By Larry Kummer. From the Fabius Maximus website.
Summary: Despite thirty years of efforts by most of the elite institutions of America, US governments have done little to fight climate change. While a bout of awful weather might panic America into enacting activists’ wish list, as of today this is one of the great political failures of modern American history. It is rich with lessons for when scientists warn of the next disaster. The 21st century will give us more such challenges. Let’s try to do better.

The puzzle of the climate change crusade
Since James Hansen brought global warming to the headlines in his 1989 Senate testimony, scientists working for aggressive public policy action have had almost every advantage. They have PR agencies (e.g., the expensive propaganda video by 10:10). They have most of America’s elite institutions supporting them, including government agencies, the news media, academia, foundations, even funding from the energy companies. The majority of scientists in all fields support the program.
The other side, “skeptics”, have some funding from energy companies and conservative groups, with the heavy lifting being done by a small number of scientists and meteorologists, plus volunteer amateurs.
What the Soviet military called the correlation of forces overwhelmingly favored those wanting action. Public policy in America and the West should have gone green many years ago. But America’s governments have done little. Climate change ranks at the bottom of most surveys of what Americans’ see as our greatest challenges? (CEOs, too.) In November, Washington voters decisively defeated an ambitious proposal to fight climate change.
And not just in the USA. Climate change policy toppled Australia’s government. The Yellow Vest protests in France are the death knell for large-scale action in France. What went wrong?
The narrative gives answers
The usual answers use the information deficit model, in which the public’s skepticism about the need for radical action results from a lack of information. Thirty years of providing information at increasing volume and intensity has accomplished nothing. Pouring more water on a rock does not make it wetter.
“Insanity is repeating the same mistakes and expecting different results.”
— Ancient adage of Alcoholics Anonymous. More about that here.
Others give more complex explanations, such as “Between conflation and denial – the politics of climate expertise in Australia” by Peter Tangney in the Australian Journal of Political Science.
“This paper describes an ongoing tension between alternative uses of expert knowledge that unwittingly combines facts with values in ways that inflame polarised climate change debate. Climate politics indicates a need for experts to disentangle disputed facts from identity-defining group commitments.” {See Curry’s article for more about this paper.}
There are simpler and more powerful explanations for the campaign’s failure. Lessons giving us useful lessons for dealing with future threats.
Lesson #1: Standards are high for those sounding the alarm
“Caesar’s wife must be above suspicion.”
— A harsh but operationally accurate Roman proverb.
We have seen this played out many times in books and films since the publication of When Worlds Collide in 1932. A group of scientists see a threat. They go to America’s (or the world’s) leaders and state their case, presenting the data for others to examine and answering questions. There are two levels to this process.
First, the basis for the warnings must be evaluated by an interdisciplinary team of experts outside the community sounding the alarm. Climate models are the core of the warning about climate change. They have never been so examined. Perhaps we can end the climate policy wars by a test of the models. Whatever the costs of such reviews and tests, they would be trivial compared to the need to establish public confidence in these models.
Second, questions from the public must be answered. Of course, such warnings are greeted with skepticism. That is natural given the extraordinary nature of the threat and vast commitment of resources needed to fight it. Of course, many of the questions will be foolish or ignorant. Nevertheless, they all must be answered, with the supporting data made publicly available. Whatever the cost of doing so, it is trivial compared to the need.
Scientists seeking to save the world should never say things like this…
“In response to a request for supporting data, Philip Jones, a prominent researcher {U of East Anglia} said ‘We have 25 or so years invested in the work. Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it?’”
– From the testimony of Stephen McIntyre before the House Committee on Energy and Commerce (the July 2006 hearings which produced the Wegman Report). Jones has not publicly denied this.
Scientists seeking to save the world should not destroy key records, which are required to be kept and made public. They should not force people to file Freedom of Information requests to get key information. And the response to FOIs should never be like this…
“The {climategate} emails reveal repeated and systematic attempts by him and his colleagues to block FOI requests from climate sceptics who wanted access to emails, documents and data. These moves were not only contrary to the spirit of scientific openness, but according to the government body that administers the FOI act were ‘not dealt with as they should have been under the legislation.’” {The Guardian.}
Steve McIntyre has documented the defensive and self-defeating efforts of climate scientists to keep vital information secret, often violating the disclosure policies of journals, universities, and government funding agencies. To many laypeople these actions by scientists scream “something wrong”.
Yet these were common behaviors by climate scientists to requests for information by both scientists and amateurs. This kind of behavior, more than anything else, provoked skepticism. Rightly or not, this lack of transparency suggested that the scientists sounding the alarm were hiding something.
The burden of proof rests on those warning the world about a danger requiring trillions of dollars to mitigate, and perhaps drastic revisions to – or even abandoning – capitalism (as in Naomi Klein’s This Changes Everything: Capitalism vs. The Climate and “In Fiery Speeches, {Pope} Francis Excoriates Global Capitalism“).
Lesson #2: don’t get tied to activists
Activists latch onto threats for their own purposes. They exaggerate threats, attack those asking questions, and poison the debate. Scientists who treat them as allies must remember the ancient rule that “silence means assent.” Failure to speak when activists misrepresent the science discredits both groups.
For a sad example, look at “the pause.” Starting in 2006 climate scientists noticed a slowing in the rate of atmospheric warming. By 2009 there were peer-reviewed papers about it (e.g., in GRL), and it was an active focus of research (see links to these 29 papers). In 2013 the UK Met Office published a series of papers about the pause, which shifted the frontier of climate science from discussion about the existence of the “pause” to its causes (see links to these 38 papers). Some scientists gave forecasts of its duration (see links to 17 forecasts) – since a pause is, by definition, temporary.
During this period activists wrote scores, or hundreds, of articles not only denying that there was a pause in warming – but mocking as “deniers” people citing the literature about it. For example, see Phil Plait’s articles at Slate here and here. The leaders of climate science remained silent. Even those writing papers about the pause remained silent while activists ignored their work.
While an impressive display of climate scientists’ message discipline, it blasted away their credibility for those who saw the science behind the curtain of propaganda.
Conclusions
“The time for debate has ended”
— Marcia McNutt (then editor-in-Chief of Science and now President of the NAS) in “The beyond-two-degree inferno“, an editorial in Science, 3 July 2015.
I agree with McNutt: the public policy debate has ended. A critical mass of the US public has lost confidence in climate science as an institution (i.e., rejecting its warnings). As a result, the US probably will take no substantial steps to prepare for possible future climate change, not even preparing for re-occurrence of past extreme weather. The weather will determine how policy evolves, and eventually prove which side was right.
All that remains is to discuss the lessons we can learn from this debacle so that we can do better in the future. More challenges lie ahead in which we will need scientists to evaluate risks and find the best responses. Let’s hope we do better next time.
For More Information
For more information about this vital issue see the keys to understanding climate change and these posts about ways to end the climate wars…
- Important: climate scientists can restart the climate change debate – & win.
- Thomas Kuhn tells us what we need to know about climate science.
- Daniel Davies’ insights about predictions can unlock the climate change debate.
- Karl Popper explains how to open the deadlocked climate policy debate.
- Paul Krugman talks about economics. Climate scientists can learn from his insights.
- Milton Friedman’s advice about restarting the climate policy debate.
- A candid climate scientist explains how to fix the debate.
- Roger Pielke Jr.: climate science is a grab for power.
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Any layman can look at the “debate” from the standpoint of a juror.
When a climate scientist makes ridiculous statements or outright lies, the law say as a juror, I can ignore them.
Agreed.
‘Climate models are the core of the warning about climate change. They have never been so examined. Perhaps we can end the climate policy wars by a test of the models. Whatever the costs of such reviews and tests, they would be trivial compared to the need to establish public confidence in these models.’
No, we don’t need tests. The assumption for the validity of climate (sic) models is that scientists understand the atmosphere well enough to model it, to the point of determining weather decades out. The public knows they can’t tell us what the weather is going to be NEXT TUESDAY.
Indeed, every year we get announcements of innovations in modeling that are going to give even ‘better’ results from the models. A declaration that all models before were junk. I remember innovations like ‘we are going to include clouds now,’ and ‘we are adding aerosols to the models.’ An incredulous public asked, “You mean you didn’t even have clouds in the models ?!?!”
It is self-evident the models are junk. There is no need to test them to find out.
Climate models, yes.
Mr Kernodle, now that is the perfect
climate model !
Good one, Mr Kernodle.
The models have already been falsified, with the exception of the Russian model, by the empirical data since CMIP5 was released. While this does not prove the Russian model is right, it is reasonable to discard all the others. Of course if the long term projections of the Russian model are accepted, there is no reason for alarm.
The ‘tests’ are called verification and validation. The IPCC admits that the climate is a chaotic system for which prediction is impossible. As such it is impossible to verity and validate climate models.
Sooo . . . the American people aren’t going to give up their cushy, fossil-fuelled lifestyle, for which substitutes don’t exist, on the say-so of a bunch of hippies wearing The End Is Nigh! sandwich signs and packing Ouija boards.
Anyone who’s passed the 7th grade can put the graph of “warming” for the last 20 years up against the graph of rising CO2 emissions and conclude that CO2 is unlikely to be the agent warming things the TERRIFYING degree and a half since 1850. We know a non-problem when we see one.
“a bunch of hippies wearing The End Is Nigh! sandwich signs and packing Ouija boards.”
You left out “and who hypocritically don’t ACT like the end is nigh, living in modern luxury and even, like Leonardo di Caprio, etc., owning multiple houses, using private jets, to get to yachts they dive off with their supermodel of the week. Yachts owned by people who made money on…oil”.
But not quite as succinct, I realize…
1.5 degrees????
I thought it was .8 Goldrider
The first rule of investing applies here. Never, ever, ever take financial advice from somebody wearing fancy socks or Birkenstocks. CAWG is all about the money.
Cheers,
Speed
“Whatever the costs of such reviews and tests, they would be trivial compared to the need to establish public confidence in these models.”
And how is there a “need” to establish trust in models which are false, and give wrong results, and are used to grab power, and to impoverish people?
The need is to widely disseminate the truth and to let everyone in the whole world know they are being duped and have been had.
Menicholas,
“And how is there a “need” to establish trust in models”
There is a need for those who tell us the models are reliable. Try to see things from others people’s perspectives. This is advice for scientists, and so written to make sense from their chairs.
Yet they are so certain of their predictions that they want to dismantle Capitalism, empower central authoritarian government to remove individual liberty, impoverish the middle class with crippling energy costs and fees, and destroy the quality of living for the masses to protect the luxuries of the elites with money who will buy government indulgences to live free and skrew all others. CAGW is so transparently Political Science that to call it physical science is completely laughable.
It is even worse than that. Raising energy prices and limiting availability will flow into all aspects of the world economy. There will be less water, less food, less medicine, less R&D, less innovation. It translates into enormous death and misery world-wide, but particularly in lesser developed countries. The question becomes: “How many millions of human beings do you want to kill to fight climate change.”
The new models with clouds and aerosols gave pretty much the same answer as the previous models. So why would we think they were any better? They should have been screaming “Oh my God! The tipping point is not five years from now – it was five years ago!” Or else they should have said “We actually have 25 years to go to the tipping point.” Either one would have made us perk up and look a little more closely.
But the same results merely told us GIGO.
Neo – excellent point. In the U.S. particularly, any POV needs to convince the guy (or gal) entering the voting booth. The intelligensia and cultural leaders have drunk the Kool-Aid. But the average Joe looks at the cost involved, and has concluded so far that he/she is not going to bear that cost.
Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus
There are two sayings that I had read in the past but just happened to save yesterday that are applicable to claims by climate scientists: Hitchens’s razor and the Sagan standard.
Hitchens’s razor: “What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.” It asserts that the burden of proof regarding the truthfulness of a claim lies with the one who makes the claim, and if this burden is not met, the claim is unfounded, and its opponents need not argue further in order to dismiss it.
Sagan standard: “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.”
I give you Chiropractic and Homeopathy. The former declare one has imaginary ailments like “subluxations” or “a rib out” (out of WHERE?) and fix them with treatments proven imaginary (placebo effects). Homeopaths claim woo-woo water will fix whatever provided you believe it in. I suppose demon-exorcists and smudge ceremonies work on the same principals. But at the end of the day it doesn’t matter what you believe or think you feel–it matters what the FACTS show. And the facts are all against CAGW being anything other than a redistribution scam.
But all of the above occupy that wonderful Catch-22: I can’t prove it exists, but you can’t prove it doesn’t. VERY convenient!
Yes, and here in Ontario, Canada, our previous progressive Liberal government actually allows for our tax-funded healthcare system to pay for this crap. Oh, and add Traditional Chinese medicine, i.e., acupuncture, qi and folk medicines.
All the while telling us (hell, demanding) that we have to “listen to the science” of climate change.
Lets face it, scratch a warmunist, and you’ll find no end to the unscientific crap they’ll believe in.
Hell, our Prime Minister, Sockboy Selfie, Junior, is all in on climatechangeglobalwarmingcarbontax. AND he cups (just google it).
I have a friend who had acupuncture therapy. I did more for her than a neurosurgeon’s cutting her.
I think it goes way beyond a mere redistribution scam.
Way way beyond that.
That, and what Glenn “Instapundit” Reynolds says: I’ll believe it’s a crisis when they start acting like a crisis”.
The “they” are the climate scolds, Chicken Littles and Usual Suspects (i.e., the same folks who appear at literally EVERY protest), and people like Gore and Suzuki and di Caprio who own ocean-front property, etc.
>>>Despite thirty years of efforts by most of the elite institutions of America, US governments have done little to fight climate change. While a bout of awful weather might panic America into enacting activists’ wish list, as of today this is one of the great political failures of modern American history. It is rich with lessons for when scientists warn of the next disaster.<<<
What hubris.
Right
“Discuss the lessons we can learn…”
As in, “don’t be a self serving liar”?
Neo
The problem is worse than that. The average layperson is not exposed to the skeptic side at all. They hear only the warmists gloom and doom and are constantly told that anyone who questions this is unworthy of any consideration and maybe should be locked up for misleading the public. Salby addresses this with a forceful statement at 1:24:30 in this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1710&v=rohF6K2avtY).
My local paper won’t publish my letters to the editor that question the “consensus view”. I contacted one Op. ed writer who stressed the need to save the world from our CO2 and she had no idea the hockey stick graph had even been questioned let alone falsified.
Actually, the average layperson IS exposed to the skeptic side–all day long. In the diners and truck stops and feed stores of America, no one believes in this shi-te. One reason why is people who actually work outside and get their hands dirty realize the weather comes and goes and has been ever thus. I’ve been looking at the same high tide mark for 50+ years, hard to convince me the seas are rising 3mm and that this means anything. Those who remember grammar-school geology class (back when they still taught that, instead of intersectional grievance studies) know the past included both the lush jungles of the dinosaurs and the great glaciations–none of which were caused by SUV’s.
The ONLY people who buy this crap wholesale are social climbers within the Blue Bubble of the Eastern Acela corridor and CA moonbat-chic. They only read and write each other, and they think they’re much, MUCH smarter than We Deplorables, hence their conviction. Same crew believed in eugenics back in the early 20th century.
Well said Goldrider ,
I have farmed all my life and still get my hands dirty out in the sun and rain .
I mix with a large number of farmers and rural folk and they virtually dismiss global warming — climate change .
A minority who studied science in university are believers as they say that they learnt that
“CO2 increasing in the atmosphere will warm the planet and as temperatures and CO2 are both increasing there definitely is a linkage ”
Our Labour Green government has had a so called “nuclear moment ” and believe that “we ” have to take precautions to help save the world .
They are going to do this by spending ten billion dollars on a light rail from the center of Auckland to the Airport which will only be used by Auckland’ers to fly around the world.
Ten billion dollars would pay for one hundred kilometers of four lane motorway which would be used by all including freight which is the life blood of New Zealand as an exporting country .
The small amount of permanent warming that we will experience around the world can only be good and the increase of CO2 in the atmosphere can help grow food to feed the world .
I am sure that the populations of our largest cities have little idea how the food gets onto the shelves of their local supermarkets and they cannot see that if the energy prices are pushed up by our stupid government policies that prices can only increase.
Climate change is a Non Problem that has been taken up by activists who want to save the world .
Goldrider
Your point is well taken and my experiences with folks follows yours but they never heard of Richard Lindzen or Judith Curry or any scientific documentation that disagrees with the consensus they read and hear about. They just know it all “smells bad” and there isn’t anything they can see that fits the doom and gloom narrative. So if confronted with the “97%” argument their only response is “I don’t buy it” instead of being able to show where the hypothesis is falsified in failed models and disproved assumptions. I am convinced there has to be a better counter argument available to the general public or this tremendously wasteful expense will continue indefinitely.
DMA: never stop writing, and never give up! Give them the real-world facts and some figures that a newspaper’s editor can quickly check for themselves – I’ve had several letters published in my local paper.
I admit that in my area we’re lucky enough to have a broad-minded editor who’s interested in debate and likes a bit of a punch-up in the readers’ letters page!
Another thing to consider is that a lot of us simply don’t believe anything the government says, because we’ve seen how it lied so many times in the past in order to increase its power. And an even larger number assume that anything in the media is a lie unless proven otherwise.
Convincing people to go back to living in mud huts because Climate Change required complete control of The Narrative, and the left lost that when the Internet became popular.
The only place where they still have total control is the schools, which is why the vast majority of Climate Change zombies I see these days are kids. It’s been beaten into them for twenty years, and they need time to learn that they were lied to.
Mostly, though, scientists who want to convince people should act like scientists, and not a closed priesthood of secret data and secret teachings. It’s not hard to convince people of the truth when you openly show it to them. It’s harder to convince people of lies with no evidence.
Mark,
That’s an important point! I kept this post focused narrowly on climate science, but the broad loss of confidence in America’s institutions is an important factor. And loss of confidence in government officials is the core of this. To see why, read The Big List of Lies by Government Officials.
Also see Gallup’s annual Confidence in Institutions surveys. Terrifying data to anyone interested in America’s future:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/1597/confidence-institutions.aspx
Larry, A third point could be: Stop exaggerating the gravity and certainty of your claims.
Caleb Rossiter summarized this process in the following:
A powerful publicity machine magnifies the alarm, bombarding citizens with exaggerations and claims of certainty that are proven wrong as you dig down to their underlying scientific studies:
Public figures, news editors, and commentators make claims that are more alarmist than what individual IPCC authors say at the release of the report.
Individual IPCC authors make claims at the release of the report that are more alarmist than what the official press release says.
The official press release makes claims that are more alarmist than what the report’s summary for policy-makers says.
The summary for policy-makers makes claims that are more alarmist than the various chapters of the reports.
The chapters of the report make claims that are more alarmist than the studies they reference in the footnotes.
The studies referenced in the footnotes are often actually peer-reviewed and generally make cautious claims about a possible trend spotted in one or a small number of locations or in a global computer model.
Both types of studies are more speculative than definitive because, as they always acknowledge in the fine print, they are based on highly-uncertain measurements of highly-complex phenomena with many interacting causes, of which warming gasses generated by human activity are only one, and often a minor component.
For governments to make policy on such a hierarchy of exaggeration brings to mind James Madison’s warning: “A popular Government, without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy; or perhaps both.”
Ron,
“A third point could be: Stop exaggerating the …certainty of your claims.’
We can make a long list of mistakes made by scientists in the climate crusade. Judith Curry and others have well documented that one.
But it is kinda human nature for experts to exaggerate the certainty of their conclusions. Proposing reforms that fight human nature is imo a waste of time. That’s why – as I propose here – we need external reviews. Second opinions by experts unaffiliated with the project.
+1, Mr Clutz.
+1^10
Yes, and all of the people cannot be fooled all of the time.
“To many laypeople these actions by scientists scream “something wrong”.”
To this layperson it screams fraud
+42.
Western society is made up of people who have been profsssionally marketed at by the msm ( newspapers, magazines, radio, tv and now the internet) for a century and a half or so with the period since ww2 being of particular intensity and featuring mass broadcast television.
Citizens have been tried on with all manner of over the top bs and their bs detectors been honed to a fine standard so when the CAGWarmists come along with their ready reversion to abuse ( ‘deniers’) and breathless doom and gloom every time a cow farts the instinctive reaction in most minds is, ‘oh here they go again, what’s on the other channel?’
Its about maintaining ones ‘credit as a witness’ as the judiciary might put it or in the CAGWArmistas case their utter lack thereof. And the beauty of it is they brought it on themselves.
Some of us have run out of channels to go to. I just turn off the TV. My science news if filtered through sites like WUWT which help me keep my cool while digesting what the CAGW crew is trying next. At one time my wife feared I would actually throw something through the screen.
What went wrong was scientists became activists and rightly got there butts kicked.
I would also add it appears that many on the left have already conceded what we have been saying the whole green climate science movement is in trouble, once USA stood alone now …
https://www.resilience.org/stories/2018-12-04/populism-is-bad-for-the-environment/
They actually realize that the sort of change they want and think needs to happen is beyond even Germany and France because they could not get the popular vote up. I would add Australia to that list.
What went wrong was scientists became activists and rightly got there butts kicked.
One can either be a scientist or an activist, one can not be both. Scientists are supposed to be neutral and go where the data leads them rather than prejudicing the results beforehand. Activists, on the other hand are never neutral, they pick a side and prejudge everything through the lens of that side. the two are incompatible such that once one becomes an activist, one ceases to be a scientist.
One cannot stand as a scientist on anything other than reproducible experiments and data along with the understanding of what would falsify it.
As a scientist one cannot “believe” in anything.
One of my friends challenged me with “well what do you believe in ?” my answer is that I believe in the falsifiability of all human knowledge – if it is not falsifiable then it isn’t really knowledge.
With that comes a somewhat depressing realization and acceptance that everything I know might be wrong.
Ken Irwin
“With that comes a somewhat depressing realization and acceptance that everything I know might be wrong.”
I find that liberating.
Excellent points of views, Mr Endicott. You have described
the issue perfectly.
“What went wrong was scientists became activists…”
I think what happened was activists became scientists.
School provides a barrage of propaganda that humans, particularly in their industrial activity, are destroying the earth. Many students that swallowed that message went into “earth sciences”.
I agree, the standard for earning a degree has fallen so low that anyone can become a scientist, especially in certain fields. I knew a person with a Master’s in Programming that could not program a simple sorting algorithm (their job was Senior Programmer – they later became a vice president of a department). I knew a person with a physics degree that thought that the Moon was bound to the Earth by the electromagnetic force. I knew a person with a Masters (in something) that thought Man hid from dinosaurs in caves (and we ween’t talking about birds). The list goes on.
Many activists started pretending they were scientists and hid out in government and university positions where they are protected from having to actually produce anything truthful or useful. They flock together like some kind of children’s cliche and reinforce each other’s beliefs. Reality is something to be denied – it isn’t politically correct and therefore banned.
Worse (and scarier): I know a nurse who is an anti-vaxxer…
“I think what happened was activists became scientists.”
It’s so obvious that sd is what happened, once one thinks sociologically. But the mass’s and journalists’ default assumption is that “scientist” = unprejudiced.
Well, that default will get overthrown, maybe permanently, down the road. An unforeseen side-effect! But deserved by the arrogant scientific community, which bridled at the prospect of institutionalizing a Science Court to serve as a check on their runaway fads and dogmas.
But not, regrettably, New Zealand!
The only possible climate change we might want to prepare for is cooling. And the way we do that is by having thriving economies, with relatively cheap, reliable energy available 24/7. The slight warming we’ve experienced since the LIA has been beneficial, and the weather is just weather. Worrying about climate is foolish. Man can and will adapt, just as he always has.
Ding! Ding! Ding!
We have a winner.
people trying to save the world also should not resort to the persecution of skeptics and launch into a world-wide propaganda campaign, much targeted at children, that would make Goebbels blush. It’s not like the world hasn’t seen this before.
the facts should speak for themselves
I would add that they need to also accept that in democracies the correct way to get change is thru democratic process not trying to impose socialism on them by force. I think France found that out the hard way 🙂
LdB
I think France would strongly disagree that socialism is bad (or more to the point: that socialism is worse than capitalism). What’s bad is the proverbial “running out of other people’s money”, and the cognitive dissonance as this is happening is stunning to watch.
The French are arguing about how to divide up the spoils, but they’re quite happy with the prospect of “spoils”.
people don’t like to admit they were played. whether it be to the tune of their laziness or their stupidity.
for now, we can sit back and watch how this turns out and interview them later, can’t we.
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: if we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth.
The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken.”
Carl Sagan – Our Demon Haunted World.
One reason now given for the current mistrust of science is that while in the past Kuhn’s concept of overthrow of paradigms was true, it no long exists. We are now merely expanding these. This could be because we have no new ones or fail to see them. Certainly we are expanding many now old concepts. The trust first came from WWII with the science of the atom which produced NSF. It was a classic case of problem solving. Consider all hypotheses with thoughtful skepticism. Lots of money was spent on all these, and the result proven with considerable trepidation. We now fail in some (many?) areas, but there are still cases where real problems of various importance are solved. Where is the considerable trepidation?
Is this ‘excuse’ just another version of the “science is settled?” It was claimed once over a century ago.
A climate change crusade with no support in the data
https://tambonthongchai.com/2018/12/14/climateaction/
Thank you for your report. I have saved it for future use.
“While a bout of awful weather might panic America into enacting activists’ wish list…”
Only if they could clearly show that their wish list would be enough to fix the problem and stop the bad weather. And this would present an insurmountable problem. Because among other things China.
No, I think it is much more simple than that. From my own perspective, if most of the information I received from the “consensus” scientists was accurate or at least reasonable I might have gone along with it.
But the reality is that there is PLENTY of information from that group. But if someone feeds me a meal that consists of 80% accurate and reasonable “information” and 20% exaggeration, lies and ad hominems I am going to toss the whole thing because clearly I no longer know what to believe about the other 80%.
Right on point. Some self-styled skeptics have been loose cannons and insufferable. But climate advocates haven’t made the effort to give people the commentary they need in order to believe them, and the burden’s on them to prove their case. Advocates have responded to fair criticism with snark and insults. The best of the skeptics get no respect at all from their believer counterparts. Just look at the treatment of intelligent skeptics such as Curry, Pielke Jr. and Cliff Mass.
The response of advocates has been to escalate the scare tactics. The media blitz in support of the IPCC SR and Poland have been completely over the top. The few rational voices get drowned out and sullied by association.
Advocates (or believers) will never win the debate if they argue values and morality, and that’s been their go-to approach. Part of the polarized political environment can be laid at the feet of self-righteous climate advocates.
Once again, the group that has the burden of proof needs to be honest about what’s solid fact and what’s uncertain. They get nowhere by arguing that skeptics are wrong to harp on uncertainty -mainly because skeptics are right about this. Advocates can’t actually prove very much – they need to follow the cues of a good trial attorney and be persuasive, and that requires some humility and straightforwardness.
Advocates (or believers) will never win the debate if they argue values and morality, and that’s been their go-to approach
it’s their go-to approach because the science and the data really isn’t on their side. It’s the old adage about the courts:
When the law is on your side, pound the law
when the facts are on your side, pound the facts
when neither is on your side, pound the table.
they’ve been pounding the table for years.
@John Endicott – Yup!
If they had a sound scientific basis for their claims, they could just put the EVIDENCE out there and it would receive the appropriate response.
What they have put out there, by contrast, is not science but propaganda in support of a secular religion where any challenge to their pre-conceived conclusions is treated like heresy.
Not only is there no empirical evidence to support the notion that CO2 drives temperature anywhere in the current or past climate records, there is plenty to suggest it has NO effect whatsoever in those same climate records. The lack of quality and adequacy of said records is another issue in and of itself, but the fact remains that they have nothing to support their outlandish claims of “human CO-2 emission-related ‘catastrophic climate change'” that vaguely resembles “science.”
The repeated claims that “we only have [fill in the blank] years to ACT to “save ourselves” from [the certain “climate doom” du jour]” especially in the face of how many such alleged “tipping points” have already been passed without incident, just makes the whole thing farcical.
This sounds vaguely like the Mueller investigation lack of evidence and results.
Exactly.
Climatology was a field of study based on dozens of other fields with a large number of unknowns. Climate science is a pseudo science based on a large set of assumptions adopted to support a political agenda.
The reason climate scientists don’t debate skeptics is they are without ammunition. The only reason this nonsense is still going on is because the media has continued to hide all the problems. Until folks like Larry realized they have been conned, the deceptions will continue.
I think part of the reason the media has been so lazy and inept is that they get free stories pushed out by PR firms who’ve been hired to spread the message. Lots of free news to spread and fill up space.
Regardless, the media has become spineless cowards who are too stupid or too paid off to look at both sides of the question, let alone consider both sides. The NYTimes is essentially a lap dog that on occasion does real reporting.
Media these days:
1) fire the actual writers and editors who might actually know how to journalize
2) hire uni grads with useless degrees and pay them next to nothing (or nothing if you call them interns)
3) give them impressive titles like “senior” writer or “executive editor” (even if they are in their mid-20s)
4) have them re-type press releases from Greenpeace, WWF, etc.
5) try to sell online ads, subscriptions, etc. to pay for the corporate jet
6) go broke
7) fire everyone and beg for government assistance because “independent journalism”.
I don’t agree. Climate science has discovered important things, like ENSO and AMO.
The problem came when they tried to jerk up their relevance and importance with the MMGW scare.
“Just look at the treatment of intelligent skeptics such as Curry, Pielke Jr. and Cliff Mass.”
Neither Pielke Jr nor Mass are skeptics.
Nor Curry for that matter. All three are, as far as I’m aware, “lukewarmers”
We need more compelling science than a theory with no laws, axioms, postulates nor formulae to consider limiting the source of Carbon upon which all Carbon Based Life Forms depend.
the public’s skepticism about the need for radical action results from a lack of information.
Wrong!
That’s the same “If only we could package the message right the peons will fall in line” nonsense the alarmist have been peddling. The problem isn’t a lack of information/communication, they’ve been bombarding the public with “information” for years now thanks to a compliant media. The skeptical public isn’t buying it because they see through the BS. They remember when they are told that “snow will be a thing of the past” one year and than told that “warming means more snow” the next. They remember when the alarm was over a cooling world (“In search of the coming Ice Age”) before it was alarm over a warming world (“An Inconvenient Truth”). and all the other contradictory “information” that the alarmist have been peddling. Most of all they recognize a money/power grab (“carbon taxes”) when they see one.
In addition, people don’t take to being called names. After the BS leads them to be skeptical to then be lumped in with holocaust deniers, flat earthers, and other assorted kooks only works to push the masses further away from where the elites want to lead them.
The only place the alarmists “information” finds root is in the indoctrination of the young (who haven’t enough life experience to detect BS as well as the adults) in our school system. One can only hope as they grow older/grow up, those kids will realize how badly they’ve been lied to.
This article ignores the economic uncertainties.
The assumption of the Climate Change political lobby is that the Precautionary Principle applies.
That is: The potential negative impacts are so great and irreversible that we must at before we have any evidence that the threat is real.
This is actually reasonable if the required action so free or so near to free as to be lost in the uncertainties of growth. But the desired counter-measures to catastrophic AGW are so expensive as to make the Precautionary Principle apply also to avoiding them. Increased poverty kills.
Remember, only catastrophic AGW demands the Precautionary Principle be applied so only catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming is in scope for policy decisions.
My neck of the woods gets a new wind field every year or so “for the environment.” Peddle green failure somewhere else, because it is sanity that has failed.
I don’t think this is over. If we get a Dem president and Dems in control of both House and Senate, draconian climate legislation might await.
It really might come down to Republicans holding the Senate.
Indeed it isn’t, a Dem controlled legislative and executive branch will try to ram-rod through such legislation. As long as they don’t get 60 in the Senate, the Republicans can filibuster. The Dems might try to do away with the filibuster completely, but perhaps wiser heads will remember how Harry Reid’s doing away with it for judicial nominees bit them in the ass and think twice about that.
But even if they do get it though the Senate (by getting 60 or by eliminating the filibuster completely) it will end up in the courts, and that’s where Trump’s Harry Reid fueled legacy of appointing constitutionalist judges to the bench will be our last best hope of stopping the left’s madness. So ironically, we may have Harry Reid to thank should that situation ever come to pass.
Not if, but when. It is going to happen.
“The time for debate has ended”
There never was a debate. And that’s another reason for skepticism among the masses. They recognize when they’re being railroaded. Asserting, without reason, that the “debate is over” when anyone dares question “the (non-existent) consensus” doesn’t fool them.
+97 I always laugh at this canard. The “debate” never started, because the Eco-Nazis know they will lose the debate.
They are trying to keep a house of cars up in a hurricane as it is, since the basis of their claims is all hypothetical bullshit, circular reasoning, group-think, appeals to authority, and (on point) shouting down anyone who disagrees. Exposed to direct debate, the weakness of their claims will quickly be exposed.
should be house of CARDS
Whew, thought it was a new HDTV show, ala “tiny houses” or something arty:
http://museumarteutil.net/projects/house-of-cars-1-and-2/
FM says some interesting stuff but still misses the points:
1) There never was an honest debate. The climate consensus refused.
2) It is not all established that there is the need for more than adaptation when it comes to the changing climate.
3) The policies demanded by the climate consensus have failed in every way possible.
People are worse off, not better off thanks to climate consensus policies.
Hunter,
This was a discussion of one specific aspect of the climate policy debate. It wasn’t the Britannica entry on climate change you appear to be looking for.
It “missed” thousands of “points” in this massive and complex subject.
We are fortunate that we have the internet and sites like WUWT and ClimateAudit. Except for this, the advocates of CAGW have had all the traditional advantages, as mentioned in the article. Paradoxically, their ready access to the press and publicity has encouraged them to engage in self-destructive behavior. They thought they could get away with anything, and this belief has been the rope that hung them. Turning off the air conditioning in the Senate cambers, marches, nutty advocates like Sarah Myhre, photo shopping the the Gore/Nye “Climate 101” video, their collusion to stifle dissenting views as exposed in their emails, and even their choice of a public spokesman, Al Gore for heaven’s sake, have all served to undermine their credibility. Scientists, after all is said and done, are people too, and individually they are just as likely to be crooks and frauds as members of any other segment of our society. And when they are led by a self-serving politician like Al Gore, it is just that much easier to make the connection.
This is likely to be one of the benefits of a society that is not run by a small group of oligarchs or a tyrant. The history of WWII is one of massive miscalculations by the Axis. They focused on wonder weapons (Germany) and mythical racial superiority (both Germany and Japan), and never confronted the simplest facts of the war. Neither could interdict and diminish the industrial might of the U. S. Their beliefs blinded the small groups that dominated these countries to reality. The same thing occurred in the Soviet Union, but their tyrant, Stalin, had the good fortune to be our enemies enemy. FDR had the common sense to invite his most hated political adversaries, Detroit auto executives, to help manage and direct the mobilization. Two years after Pearl Harbor, Willow Run was producing a B-24 every 59 minutes. In Axis countries, and in the Soviet Union, political enemies or those thought to be racially inferior were liquidated.
It is not by accident that advocates of CAGW behave in a fashion that is reminiscent of the Nazi’s rise to power in the early 1930s. Protests of those who dare to speak out against them, including violent action by small groups of supporters, and concerted efforts to deny employment to those who don’t agree with the party line, are symptoms of their belief that they alone have the genius to recognize and act o solve society’s problems. They will be repeatedly blind-sided by reality, but it will always be someone else’s fault. Simply disagreeing with them makes a person responsible for acts of nature that are beyond anyone’s control. This alone is enough to discredit their political movement.
Lesson #0: Don’t change the name of the threat – “crusade” – when reality bites you in the ass and proves your screeched base premise is wrong – – “The human conversion of fossil materials to energy increases the PPM of Co2 in the atmosphere globally and for every x PPM increase the rate of release to space of long-wave radiation (thermal energy) is decreased globally which negatively changes the weather locally.” …except when it doesn’t.
Lesson #3: Stop adding to the end of every study: “…however we do not fully understand all of interactions of the system or know of the source of XX so more research is needed.” (So please send more money.)
When it is clear that NONE of the measures that might have mitigated climate change were implemented – like massive nuclear power – and all that was done was crony politics high virtue signalling ineffective nonsense – like windmills and solar panels – its fairlty clear to even the most uneducated that the governments are not really that worried and neither are the more acute activists.
It was all a game. Theatre. For political power and profit.
THAT is why we haven’t done a damn thing. It wasn’t needful that we did – and they knew that.
At least the development of fracking allowed the displacement of coal resulting in CO2 emission reductions by the U.S. I suppose that governing bodies in the U.S. can take some credit for staying out of the way of this technology, although that isn’t the case in all states and jurisdictions. But when the people are asked, they reject outrageous restrictions on it, e.g. Colorado voters rejecting added setbacks.
Don’t forget the billions to be made in the carbon trading fraud– another reason to keep the scam alive without doing a damn thing about the supposedly real problem, except to attempt to tax the plebeians and to promise to trade carbon credits.
Oh, and don’t forget, third world countries: we need your land to save the world. Hope you don’t mind too much.
Deforestation? Who cares about forests when we have to save the planet?
Overfishing? Who cares about overfishing when we have to save the planet?
If we don’t save the planet first, nothing else matters.
A fraud that serves many purposes. Brilliant!
Leo-
“When it is clear that NONE of the measures that might have mitigated climate change were implemented”
Exactly right. That’s what convinced me CAGW was sham. It was over 25 years ago that I realized if CO2 was really a problem, it could be solved with two actions: (1) Convert all electrical power generation to nuclear, and (2) since half the highway fuel used was for freight, require all freight going over 200 miles to be shipped by rail. Then electrify the railroads. Nuclear power and electric railroads were commercially available 25 years ago. Problem solved!
The 97% never understood climate science but they sure as Hell could see the BS about seal levels inundating them and the rains are never gunna fill their dams again and the bloody great list of bizarre things supposedly caused by it- http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/globalwarming2.html
and the constant movement of tipping points-
https://climatechangedispatch.com/25-years-of-predicting-the-global-warming-tipping-point/
but then they were led to believe electricity would be free from the sun and wind-
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/south-australia-will-have-highest-power-prices-in-the-world-after-july-1-increases/news-story/876f9f6cefce23c62395085c6fe0fd9f
and in any case all you had to do was change a few light bulbs and shower heads and jump onboard a solar FIT scheme and EVs would be cheap for the masses.
Well every scientific skeptic has to admit out of that lot the price of solar panels sure fell a lot but then they canned the generous FIT schemes for new chums. Like the 200,001st and subsequent Tesla buyer you aint gunna win friends and influence people.
The public, for the most part, does not revere scientists, or even really care about what they say. It’s probably more accurate to say that numerous scientists revere themselves and expect the public to do the same. The attitude that they are gods who deserve worship is inculcated through culture and training, as evidenced by this PhD student’s glorying over scientists’ perceived cultural supremacism. It’s really quite nauseating, but illuminating to see how these people view themselves.
https://twitter.com/_beccaharrison/status/698599493852340224
“The public, for the most part, does not revere scientists, or even really care about what they say.”
They did once when they were improving their lives and health but then they filled the venerable Sandstones with social science and the BS contaminated them all. My own take is a plethora of weak minds and statistical packages coupled with the exponential advance of computing power was a lethal brew for science and the scientific method and climate science is the rule rather than the exception there.
This study is satire, but it’s not far from what we’d see coming out of climate science.
https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k5094
Definitely a laugh out loud satire.
Thank you for link.
Excellent points of views, Mr Endicott. You have described
the issue perfectly.
Lesson #1
Be right!
And hence their failure. They have neither established that climate change is unnatural nor have the established that it is bad.
Larry, as always, this is a wonderful post.
Regards,
Bob
Bob,
With all due respect, I think you need to read this post a little more carefully.
Kummer cites a “need” to get everyone to accept what climate models are predicting, and calls the fact that we are not all 100% CAGW true believers “a failure”.
LK,
Am I wrong?
If so, please correct me, and accept apologies.
This post sounds to me like a carefully worded CAGW believer’s cry of anguish.
Menicholas ,
“Kummer cites a “need” to get everyone to accept what climate models are predicting, ”
With all due respect, I think you need to read this post a little more carefully.
This is written for climate scientists, describing how they should have conducted their campaign to warn the world. Models are their primary tool, therefore they need to establish the public’s confidence in them. Objective tests and reviews by experts (from outside their community) are the logical ways to do this.
Your comment sounds to me like you didn’t read this post carefully.