply to  Ferdberple
January 13, 2019 11:35 am

‘Politics is Sales. Emotions sell. Facts do not.’

Excellent.

meiggs
Reply to  Capell
January 13, 2019 1:21 pm

You don’t git rich selling people what they need…you git rich selling them what they want…

Reply to  Harry Passfield
January 13, 2019 11:25 am

Harry,
People like her who accept the legitimacy of the IPCC as the arbiter of what is and what is not climate science consider its position infallible, refuse to consider anything else and that justification is just a matter of referencing the consensus surrounding IPCC reports. It’s interesting how those within a loop of circular reasoning can’t see out of the loop they’re in.

January 13, 2019 10:35 am

To boil this down, Democrats want to spend trillions of dollars to remove the energy equivalent of 3.34 seconds of sunlight from the system.

It only takes the sun 1.16 hours to warm the oceans as much as Anthropogenic CO2 does in 1,250 hours.
https://co2islife.wordpress.com/2019/01/12/an-einstein-thought-experiment-on-climate-change/

Ken Irwin
Reply to  CO2isLife
January 13, 2019 11:48 am

Excellent – I long ago conducted similar thought experiments – as an engineer – and quickly concluded that the whole AGW etc. etc. was utter nonsense.
We can go back to neolithic existence by eliminating all our energy and buy maybe 7 hours on the existential threat of catastrophic global warming.

meiggs
Reply to  CO2isLife
January 13, 2019 1:30 pm

1.40E+08 area of ocean sq mi, http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/8o.html
3.90E+15 area of ocean sq ft
6600 ft wuwt depth of interest
2.58E+19 ft^3, vol of interest
1.58E+17 Whr total world primary energy supply annual
5.37E+17 btu
1.60225E+21 lbs wtr wuwt in interest
0.0002 C, dT/yr
0.003 C, 2018 margin of error wuwt
16.100 error margin is 16x TPES in the top 2000 meters
5367 yrs at present TPES to lift top 2000 m 1C

But…if it becomes water vapor then the case is made…it’s the end of the world!

Caligula Jones
Reply to  meiggs
January 14, 2019 10:04 am

Heh. I “casually” brought up water vapour in a discussion with a progressive/greenie weenie once.

Her: We need to heavily tax CO2 so that bad industries will shut down!

Me: But water vapour far, FAR outweighs CO2 as a “greenhouse gas”. It would make more sense to shut down Niagara Falls and all that mist…

Her: WHAT?!?

Me: EXACTLY!…

Marcus
January 13, 2019 10:36 am

Eric ,

“Democrats are reportedly desperate (to)? rein in Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s wild attacks

Marcus
January 13, 2019 10:39 am

There is no such thing as a “democratic socialist” ! IMHO….

MarkW
Reply to  Marcus
January 13, 2019 1:46 pm

One man, One vote, One time

Craig from Oz
Reply to  MarkW
January 13, 2019 4:00 pm

“I am the man, and *I* have the vote.”

or as Richie Benaud used to say in the parodies, “We’re a team, and we’re doing it my way.”

martin weiss
January 13, 2019 10:40 am

FoxNews should give her 5 minutes every day to say whatever is on her mind. Could call it ‘an ocasio minute’.

A terrific ratings move.

Newminster
Reply to  martin weiss
January 13, 2019 12:25 pm

Would she need five minutes?

meiggs
Reply to  martin weiss
January 13, 2019 1:39 pm

Gr8 ider, I’ll let Tucker know…he covers female circumcision in the USA and is so fair and balanced that he never mentions the other kind…looks like a match made in Hollywood!

JohnB
Reply to  meiggs
January 13, 2019 3:53 pm

That might be because one has a medical justification and the other does not.

MarkW
Reply to  JohnB
January 14, 2019 2:10 pm

More likely it’s because one does no harm, and the other is designed to harm.

Gary Ashe
January 13, 2019 10:45 am

It will not because of the below at all.
But because the Left are obsessed by celebrity, and who they think are nice, or great.

The fact the person in question couldn’t run a raffle has no bearing in the matter, cos their great innit.

The 2020 Democrat Presidential challenger will be Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Because in the harsh glare of Ocasio-Cortez’s green left extremism, Democrat moderates will look like sellouts, and will fail to inspire their base.

”The 2020 Democrat Presidential challenger will be Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Because in the harsh glare of Ocasio-Cortez’s green left extremism, Democrat moderates will look like sellouts, and will fail to inspire their base.”

It is why rational people vote for rational people, even tho the options are sometimes limited to the least irrational of choices.

Climate Heretic
Reply to  Gary Ashe
January 13, 2019 3:01 pm

She will not be a presidential candidate in 2020. Because she is 29 years old and you have to be 35 years old according to the united constitution.

Regards
Climate Heretic

GeoNC
January 13, 2019 10:51 am

God save the republic from an electorate stupid enough to elect an idiot like this.

iflyjetzzz
Reply to  GeoNC
January 13, 2019 6:38 pm

Every nation gets the government it deserves.
-Joseph de Maistre
French lawyer, diplomat, writer, philosopher

(often misattributed to more famous historical figures)

James Duncan
Reply to  iflyjetzzz
January 13, 2019 10:12 pm

Every family gets the dog they deserve.

Every generation gets the music they deserve

AGW is not Science
Reply to  GeoNC
January 15, 2019 9:42 am

It (the electorate stupid enough to elect Occasional Cortex) is called “New York,” mostly “downstate.”

Caligula Jones
Reply to  AGW is not Science
January 15, 2019 11:43 am

Well, depending on the political system, technically only a small percentage of a small percentage of eligible voters actually put people in office.

Here in Canada, only 26,391 people actually voted for Justin Trudeau…

u.k.(us)
January 13, 2019 11:04 am

“Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.”

― Napoleon Bonaparte

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Seems the young lady is learning on the job, I’m sure She’ll come around.

meiggs
Reply to  u.k.(us)
January 13, 2019 2:03 pm

Excellent!, NP quote that is

Tim Ball
January 13, 2019 11:11 am

The old French adage says the higher up the tree the monkey goes the more it shows its derriere. And NO, for all the politically correct people who will try to defend the woman, I am not calling her a monkey. I am citing her as an example of the adage.

ScienceABC123
January 13, 2019 11:12 am

The Democrats have created a monster in Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. She’s grown-up believing every lie they’ve told her. Now they don’t know what to do with such an fervent believer.

icisil
Reply to  ScienceABC123
January 13, 2019 11:54 am

The same has happened on college campuses, where professors become victims of abusive college students indoctrinated in college-taught identity politics, e.g., Bret Weinstein Evergreen College.

meiggs
Reply to  icisil
January 13, 2019 1:46 pm

It’s…it’s…It’s like thermodynamics…what goes around….comes around……

Paul Milenkovic
Reply to  ScienceABC123
January 13, 2019 5:34 pm

How does this work, say, with moderates within the Democratic Party.

The Democratic Party pretty much represents “responsible” or “institutional” or “mainstream” or “consensus” opinion on Global Warming/Climate Change as does much of the Republican Party and even most of Wall Street and good portions of even the Oil Lobby. Disputing the role of CO2 in climate or even being a Luke Warmer is what Anthony Watts’ fine Web site is all about, but in the grand scheme of things, it is an insurgent point of view.

So do the more senior and seasoned members of Ms. Ocasio-Cortez caucus “believe” in Climate Change, only they want to be more gradual about policy and not scare the public and their business donors? Or are these members cynical about the whole thing, much as it was said that the leaders in the late Soviet era didn’t really “believe” in Communism anymore apart from they wanted to be the guys and charge and keep things going pretty much they way they were?

If a person really took seriously what people from McKibben to Hansen are saying, some mush-mouthed fuel economy standards and the odd wind power subsidy are just don’t cut it, hence the Green New Deal. I mean, are we to think that Ms. O.-C. came up with all those carbon-free ideas by herself or did she get them from someplace?

So are the moderate Democrats “cognitively dissonant” in believing in Climate Change and at the same time thinking we can pursue our current path, with a few tweaks? Or do the “believe” and think their new colleague is scaring their voters and upsetting the apple cart? Or are they just plain cynical and simply about getting reelected?

icisil
January 13, 2019 11:45 am

“Correction (EW): Thanks Scott and everyone else for pointing out I forgot the 35 year minimum constitutional age limit on being President. I guess those founding fathers knew what they were doing.

Then maybe, but yesterday’s 35 is today’s 45 and greater. Many today don’t ever reach the maturity that George Washington had when he was a child and young adult. He was running the family farm at age 11, and ran his own business surveying the wilds of Virginia at the age of 17. Contrast that with many of today’s 35-year-olds sitting in their mother’s basement playing video games.

R Shearer
Reply to  icisil
January 13, 2019 12:33 pm

I’d raise the voting age to 35 and eligibility to be President to 52 years old. And felons, illegal immigrants and, most of all dead people, could not vote.

John Endicott
Reply to  R Shearer
January 14, 2019 6:08 am

technically it’s already not legal for illegal immigrants and dead people to vote (for felons it unfortunately depends on the state they reside). Doesn’t stop the dead from being the most reliable of voting blocks for the democrat party (with illegal immigrants a close second), but technically it’s still illegal, as such you law changes aren’t going to make any difference than the current laws. What you need is proper enforcement of the law, without that you can pass all the laws you want and they’ll just be as effective as the current batch of laws.

Schitzree
Reply to  R Shearer
January 14, 2019 7:40 am

And felons, illegal immigrants and, most of all dead people, could not vote.

Good God, man! No Democrat would be elected to so much as Dog Catcher ever again.

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MarkW
Reply to  Schitzree
January 14, 2019 2:11 pm

You say that like it would be a bad thing.

Caligula Jones
Reply to  icisil
January 14, 2019 10:10 am

Not to mention knowledge in general. My father (dropped out of Grade 9 back in WWII as he was the last remaining boy on the farm) could do fractions in his head that mystified his kids.

You want to see humiliation? Give a university student a grade school math text book from before 1970 or so…

Reply to  Caligula Jones
January 14, 2019 11:42 am

give anyone a high school graduation test from pre 1890.

Killer Marmot
January 13, 2019 11:45 am

So far, most of them have kept their criticism of Ocasio-Cortez private, fearful she’ll sic her massive following on them by firing off a tweet.

Why are people so scared of twitter mobs? It’s just a bunch of electrons moving around, and only the mobs read their own spewings. It changes nothing.

Craig from Oz
Reply to  Killer Marmot
January 13, 2019 4:25 pm

An interesting question.

Twit holds a MASSIVE sway over people who believe Twit is important.

People who don’t Twit seem to think the entire platform is filled with bile filled Lefts varying between screaming abuse and begging for attention based on how clever their abuse had just been. And Trump, who seems to use Twitter because he knows how much it trolls the gatekeepers.

The problem with social media is that it can become incredibly powerful, being able to shame public figures in a way that conventional media cannot. The problem is that not everyone uses it, and people who rely on it as a slice of Mr and Mrs Voter usually end up getting burnt by the sort of people who only maintain a FBook account to talk to their overseas kids.

The fact that this lady has a massive Twit following and understands Social Media Warfare is probably a reflection on the sort of person she actually is. The fact her fellow party members are scared of her because of her of this is probably a reflection on just how well they understand Mr and Mrs Voter.

Neither are likely to end well.

Caligula Jones
Reply to  Craig from Oz
January 14, 2019 10:12 am

Reminds me of a few years ago when Ron Paul raised a ton of money seemingly overnight from the “newfangled” interwebs. Media immediately raised his profile as “contendah”.

Yeah, until those folks didn’t get off the couch to actually, you know, vote and stuff.

Marcus
January 13, 2019 11:46 am

Personally, I think Eric is right . The liberals WILL try to run her in 2020. If anyone complains about the rules (laws), liberals will scream age discrimination, sex discrimination, race discrimination, big googly eyes discrimination and worst of all….stupid young socialist discrimination….the Republicans don’t stand a chance !!! D’OH !

President Trump for the next 10 years….”winning”

p.s. .. I may even move back to Florida if she is their choice…

ResourceGuy
January 13, 2019 11:52 am

Take it over the cliff. It’s what they do.

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