And to contrast with the French protesting too much climate mitigation policy, we have the [some in the] UK protesting not enough ~ctm
The demonstrators say human extinction is possible if world governments fail to do significantly more on climate change.
More than 70 people have been arrested in London after a protest which blocked five of the capital’s bridges to demand urgent action on climate change.
The group Extinction Rebellion staged a sit-in on Blackfriars, Waterloo, Westminster, Lambeth and Southwark bridges.
Coordinated action took place at sites around the UK and the globally.
The largest crowds were on Westminster Bridge, with police keeping watch as protesters – some carrying banners – blocked the normally busy bridge.
Sky News reporter Phil Edwards said there were around 1,000 people taking part in the protest next to the Houses of Parliament. Organisers said more than 6,000 people were involved.
Dr Bradbrook said blocking the bridges was necessary after other protests, marches and letters to MPs had achieved little.
Oblique HT/Patrick Fine
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If perhaps Gail Bradbrook did serious time for malicious mischief and conspiracy, they might be a bit less prone to use such tactics.
What about those people who wasted all the tea by dumping it in the harbor? What should have been their punishment?
Drinking it all…..
Yes. I am sure they failed to warm the harbour first!
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Were they caught, they would indeed have been punished. But they had no vote, so the democratic avenue was not open to them, and therefore a little more tolerance might be accorded.. I’ve often wondered, if it had not been for stupidity and ignorance in London, there might today be one transatlantic nation. Perhaps with its capital to the west of the pond.
The underlying issue was the very slow communication mechanisms that then existed between Britain and America which instead required a few inadequate people to make and then enforce rules and laws. Britain was ahead of its time at first and then unable to cope as the colonies expanded. Sad because a lot of lives were lost in the process.
I have always thought that the the Boston Tea Party were only half right,they should have dumped the
Coffee beans in the harbor as well. After all the coffee beans are used to make an equally nauseous
drink to that made with tea leaves. Yes I am a Brit that drinks neither Tea nor Coffee,Diet Coke is how
I get my daily caffeine fix.
You poor misguided person. Tea is God’s own drink, but Coffee is one of lifes greatest disappointment, smells great tastes awful but apparently contains antioxidants. Diet Coke is just naff. Drink tea is my advice.
If one leaves coffee on a warmer too long, it does get bad, but Anglos in the US tended to drink what was almost water and called it coffee. Once upon a time, the only place to get reliably good coffee was Italian restaurants. Starbucks is grossly overpriced, but does make an attempt.
Diet Coke is it own punishment.
Had they been caught, they would have had to pay for the tea destroyed.
If you take the position that you can ignore the law if you feel strongly enough, then there is no law.
Even Gandhi and MLK were willing to accept the legal consequences for their actions.
Oh, they knew they were doing a rebellious act. The rule of doing a rebellion is to win it. This was just the actions of a spoiled brat, who expects no retribution.
Liberals, and we are still being punished…
I t seems to me that this stupid woman Gail Bradbrook should be prosecuted for taking it upon herself to close five London bridges to support her ridiculous claims that human extinction is possible within her lifetime. Democracy does not exist in the eyes of these ridiculous people. Yes, let them have their outrageously stupid beliefs that the world is coming to an end, but no, they should have no rights whatsoever to bring a major part of London to a standstill in an endeavour to force people to accept their minority beliefs, and that they know better than the overwhelming majority of society. If the law does not currently exist to protect society from these nut cases then it is time that one is brought in by parliament, as their success on this occasion could lead to even greater disruptions of London in the future.
Laws do exist to deal with them. The problem is that they are rarely enforced rigorously. This is what has led to the sense of entitlement so commonly displayed in the green movements. They think it is OK to disrupt the lives and living of any amount of other people because they are not made to suffer appropriate legal consequences.
The problem is that the government WANT to do what these idiots are demanding, therefore they won’t prosecute them. Had anti-idiocy protesters done the same, the government would have thrown the book at them.
The ‘Green’ movement in the UK is essentially just another branch of the government. Literally in some cases, as the government gives money to ‘green’ charities, or did a few years ago.
This kind of greenie thinking has indeed penetrated so deeply into Scottish politics that the SNP take the advertising spiel of the wind turbine sellers at face value. I would ask them why, after all would they take similar claims by a soap powder manufacturer at face value? Or, a used car dealer?
On what basis do they assume that wind turbine marketers are somehow operating on a totally different level of trustworthiness than the rest of the sales brigade? It actually gets worse, because in the push for battery cars they now ARE literally taking the word of car salesmen at face value.
Maybe I should try to sell them a consignment of free energy magnet motors.
Westminster does seem to be a bit more level-headed though. They’re now requiring that windfarms meet their dispatchable energy claims.
They are protesting a doomsday scenario “…if world governments fail to do significantly more on climate change.” When ironically “Governments doing more” will destroy the world economically and throw the world population into a new Dark Age by exponentially increasing danger for human kind due to the laws of Unintended Consequences, brought about by Governments spending other peoples money to enrich bureaucrats sucking from the Pork Barrel teat, all the while creating new problems attempting to resolve non-problems while the Propaganda Ministry (MSM) reports on new nonexistent dangers from the original non-problems,ignoring the new and very real problems that the Government is creating. Such is our collective madness in this Post-Modernist Age.
Tis a new religion without any need for a god at all.
A hypothetical Gaia does instead.
Gaia is (was?) a goddess.
The argument that all gods are hypothetical is not needed here in this case.
I remain of the opinion that these people commune with their idols quite frequently, that is, whenever they pass by a mirror.
With a con-gregation of phoney concern-trolls.
Someone turn the gas off for a few months,
They do have a symbol though. Not unlike the one the Romans used to nail people to.
I have a feeling that Gaia actually created us to release some of that sequestered CO2 from previous geological eras, because it was getting a mite hard for for her plants the breathe. If we go ‘100% renewable’ then she might just decide we are a failure and replace us with a species which will do the job properly. 😉
Thick coats, woolly hats, gloves and scarves, lots of global warming going on there.
And LOTS of acrylics, plastics etc.. all from fossil fuels.
I hope they all WALKED home, and didn’t just go back to their cars.
AS IF !!!
Few will have gone back to their cars. It is, for the most part, quite impractical to take a car into central London these days: massively expensive, if you can find a place to park at all. Maybe a bit easier Sundays. Many will have been bussed in from the provinces, and will return to the coaches.
I’m sure they were all bussed in and out. These are not “spur of the moment” demonstrations.
Well I think it cost me £70 for half a day in the West End, earlier this year
But at least I didn’t have to use the sodding TUBE.
AKA DiseasesRUS
In the first photo, I see an individual carrying what looks like a professionally-made plastic-coated sign: “rebel for life” or something like that. Often these events attract the full-time professional protesters who what to pimp their own agendas.
Rebel For Any Cause You Got
Human extinction scenarios are paranoid psychotic delusion. Indigenous humans have thrived in every harsh environment without modern technology.
Yes and the king of all the psychos….Guy McPherson
But climate snowflakes will melt if the temperature rises 0.5°C
Very true, gyan1. I would venture that there is more danger of human extinction if the paranoid fantasies of these catastrophists were to be adopted as policy.
The planet doesn’t care if we survive or not.
And the only way we will ever outlive the planet is if we get off it. That won’t happen without fossil fuels, either.
There is a very good article over at Climate Etc. by Andy West, about “The Catastrophe Narrative”:
https://judithcurry.com/2018/11/14/the-catastrophe-narrative/
This deserves wide exposure, it shows that mainstream published climate research (leaving aside sceptical work) gives no support whatsoever to extravagant catastrophe claims (eg global catastrophe within a century or two). Thus – again even leaving aside skeptics opinion – it shows profound disconnect and dishonesty where high profile figures are making catastrophe predictions for political effect, devoid of (even) mainstream scientific support, but scientists who know better are failing in their professional duty to refute such claims, and are instead holding a disgraceful silence.
I second that, with enthusiasm.
Please, do study the Andy West article. Geoff
West will have Part 2 of his article up there within a week.
Meanwhile, Judith Curry has an all-time great article up today, “Admitting Mistakes in a Hostile Environment.”
https://judithcurry.com/2018/11/19/admitting-mistakes-in-a-hostile-environment/
I read the J Curry post. Well done, and many relevant points raised, plus a couple of enjoyable links.
She comments that the new tree ring papers (2017) rely (again) on trip bark proxies, without which there is no hockey stick, in spite of repeated calls to drop them as unfit for purpose.
These people all ignore the most obvious solution: jumping off the bridge!
Lemmings?
Lemmings – thrown off a cliff by fake documentary makers. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/white-wilderness/
My vote goes for pumping quite a lot of what goes under the bridge onto these clots – not necessarily at high pressure but lots of it though….
If these protesters truly believe the UK will be extinguished by CO2, should not their ire be directed at the largest CO2 emitter? That being China, what good does it do to stand on a bridge in London demanding action from your PM? Wake me up when they protest in China.
Wake me up when they protest in China.
Ahhh.. but how will they get there 😉
They could start by protesting at their embassy. But, they don’t.
They don’t do it because the know the Chinese Government don’t take fools, or dissent, gladly. Look up the Tienanmen Square massacre.
The Tiananmen Square dissenters were not fools. Yes, the Chinese government didn’t tolerate the dissent, but that doesn’t make them the good guys. They are evil.
Likewise the Tibetans setting themselves on fire in protest are not fools either. They realise that the endgame of the CCP’s occupation is the extermination of their race.
Yes. Exactly the point. And this is why the other piece in the Guardian about the 5C rise due to China etc is so significant.
Previously the party line in the Guardian has been that catastrophic warming was coming solely due to the malice of white Anglo men in the UK and the US, and that if the UK would only install more wind and solar, and the US de-industrialize and elect Hilary, by then in her late nineties, but never mind, still the best qualified candidate ever….
Well, that would save the planet, surely?
But notice: the focus of the demonstration is not about the warming. And notice that the Guardian is featuring a story that says that the problem is not with the US and the UK, not even with Donald Trump. One of the few things that is not Trump’s fault. No, the fault is being admitted to be with China etc.
The earth is shifting as we watch. Pretty soon the narrative will change abruptly, and we will always have been at war with Oceana….
They don’t like their PM – she is (nominally) right-wing.
They DO like China – it is (nominally) left-wing……
Given the economic trajectories of the two blocks, it’s hard to say which side is more socialist anymore.
East or West.
After the Arab oil producing nations, Australia is the largest per capita emitter of co2. Keep some ire for the antipodes.
A whole 6000 supporters you could more than that by offering a community sausage sizzle. Look on the bright side the BBC would have a positive story about climate change 🙂
We had more folks at the “Santa” parade on the weekend. At least Santa is real!!!
I would simply suggest cutting off all fossil fuels in the UK. That will solve the “problem”. These people are clinically insane.
Joey wrote:
“I would simply suggest cutting off all fossil fuels in the UK. That will solve the “problem”.”
That would probably “solve” the problem all right – 85% of global primary energy is fossil fuels. In a few months, most Brits would be dead from starvation and exposure.
But what about green energy? Green energy is a farce that doesn’t even lower CO2 emissions, because spinning reserve is required, typically from fossil fuels, to “fill-in” when the wind drops.
Increasing atmospheric CO2 will at most cause only minor, beneficial warming, not runaway catastrophic warming like the warmist hysterics allege, but even if it did, current green energy schemes are NOT a solution – they simply do not reduce CO2 emissions because of the fatal flaw of intermittency.
So the greens are wrong about everything – they have the science wrong so they have created a false problem – and then they created a false solution. The only question left is:
“(1) Are the greens really this stupid, or (2) is this a deliberate hoax, intended for other objectives?”
(2) is correct!
There is a non-trivial number of number 1’s in there as well.
it’s not exclusively an “or” situation, both options can co-exist. There are a significant number of greens that really are this stupid *and* there is a good bit of “intended for other objectives” going on.
I’d reword your (largely rhetorical) question as:
“(1) Are the greens really this stupid, and/or (2) is this a deliberate hoax, intended for other objectives?”
Thank you all – “and/or” is more correct.
In my defense, I posted this note after arriving home from ~30-hours of travel, consisting of five airports, four flights, 14 time zones and 1 international date line.
This sounds tiring, until you realize that our ancestors arrived in North America from Europe after sailing for weeks on wooden ships that were only slightly better than slave ships, often driven from their homes by war, hunger, persecution and deprivation.
We have it easy today.
I suggest interviewing each of those protesters and offer to immediately cut off all fossil fuels to their homes and take away all their fossil fuel derived gadgets (such as iPhones, laptops, etc) and clothing (anything made with synthetic fibers, which is likely the entirety of their wardrobe) as a staring point solution to the “problems” they are protesting about. Wanna bet that they won’t like that solution?
“The demonstrators say human extinction is possible if world governments fail to do significantly more on climate change.”
Human extinction is possible – full stop. There, fixed it for ya. Just ask the dinosaurs and woolly mammoths.
Human extinction is inevitable… what ever we do… it’s natures way.
But try & leave as little mess as possible for the next occupant.
whinging poms . . .
warren
Excellent!
I want some to chuck at the whinging sassenachs I’m compelled by circumstance to live with.
Maybe I’ll just Haggis bomb them. 🙂
Aren’t Haggis bombs against the Geneva Convention?
When Haggis is outlawed, only outlaws will have Haggis.
They can have it.
Dr Gail Bradbrook (dressed like Eskimo Nell in a November London ravaged by climate change) believes that potholes in roads are a good thing because they damage your car and you have to get it repaired, so creating employment and economic benefit.
I recall that Margaret Thatcher was accused of starting the Green movement when she was fighting the Coal Miners s Union and advocating Nuclear Power as a alternative to the use of coal.
False as it probably started way back with Racial Carson, then others joined the movement for various reasons.
Today that reason seems most likely to be the UN on behalf of the so called Third World Nations, reason , to get money out of the rich ? Western Nations.
Plus the dreams of many in the UN for a World Government, run by them of course.
MJE
CTM – Can I suggest that a 1000 over-privileged children having a tantrum does not equate to “we have the UK protesting”
SteveTa
An excerpt from the comments section of Cliscep (https://cliscep.com/2018/11/17/macrons-climate-waterloo/?utm_source=CCNet+Newsletter&utm_campaign=31345f4540-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_11_19_02_30&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_fe4b2f45ef-31345f4540-36447077) I found highly amusing.
“*XR people. Here are some of those who took part in the nuisance actions on Monday and Wednesday this week:
A bespoke shoemaker who teaches monks how to oppose the arms trade; an outdoor educator and self-described goat-stroker at an ecopsychological mentoring collective; an ecotherapist with six children and a yurt who opposes the arms trade; a polyamorous wombstriker who sang on the soundtrack of John Lewis’s 2016 Christmas ad and opposes the arms trade; a Catholic anarchist (a real thing, apparently) ex-junkie who opposes the arms trade, has six children and once had a trial with Swansea City; a Catholic priest who has spent 20 years being arrested and sometimes imprisoned for protests against nuclear weapons and the arms trade; an anti-airport Quaker who took a break from organising road-blocking protests at Heathrow to fly to Costa Rica and take hallucinogenic drugs while her hosts, wealthy American ex-junkies, rubbed Tibetan singing bowls and played the didgeridoo; two of Michael Frayn’s grandsons, identical twins who have gained a large following among Da Yoot as corporate-funded globe-trotting travel vloggers and who, together and separately, have visited the USA, Somalia, Sri Lanka, India, Bhutan, Singapore, Indonesia, Hong Kong, mainland China, Japan, Kiribati and no doubt a few other far-flung places in the last 12 months; and a globe-trotting vagina-steaming acupuncturist who is the daughter of a French garlic magnate and the actress who played Betty Whistler in Hi-de-Hi.”
[We’re fairly confident you only needed to make this comment once, but since it’s you, we’ll let it slide through again… -mod]
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It was on another thread wasn’t it?
Sorry if not.
Late reply. Updated.
I used to wonder how entire nations of people could believe in fascism and watching how people are so willing to demonstrate and be manipulated by such bankrupt ideas, I still wonder.
@jon O Beard,
I too used to wonder how an entire nation of people could believe in such fantasies, and how people are so willing to demonstrate and be manipulated by Soros types welding such bankrupting fantasies.
I put it down to many UK people being educated to obey an authority figure, and when they find these figures have faults and failing they are very confused. They attempt thinking for themselves, however they have not been trained in critical thinking, and thus are very susceptible to easy answers offered by charlatans, and to mass delusions fueled by the echo chamber of social media.
And an authority figure that taps into our primal concerns of survival for self and family. The fear – coming from an authority – provides a powerful motivation.
This double-whammy psychology is exploited by trained marketers and is not accidental or haphazard.
It’s amazing what you can get people to do if you just promise them enough free stuff.
And when you scare them with enough imaginary boogeymen.
I wonder how many of those have fitted solar panels to their rooves. How many have all electric home heating. How many have electric cars. How many have stopped eating beef and lamb. Until they have done all that they are just hypocrites.
Oh and I forgot, how many fly abroad on holidays.
I see that Boris Johnston’s £320,000 water cannons have been flogged off for £11,000 – pffff…. they’d have been useful dousing the soap dodgers on London bridges at the weekend….
You poor misguided person. Tea is God’s own drink, but Coffee is one of lifes greatest disappointment, smells great tastes awful but apparently contains antioxidants. Diet Coke is just naff. Drink tea is my advice.
A tiny number of useful idiots, well wrapped up against the cold.
After the fall of the Soviet Union, it was interesting to read what the Soviet leaders actually thought of the “useful idiots” in the west.
The only thing dumber than the claims of disaster is the suggested solution : renewable energy.
These people are incredibly ignorant about the low carbon power generation technology (molten salt nuclear power) that is certain to eliminate fossil fuels and renewables due to a variety of reasons , including inherent safety, low cost, flexible siting.
I hear they are not going to pussyfoot about any longer, they are going to up the action, the next move is more radical: ‘The Extinction Rebellion Activists are going on an indefinite mass hunger strike.’ (swenekaf)
Oh look at the little darlings, recording themselves “saving the world” on their plasic mobile phones.
Zealots for Climate Scientology.
Total madness………
reckon the avg age is 20 or so?
the old adage
be careful what you wish for….
love to see the coalpower gen chaps go on strike n see how long it took to wake em up
AH – that happens FREQUENTLY in South Africa, and also when power stations run out of coal. Then we get what is called “load shedding” or less politely as “rolling blackouts”. Great when you’ve just put a roast or a casserole into the oven, and find there’ll be no power for another 4 (or 8 or once 12) hours.
With a bit of luck, the ‘insiders’ who’ve been robbing the state (including the power company) blind over the last 10 years will finally be facing jail.
Human extinction may be imminent not due to climate change but because we stopped using our brains and went stupid.