Columnist Andrew Bolt writes:
Fraser Anning using the phrase “final solution” has outraged dozens of politicians from Labor and the Greens because of the link to the Holocaust.
Will Labor and the Greens now express similar outrage at the phrase “climate deniers”, given its deliberate link to Holocaust deniers?
Professor Clive Hamilton:
Instead of dishonouring the deaths of six million in the past, climate deniers risk the lives of hundreds of millions in the future. Holocaust deniers are not responsible for the Holocaust, but climate deniers, if they were to succeed, would share responsibility for the enormous suffering caused by global warming…
Fellow extremist Professor Robert Manne:
Scepticism is in general, as it should be, a positive word, denoting scientific or humanistic curiosity and in particular the presence of an open mind…
Read more at Herald Sun
They want a flame war, we’ll be happy to oblige.
Denying the Holocaust is a bad thing, however, ignoring the other holocausts in the Soviet Union and China is also a bad thing. These hardly ever get mentioned. Mao and Stalin made Hitler look like a piker when it comes to body count of those murdered. And their ideology was much closer to that of those pushing AGW than fascism is to conservatism, of which we conservatives are constantly accused. Actually Nazi ideology was a form of socialism, National Socialist German Worker’s party. Kind of like what China has morphed into. But then China and the Russians were our allies in WWII. We should have listened to Patton and MacArthur.
The whole world is denying one in progress right now–the Rohingya people’s genocide in Myanmar. Denial (as in, “we don’t SEE that!”) is employed whenever convenient. Just as the party of 58 “genders” is “denying” the actual, observed climate facts as we write this.
Not to mention that nature has provided us with only two body types.
JimG1
Conveniently forgotten fact!
Poland was invaded by Germany AND Russia at the start of WW2.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland
An absolutely undeniable truth is that bullies cannot take getting hit.
As such, Progressives/Warmists (pretty much interchangeable) cannot take their own medicine.
Just listen to the press caterwauling lately about being ‘picked on’.
Does the government of Iran have any plans for a “final solution?”
That’s why they want nukes.
Nuclear power plants are indeed the final solution. Solves the CO2 issue very well.
Iran has a “final solution” for their largest religious minority, a campaign which started in 1991, according to documents from their highest authority. They plan the complete destruction of the Baha’i community, members of which are not allowed to be employed in any government position nor receive a pension. They are not permitted to attend tertiary educational institutions and their marriages are not recognized. Some 4000 inflammatory hit pieces are published against them per year in government controlled media advocating hatred, violence and the destruction of property. Lately the government agents have been ripping up graveyards with bulldozers and fire-bombing businesses and homes.
The whole notion that any word or phrase that has any Nazi connotations MUST be banned or hounded down mercilessly is a GUARANTEE that Nazism WILL rear its ugly head again. If creeping fascist tendencies are not able to be exposed, then, with the sociopathic and control freak tendencies of Socialists, it MUST return. As has been the case throughout history, the brutality and immorality tends to get ever more vile.
All those pathetic politicians and mealy-mouthed media that are jumping on the bandwagon of condemnation must hang their heads in shame at what a pack of cowards they are.
Hopefully, there shall be a non-gutless Jew that emerges to address Parliament that will call it like it is. It seems that only a Jew can get away with any reference to the Holocaust. Alas, the Jews in Federal Parliament at the moment are the gutless wimp Jews-the sort that supported the rise of Hitler and the disastrous outcomes that sprang from this.
I would love to see the faces of the Greens , Labor and assorted other lefties drop when they find they are flapping their little wings of indignation and soiling their pants whilst having tantrums, only to find the comments not only valid, but from one of the “chosen people” entitled to make such comments. Even better if it creates a Streisand effect where people watch the “offending” maiden speech that reveals the Emperor is wearing no clothes.
The more accurate term is climate science denier. As in denying the now universally accepted fact that mans release of CO2 is warming the planet. No sane person could deny that and so that only leaves the insane to be insulted. Before you pile in on my comment, give me the name of one prominent person (in the field) who denies mans release of CO2 is a significant contributor to warming the planet? Spencer, Curry, Watts all accept CO2 is a contributing factor. So in my book they are not climate science deniers… they just don’t accept the IPCC’s view that significant trouble lies ahead… unless.
“Spencer, Curry, Watts all accept CO2 is a contributing factor. So in my book they are not climate science deniers… they just don’t accept the IPCC’s view that significant trouble lies ahead… unless [action is taken].
Correct: we skeptics don’t deny the basic science of AGW; we deny the iffy alarmism of high climate sensitivity and positive climate feedbacks. It is this distinction that alarmists try to conflate.
“we skeptics don’t deny the basic science of AGW”
The overwhelming majority here would debate that. On the nuttier end, GHGs don’t even exist, let along anthropogenic ones.
You mean you question the iffy alarmism of high climate sensitivity and positive climate feedbacks don’t you?
Otherwise you’re just splitting hairs.
As always, Ryan sees only what he is paid to see.
“paid to see”?
Someone ‘liked’ this? Nutters.
ME: “we skeptics don’t deny the basic science of AGW”
RyanS: “The overwhelming majority here would debate that.”
AGW is the non-catastrophic portion of global warming—it is the small direct effect of extra CO2 on temperature. Persons who accept this are known as lukewarmers. 90% of commenters here fall into that category. (There may even have been a poll on this matter a few years ago. If there wasn’t, there should be one now.) Persons who deny the direct effect of more CO2 call it the (mythical) sky dragon and this site’s guidelines prohibit the advocacy of their views.
RyanS: “You mean you question the iffy alarmism of high climate sensitivity and positive climate feedbacks don’t you?”
No, I disbelieve in them and so it’s accurate to say that I deny them.
RyanS: “Otherwise you’re just splitting hairs.”
Eh? Are you insinuating that CAGW (positive feedbacks) is as “basic” as AGW? If so, why is the high effect of feedbacks soft-pedaled or omitted in warmist advocacy aimed at the public? It’s iffyness is far from the solidity of CO2’s direct effect—far more than a hair’s difference.
RyanS writes
Nonsense. The overwhelming majority would not debate that. The nutters in the alarmist camp believe the earth is on course for thermal runaway and end up like Venus. Hansen was one of those and so the nutters in the AGW camp actually mattered.
Speaking of insane, Simon pops up on cue to attack arguments that nobody has made.
Very, very few people deny that CO2 can cause warming. The issue has always been how much.
Unless you are part of the lunatic fringe that believes that any change caused by man, no matter how miniscule is evil, you have to admit that the warming we have seen over the last 150 years has been completely beneficial, and there is no evidence that any warming we are likely to see in the next 150 years will be anything but beneficial.
Even the IPCC has given up the claim that there are significant troubles ahead, but the liars have to keep lying.
MarkW
“Speaking of insane, Simon pops up on cue to attack arguments that nobody has made.”
You really do need to learn to read, and then understand what all the squiggles mean. I didn’t attack anyone’s argument. I was making my own point.
Simon writes
They don’t accept the suggestion that CO2 is the significant factor because they are skeptical of the alarmist assumed feedbacks. As are most of us here at WUWT. There is no sound science for those feedbacks. The IPCC on the other hand explicitely attributes most of the recent observed warming to anthropogenic CO2.
There must be a new talking point just released. Simon, RyanS, and Philip Schaeffer have it. There will be the others soon to follow. Kristi and others need to read their emails to see what they are supposed to think and say. Anyone want to bet where it originated? I’ll take Phillip S on even odds.
Eh? Leave me out of your paranoid delusional fantasies thanks.
Agent P! I thought we agreed. Oops, mod can you delete this please.
And Agent Mark, try not to make your fake sceptic-concern comments too nutso, your double-agent cover could get blown.
Apparently there are some flaws in our training program. We aimed for libertarian, but ended up with a sovereign citizen, and even here that’s a bit much.
PS & RS,
Yeah … your surveillance needs to improve as well as your communication links. Your comments appeared 12 minutes apart but were over 6 hours after mine. You need to work on that “rapid response” timing.
There is a website [Climate Science Rapid Response Team (CSRRT)] devoted to providing a “rapid response”. Go back and read the playbook again.
One more thought. Are you sitting the same room holding hands?
“Instead of dishonouring the deaths of six million in the past, climate deniers risk the lives of hundreds of millions in the future. Holocaust deniers are not responsible for the Holocaust, but climate deniers, if they were to succeed, would share responsibility for the enormous suffering caused by global warming”
Call himself a professor? What an idiot! Firstly, he forgets the first time Holocaust was used to describe killings on a massive scale was the Armenian Holocaust, roughly 1915 – 1923, where the deaths are estimated to be 1.5 million. Secondly, how much actual warming would there have to be to start risking the lives of hundreds of millions people?
I suspect this professor obtained his qualifications, and clearly uninformed opinions, off the side of a Weetbix box.
6 million ? try 9 million. 3 million Russian POWs were also in associated camps. They weren’t gassed, just starved and worked to death. Also, how many Roma, political prisoners, homosexuals, ect.? On the eastern front many were killed in place and never were sent to the camps. Horrific amounts of death and destruction for the entire 1st half of the 20th century.
how having a point of view can put lives of people at risk? if you beleive in CO2 theory of climate change what kills people is using CO2 not thoughts… may be it has something to do with the fact that this guy will continue to use fossil fuel ?
A right wing nut says something stupid and thats another reason to hate the left.
Andrew Bolt: olympic level dog whistling.
Ah yes, the old, anyone to the right of a socialist is right wing nonsense.
But when lies are all you got, might as well make them big ones.
Double- agent Mark, dude you’re being way too obvious, tone it down.
The amusing thing is that Fraser Anning’s unintentional use of the verboten phrase was just that, unintentional. As for most of the sanctimonious hypocrites involved in the current media pile-on down under most of them wouldn’t even think twice about using the deliberately holocaust linked “denier” slur.
This nonsense was even picked up by our prime time Friday night TV Aussie rules football, being highlighted in the weekly match of the round Richmond vs. Essendon (my team) by the AFL (Australian Football League) with a symbolic pre-match, coin toss hugging by two Muslim players from the opposing teams.
The AFL is very much a political animal, into promoting PC Leftist causes. But the public outrage is growing at the misuse of our great game to promote the AFL’s pet political causes.
Yeah, it just happened to have been penned by Richard Howard, who was advisor to One Nation senator Malcom Roberts, who had this to say about him.
https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/factchecking-fraser-annings-controversial-final-solution-speech/news-story/297f24fda30912023191d1265ecd7d69
“In an interview with The Australian yesterday, Mr Roberts said his former staffer was “fascinated with Nazi Germany and authoritarian approaches and decisive rulers”.”
But I’m sure it was just a misunderstanding.
Being “in denial” or “a denier” was used before Holocaust denial came along in the 70s or so. It was a pop psychology term for denying that one was an alcoholic or had some other “issue” that was obvious to everyone else.
Fauxtrage is Bolt’s stock in trade.
Irony is lost on you.
Professor Clive Hamilton is a disgrace to humanity. And I’m ashamed that he is also an Australian.
Australia has had some of the greatest scientists. And we’ve had some idiots in authority like Clive Hamilton who usurp power for their own glory. Clive, you will go down in history as being very wrong about a good many things.
the screams over a simple two words…was/IS being used to deflect what else he said
which was a citizens of Aus vote on immigration
they did it for less than 1% pop wanting gay marriage
but immigration is a a far bigger problem we arent allowed to speak up or vote on.
Fascists are known for the “Big Lie,” and Man Made Climate Change is one of the biggest of big lies. Progressives using the labels of Fascism and other pejorative terms is simply nothing more than transference.
The Deplorable Faces of Fascism
https://co2islife.wordpress.com/2018/06/27/the-deplorable-faces-of-fascism/
What Real Fascism Looks Like; It’s Alive and Well in the 21st Century Progressive Left
https://co2islife.wordpress.com/2018/03/03/what-real-fascism-looks-like-alive-and-well-in-the-21st-century-progressive-left/
Warmist Billionaire Tom Steyer Compares Trump to Hitler
https://co2islife.wordpress.com/2018/05/13/warmist-billionaire-tom-steyer-compares-trump-to-hitler/
Things A Fascist Would Never Do
https://co2islife.wordpress.com/2018/04/05/things-a-fascist-would-never-do/
Okay, I agree with Professor Mann on this point. CAGW is a fraud. Skepticism is good. Particularly for scientists. Anyone remember the good Professor and the Yamal tree rings?
Professor Manne is an australian Professor of Politics. Professor Hamilton is an australian “Public intellectual”, who is basically an economist. A couple of windbags who pontificate on how society should be structured in the face of climate change. Professor Hamilton is an advocate of internet censorship in Australia, which pretty well tells one where he is coming from.
They don’t seem to have won any awards for good taste.