In response to this ridiculous letter in the Guardian saying “we won’t share a debate platform with skeptics” Marc Morano writes:
Climate activists and scientists supporting the alleged “consensus” on man-made global warming have a long history of suppressing debate and intimidation scientists into silence. As a new round of calls go out to shut down scientific debate,
See: Global Warming Alarmists — Media Pressure to end Debate – & SILENCE DISSENT: 60 climate ‘campaigners’ sign letter demanding media keep skeptics out of the news – Say they will not appear in media with skeptics
Editor’s Note: The following is an excerpt from author Marc Morano’s new 2018 best-selling book, The Politically Incorrect Guide to Climate Change.
Losing and Ducking Debates
In 2007, a high-profile climate debate between prominent scientists ended with global warming skeptics being voted the clear winner by a tough New York City audience. The debate was sponsored by the Oxford-style debating group Intelligence Squared and featured a three-on-three debating format. Before the start of the nearly two-hour
debate, the audience polled 57.3% to 29.9% in favor of the proposition that global warming was a “crisis.”
But following the debate, the numbers had completely flipped to 46.2% to 42.2% in favor of the skeptical point of view, argued by MIT scientist Richard Lindzen, University of London professor emeritus Philip Stott, and the physician-turned novelist-and-filmmaker Michael Crichton. After the stunning victory, NASA’s Gavin Schmidt, one of the scientists on the losing side promoting belief in a climate “crisis,” excused the defeat by noting that his debate team was “pretty dull” and at “a sharp disadvantage” against the skeptical scientists. Scientific American agreed, saying the warmists “seemed
underarmed for the debate and, not surprising, it swung against them.” NASA’s Schmidt appeared so demoralized that he realized that debating skeptical scientists was not something he would ever want to do again. “So are such debates worthwhile? On balance, I’d probably answer no (regardless of the outcome),” Schmidt wrote.
In 2013, Schmidt was true to his word, refusing to even appear alongside skeptical climatologist Roy Spencer on John Stossel’s Fox TV program. Schmidt literally walked off the set when Spencer came on to talk.
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Hollywood producer James Cameron, responsible for such mega hits as Titanic and Avatar, has also been a huge climate activist. Cameron once challenged skeptics to a public debate using the rhetoric of an Old West gunslinger: “I want to call those deniers out into the street at high noon and shoot it out with those boneheads.”
In 2010, Cameron’s representatives reached out to me to assemble a skeptical debate team to face off against the producer at a public event. We agreed to the terms; Ann McElhinney and the late Andrew Breitbart were going to be joining me on the skeptical side of the debate.
I was flying to Aspen, Colorado, for the great global warming Wild West showdown when Cameron got cold feet and canceled the debate. At the very last moment, Cameron pulled the plug on a debate he himself had initiated and organized. When my connecting flight landed in Denver, I was informed that the debate was off. The official reason given by Cameron’s spokesman was that “Morano is not at Cameron’s level to debate, and that’s why it didn’t happen.
Cameron should be debating someone who is similar to his stature in our society.” But the real reason had nothing to with “stature in society” and more to do with fear of losing a climate debate. Cameron backed out of the debate at the last minute after environmentalists “came out of the woodwork” to warn him not to engage in a debate with skeptics because it was not in his best interest.
I responded to Cameron’s last-minute debate ducking with this statement: “Cameron let his friends in the environmental community spook him out of this debate. When he was warned that he was probably going to lose and lose badly, he ran like a scared mouse.” Cameron had gone from Wild West gunslinger to chicken of the sea. But Cameron’s real failing is not his debate cowardice; it is his indifference to the needs of the developing world.
No Wonder Cameron Ducked Debates
In 2010, Cameron and actress Sigourney Weaver flew to Brazil to protest a dam that would be one of the world’s largest hydroelectric projects. Even then Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, of the leftist Workers’ party, objected to Cameron’s attempts to keep energy out of the developing world and “argued that the dam will provide clean energy and is needed to meet current and future energy needs.”47 Cameron opposed a dam—now under construction—that will bring vital electricity to Brazilians. Cameron flew to the developing world to campaign against improving the lifestyles
of its poor citizens.
But Cameron seems to be guided by his own form of utopian philosophy. “We are going to have to live with less,” the fabulously wealthy producer told the Los Angeles Times in 2010. Cameron, whose net worth was estimated
at around $900 million in 2014,49 warned that we face “a dying world if we don’t make some fundamental changes about how we view ourselves and how we view wealth.” He warned against the “consumer society where you buy something and then throw it away when you get the next new thing, filling up huge landfills with plastic and electronics.”
Cameron also wants Americans to change their ways. “Honestly, the truth is, we have to revisit almost every part of our lives and our existence over the next few years. Energy consumption, I think, being the biggest one.
Energy and global warming are interlinked issues obviously,” the producer explained.
But revisiting “almost every part of our lives” did not seem to impact Cameron’s personal life. He owned not one but two adjacent eight-thousand square-foot mansions in Malibu—and a submarine.
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Life on earth is at stake, but public opinion is divided! Yet the alarmist crowd doesn’t feel that building a consensus for action is necessary.
Do they have a totalitarian solution in mind? Are they thinking about some kind of “temporary” suspension of democracy?
Absolutely yes, Steve O, some of them do. Over the years we see occasional pieces at places like The Guardian or Puffington Host lamenting the failure of democracy to do what they want. They have praised the virtues of the Chinese style of government, where they “can get things done” for the greater good (just like Pol Pot did, I guess, in Cambodia).
What else is new…. oh, maybe they will pretend to be interested in what you have to say, but they aren’t listening… they’ll shame body that doesn’t know, but where’s the exit when they come across some one who is knowledgeable
About that Intelligence Squared Debate and this quote; “After the stunning victory, NASA’s Gavin Schmidt, one of the scientists on the losing side promoting belief in a climate “crisis,” excused the defeat by noting that his debate team was “pretty dull” and at “a sharp disadvantage” against the skeptical scientists. ” I think people might be interested to observe Richard Lindzen’s low key approach in that debate for
themselves. What the heck is Mr. Schmidt talking about? Skip to just after the 8 minute mark at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-28qNd6ass
There you go looking at facts again. You weren’t supposed to go and watch the debate, just believe. Gavin works at NASA, how could his word be wrong?
Yea, most people and the MSM won’t check what was said, and if it was true. This is how the lie gets such a head-start on the truth. The truth only hits when reality hits.
Crichton was a freakin’ genius. Only the good (and brilliant) die young.
RIP, genius lover of humanity and truth.
A man who made a good living enlightening and entertaining the world without reliance on grants. What a star.
I’d say hero, but I reserve that accolade for my comrades in arms who gave all or major parts of themselves in the service of freedom.
Climate alarmism often resembles a faith based religion.
No reasoned argument will be entered into,
either you accept our dogma or you are a heretic.
Real scientists, including some of the greatest, are never afraid to debate publicly. Nor should any scientist be. It’s not all that different from writing papers against each other’s conclusions.
Part of the scientific method is being savaged by opponents, who in an ideal world remain friends, or at least cordial acquaintances.
Unfortunately, also some of the greatest fail in this test of human decency, to include one of the very greatest, Newton. And the 19th century anatomist Owen, coiner of “dinosaur”, who was even worse. A lot
Huxley and Wilberforce remained on amicable terms after their famous Oxford debate on evolution, but Owen and Huxley, not so much.
IMO Einstein and Bohr also remained on cordial terms after their perhaps slightly less famous debate.
Unfortunately, his debate with Bergson probably cost him a second Nobel Prize:
http://nautil.us/issue/35/boundaries/this-philosopher-helped-ensure-there-was-no-nobel-for-relativity
Even though he was right and the philosopher was wrong.
“the alleged “consensus””
…down the rabbit hole we go where we lie about lying.
“calls go out to shut down scientific debate”
Whaat?
Because they should feel obliged to provide some shouting head a platform? That is neither shutting down nor scientific if this bozo has anything to do with it.
“Even 30 years later, scientists still have not nailed down the absolute value of climate sensitivity, and it remains quite uncertain.”
Right. Until they “nail it down” to the satifaction of a few, internet cranks who have already decided.
Shameless and desparate attack on the clear consensus position of the vast majority, not that you’d realise if you get all your information – from down a rabbit hole.
It has been nailed down to the satisfaction of no one who would dare honestly to call him or herself a scientist.
Since 1979, it has been the same WAG “estimate” of 1.5 to 4.5 degrees C. Any ECS higher than 1.7 has no evidentiary support from the real world, but that doesn’t matter to alarmists.
There is nothing decided. Anything that says consensus is political science. Dumbass.
That “clear consensus position of the vast majority” is so wrong in so many ways.
But just in case you ever return to read the reply:
1. Consensus in science is meaningless.
2. The vast majority of what?
3. Most people don’t believe in the catastrophic warming.
4. Some top science bodies of the US do belive it.
5. The US is not the whole world.
The overwhelming majority of scientists in the relevant fields say:
1. Adding CO2 raises the global temperature.
2. CO2 increase and thus temperature rise since 1850 is anthropogenic.
3. ECS is likely between 1.5°C and 4.5°C.
4. and if we end up near the middle of that range we’re ***ked.
But no, lets wait until we’ve nailed it down to the nearest deciamal point – so that we can be certain we’re ***ked.
Privately they say we already are.
Exactly – and this sums up the point of a “debate” nicely……
“1. Adding CO2 raises the global temperature.
2. CO2 increase and thus temperature rise since 1850 is anthropogenic.
3. ECS is likely between 1.5°C and 4.5°C.
4. and if we end up near the middle of that range we’re ***ked.”
This just highlights how awful climate science has been and to include the word science in this is almost insulting to social science.
2) Not true, (since the 1970’s) there was a strong agreement solar activity warmed the planet until the 1940’s. The only anthropogenic argument was after the ice age scare in the 1970’s. Global temperatures cooled between the 1940’s and the 1970’s that had nothing to do with rising CO2 levels also.
3) Only agreement was based on climate models not representing real data or observations. Climate models have a lot of critics between scientists.
4) Total assumption not based on any scientific evidence. There has been no agreement on temperature trends with the goal posts changing. The alarmists keep calling the shots, but failing each time. The IPCC do recently have this now at 2.0c above industrial levels, but not many agree.
Basically the climate science scare is only based on one thing that 1) “adding CO2 raises the global temperature.” To achieve the levels in the IPCC require a positive feedback that has never been found to exist. Nothing else is supported by using the scientific method. The IPCC is just politically controlled and had cherry picked which science articles they want to use to support the cause. There is no open mind thought process involved and only leads to the pre determined conclusion. Therefore without including any evidence against its claims, the true meaning of science becomes absent.
Gabbin’ B Schiedt
Gavin Schmidt is a fool. Why does he think that an argument with himself would be “good TV?” He dresses poorly, slouches, has a terrible speaking voice and exhibits no signs of being a thinker, let alone a scientist. What delusional self-regard leads him to imagine himself watchable?
It’s hilarious watching Leftists trying to defend their disconfirmed CAGW hypothesis…
CAGW advocates’ grand strategy is to censor skeptical CAGW opinions in social media, newspapers, TV and radio, and to refuse open debate on the subject.
If CAGW is such an irrefutable fact, CAGW advocates would wish to encourage open debate against CAGW skeptics, because of the supposed overwhelming empirical evidence that confirms the CAGW hypothesis…but…., alas…
Leftists realize CAGW has become a joke. They’re simply doing all they can to keep this sc@m going for as long as possible in order to squeeze every last tax dollar from taxpayers and usurp as much political power as possible before this absurd CAGW sc@m is tossed on the trash heap of history..
Leftists are so hilariously deluded… They really are a sad lot.
Yes but “populism”.
“Populism” is code name for “most people are so stupid they listen to the person who hurls insults”.
BTW climatists and leftists hurl insults all the time.
I never understood this. If they are so sure that they are right, then debate and destroy the skeptics. Why hide and evade? Even if you are an alarmist, you should still think that this is pretty irresponsible. If the whole Earth was in danger, then what we need is more discussion and debate, not less.
But they don’t do that. Instead they hide and evade. They use logical fallacies. What does comparing climate “denial” to flat-earthers has to do with anything? That is their favorite tactic. Climate isn’t the shape of the Earth. Two different things. Everyone should agree to this.
And then these people wonder why the public isn’t concerned.
One only has to research some of the professions of the signatories to the letter to realise why they would never want to debate global warming with the likes of Mark Morano, Richard Lindzen, Roy Spencer, Johm Stossal or Anrthony Watts. There is not a climate scientists amongst them, although there are a couple who are vaguely associated with the science. Here are just a few of their professions: 8 Members of Parliament. 10 Authors, An animal Rights Activist, LGBT Activist, Editor of the Morning Star, Director Tax Research UK,. Professor American Literature, Researcher ‘The Cultural Significance of Film and TV’. Author and Film Maker, Assistant Professor of Public Economy, Lecturer European Politics, Psychotherapist Activist and Writer, Professor of History and City Councillor, Artist, Swedish Parliament Executive, English Theatre Director, Writer and Activist, Apollo-Gaia Project, plus various other obscure professions. Did any of them really think that the media would ever invite any one of them to debate global warming with expert sceptic scientists? The surprise is that not one of the specialist global warming scientists has appended his name to the letter.
George Lawson
And those are parasites (Deep State, media darlings and mass media insides – using the US terms) who are the ones controlling today’s thoughts and minds.
To any of those you listed, and to any hundred thousand others like them, challenge them to “Free the BBC/ABC/CBC!” from government money and government monpoly, and you will get 100% pushback, 100% rejection of any thought of “Free Speech” independent of (their) government control and funding.
“And those are parasites (Deep State, media darlings and mass media insides – using the US terms) who are the ones controlling today’s thoughts and minds.”
Our designated drovers, IOW.
I would love to be the dictator to grant the rich leftist their dream on climate change. The first thing I would do is take Cameron’s 900 million away, including his house, and set him up in a 1000 sq ft apartment and give him back his “fair share” of his wealth. After all, the carbon footprint of those mega mansions is significantly higher than a small apartment. I would also regulate the amount of air travel they are allowed to have. I would confiscate their expensive cars and put them all in economy grade cars.
Bottom line …. since they are the ones pushing for a change, I would make sure they are the first forced to change.
It is obvious why they duck the debate, when it was falsified many years ago. Since the 1970’s, if there was anything different we would all know about it by now covering almost 5 decades. The planets sensitivity was shown well before 5 decades had past. The only noticeable warming occurred since late 1990’s had resulted from fudging/adjusting the data by confirmation bias. Virtually all the warming shown from the 1970’s had resulted from the transfer of energy from the ocean to the atmosphere with El Nino events or the Pacific climate shift around 1977. Before this warming since the 1940’s CO2 levels had increased, but the global temperatures declined for decades after. The rising CO2 levels had been shown to have no notable influence on global temperatures for around 80 years. These 80 years are definitely long enough to determine any influence/sensitivity and the theory has FAILED.
Anybody want to debate in favour of flying pink elephants in existence?
A flying pink elephant has not been seen because it doesn’t exist.
I debated a prominent climate modeler years ago. He was the most arrogant jerk I ever met. He overtly insulted me, refused to shake my hand, did not respond to any point I made (even when I cited his own work), and just hand waved about the models being “physics” which is simply not true–sure they are based on physics but have so many parameterizations…anyway, the college students voted against him even though his was the official position.