Date: 23/11/18
Andrew Montford, GWPF
Some climate scientists still struggle to cope with people who disagree
So a few days back, Cliff Mass – a Professor of Atmospheric Sciences at the University of Washington as well as a radio weatherman – decided to write something about the wildfires in California, and in particular, the question of whether climate change had played a role. At the end of a long analysis of climatological trends in the area, he drew his conclusions:
Was Global Warming A Significant Factor in California's Camp Fire? The Answer is Clearly No. https://t.co/FjphH8N5tj pic.twitter.com/MhbjsEjSnN
— Cliff Mass (@CliffMass) November 20, 2018
Unexceptionable, you might think. Agree or disagree: show us your data and talk about it.
Well, not in the Alice in Wonderland world of climate science. Take a look at some of the replies, particularly those from a moderately prominent climate scientist called Sarah Myhre.
This. Is. Propaganda. https://t.co/8loAkr0Ey4
— Dr. Sarah E. Myhre (@SarahEMyhre) November 20, 2018
There were many other responses in similar vein. One more moderate-minded reader tried to bring a little sanity to the exchange, but was told in no uncertain terms to be quiet:
Sorry Charles. That's white male identity politics to a T.
— Dr. Sarah E. Myhre (@SarahEMyhre) November 20, 2018
Read the rest of this sad episode here.
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So that Dr sarah Myhre realises she has no counter argument and plays a sexist card to shut down someone who was just prepared to listen to both sides. What an odious person yet another bringing shame to the epithet, Dr.
IMO she’s a train wreck waiting to happen. Her science is based on the narratives of identity politics, emotion and seething misandry. I can’t help but wonder if her ex- felt like he hit the lottery after she left. In spite of this, I highly recommend monitoring her on Twitter for a better understanding of the psychopathy of identity politics. Don’t just read her tweets; click on them to follow the chain of lunacy.
She sounds like more of a climate feminist than a climate scientist.
the headline painting by Edvard Munch from 1893
according to California’s (wherever else than California) culturalist Kelly Grovier is depicting Edison’s light bulb representing horrors of the forthcoming electric age.
When I was in high school I did a lithograph in art class based on that painting. It had that howling face next to an ashtray with human butts in it. I called it “Mother screaming at debutante for leaving butts in ashtray”. I can only wonder what my teacher thought.
That is such a vivid mental image it is a pity you didn’t show a copy of your artwork.
I wish I still had it. But it was an act of rebellion because I didn’t like art class, so it probably went in the trash once I got my grade.
Maybe she’s hormonal.
Probably as the full moon is on the 23rd and her hormones peaking on the 20th? Man hating along with hating everything else? The storm should subside in a few days …. maybe.
I think the female assumption is far too much. She could self-identify as a trainwreck.
Maybe she is INFANTILE.
Accurately said. Behaving like a prick could be hormonal but who cares? She should introduce some logic to her comments. Or just shut up.
The first thing Leftist Liberals* liberate themselves from is logic.
* Believe it or not, there are still liberals in the original sense who actually have open minds and enough good sense to recognize Leftist nonsense when they see it. They even have a sense of humor.
Indeed, a hundred years ago all that would be said was –
“The little lady can’t help it, it’s the hormones you know, female hormones stop girls like her having rational thoughts …
Should I put a /sarc on that?
Why would you need to?
Misandrist.
With an ideology that inflames, reinforces, and justifies this, and other forms of hatred.
It’s the intersection.
Found at the corner of irrationality and stupidity.
…in downtown Ignoramusville…
In a state of confusion.
What may I ask is the sexust racist SarahEMyhre’s PhD in exactly? Social NON science perhaps? She MUST know the ways and means of academic discourse. This is totally unacceptable behaviour making pathetic personal jibes while hiding behind her confused victimhood. She is simply a disgusting troll, a sexist and a racust no more no less making personal attacks without even challenging the conclusion. How predictable from a person who Exhibits a lot of personal problem. Which joke academic field welcomes people capable of no more than the intellectual capacity of intelligent spinal chord? Saddest of all in her racism and sexism she is likely totally ignorant of the meaning of her cretinous words.
Education
University of California, Davis
Doctor of Philosophy (Ph.D.) Climate Change, Oceanography, Climate Communication
2008 – 2014
William and Mitchell College of Law and the National Science Foundation
Expert Witness Training Academy, Effectively Communicating Science Annual Workshop
2012 – 2012
University of Urbino, Italy
Past Global Change Reconstruction and Modeling Techniques
2010 – 2010
Western Washington University
BS Biology
2000 – 2006
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarah-e-myhre-ph-d-a4270437/
“Doctor of Philosophy (Ph.D.) Climate Change, Oceanography, Climate Communication”
Climate Communication???
She talks to the climate?
I talk to the “climate” all the time….F@ur momisugly%#ing rain, F@ur momisugly%#ing snow, F@ur momisugly%#ing wind and my favorite…F@ur momisugly%#ing ice !
She hears things.
She talks to the climate?
She’s the “Climate Whisperer”.
“Doctor of Philosophy (Ph.D.) Climate Change, Oceanography, Climate Communication
2008 – 2014”
a junk mismash meaningless pile of nonsense
This is the sort of rubbish one does to make up for lost time when they take a break from studies n come back years later
No “Social Science,” though, so she may actually know something about something.
From her website sarahmyhre.com
My doctoral research has investigated how the California Current Oxygen Minimum Zone expanded into very shallow waters during the recent deglaciation (<300 m), and that this deoxygenation event occurred on a 10-100 year timeline.
Not really climatology , but somehow the details involved analysis of sediment cores from the ocean floor during ' deglaciation' or as others would put it ' warming that ended the ice age'
Her CV wins the Joseph Goebbels stamp of approval.
“University of Urbino, Italy
Past Global Change Reconstruction and Modeling Techniques
2010 – 2010”
I remember talking to an older colleague who told me that the definition of an expert witness is someone who spent six months working on a subject twenty years ago – and hasn’t done anything like it since.
Communication implies a two-way exchange. Considering how effectively she manages to insult those she disagrees with, it doens’t appear that she learned much, other than a vocabulary that is unintelligible to White males.
Some have claimed that perception is reality. I’d offer that perception is a pseudo-reality that gets immediate correction when someone high on mind altering drugs thinks they can fly and steps off the top of a tall building. In her case, she seems to believe that her doctoral indoctrination is reality, and any difference in opinion is only the result of gender politics. That looks to me very much like a mental aberration.
On the five-year plan for that biology degree, eh? I was on that plan for my geology degree, too, but I first spent three years as a music education major. What’s her excuse?
Here’s a link to her CV. She has a B.S. in Marine Biology and a PhD in ecology.
On the other hand, her online profile is that of an activist.
Ecology is a pseudo science. from Wiki
“Ecology is not synonymous with environmentalism, natural history, or environmental science. It overlaps with the closely related sciences of evolutionary biology, genetics, and ethology. An important focus for ecologists is to improve the understanding of how biodiversity affects ecological function. Ecologists seek to explain:
Life processes, interactions, and adaptations
The movement of materials and energy through living communities
The successional development of ecosystems
The abundance and distribution of organisms and biodiversity in the context of the environment”
The key word in that whole paragraph which is indeed the crux of ecology is the word “biodiversity”. That word has no generally accepted meaning. Everyone would have a different explanation. There is no mathematical or physical meaning to it either. BIODIVERSITY is a crock of shit. Thus ecology is worthless as a field of study. The fact that there are too many predators in an area or the fact of a certain key species dying out in an area ,which will have consequences, can easily be handled in the study of biology. Separating that into a separate field of ecology quickly leads to the term sustainability which again has no meaning. I am afraid that there are many useless faculties nowadays with useless degrees. THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE.
Ecology is the study of Ecosystems. The interactions between various flora and fauna in a particular environment. The information gleaned from ecological studies often help us to better manage forests and agriculture. Foresters, especially, study ecology to understand energy flow in a forest system. The scientific study of ecology can help us to understand many things about an ecosystem that just studying an individual element can’t.
However, the term “ecology” has been co opted by certain elements within our society and by design is now almost meaningless.
This fits right in line with …
“Gizmodo offers an account of recent panel discussion about Mars hosted by Lucianne Walkowicz, the NASA/Library of Congress Chair in Astrobiology, and you have to read this, not to believe it, because of course the real problem with going to Mars is that it would represent ‘colonialism.’ No, seriously, that’s what the thinking is.
I think Musk will “burn the ships” (more likely convert them into sustaining infrastructure) when he gets there. It’s a one way trip for him.
Good.
Dr. Sarah is exactly right … I am a “white, male, denier”. The same “white male” who believes MATH is not neither “sexist” or “racist” as … her kind, believe. That MATH and REAL (un-“smoothed”) statistics are agnostic to sex, race, or politics.
http://newmediacentral.net/math-is-very-racist-and-sexist/
You were a lot kinder than I would have been with Dr Myhre. That was a truly pathetic response of hers.
Hmm, if polite discourse is white male identity why are we so hated?
Of that’s right: smart, intelligent, successful, polite…. Winning.
I’ll take that over the intersectional trans Marxo feminist: attack, play victim, invite violence, hate
I’m so glad and proud to be a white male
Earlier this year, the Australian Senate voted that it wasn’t “Ok to be male”!
Things look dire in Wustralia.
I think that they voted against the statement that “It’s OK to be white”.
“Shut up”, she explained…
Please good people – you must understand her position.
She is a climate fanatic, with a psychotic deep fear of “dangerous runaway global warming” and associated “very-scary climate change”. Cliff Mass has though his comment “invaded her safe space” and caused her “deep trauma” and she is lashing out in retaliation.
The fact that she is wrong about the science and is over-reacting to a false alarm is immaterial. She is acting within her own frame of reference and her need for “personal safe space” must be respected.
That means all the rest of the world must revolve around her needs, and those that fail to do so must be whipped into line by the sharp edge of her harpy’s tongue. Be very afraid – she is a force of nature and is not to be trifled with – she is woman!
So please everyone, tread softly around this batsh!t crazy woman and respect her need for personal “safe space”, even though it tramples your own rights to free speech and freedom of association – she is deeply disturbed and we all must kowtow to her special needs.
[Do I need to say “Sarc/off?”]
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On the other hand:
https://www.thecollegefix.com/student-op-ed-constant-microaggressions-are-a-macro-problem/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=idealmedia&utm_campaign=thecollegefix.com&utm_term=69017&utm_content=2312489
I’ve lived the hard side of life – I managed two armed invasions in the FSU where my people were held at gunpoint, without any bloodshed; recently I prevented Chinese thugs from causing a sour gas incident that could have killed 250,000 people; I’ve done business on six continents in difficult and sometimes very dangerous circumstances; I’ve also recovered my four-year old daughter from a two-month abduction and extortion attempt.
So I’m calibrated differently from the snowflakes.
At the risk of appearing unsympathetic to the snowflakes, I suggest they get a real life, and stop trying to build one out of fantasies of being offended by the slightest of slights. No sensible person should give a damn about their petty complaints. Grow up!
My “safe space” is nice and big – it’s anywhere that nobody is pointing a gun at me or my people, or abducting or threatening us.
So climate alarmism now using feminist SJWism to close down discussion. Bloody digusting.
And racialism
That’s what happens when the numbers (the REAL numbers) aren’t on your side. You resort to identity politics. Or … as it is called … “Environmental Justice”.
Here’s your “Justice” for you … starvation is a thing of the past, and more people have been lifted out of poverty via fossil fuels than ever before in history. That’s what I call … “Justice”.
I bet she’s a barrel of laughs in the pub.
Well, she did tweet that she knows some good beaver jokes.
Were they American “beavers” or Canadian “beavers” ? I have eaten both, one with A1 sauce..
HP sauce is better
She’s a University of Oregon grad?
I remember hiking all day in the Andes at just below 18,000 feet, carrying a backpack of rock samples, and talking more than I should because I was showing a company VP the project, when I started having chest pains. And I remember thinking, Dr. Sarah, this must be that white male identity/privilege deal kicking in.
Good non sequitur, Dr Myhre. And I suppose he is ugly, and his momma dresses him funny, too?
Don’t forget “He has daddy issues” ..(BHO)
CTM,
Should be “There were many other responses in (a) similar vein.” ?
(Sorry to nitpick, old habits die hard..lol)
‘White male identity politics to a T’. Otherwise known as backing up your opinion with published data, rather than just talking out of your arse. I don’t think I’m ever going to fit in with this new generation.
Otherwise known as backing up your opinion with published data, rather than just talking out of your arse
The left consider that “mansplaining”
Whereas “talking out your arse” is mannsplaining.
It is true that making arguments that are well reasoned and well supported is white male identity politics to a T.
However, her implication that making arguments that are not well reasoned or well supported is a feminine attribute is far more controversial.
Although in her case I do respect her privilege.
Well said.
michael
I listened to one of Sara Myhre’s lectures. She is a very scary person who manages to turn science into feminism. Just what we need in a University.
The BBC turns everything into feminism, most recently reporting that the names suggested for a scientist on a new banknote are 3:1 in favour of males. I’m surprised (not) that the ratio is so low.
Same thing in Twitter astronomy circles where male feminazis also thrive. Scary people on a hair-trigger at the most innocuous of replies. It’s tied in with the groupthink thing we were talking about yesterday. They use it to shut down dissent.
Rex Murphy must have had tenure at the far lefty CBC or knew where the bodies were buried to have survived in his job among the Philistines at the Gov funded Canadian Broadcorping Castration. Hes one of about a dozen worldwide who gets a pass for his PoliCor common sense. Keep it up Rex.
Oops – intended for a link in the GWPF thread.
Mhyre is a toxic…
Toxic femininity at its finest.
She’s a poor scientist, her work is shoddy and error ridden, so no wonder this is her recourse, because she cant compete intellectually
I have been told my intelligence ranks in the 99%tile (top end, in case you have to ask), but I eschewed a career as a scientist because I felt my attention to detail, something I viewed as essential to being a good scientist, was too easily distracted. In other words, I would rather not do details. But after seeing pronouncements from so many so-called scientists in today’s world, I think my attention to detail would have been above average, apparently.
Dr. Sarah E. Myhre exhibits female-identity obsessive/compulsive disorder to the T.
Her PhD printed on toilet paper would make a stylish addition to any modern bathroom.
I’m not usually a name-and-shame practitioner, but I’ve made a special exception in her case.
Could she be any less original ?
PhDs (Posthole Diggers) are most handy for putting up fences, which she does in a metaphorically superior manner.
How can someone as ignorant as Sarah possibly not only have a PhD but a position in a university “educating” people. Disgusting!
Al Miller
Rote.
Rote Politik.
Her role is not to educate, but to indoctrinate.
All education is indoctrination. The only relevant question is if it’s beneficial or harmful to the individual, community, and culture.
Dr. Myhre’s behavior is bullying — the tactic of people who have nothing to contribute to the common good.
All education is not indoctrination.
There is a difference between telling someone what the view from a mountain is, and showing them how to climb it and see for themselves.
Well said. Plus 101010
However, it’s impossible to completely separate what is being taught from the value judgements of the teacher. Even the choice of what and what not to teach is a value judgement, a big one.
Gary, not all instruction is the same.
There is education. He is self-educated. He can think and analyse for himself and effectively defend or explain his conclusions to one not familiar with the subject. New information is the breath of life itself and is rapidly incorporated into his adjusted world view.
There is schooling. He is well-schooled in the art. He can replicate the works he was trained to execute and understands how to guide others how to do the same. New information is judged warily as it may conflict with his school of thought. Adopting a new world view is considered apostasy.
There is indoctrination. He is unable to comprehend an alternative point of view. Valid alternative views cannot exist. He is unable to absorb new information and incorporate it into his world view. He examines it until he finds a single point of difference then rejects it, then recites canned responses from a list of standard questions, even when there isn’t a clear connection between the question-response and the new information.
Please let me tag that with “experience is the best teacher”.
So once one has become indoctrinated, they have turned themselves into an NPC? 🙂
from California
Perhaps she toned down her first retort.
Dr. Sarah E. Myhre
@SarahEMyhre
This. Is. White. Man.
I wonder if she feels proud of her quip?
Probably thinks she won the argument?
Most of her students are convinced she has.
Their grades depend on that ….
(8>))
https://twitter.com/SarahEMyhre/status/1065305018503323648
One can see how deranged this woman is. She’s a poor scientist because she is 100% ideologue. She’s angry, bitter [snip~mod]
Peter and Naomi chimed in. Robust debate stars?
Peter Gleick
@PeterGleick
Dear literally everyone,
The two key findings from the latest National Climate Assessment are that #climatechange is already happening and it will affect every aspect of our lives, from #water to food to disasters to health to the economy. #NCA4
Naomi Oreskes
@NaomiOreskes
This is the human face of #climatechange: 52,000 people displaced. 52,000. Let that sink in.
Duhhh, dude. Climate change has ALWAYS been “already happening”. Climate change has never NOT happened throughout the entire history of human kind. Yet we humans adapt and apparently thrive despite all of that horrible climate change. Actually, it WILL be horrible once we enter another glaciation phase.
The face of climate change is all 7 billion of us who are living longer, healthier, happier lives than at any prior era in the history of Earth.
So what else is new?
“The two key findings from the latest National Climate Assessment”
Findings! That’s funny! Claims and speculation are now “findings”.
52,000 displaced, and yet nobody can find even one of them to interview.
This is the human face of #climatechange: 52,000 people displaced. 52,000. Let that sink in.
Vs 120,000,000 people in the developing world predicted to die by 2050 (32 years away) from respiratory conditions because they are forced to inhale the fumes from burning cow shit and foraged twigs. (WHO figures).
That could be largely alleviated by encouraging these countries to build fossil fuel power stations and allow them access to cheap, reliable electricity.
Oh, sorry, I forgot……..It’s 52,000 wealthy westerners who’ll be DISPLACED. How damnably inconvenient.
Let the poverty stricken PERISH in agony in that case!
GRRRRRRRRRRRRR………………………
Don’t forget “He has daddy issues” ..(BHO)
CTM,
Should be “There were many other responses in (a) similar vein.” ?
(Sorry to nitpick, old habits die hard..lol)
“Don’t forget “He has daddy issues” ..(BHO)”
Hmmmm, this does not belong here…oops ? D’OH !
+ 120,000,001 likes .. ( I have to supply the “likes” for the 120,000,000 people that you are referring to because they do not and will not have Internet…or electricity, or clean water ….etc…)
The absolute state of western science.
Reduced to nothing but ideological SJW blabbering.
Even Lysenkoism seems like the epitome of reason in comparison.
“SJW” = “Social Justice Warrior”, right ?
Dr. Myhre apparently revels in serving as the self licking ice cream cone of male misogyny. She is the action that inevitably invites the ugly reaction.
Such a mental midget trying to function in the world of scholarship. Proof that education does not mean the educated are smart.
Sarah Myhre is a typical SJW. Loathsome creature.
I’d never heard of this woman before, so I checked her LinkedIn profile. I came away with the impression that she is a pale (but heavily make-up’d) version of Rachel Carson. Not a lot of meat in her educational background and professional accomplishments, but at least her bachelor’s degree is a BS, rather than a BA (compared to Carson’s BA & MA degrees). Still, it apparently took her 6 years to achieve what is normally done in 4. (Calculus, labs, and rigorous field work can be tough.)
Also like Carson, being able to talk/write about science-y stuff done by others is apparently sufficient to claim being a true scientist.
Cliff brought a data based argument. That merits a data based response.
It really is that simple. Instead character assassination is the reponse.
Feminists hate data. All of their myths vanish when they come into contact with data.
Inter sectional ideology is anti science by it’s very nature.
And WHY didn’t he get one, Steven?
Good point, Mosh-man.
Did he get any response from other scientists?
I popped over to Cliff Mass’ site and do not see any comments by Dr. Myhre following the article he wrote about the Camp Fire. Can you link to where they actually reside, not just a link to GWPF?
Here’s one
https://twitter.com/CliffMass/status/1064927873557913600
She is a rotter and a stinker. Third wave feminist with huge SJW tendencies. Science, not so much.
That quote perfectly identifies everything that is wrong with modern liberals.
Messed up the block quotes, one “White male identity politics” should have been in them.
Sarah is also at U of Wash and is a participant in several of these recent reports.
semyhre@uw.edu
From the article: “as Global Warming A Significant Factor in California’s Camp Fire? The Answer is Clearly No.
— Cliff Mass (@CliffMass) November 20, 2018”
Someone needs to show this to the CAGW True Believer I saw on Fox News yesterday. It was a female, Liberal commenter (I forget her name) and she was just certain that CAGW was proven and that the fires in California were evidence.
She was clueless about CAGW and Chris Wallace of Fox News is clueless about CAGW.
Fox News needs to get Mark Steyn in on this Climate Change conversation. Give him his own show and let him interview all those invovled in the CAGW debate on both sides. If you want to understand the problem then you need to listen to Mark Steyn.
The Democrats are going to put CAGW back on the table, so Mark Steyn and Fox News needs to shine some light on this subject.
Tom Abbott
“Climate change: UK summers could be over 5C warmer by 2070”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-46343103
This is all over the BBC today. Announced hourly on the Radio, probably on every channel.
It’ll receive plentiful coverage on all the BBC TV News tonight as well.
But we’re heading for another shindig for the global climate change alarmist faithful so what can we expect? Doubtless further alarmist announcements will follow.
UK summers 5C warmer – thank God.
Yes but in the ranting hysteria that passes for BBC climate coverage they slipped in the usual escape clause about “in 50 years time”.
So actually just the usual delusional projection we have come to expect from the BBC. At the same time the BBC is starting a campaign to persuade the public that over 75 year olds should give up their entitlement to a free TV licence and pay the exorbitant annual fee to receive its green propaganda. I suggest writing to members of Parliament asking for the abolition of the licence fee altogether so that the reality of pay to view founded on choice by viewers kicks in.
That is a whopping 1C per decade, so a mere 10 years from now we should know if the prediction is correct. I’m thinking of placing a bet that it doesn’t happen, but the details are tricky to get right.
Hotscot: I heard the BBC news on PM. They were saying that the south coast of England would be like the south of France in 50 years’ time. All I could hear was the sound of lots of people in Bournemouth saying, “Oh YES!!!”
WRT my previous comment- never mind. I had missed this was all on Twitter & these were tweets in response to Dr. Mass’ tweet, summarizing his conclusion and linking to the article. Which, I might add, is loaded with data and links to sources. I find it more than ironic that Dr. Myhre throws the “propaganda ” word around, while completely refusing to engage on the data. Nakedly political and pure propaganda. Not science.
Sorry Sarah. That’s lockstep drone like compliance to a T.