It makes sense that the whale numbers would go up with more CO2. The baleen feeders are running into a veritable bonanza with all the increases in primary food production.
It also helps that we now use evil OIL to do the things we used to use whales for…
I read that in England during WW2, the food rationing was so severe that the Government tried to get the British to eat whale meat. I believe it wasn’t a success!
Blackbirds here have a slightly different song to those 100 miles away where I grew up.
Local accent of people living here here has changed slightly ove the last 40 years.
If people are closer because there are more of them I don’t have to shout so loudly to be heard by those near me.
BS meter alarm now sounding.
The whales are just talking back to marine airguns… 😎
March
December 3, 2018 3:25 am
Junk science strikes again! “Study recorded the calls over six years, from 2010 to 2015”.
6 years is 20% of a standard climate cycle! So climate change is the now just the weather?
Jules
December 3, 2018 3:38 am
Yes but I thought 97% of whales have said……..
Koen
December 3, 2018 4:17 am
I think it is because all those sea based windmills make too much underwater noise.
Harrow Sceptic
December 3, 2018 4:39 am
This is a standard Guardian trick, put Global Warming as the first reason and then what is the more likely reason 2nd. i.e. “lack of Krill in the Souther Ocean due to GW and then maybe overfishing or falling water levels in Lake Chad due to GW or increased agriculture and population.
I need a grant to study whether krill oil consumers are warmenistas or skeptics but I have a strong hunch already who the guilty ones are. Mind you those gluttonous Southern Rights can Hoover up 2 tonnes of krill a day down in Antarctica and nobody is sticking up for the little guy except the Japanese whalers. The krill prefer to refer to them as the Krill Liberation Front.
The krill get liberated at the other end of the whale.
StephenP
December 3, 2018 6:06 am
Read this first, then comment! It seems very odd at first glance.
Recently the BBC posted an item about a research vessel going to the Antarctic to research ‘whale poo’.
Apparently the sperm whales produce poo that floats, and may be responsible for fertilising the parts of the sea that are short of nutrients, especially iron. Other sea creatures poo fall straight to the bottom of the ocean.
It all seems a bit daft, but on consideration could be possible as suggestions have been made to seed the oceans with iron filings to encourage plankton growth which apparently would absorb CO2.
Could the intensive whaling done in the 1940/1950s have reduced the amount of nutrient recycling in the oceans?
A bit dubious since penguin numbers have multiplied instead. Penguin poo is liquid and will dissolve in seawater.
However, come to think of it, a proportion of penguin poo does end up on land during the breeding season, so there will be a net transfer of nutrient from the sea. By the way this effect is noticeable quite some way downwind from a major penguin colony in the form of a decidedly fishy smell.
Computer translation: “Keep the noise down dudes, there’s Japanese on the horizon”
Gary Pearse
December 3, 2018 6:31 am
The burgeoning population of whales due to greater CO2’s effect on food production has added an interval above the former morose, unhappy foghorn basso note . More sex does that to humans even. Trouble is marine biologists with their progressivchik, designer-brain education are an unhappy, morose lot and baleine joy upsets.
MarkW
December 3, 2018 6:45 am
Back in the 70’s when I first heard of whale tunes, I read that these tunes slowly changed, one year to the next.
Someone got confused between Star Trek: The Motion Picture, and Star Trek IV.
Robert W Turner
December 3, 2018 7:35 am
And to think, it’s all because of a change in 0.08 degrees in ocean temperature since then. Based on these findings, I have reconstructed what whale songs sounded like in the Oligocene: https://youtu.be/94nDCm4NqIA?t=35
“Disturbance from private and commercial whale watching vessels; …”
It is our fault.
During our one whale-watching expedition out of Victoria, BC, the pod surfaced about 15 metres off the stern of our boat. Guess the boat didn’t disturb them.
My family has been sport fishing for salmon in Puget Sound for 50+ years. Orcas are much more prevalent in the last 20 years. All though they are very cool to see, we are no big fans of them because once they show up, there will be nary a bite from the salmon. I honestly have no idea how many times we have had Orcas swimming within 15 feet of our boat or going under our boat, but it is a regular occurrence. That the Orcas avoided our downrigger lines when going under our boat always amazed me (in the last 10-15 years we pull our lines in and kill our engine when they show up ). We have lots of video including a couple years ago when an Orca came straight at our boat and dove under it when about 20 feet away. That was exciting – in a check your shorts way. As for whale watcher boats, we really hate them. To say they are obnoxious is being polite. I once counted about 50 whale watching boats around a pod.
J Mac
December 3, 2018 9:36 am
What? Now we must have ‘whale song stasis’ to correlate with fictional ‘ideal climate stasis’?
These Luddites don’t believe in evolution, neither in whales nor in global climates.
Paul
December 3, 2018 10:07 am
So boy whales have the exact same note as girl whales? And baby whales have the exact same note as grownup whales. And angry whales have the exact same note as calm whales? Amazing, that they all change exactly the same over the last few years!
I’ll put on my gun forecasting cap here and make a prediction. Humpbacks are already cruising all over our coast becoming a navigation hazard while lesser Southern Right numbers have been doubling every decade so they’ll have to come into balance with krill stocks as their numbers recover to pre whaling days. That’s when the old/weak starving ones will begin to wash up on our beaches in earnest and what will the usual suspects blame it on? Expect the iconic starving Polar Bear to be sooooo yesterdays.
Codetrader
December 3, 2018 4:27 pm
I kid you not. Turn on the video with sound turned up, close your eyes and imagine Rosie O’Donnell in the crapper. It really brings It Home!
Jon
December 3, 2018 4:32 pm
Shouldn’t the whales which refuse to endorse the CAGW meme be culled, in order to save their children from environmental doom?
Derek Colman
December 3, 2018 5:35 pm
I believe the cause of the whale beachings which are occurring more frequently is offshore wind farms, and this change of tone could also be because of that. Whales communicate by low frequency sound, including infra sound. They send navigational information to each other for feeding and mating purposes. Wind turbines emit infra sound, and now there are thousands of them at sea, I believe they are creating a cacophony of noise which screws up the communication between whales, and leads them into danger. I could be wrong, but the increase in beachings by whales and dolphins does seem to have coincided with a huge expansion of offshore wind farms.
But wind is available only 17% of the time. Very reliable of course, you just never know when it will be available. Nor for how long.
You can only rely on it to always fail. Soon.
“you just never know when it will be available. Nor for how long.”
…
Not true. Current weather forecasting models are very accurate three days out. The forecasts include wind speed and direction.
You have not spent many hours in the power plant and wind plant control rooms, have you?
You have spent many hours READING about the ideals of wind power from those who DON’T produce reliable energy, haven’t you?
Power plant and wind plant control rooms aren’t where you want to be. You want to be in the gird operations control room. Ever been to Texas there Mr. 1978 ?
Well, my mother’s grave is a few miles south of there.
Her mother’s, father’s, sisters’ and brothers’.
A few hundred cousins and assorted relatives live near there.
Quite a few chimneys and roads and farms that her ancestors built across that whole region.
Given the right approach from Climate Change Alarmists, even the Whales are liable to change their tune.
“It could be x, but but but…Climate Change!”
CTM…Yea that pretty well covers it !
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/11/181128182153.htm
Typo in headline, our fault not out fault.
Typo in comment – Oldseadog.
Grrrr.
Hey.. no correcting the posts until after 6 a.m. or 4 coffees ! : )
They admit whale numbers are increasing, so climate change is good for whales. Hence we must keep adding CO2 to the air, in order to help the whales.
Same conclusion for polar bears, and virtually every other living thing.
We are likely to become bear food and wouldn’t you know it, it will be all our fault.
It makes sense that the whale numbers would go up with more CO2. The baleen feeders are running into a veritable bonanza with all the increases in primary food production.
It also helps that we now use evil OIL to do the things we used to use whales for…
OweninGA
Well, we don’t yet eat crude oil, I don’t think, but good point nonetheless. 🙂
I read that in England during WW2, the food rationing was so severe that the Government tried to get the British to eat whale meat. I believe it wasn’t a success!
in fact we do eat oil and for a very long time.
where do you think fertilizer comes from ?
Blackbirds here have a slightly different song to those 100 miles away where I grew up.
Local accent of people living here here has changed slightly ove the last 40 years.
If people are closer because there are more of them I don’t have to shout so loudly to be heard by those near me.
BS meter alarm now sounding.
The only blackbirds I have heard singing was in the dead of night.
Did your broken dreams learn to fly?
Tom/Mark
You’re both quick today. 🙂
because you said so….
so powerful
Go back to Twitter and spew your nonsense @GuitarMan59LP
GO back to your Coal Mine and breath in the dust
The whales are just talking back to marine airguns… 😎
Junk science strikes again! “Study recorded the calls over six years, from 2010 to 2015”.
6 years is 20% of a standard climate cycle! So climate change is the now just the weather?
Yes but I thought 97% of whales have said……..
I think it is because all those sea based windmills make too much underwater noise.
This is a standard Guardian trick, put Global Warming as the first reason and then what is the more likely reason 2nd. i.e. “lack of Krill in the Souther Ocean due to GW and then maybe overfishing or falling water levels in Lake Chad due to GW or increased agriculture and population.
“..lack of Krill in the Southern Ocean due to GW..”
https://thrivenaturals.com/product/antarctic-krill-oil-complex/
I need a grant to study whether krill oil consumers are warmenistas or skeptics but I have a strong hunch already who the guilty ones are. Mind you those gluttonous Southern Rights can Hoover up 2 tonnes of krill a day down in Antarctica and nobody is sticking up for the little guy except the Japanese whalers. The krill prefer to refer to them as the Krill Liberation Front.
The krill get liberated at the other end of the whale.
Read this first, then comment! It seems very odd at first glance.
Recently the BBC posted an item about a research vessel going to the Antarctic to research ‘whale poo’.
Apparently the sperm whales produce poo that floats, and may be responsible for fertilising the parts of the sea that are short of nutrients, especially iron. Other sea creatures poo fall straight to the bottom of the ocean.
It all seems a bit daft, but on consideration could be possible as suggestions have been made to seed the oceans with iron filings to encourage plankton growth which apparently would absorb CO2.
Could the intensive whaling done in the 1940/1950s have reduced the amount of nutrient recycling in the oceans?
rather than speculate without credentials to do so, consider a broader source of information
http://conservationbiology.uw.edu/research-programs/killer-whales/
Would the floating poo be the same as the ambergris that used to be used in perfumes? Or was that from a different species.
Ambergris comes from sperm whales only.
A bit dubious since penguin numbers have multiplied instead. Penguin poo is liquid and will dissolve in seawater.
However, come to think of it, a proportion of penguin poo does end up on land during the breeding season, so there will be a net transfer of nutrient from the sea. By the way this effect is noticeable quite some way downwind from a major penguin colony in the form of a decidedly fishy smell.
It all makes sense…
http://www.theonion.com/study-finds-rising-sea-levels-result-of-expansive-colon-1830752818
and they influence elections.
Computer translation: “Keep the noise down dudes, there’s Japanese on the horizon”
The burgeoning population of whales due to greater CO2’s effect on food production has added an interval above the former morose, unhappy foghorn basso note . More sex does that to humans even. Trouble is marine biologists with their progressivchik, designer-brain education are an unhappy, morose lot and baleine joy upsets.
Back in the 70’s when I first heard of whale tunes, I read that these tunes slowly changed, one year to the next.
MarkW
There was no AGW to blame it on back then so it was considered a scientific curiosity.
Um, can we ask Paul Horn?
No article, just a short clip of whale noises?
Cube
You don’t understand whale speak?
They’re narrating their own documentary.
(No, I haven’t watched it yet). 🙂
“Whale speak”?
If you listen closely enough, you can begin to hear one whale wincing:
“Is it just me or is it .002 degrees hotter here than last year? And, what’s with all this food?”
How about that program used on the VGER to communicate with the whales…
I was waiting for someone to bring that up.
Calibration Moment: Whales had their own spacecraft. Silver tootsie roll
VGER wanted to communicate with it’s creator, not whales.
Someone got confused between Star Trek: The Motion Picture, and Star Trek IV.
And to think, it’s all because of a change in 0.08 degrees in ocean temperature since then. Based on these findings, I have reconstructed what whale songs sounded like in the Oligocene:
https://youtu.be/94nDCm4NqIA?t=35
With regard to http://conservationbiology.uw.edu/research-programs/killer-whales/, reason #2 is:
“Disturbance from private and commercial whale watching vessels; …”
It is our fault.
During our one whale-watching expedition out of Victoria, BC, the pod surfaced about 15 metres off the stern of our boat. Guess the boat didn’t disturb them.
But they could have disturbed the boat massively…
My family has been sport fishing for salmon in Puget Sound for 50+ years. Orcas are much more prevalent in the last 20 years. All though they are very cool to see, we are no big fans of them because once they show up, there will be nary a bite from the salmon. I honestly have no idea how many times we have had Orcas swimming within 15 feet of our boat or going under our boat, but it is a regular occurrence. That the Orcas avoided our downrigger lines when going under our boat always amazed me (in the last 10-15 years we pull our lines in and kill our engine when they show up ). We have lots of video including a couple years ago when an Orca came straight at our boat and dove under it when about 20 feet away. That was exciting – in a check your shorts way. As for whale watcher boats, we really hate them. To say they are obnoxious is being polite. I once counted about 50 whale watching boats around a pod.
What? Now we must have ‘whale song stasis’ to correlate with fictional ‘ideal climate stasis’?
These Luddites don’t believe in evolution, neither in whales nor in global climates.
So boy whales have the exact same note as girl whales? And baby whales have the exact same note as grownup whales. And angry whales have the exact same note as calm whales? Amazing, that they all change exactly the same over the last few years!
no proof to backup your claim re: whale sounds all the same.
Impossible claims never have any facts presented
I’m not saying it’s aliens, but it’s …
All Bush’s fault.
Or it’s from high-volume rap.
I’ll put on my gun forecasting cap here and make a prediction. Humpbacks are already cruising all over our coast becoming a navigation hazard while lesser Southern Right numbers have been doubling every decade so they’ll have to come into balance with krill stocks as their numbers recover to pre whaling days. That’s when the old/weak starving ones will begin to wash up on our beaches in earnest and what will the usual suspects blame it on? Expect the iconic starving Polar Bear to be sooooo yesterdays.
I kid you not. Turn on the video with sound turned up, close your eyes and imagine Rosie O’Donnell in the crapper. It really brings It Home!
Shouldn’t the whales which refuse to endorse the CAGW meme be culled, in order to save their children from environmental doom?
I believe the cause of the whale beachings which are occurring more frequently is offshore wind farms, and this change of tone could also be because of that. Whales communicate by low frequency sound, including infra sound. They send navigational information to each other for feeding and mating purposes. Wind turbines emit infra sound, and now there are thousands of them at sea, I believe they are creating a cacophony of noise which screws up the communication between whales, and leads them into danger. I could be wrong, but the increase in beachings by whales and dolphins does seem to have coincided with a huge expansion of offshore wind farms.
Why not offshore drilling ?
Why not offshore pipelines ?
Why not oil platforms exploding and sinking ?
Wind is the LEAST
expensive
harmful
toxic
disastrous
murderous
Form of Energy.
Oh and its #RENEWABLE
But wind is available only 17% of the time. Very reliable of course, you just never know when it will be available. Nor for how long.
You can only rely on it to always fail. Soon.
“you just never know when it will be available. Nor for how long.”
…
Not true. Current weather forecasting models are very accurate three days out. The forecasts include wind speed and direction.
You have not spent many hours in the power plant and wind plant control rooms, have you?
You have spent many hours READING about the ideals of wind power from those who DON’T produce reliable energy, haven’t you?
Power plant and wind plant control rooms aren’t where you want to be. You want to be in the gird operations control room. Ever been to Texas there Mr. 1978 ?
Prove it RACookPE1978
Born and grew up in TX.
Yes, I have watched the plants run, shut down, and startup again a few hours later.
Over and over each day.
RACook1978 What a coincidence so have I.
get some facts
http://blogs.edf.org/energyexchange/2014/06/04/texas-wind-energy-continues-to-blow-us-away/?utm_campaign=edf_evergreenfy19_pd_acq&gclid=Cj0KCQiA6JjgBRDbARIsANfu58H99akO37pQkpdHIU0smzPZIRc5yKN6ldMV6bv1jhTPXPyp86nBjFEaAlAhEALw_wcB
When was the last time you were in Taylor Tx, Mr. RACookPe1978?
anyone else this site runs advertisements titled “Wind, Dumb Energy”
How dumb is that?
could it be that this is a fossil fuel funded site el guapo?
Well, my mother’s grave is a few miles south of there.
Her mother’s, father’s, sisters’ and brothers’.
A few hundred cousins and assorted relatives live near there.
Quite a few chimneys and roads and farms that her ancestors built across that whole region.
Why do you ask?
What ERCOT facility is in Taylor ?
The ERCOT facility is at 2705 W Lake Dr, Taylor, TX 76574
notice taylor evaporated
typical fossil fuel liar