Claim: Failure to Control CO2 Emissions will Lead to Global Fascism

Simon Lewis
Professor Simon Lewis, Department of Geography
University College London

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

A climate scientist has shared his insight into the dystopian future which will occur unless we do as he says.

Don’t despair – climate change catastrophe can still be averted

Simon Lewis

The future looks fiery and dangerous, according to new reports. But political will and grassroots engagement can change this

As a research scientist in this field, I can give some nuance to the headlines. One common way of thinking about climate change is the lower the future carbon dioxide emissions, the less warming and the less havoc we will face as this century progresses. This is certainly true, but as the summer heatwave and the potential hothouse news remind us, the shifts in climate we will experience will not be smooth, gradual and linear changes. They may be fast, abrupt, and dangerous surprises may happen. However, an unstoppable globally enveloping cascade of catastrophe, while possible, is certainly not a probable outcome.

Yet, even without a hothouse we are on track to transform Earth this century. The world, after 30 years of warnings, has barely got to grips with reducing carbon dioxide emissions. They need to rapidly decline to zero, but after decades of increases, are, at best, flatlining, with investments in extracting new fossil fuels continuing, including last month’s scandalous announcement that fracking will be allowed in the UK. Temperatures have increased just 1C above preindustrial levels, and we are on course for another 2C or 3C on top of that. Could civilisation weather this level of warming?

It is then easy to see these intersecting crises dovetailing with calls from the new far-right populists for strong authoritarian leaders to solve these problems. Inward-looking nationalists could then move further away from the internationalism needed to ensure the continuation of stable global food supplies and to manage migration humanely. And without cooperative internationalism serious carbon dioxide mitigation will not happen, meaning the underling drivers of the problems will exacerbate, leading to a lock-in of a deteriorating, isolationist, fascist future.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/07/climate-change-catastrophe-political-will-grassroots-engagement

Who but a climate scientist could so eloquently establish the link between permitting fracking in the UK, and the global downfall of Democracy?

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Rhoda Klapp
August 8, 2018 2:07 am

We need to exert extensive and all-embracing controls on any and all aspects of life to avoid fascism.

Bsl
Reply to  Rhoda Klapp
August 8, 2018 3:52 am

I couldn’t have said it better myself.

Bryan A
Reply to  Bsl
August 8, 2018 10:00 am

Definitely, AGW WILL lead to Fascism as Fascism will be necessary to reign in the Skeptics and force carbon control regulations on the populace

Roger Knights
Reply to  Bryan A
August 8, 2018 6:37 pm

rein

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  Roger Knights
August 8, 2018 10:05 pm

rain

Ken
Reply to  Greg Cavanagh
August 9, 2018 5:15 am

“Rain” is a bad spell of weather.

Tom Gelsthorpe
Reply to  Bryan A
August 10, 2018 5:54 pm

We need a dictator to save us from the fascists!

cedarhill
Reply to  Rhoda Klapp
August 8, 2018 4:42 am

Facebook, Google, et al, have heard the call and have taken action.

MarkW
Reply to  cedarhill
August 8, 2018 11:18 am

Yesterday there was an article linked on Drudge, I gave the link yesterday, about a paper being circulated among Senate Democrats about how the government needs to take over the internet.

Ken
Reply to  MarkW
August 9, 2018 5:16 am

Why bother when Google is already on it?

Reply to  Rhoda Klapp
August 8, 2018 5:11 am

Well said Rhoda.

When Marxists want to sabotage a country, they increase energy costs unnecessarily, which cripples the economy. That is the left’s strategy, and it is working, except in the USA, China and a few other countries.

A key leftist strategy is to cripple the energy industry – examples are endless regulatory snarls and successful anti-pipeline movements – these have cost Canada $120 billion in lost revenues – a huge amount of money that should have been available for industrial re-investment, job creation, health, education, etc.

The leftists were the scourge of the 20th Century – Hitler, Stalin and Mao killed a total of about 200 million people. Then there are the many lesser leftists killers, who like Mao and Stalin almost always murdered their own citizens

Almost 200 countries that once had viable economies are on a downward spiral – Zimbabwe and Venezuela lead the way, but many others follow. That is the Marxist agenda, and it is working.

Those who fail to learn from history are condemned to repeat it.
_____________________

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/07/03/can-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-save-the-world-from-climate-change/#comment-2395902

Marxism made simple:

The Groucho Marxists are the leaders – they want power for its own sake at any cost, and typically are sociopaths or psychopaths. The great killers of recent history, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot. etc. were of this odious ilk – first they get power, then they implement their crazy schemes that do not work and too often kill everyone who opposes them.

The Harpo Marxists are the followers – the “sheeple” – these are people of less-than-average intelligence who are easily duped and follow the Groucho’s until it is too late, their rights are lost and their society destroyed. They are attracted to simplistic concepts that “feel good” but rarely “do good”.

George Carlin said it best: “Think of how stupid the average person is; and then realize half of them are stupider than that!”

One can easily identify many members of these two groups in the global warming debate – and none of them are ”climate skeptics”.

Need more evidence? Read the quotations at http://www.green-agenda.com

Just a few examples:

“The goal now is a socialist, redistributionist society,
which is nature’s proper steward and society’s only hope.”
– David Brower,
founder of Friends of the Earth
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“If we don’t overthrow capitalism, we don’t have a chance of
saving the world ecologically. I think it is possible to have
an ecologically sound society under socialism.
I don’t think it is possible under capitalism”
– Judi Bari,
principal organiser of Earth First!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the
industrialized civilizations collapse?
Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?”
– Maurice Strong,
founder of the UN Environment Programme
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“A massive campaign must be launched to de-develop the
United States. De-development means bringing our
economic system into line with the realities of
ecology and the world resource situation.”
– Paul Ehrlich,
Professor of Population Studies
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
August 8, 2018 6:01 am

De-development… raw sewage in the water ways.
De-development… Trenton, NJ. A slogan over the water way doesn’t make it a place to live. It’s a leech. It’s nearly a war zone as it is. Without the work of other people supporting it, ( also called welfare) it would be. Do you think that the gangs that control the city, Bloods, Crypts, XV3 St., Pagans ( just the ones I know about) give a flying fig about laws? Third world country status. As if any amount of money would change the mindset of those people. The public school sector spends more money per pupil than it costs to send them to an exclusive private school.
That’s what De-development means to me. I am a refugee. And everybody else that fled the city.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  rishrac
August 8, 2018 6:25 am

Pretty sure it’s Crips, not Crypts.

MarkW
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
August 8, 2018 6:24 pm

Though they are efficient at putting people into crypts.

Nigel Sherratt
Reply to  MarkW
August 9, 2018 6:15 am

The scene was rockin’, all were digging the sounds
Igor on chains, backed by his baying hounds
The coffin-bangers were about to arrive
With their vocal group, ‘The Crypt-Kicker Five’

Patrick
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
August 8, 2018 2:56 pm

I believe that you missed the critical layer in between your two sets of Marxists. They are the stupid and angry, the bitter thugs who don’t care about how evil they are, only that they are miserable, and are compelled to inflict that misery on somebody else.

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
August 8, 2018 7:49 pm

The problem with ‘redistribution’ is that you run out of other people’s distributables before you run out of people to whom you can distribute. I guess some people will just have to ‘do without’.

Tim
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
August 9, 2018 7:43 am

Green means Obey!

Phoenix44
Reply to  Rhoda Klapp
August 8, 2018 5:52 am

Apparently it’s a choice between national fascism or international fascism.

James Schrumpf
Reply to  Phoenix44
August 8, 2018 6:36 am

So, Nazis or Soviet-style Communism?

Joel Snider
Reply to  James Schrumpf
August 8, 2018 12:16 pm

There are overtones of both, although, personally, it looks to me more like the Nazi-style, but metastasizing quickly into a new, virulent, mutated version.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Rhoda Klapp
August 8, 2018 8:11 am

Yeah – it’s like they can’t even hear themselves.

Stuart
Reply to  Rhoda Klapp
August 9, 2018 1:28 am

This is not ‘home grown’ and has been subverting the West for a great many years.
In 1984 a soviet defector Yuri Bezmenov’s was interviewed.
A suitable year for the chiiling comments regarding what the KGB were actually doing in the West ( Espionage was NOT their main ‘business’)
https :// www. youtube. com/ watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA (remove spaces)

This should be compulsory and regular viewing in High School, University and Government ads – but most of them are of course very aware and complicit.

Tim
Reply to  Rhoda Klapp
August 9, 2018 7:36 am

Not only that, but we need to abolish voting rights in order to safe-guard the continuation of Democracy.

Barry Sheridan
August 8, 2018 2:07 am

How extraordinary, a trace gas whose influence is both limited and logarithmic can bring about so much change! Another British idiot, I regret to say we have far too many here.

Ian Magness
Reply to  Barry Sheridan
August 8, 2018 2:49 am

Just how is that last comment helpful Barry? Yes, why not tar an entire nation of 60 million people with the same derogatory brush?
The problem in the UK – and I suspect a great many other countries in the world – is that the debate has hardly even started in public. Such is the extreme bias of the great majority of our media and our politicians, that the average, even highly educated, person in the street doesn’t even have the first inkling that there is a serious issue with believing “hothouse earth” and similar memes. They have thus never given it real thought, leave alone researched it. That doesn’t make them idiots. The debate will happen in time but if the starting point is “you are an idiot if you don’t believe me”, it’ll be dead in the water before it gets going.

Frank
Reply to  Ian Magness
August 8, 2018 3:07 am

If you look up the etymology of “idiot” you will find Barry is spot on

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot

The sheeple are not stupid for not understanding the problems with the failed hypothesis of CAGW, they are just uneducated.

Reply to  Frank
August 9, 2018 3:19 am

No. They are educated. The problem is that the more educated one is, the better one can cherry pick to support one’s bias. If ‘sheeple‘ really were uneducated they wouldn’t give a toss of ‘global warming‘.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Ian Magness
August 8, 2018 4:08 am

theyve had since at least 2009 when it got huge media spin
if they havent bothered to get informed then they ARE idiots

Steve O
Reply to  Ian Magness
August 8, 2018 4:18 am

The True Believers don’t come to WUWT to have their views challenged. And although the label “idiot” is quite mild compared to the common accusations made against skeptics, if you want to change someone’s views you should not insult them.

That said, we can all take comfort in the fact no more convincing on either side is necessary. We have already had our public debate, and society has decided to NOT decarbonize the global economy, because based on what we know the expected benefits are not worth expected costs.

Al Montgomery
Reply to  Steve O
August 8, 2018 7:02 am

Well said Steve! Society has thought about it and voted against the leftist totalitarianism. Just look around, people have spoken loud and clear- we’re not interested in your suffering government controls all world.

Chris
Reply to  Steve O
August 9, 2018 12:40 am

Specifically which countries have decided not to decarbonize?

MarkW
Reply to  Chris
August 9, 2018 8:06 am

China, India, the US. For a start.

Barry Sheridan
Reply to  Ian Magness
August 8, 2018 5:02 am

Ian, since reading and exploring the first IPCC report I have gone onto to read a bewildering amount from all sorts of sources regarding mankind’s impact on the climate. What stands out to me over two and half decades of general interest is that the views both for and against cannot find an established consensus. Skeptical minds looking for evidence that stands up tend now to be faced with condemnation linking with past crimes (the holocaust) that bare no relation or relevance to questions of scientific doubt. So here, quite what the conclusion of a fascist future has to do with a debate about the global climate and its future trends I am not sure, but it is self evident the intention is to override any questioning of the points the academic is making. None of this insults sixty million Britons, it means what I said it does, that Britain has a surfeit of individuals who bluster and insult as a means of trying to win the argument. It is idiotic as a technique, he can say what he wants to say without resorting to this sort of ridiculous conclusion.

Nik
Reply to  Barry Sheridan
August 8, 2018 5:50 am

And the bluster and the insults to win arguments are not limited to Britons, or to those who have degrees.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Nik
August 8, 2018 6:28 am

Or to alarmists.

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Barry Sheridan
August 9, 2018 12:50 am

The trouble with “academics” is that they are just that, they do not live in the greater outer world of life. They are surrounded by like minded people simply to reinforce their own views & beliefs! I know of a former “polytechnic” college that under “New Labour morphed into a new “university” for political reasons, in which its architectual department only socialised with like minded people, presumably in fear of contamination by people with different views! Academics do not live in the real world!

beng135
Reply to  Ian Magness
August 8, 2018 6:23 am

The debate will happen in time

Wishful thinking — even naive. Time for that is way past.

Greg
Reply to  Ian Magness
August 8, 2018 8:08 am

Yes, why not tar an entire nation of 60 million people with the same derogatory brush?

Well, except that he did not . He did not speak of the entire nation, he just said “we have far too many here.”

Pretending someone said something they did not in order to tear down the argument they did not make is call a straw man attack.

Catcracking
Reply to  Greg
August 8, 2018 9:20 pm

Claims that tarring everyone rather than the select few intended by the writer is a tactic of the left as evidenced by the exaggerated claims against Trump by the media every day.

andy
Reply to  Greg
August 10, 2018 10:16 am

Greg,

And if someone had written “we have too may American idiots here,” you think there would not have been comments in response, “pretending” or otherwise?

Think about it.

MarkW
Reply to  Ian Magness
August 8, 2018 11:20 am

Saying that there are a lot of British idiots is not the same thing as saying all Brits are idiots.

Perhaps English isn’t your first language?

Gary Ashe
Reply to  Ian Magness
August 8, 2018 3:24 pm

Just how is that last comment helpful Barry? Yes, why not tar an entire nation of 60 million people with the same derogatory brush?
The problem in the UK – …..= people like you chuckles.

Your part of the problem without even knowing it.
Greavence mongering.

I dont need YOU taking offence on my behalf thanks,…….

MarkW
Reply to  Gary Ashe
August 8, 2018 3:42 pm

Another poster who either can’t, or doesn’t want to, read basic English.

2hotel9
Reply to  Ian Magness
August 8, 2018 3:38 pm

“The debate will happen in time but if the starting point is “you are an idiot if you don’t believe me”, it’ll be dead in the water before it gets going.” And this is bad, how? Calling idiots idiots is how you actually inform “the people”. Pretending idiots are intelligent has been the problem all along. Let me ‘splain it to you, Lucy! Climate changes, constantly, humans are not causing it and can not stop it. Only idiots “feel” otherwise.

KAT
Reply to  Barry Sheridan
August 8, 2018 3:00 am

“Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and higher education positively fortifies it.” Stephen Vizinczey

rocketscientist
Reply to  Barry Sheridan
August 8, 2018 7:52 am

Meh, the world is rife with them, but at least yours seems a more literate.

dodgy geezer
August 8, 2018 2:25 am

…Claim: Failure to Control CO2 Emissions will Lead to Global Fascism…

Um. The problem is that you can only control CO2 Emissions through Global Fascism as well.

Looks like, either way, we’re in for a bout of Global Fascism. Still, they had great uniforms….

Reply to  dodgy geezer
August 8, 2018 4:29 am

I think it was the shiny boots that Feric Jaggar found so appealing….

PeterW.
Reply to  dodgy geezer
August 8, 2018 5:37 am

Translation – “Do as we tell you or we will force you to do as we tell you.”

Craig
Reply to  PeterW.
August 8, 2018 5:48 am

That implies power. Their message is a lot more desperate then that. If they had the power to force change, they would have used it a long time ago. Since they don’t, they’ve come up with stories like this trying to frighten their way into compliance and ultimately the power to force it.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Craig
August 9, 2018 1:09 pm

‘If they had the power to force change, they would have used it a long time ago.’

But they were so close – the last election gave us a stay of execution – we’d best not waste it.

James Schrumpf
Reply to  dodgy geezer
August 8, 2018 6:38 am

Gotta stay away from the “skull” motif, though. Very depressing.

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  James Schrumpf
August 8, 2018 10:14 pm

Perhaps the new logo will be rainbows, or unicorns, no; more likely a hemp leaf.

J Mac
Reply to  dodgy geezer
August 8, 2018 9:58 am

Fascism is the ‘enforcement’ arm of Socialism.
Frack Socialism!

Shanghai Dan
Reply to  dodgy geezer
August 9, 2018 8:01 am

Yes, but it is the right type of fascism, when led by the left?

Flight Level
August 8, 2018 2:27 am

Would not require wages to one-way fly green expats to North Korea. Their dreamland that is. Almost no cars, permanent energy poverty, self-defined highly democratic supreme leader.
Once on location they will quit jetting to climate conferences and international green junkets. Sizeable fuel savings ahead.

NorwegianSceptic
Reply to  Flight Level
August 8, 2018 2:39 am

Fundraising? I’ll chip in on it!

Snowleopard
Reply to  Flight Level
August 8, 2018 6:52 am

Unfortunately you will get few volunteers. They say that is what they want, But they want that poverty for others, while they carry on jetting about the world to climate conferences at first class resort destinations.

David L. Hagen
Reply to  Flight Level
August 8, 2018 10:58 am
Schitzree
August 8, 2018 2:30 am

War is peace, freedom is slavery, and ignorance is strength.

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  Schitzree
August 8, 2018 10:15 pm

If I didn’t live the experience, I would never believe reading it in a book.

NorwegianSceptic
August 8, 2018 2:38 am

Fascism? Takes one to know one.

Joel Snider
Reply to  NorwegianSceptic
August 8, 2018 10:29 am

Oh, I think the victims of fascism recognize it too. Apparently, it’s the perpetrators that don’t seem to see it in themselves.

AWG
Reply to  Joel Snider
August 8, 2018 6:35 pm

Hypocrisy, to them is not a vice, its a tool.

ResourceGuy
August 8, 2018 2:38 am

England might have had great science in the past but it is quickly being erased by CO2 fanatics. In prior centuries Muslim fundamentalism ended Arab science inquiry. Such lessons are not learned.

honest liberty
Reply to  ResourceGuy
August 8, 2018 1:42 pm

interesting how the influx of those people en masse coincides with the CO2 fanatics, both parties intent on shutting down free speech. Both parties, intolerant of other views. Both parties want the opposition to die. Interesting.

Methinks some folks are working in concert. I know Professor Noel Ignatiev certainly approves: check out his quote from Harvard Magazine, September-October 2002 issue.
I am at work and can’t post it here.

Nigel Sherratt
Reply to  ResourceGuy
August 9, 2018 6:35 am

Nobel Prizes
US 371 UK 129
21st century
US 72 UK 16 (October 2016)
So, yes, slipping behind a bit but still in 2nd place which is not too bad based on 1/5th population.

Mark Hansford
August 8, 2018 2:40 am

He is an environmental ecologist and he is one of a group of people using the the title Global Change science to describe himself so that he can call himself a research scientist in this field. I call BS

MENoll
Reply to  Mark Hansford
August 8, 2018 4:01 am

Especially galling is he all but claims any flatlining of CO2, present or future, is because of the work put in by climate scientists.

ironicman
August 8, 2018 2:45 am

Global cooling has just begun and ‘….the shifts in climate we will experience will not be smooth, gradual and linear changes. They may be fast, abrupt, and dangerous surprises may happen.’

Flight Level
Reply to  ironicman
August 8, 2018 4:38 am

Old chartroom saying: -Climate doesn’t kill, weather does.

Putative scientists face climate press conferences daily, we face the weather hourly.

The summer occurence of icing conditions at transition ltitude increases. Had quite some in July and even last Sunday.

Beats me how this can qualify for warming.

August 8, 2018 3:01 am

All the nations should really work to reduce the Carbon Dioxide content in the atmosphere. The drawbacks of the increased level of CO2 have become visible few years ago. Now the situation got worsened. Several problems like rise in temperature, melting of polar icecaps etc. are some of the consequences of this increased CO2 content. Now it is the time to work together to overcome this problem.

NorwegianSceptic
Reply to  williamcgriffin
August 8, 2018 3:32 am

You forgot the /sarc.

ThomasJK
Reply to  NorwegianSceptic
August 8, 2018 5:20 am

I don’t think he intended to be sarcastic — sounds like maybe a true believer has spoken his version of his beliefs.

NorwegianSceptic
Reply to  ThomasJK
August 8, 2018 5:31 am

Let’s hope he’ll stay on WUWT for some time and maybe learn to think a bit for himself 🙂

MarkW
Reply to  NorwegianSceptic
August 8, 2018 11:25 am

In my experience, most of these type of posters comes here through a link to a particular article.
Read the headline, drop down to the comments section to inform us what big idiots we are.
Then return to their safe rooms to tell their mates how they schooled a group of unbelievers.
Oh yea, they never return. Too much risk of learning something.

Slacko
Reply to  MarkW
August 8, 2018 9:25 pm

No. It’s Griff, good grief. It’s Griff.

Reply to  MarkW
August 8, 2018 10:47 pm

I am extremely sorry for the post. It was my mistake to make this post without being backed by substantial evidences. I thank everyone for correcting me. But it could have done in a polite manner. From your post I felt all of you were eagerly waiting to see a person to make some mistake, so that you can collectively attack them with your merciless comments. Once again I apologize for my previous post. Please point out the mistakes of a person in a polite way if your intentions are true.

Alan the Brit
Reply to  williamcgriffin
August 9, 2018 1:02 am

Still awaiting a logical, rational explanation of how a trace gas amounting to 4/10,000ths part of the atmosphere, of which a mere 4% or 4/100ths, is attributed to Human activity, can affect the global temperature! Qv, UNIPCC 4th Assessment Report, 2007!

Chris
Reply to  NorwegianSceptic
August 9, 2018 12:50 am

“Let’s hope he’ll stay on WUWT for some time and maybe learn to think a bit for himself 🙂”

Where is there evidence of “thinking for himself” here on WUWT? I certainly don’t see it. If a paywalled paper that supports an AGW conclusion is posted, it is immediately criticized, even though few commenters have paid for it and read it. Conversely, if a paywalled paper is posted that gives skeptics ammunition (for example, that a certain heat wave was not caused by AGW), it is cheered immediately. That’s not independent thinking, that’s group think – the exact same kind of thinking that is criticized here on WUWT.

MarkW
Reply to  Chris
August 9, 2018 8:09 am

Once again, thinking for oneself is defined as “agrees with me”.

You don’t have to read an entire paper to spot problems with it.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Chris
August 9, 2018 1:10 pm

And another projecting progressive.

Craig
Reply to  williamcgriffin
August 8, 2018 5:59 am

I’m curious, what are the specific “drawbacks” you can tie directly to increased atmospheric CO2 levels? What is your evidence of the causality?

James Schrumpf
Reply to  williamcgriffin
August 8, 2018 6:45 am

It wasn’t a problem when the Ice Age-size ice caps melted enough to let where Chicago is now out from under a mile of ice. Now, suddenly a little more melting is a Big Problem.

The problem is, it isn’t CO2 causing the warming; we haven’t come close to doubling the CO2 from first measurements, and that would only give about 1.5C rise. None of the so-called positive feedback systems have been observed anywhere. There are obviously negative systems in place, however, as the Earth has never experienced runaway heating, even with CO2 above 2000ppm — 5 times greater than today’s levels.

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  James Schrumpf
August 9, 2018 4:53 am

A physicist recently pointed out to me that when it comes o CO2 and the global temperature, lack of correlation proves lack lacking of causation.

Ken Irwin
Reply to  williamcgriffin
August 8, 2018 7:41 am

The Antarctic ice is -55°C and the Greenland icecap -30°C (averages) even by alarmist temperature projections, how are they going to melt ?
Between them 99% of the world’s ice.
The North pole is a floating frozen agglomeration of snowfall which frequently has large roving holes in it and disappears completely from time to time.
Melting floating ice displaces the same mass of water it displaces – and apart from the small change in mass from fresh to salt water densities and an increase due to warming expansion (very little difference)
What problem ?
A 100mm sea level increase (from melting polar ice) requires the rotation of the Earth to slow by 3 milliseconds (conservation of angular momentum), its slowing naturally at 3 microseconds per annum.
You can “model” the bejesus out of the data but the physics will not yield on these issues.
Take a science course.

J Mac
Reply to  Ken Irwin
August 8, 2018 9:48 am

Well said, Ken!

Chris
Reply to  Ken Irwin
August 9, 2018 12:54 am

“Take a science course.”

Can you follow your own advice? The melting predicted for Antartica is occurring primarily through warm(er) seawater melting ice that extends out into the ocean. That ice, in many cases, acts as “plug”, holding back land based ice. Once the plug melts, the land ice then slides into the ocean, melting as well.

Ken Irwin
Reply to  Chris
August 9, 2018 1:16 am

Removing the “plugs” is not going to allow the ice caps to race into the sea – unless you “model” the outcome you are looking for.
Oceans are warmed by the Sun and solar variance – CO2 cannot warm the oceans – even the IPCC estimate of 0.02°C is excessive. (The IR backscatter can only penetrate 0.2 micrometer).
Virtually all the energy entering the Earth’s energy balance does so via the oceans – from the above it follows that CO2 is not the cause of Global Warming or its political protege Climate Change.
As Prof. Willie Soon says “It’s the Sun stupid !”

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Chris
August 9, 2018 2:36 am

Tell me, please, is this Antarctica continent place the same place that’s littered with active volcanoes?

Joel Snider
Reply to  Alan the Brit
August 9, 2018 1:58 pm

That’s one of those inconvenient truths.

MarkW
Reply to  williamcgriffin
August 8, 2018 11:24 am

What melting polar ice caps?

It’s been warmer than the past few decades for about 95% of the last 10,000 years.

RyanS
Reply to  MarkW
August 9, 2018 1:01 am

But colder for 95% of the last million years.

MarkW
Reply to  RyanS
August 9, 2018 8:12 am

Even if for once, you managed to say something that was correct. So what? Do you prefer ice ages?

Roger Knights
Reply to  williamcgriffin
August 8, 2018 6:50 pm

“Now it is the time to work together …”

Tell it to Xi, Putin, etc.

Phillip Bratby
August 8, 2018 3:05 am

Well it is in the Grauniad.

Timo V
August 8, 2018 3:13 am

Success to Control CO2 Emissions will Lead to Global Socialism.

MattS
August 8, 2018 3:28 am

Good, this exposes the true agenda behind CAGW: Global socialistic governance.

Tim
Reply to  MattS
August 8, 2018 8:04 am

“Internationalism needed to ensure the continuation of stable global food supplies and to manage migration humanely.”

The agenda is now on full display. An unelected bureaucracy from afar will treat all world citizens “humanely”. Nice. But how does this correlate with declared population culling?

drednicolson
Reply to  Tim
August 8, 2018 1:09 pm

They prefer the term “humanely euthanized”. 😐

Komrade Kuma
August 8, 2018 3:42 am

But… ‘Climate Science’ IS global fascism…!!!

Hokey Schtick
August 8, 2018 4:00 am

The scientists have lost their collective minds. They have turned into sooth-sayers and tea-leaf readers. This is just speculative nonsense. Warm is good, cold is bad. CO2 is plant food. Science, what a crock.

ThomasJK
Reply to  Hokey Schtick
August 8, 2018 5:28 am

Perhaps the real issue is that a lot of people who aren’t are claiming to be and are being called scientists. Do you remember from when you were in school how many of your classmates who were taking various science courses were simply lacking the aptitude for competence in understanding various hard natural sciences — Yet by rote memorization they managed to “fake it” well enough that they were able to escape with a passing grade?
I think it is likely that many of them are still fooling themselves and others into believing that they actually are scientists now all grown up.

Snowleopard
Reply to  ThomasJK
August 8, 2018 7:34 am

Realistic tests, (those that require experimental work, rather than picking the approved answer from proffered choices), would probably fail more than half of such “science students”. But such a result would be unacceptable to those running the education scam. Fixing the problem by teaching critical thinking to the young as part of basic education would be unacceptable even to most of the instructors, who mostly dislike challenges to the teaching program.

In most cases students are actually taught (when that really happens) within a framework that accepts and defends the so called consensus views and avoids thought that would cast doubt on them.

James Schrumpf
Reply to  Hokey Schtick
August 8, 2018 6:47 am

Cold is bad, warmth is good. Jack London never wrote a story called “To Find A Cool Spot.”

MarkW
Reply to  James Schrumpf
August 8, 2018 11:28 am

Though there is something to be said about finding a cold one.

drednicolson
Reply to  James Schrumpf
August 8, 2018 1:12 pm

Sounds like a 7-Up commercial.

August 8, 2018 4:02 am

It looks to me as if Global Fascism or Global Socialism leads to widespread dissemination of a belief and enforcement of belief in Global Warming and Social Control of CO2 emissions.

ozspeaksup
August 8, 2018 4:05 am

funny
i see the warmists as fascists
they want one world order, pref from the EUrotard centres

Steve O
August 8, 2018 4:11 am

So… is the author saying that fighting climate change requires us to give up democracy, or that if we don’t fight the climate that we’ll lose our democracy?

H.R.
Reply to  Steve O
August 8, 2018 4:23 am

Yes.

Carbon Bigfoot
Reply to  Steve O
August 8, 2018 3:25 pm

No we will lose our REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC.

MarkW
Reply to  Carbon Bigfoot
August 8, 2018 3:44 pm

We won’t lose it. However we can be persuaded to give it away in exchange for a welfare check.

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  MarkW
August 8, 2018 10:21 pm

I think seven magic beans are looking pretty good at this point.

Bsl
August 8, 2018 4:14 am

It is interesting that it is now claimed that the hypothetical CO2-induced global warming will result in abrupt changes. None of the climate models predict this type of instability.

August 8, 2018 4:19 am

Faux attempts to control CO2 emissions are just one of the tools of global fascism.

Jim
August 8, 2018 4:19 am

Warmunists keep ramping up the AGW hype. They make it seem like humans should have never, ever, modernized to make ourselves a better life.

HotScot
August 8, 2018 4:19 am

I applaud the concept that politics is an education free environment, anyone can become the Prime Minister of the UK or the POTUS irrespective of their educational achievements. I therefore find it appalling that a scientific education is used as leverage to justify a knowledge of the planet’s political future.

We are all allowed a political opinion including Simon Lewis and in my opinion Fascism is politics derived from the left. Mussolini, the mobiliser of the concept, was brought up by highly politicised left wing parents and was a prominent member of Italy’s left wing politics. He was kicked out and went on to develop fascism using brute force to intimidate voters and opposing party members.

He was admired by Adolf Hitler, the head of the National Socialist Workers Party who mimicked Mussolini’s blackshirts with his version, the brownshirts and, additionally mobilised the Hitler Youth to similarly intimidate voters and opposing party members.

To suggest Trump is an authoritarian leader (which in my opinion he’s doing) wholly demonstrates the man’s profound ignorance and indoctrination with left wing propaganda. Trump is the very one who is creating jobs to ensure people stand on their own two feet, are granted their fundamental freedom to work and contribute willing to America’s prosperity by paying taxes.

It’s the mobilisation of the modern day blackshirts; a left wing media, scientific community, and an education environment steeped in left wing PC values. This all supported by wealthy elites like Maurice Strong and Christina Figuers who have announced their desire to use climate change as a vehicle to destroy industrialisation and impose a single world government. These are the real threats presented to the free world.

commieBob
Reply to  HotScot
August 8, 2018 5:00 am

Jordan Peterson points out that totalitarianism is likely to spring from the left. Peterson also points out that somehow the Communists get a free pass even though they killed millions.

Stephen Hicks of Rockford College ascribes the violence characteristic of twentieth-century socialist rule to these collectivist regimes’ abandonment of protections of civil rights and rejection of the values of civil society. Hicks writes that whereas “in practice every liberal capitalist country has a solid record for being humane, for by and large respecting rights and freedoms, and for making it possible for people to put together fruitful and meaningful lives”, in socialism “practice has time and again proved itself more brutal than the worst dictatorships prior to the twentieth century. Each socialist regime has collapsed into dictatorship and begun killing people on a huge scale.

The arrogant elitists like Strong (now deceased) and Figuers aren’t just a danger to our freedom but to our very lives.

ThomasJK
Reply to  commieBob
August 8, 2018 5:37 am

Another important point: Institutionalized slavery is an essential part of a functioning institutionalized socialist nation.

bonbon
Reply to  commieBob
August 8, 2018 8:07 am

Strong’s Club of the Isles and the 1001 Club carry on the very same. This is neither “left” nor “right”, simply Royal – an oligarchical swamp. The entire “left hand knows what the right hand does” hoax shows up with the CAP (liberal) and AEI (right) joing hands right now to “Defend Democracy”.

KAT
Reply to  HotScot
August 8, 2018 5:19 am

….education environment steeped in left wing PC values.

“Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.” — George Orwell

bonbon
Reply to  HotScot
August 8, 2018 8:01 am

Mussolini was a communitarian, picked up from ther British Fabians. Just look at U.K think tanks like ResPublica and Demos – communitarianism is still lurking around.

Johnny Cuyana
Reply to  HotScot
August 8, 2018 8:13 am

HotScot, correct you are: Fascism is INDEED derived from the Left; where it is simply a softer variant along the spectrum of “centralized command and control” govt types; where, in each such variant, the primary characterization is that the “needs” of the State are prioritized while those of the individual are de-prioritized. [Read: “centralized command and control” govt = collectivism, group-think, statism, etc … at the oppression of the individual.]

Further, and in order to add a bit of clarity, permit me to submit these basic but critical distinctions of the three primary “centralized command and control” govt types:

[1] Fascism is State CONTROL of the means of production; where often it is called “State-run capitalism”. Think 0-bamaCare, where, by employing mountains of rules and regs, the State did not own the health care system, but, of course, it did — or wanted to — control it.
[2] Socialism is State OWNERSHIP of the means of production; where the State owns all of the businesses — big and small — where typically such control extends to all educational institutions and media.
[3] Communism, the most extreme variant, is where the State OWNS EVERYTHING; not only the means of production, the schools, and the media but also utilities, railroads and other transport, all property and even the air and water.

So, technically speaking — can there be much doubt? — many [most?] of these Western “alarmist” are and support Fascists — e.g., they advocate for having unelected bureaucrats of the EPA create mountains of rules and regs in order to control industry and people — while they are associated decidedly with leftist political parties.

However, if anything, because they are masters of propaganda, none of them want to be known as Fascists, because, here in the West, no one votes for “Nazi” fascists. OTOH, many people are duped into voting for “warm and cuddly” Socialists.

In the meantime, an almost universal characteristic of the “centralized command and control” state is that, progressively, primarily because in such cases individual rights are degraded, or, in the extreme, eliminated, the citizenry — perhaps, more properly characterized as “subjects” — become less enamored by such govt; while, simultaneously, because of this discontent, those in-charge, find themselves compelled to find someone to blame, i.e., a bogeyman, because these self-serving “leaders” will NEVER-EVER blame themselves for this general unhappiness. [This is all part and parcel of the leftist BIG LIE!]

The upshot of the above is that such “leaders” — Haha, you know: as the last resort of the scoundrel — falsely and deceptively appeal to the “patriotism” of the populous — oh, yes, “as your leaders, we must fight this bogeyman, so, therefore, we must take these strict measures … all for the salvation of the Fatherland, for the Motherland, or, etc — and this is from where there develops the “need” of the State to recruit some variant of “brown-shirts”; where such thugs are employed — directly or enticed indirectly — to cajole and coerce the stragglers, i.e., the non-believers, typically those who resist and advocate for individual liberty and freedom, to toe the party line.

[Note: what irony … with our thuggish Antifa, themselves being the brown-shirt field operatives of our hometown Fascist movement [read: anti-liberty globalist Democrats], are themselves, Fascists. Similarly, the author of the above article, advocating for the “prevention” of future Fascists powers — Hello, we are beyond the prevention stage … as the Fascists, for decades, have already been here — in reality, is simultaneously advocating for a Fascistic solution. Such reminds me of the age-old joke: the ragged long-bearded “prophet” schlepping around the town square with his placard reading “Help Stamp-out Stamp-out drives”.]

HotScot, this is the MO of those who you referenced — Mussolini and Hitler — and many others … to where today, in many political venues around our globe — western cultures-nations notwithstanding — “centralized command and control” ideologies and methods are employed.

Human psychology has not much changed since the beginning of recorded human history.

So, IMO, you have identified correctly, our “western” version of the proponents of the above — the real anti-liberty pro-globalist scoundrels —the advocates for “centralized command and control” states; where here in the USA, such is represented by the Leftist-globalist Democrats and the RINOs; where they work tacitly with the MSM — really, alone, largely a despicable propaganda group — and the likes of the falsely-named Antifa and others such as “Occupy Wall Street” and etc.

HotScot, your closing paragraph I find worth repeating: “It’s the mobilisation of the modern day blackshirts; a left-wing media, the scientific community, and an education environment steeped in left-wing PC values. This all supported by wealthy elites like Maurice Strong and Christina Figuers who have announced their desire to use climate change as a vehicle to destroy industrialisation and impose a single world government. These are the real threats presented to the free world.”

The “real threats”? Yes, indeed!

HotScot
Reply to  Johnny Cuyana
August 8, 2018 11:32 am

Johnny Cuyana

Thank you. My opinions are no more than a layman’s because that’s what I am.

It’s easy to get sucked into the realm of the left. Promises of equality, fairness, community, health care, global peace etc. etc. and to be honest, without even questioning what the cost is and I was led down that path for many years. I don’t think I ever actually voted for the labour party in the UK but only because my old man would be turning in his grave. But to be fair, I was never interested in politics, nothing but con men as far as I was concerned.

It wasn’t until I pitched up on WUWT to learn about climate change that I began to recognise the underbelly of the left. Not rapidly, or as a revelation, just bit by bit I began to piece together little fragments of the puzzle. Nor is that to suggest I was unduly influenced, I simply began to recognise events and qualities I had dismissed at the time, but began to understand their significance from an entirely unlikely source.

And I’m acutely aware that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing so I try to stick to the stuff I have learned as a matter of fact or at least well researched conclusion. Ultimately, all I have are questions. My favourite being, where is the credible empirical evidence which demonstrates CO2 causes global warming? Nor did I figure that question out myself, it came from Patrick Moore. I just tried to find what he asked for and came up with one single paper which seemed reasonably criticised by David Middleton here https://debunkhouse.wordpress.com/2017/11/06/from-the-no-schist-sherlock-department-lbnl-confirms-so-called-greenhouse-effect/#comments

But my question was, if the science is so settled, why isn’t there dozens, or hundreds of convincing studies from the last 40 years demonstrating a phenomenon that could change the direction of human development? That’s when I began to question the alternative reasoning behind the climate change agenda. Lo and behold, Christina Figueres was the first candidate for political influence who popped up. Many more of course, but she just stimulated my natural cynicism.

My old man was in Italy around the end of WW2. He had a photograph album with grainy B&W shots of Mussolini and his mistress hanging upside down from scaffolding. Dad pointed out that she was afforded the dignity of having her skirt tucked between her legs. We never talked politics but I now understand why he would never vote for a socialist government. My fear is that the lessons from the two global conflicts of the 20th Century are now largely forgotten by even my generation, never mind our youth.

My enduring concern is that the descent into liberal politics and it’s Kumbaya ideology that global peace is an achievable objective utterly ignores the concept that man is by nature a territorial, tribal animal. Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs is an admirable analysis of an individuals needs but, in my opinion, it neglects a vital motivating force, man’s tribal nature; an unconscious, primitive, collective endeavour reaching beyond the concept of personal self fulfilment into the concept of societal domination.

Conflict is a natural human condition. We are living in the most peaceful times man has ever enjoyed. The Middle East is a thorn in the side of the liberal concept of peace on earth, but when it’s eventually resolved will the planet breathe a collective sigh of relief and enjoy the bounties of collectivism? Not to my mind.

The conditions we endure now with questions over immigration, borderless trade, global governance, freedom of expression etc. are merely the cork in the bottle of another global conflict. I hope it never happens but with socialism as a goal, I’m worried it’s inevitable.

Patrick
August 8, 2018 4:28 am

How very strange. Marxists just do not understand how Fascism arises, or even the very nature of Fascism.

When you boil it all down, Fascism and Socialism are identical in every way but one: who is to blame. All other differences are derived from this.

As for the cause of Fascism, generally the loss of faith in the promises of Socialism leads the public to consider the alternatives, of which Fascism tends to be the most capable of contending against the Left’s inevitable repressive thuggery with thuggery of their own.

As all of this is heretical to Orthodox Socialism, I guess that they’ll never learn.

August 8, 2018 4:31 am

fourth rate scientist writing in a third rate newspaper…what is he doing in a first rate university?

Clapton alone knows…

Curious George
Reply to  Leo Smith
August 8, 2018 8:14 am

All fist rate universities are now safe spaces.

Ed Zuiderwijk
August 8, 2018 4:40 am

The cheek! Another fool trying to foist eco fascism onto us and claiming that he is an anti-fascist.

Susan
August 8, 2018 4:43 am

Carbon dioxide emissions need to decline to zero? Are we talking about the extinction of all animal and plant life here?

john
August 8, 2018 4:46 am

OMG….do you know what this means????

It’s even worse than we thought! 😉

August 8, 2018 4:58 am

https://www.geog.ucl.ac.uk//people/academic-staff/simon-lewis

Simon is a plant ecologist by training with a central focus on the tropics and global environmental change including climate change. His primary interest is in how humans are changing the Earth as a system. This is because one of the key issues facing humanity in the 21st century will be to address how a population of at least 8 billion can lead fulfilled lives without breaching environmental thresholds that may cause serious social, economic and environmental disruption, or even more severe outcomes.
__________________________________

Simon is a plant biologist, sort of, I think, hard to tell for sure.

His very-scary statements are unsupported by credible evidence.

IN FACT, THE FOLLOWING STATEMENTS ARE DEMONSTRABLY TRUE:
1. There is NO credible evidence of dangerous man-made global warming – it was significantly warmer in recorded human history
2. There is highly credible evidence that the sensitivity of climate to increasing atmospheric CO2 is low, less than ~1C/(2xCO2).
3. There is NO credible evidence of wilder weather over the past several decades.
4. There is nothing unusual happening in global climate over the past several decades.
5. The only measurable impact of increasing atmospheric CO2 is much higher plant and crop yields.
6. Atmospheric CO2 is not alarmingly high, it is alarmingly low for the continued survival of terrestrial life on Earth.
7. CO2 reduction and CO2 abatement schemes are destructive nonsense that increase energy costs and Excess Winter Deaths.
8. Most green energy schemes are not green, produce little useful (dispatchable) energy, and de-stabilize vital energy systems.
9. Twenty times more people die from cool and cold weather than from warm and hot weather.
10. Increasing atmospheric CO2 may cause some mild warming that should reduce Excess Winter Deaths, globally about 2 million/year.
11. Increasing atmospheric CO2 is strongly net beneficial for humanity and the environment.
12. Climate change is overwhelmingly natural and adaptation is the best approach to dealing with it, to date.

WHAT IF THE ENTIRE VERY-SCARY GLOBAL WARMING ALARMIST MANTRA IS FALSE?

BECAUSE IT IS!

ThomasJK
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
August 8, 2018 5:46 am

……And one additional little tidbit to ponder: So-called renewables must have financial subsidies which can be provided ONLY by economic endeavors which are powered by economically efficient fossil fuels — nuclear included.
Trying to provide subsidies using the magic fake money that the Federal Reserve conjures out of their fake magic hole in the air is just not sustainable.

Reply to  ThomasJK
August 8, 2018 6:00 am

I agree with you Thomas.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/02/22/why-are-utility-investors-and-renewable-energy-investors-are-like-oil-and-water/comment-page-1/#comment-2435107

We’ve known for decades that so-called “green energy” was not green and produced little useful energy. I first published this conclusion in 2002. It is slowly becoming obvious to all.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/19/president-no-longer-worried-about-co2-focus-on-alternative-energy-is-economic-says-obama-no-mention-of-climate/

Funny thing – the Globe and Mail was one of the biggest supporters of the Global Warming Scam and so-called “Green Energy”.

Note the huge subsidies:
13.5¢/kWh for worthless wind power and 64.2¢/kWh for worthless solar power.

Natural gas-fired FULLY DISPATCHABLE electric power can probably be generated today for about 4 cents per kWh.

Attaboy Doltan! Way to screw the Ontario manufacturing business!
______________________

Ontario’s Green Dream Was Just a Fantasy

Across the countryside outside Toronto, wind turbines are spreading like the plague. They are being built over the objections of rural residents whose rights are being ignored by the Province of Ontario. They’re chewing up birds and billions of taxpayer dollars in the name of a green dream that’s nothing but a fantasy. In an effort to placate the voters, Premier Dalton McGuinty promises to trim the subsidies for solar and wind and to give rural communities more say.

However, these changes won’t affect contracts already in place. That means projects already approved, but not built, will be eligible to get 13.5¢/kWh for wind and 64.2¢/kWh for solar, keeping the building boom going for the next three or four years.

Green energy was supposed to launch a vast new industry in Ontario with the export of products and expertise to the world. But the world is losing interest. Instead the next energy boom, and the resulting jobs, will be due to brown energy in the form of low-cost natural gas.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/margaret-wente/ontarios-green-dream-was-just-a-fantasy/article2369422/
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/adam-radwanski/mcguinty-powers-up-a-compromise-on-renewable-energy-plan/article2368524/

Reply to  ThomasJK
August 8, 2018 6:03 am

Correct Thomas.

I posted this circa 2010:

The problem with most “green energy” is it is really “brown energy” – it has a strong aroma of the barnyard.

Brown energy is so inefficient that more energy goes into the manufacturing process that comes out as product – examples are wind power, solar power and corn ethanol.

A telltale characteristic of brown energy is that it requires life-of-project subsidies. Subsidies are defined here as a net inflow of taxpayers’ or consumers’ money to support the technology – this is not at all the same as a reduction in the high royalties and taxes paid by many fossil fuel producers.

There are some promising examples of real green energy, but they all have one factor in common – they do NOT require life-of-project subsidies.

HotScot
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
August 8, 2018 5:55 am

Allan

“WHAT IF THE ENTIRE VERY-SCARY GLOBAL WARMING ALARMIST MANTRA IS FALSE?”

A very important question.

Their own ‘precautionary principle’ should be applied, meaning we should do nothing. By spending vast amounts on renewables, shutting down coal mines and coal fired power stations, nuclear energy and restricting fracking (in the UK at least) they are reacting not being cautious.

They are wrong and are condemning my children and grandchildren to a dystopian future but they are too obsessed with their own self importance to see that.

Reply to  HotScot
August 8, 2018 11:33 am

Hi HotScot,

This was recently posted on wattsup – and it is SO TRUE!

“Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and higher education positively fortifies it.”
– Stephen Vizinczey

The entire Canadian federal Cabinet seems to have this terrible affliction – they are either incredibly evil or incredibly stupid – and I just don’t think they are all that evil.

Your British Cabinet seems to be even more obtuse, and they have had a much longer time to learn just how idiotic their green energy schemes truly are!

As I recall, Britain’s foolish green energy schemes started with Tony Blair about 20 years go, and have continued until now, when there appears to be a slight perturbation in The Farce, with the permission to frack-on.

There may be method in their madness – the UK’s per-capita Excess Winter Mortality Rate this past year was about 2.5 times the average for the USA – with about 48,000 Excess Winter Deaths in the UK.

Green energy is a very effective method of killing off the elderly and the poor.

MarkW
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
August 8, 2018 11:32 am

A plant biologist who doesn’t know that CO2 and warmth are good for plants.

drednicolson
Reply to  MarkW
August 8, 2018 4:03 pm

A plant biologist who’s never grown a real plant, I’ll wager.

Gamecock
August 8, 2018 5:21 am

‘The future looks fiery and dangerous, according to new reports.’

Same as the old reports.

‘calls from the new far-right populists for strong authoritarian leaders to solve these problems.’

The ‘new far-right populists’ (sic) don’t think there is a problem. Nothing to ‘solve’ here.

Gamecock
August 8, 2018 5:24 am

Fascism: strong, autocratic central control of a private economy.

The only difference between fascism and communism is who owns the means of production.

bonbon
Reply to  Gamecock
August 8, 2018 7:46 am

From Roman Fasces – a fistfull of staves for its corporatist interests.

honest liberty
Reply to  bonbon
August 8, 2018 1:56 pm

all bound by the rope of central authority

michel
August 8, 2018 5:32 am

The future looks fiery and dangerous, according to new reports. But political will and grassroots engagement can change this

Notice the characteristic failure to specify where exactly this political willand grassroots engagement will have to take place.

Like, are they calling for it to take place in the world’s largest emitter, China? Thought not.

The advocates of this stuff never take the trouble to explain that if they take place in the US, or the OECD countries, the countries who account for over two thirds of global emissions will not benefit from them.

In fact, in most of them to engage in political will and grassroots engagement is a quick and speedy route to a re-education camp, without passing GO and without influencing emissions.

Be alert for this. We have to reduce emissions, we have to change in various ways…. Always ask: and who exactly do you mean by ‘we’? And why?

Cube
August 8, 2018 5:34 am

It would seem that the climate “crisis” is already leading to global fascism.

bonbon
Reply to  Cube
August 8, 2018 7:45 am

Otherwise known as crisis management. Odd that it rhymes with ISIS.

Hivemind
August 8, 2018 5:36 am

Remembering that the Fascists were actually a variety of socialists, not far right at all; the NAZI party was the German Socialist Party. So, yet again, everything these people say is completely wrong.

bonbon
Reply to  Hivemind
August 8, 2018 7:44 am

When insider Rosa Luxemburg pointed that out, the weekly jacket swapping, they murdered her.

RockyRoad
August 8, 2018 5:42 am

The effort to control global CO2 emissions IS fascism.

(Amazing how the forces of evil always get it backwards, and they do it on purpose, the jerks.)

Craig
August 8, 2018 5:44 am

“calls from the new far-right populists for strong authoritarian leaders to solve these problems… leading to a lock-in of a deteriorating, isolationist, fascist future.”

The warmist’s increasing reliance on disingenuous Alinsky tactics, such as accusing your enemy of being exactly who you are and doing exactly what you do, is quite telling.

Phoenix44
August 8, 2018 5:54 am

“The political left has never understood that, if you give the government enough power to create ‘social justice,’ you have given it enough power to create despotism. Millions of people around the world have paid with their lives for overlooking that simple fact.”

Thomas Sowell

MarkW
Reply to  Phoenix44
August 8, 2018 11:33 am

As someone once said:
A government that is powerful enough to give you everything you want, is also powerful enough to take everything you have.

John Bell
August 8, 2018 5:56 am

Anyone take the time to read some of the comments of that article at the Guardian? WOW what a bunch of depressed, frustrated, naive marxists complaining about trump and greedy capitalists, it is hilarious, and it even shows that some comments have been deleted due to not toeing the party line.

Sheri
August 8, 2018 6:02 am

“The future looks fiery and dangerous, according to new reports.”

Every time I read statements of this kind, I am struck by the fact that global warming predicts the same end to the planet as Revelation does…….

JimG1
Reply to  Sheri
August 8, 2018 6:15 am

“I looked, and behold, an ashen horse; and he who sat on it had the name Death; and Hades was following with him.”
We could provide a lot of present day names for the rider of the pale horse but I won’t get into that as we all know them.

bonbon
Reply to  JimG1
August 8, 2018 7:43 am

Clint Eastwoods Pale Rider was good. A different horse entirely.

Bruce Cobb
August 8, 2018 6:04 am

Oh dear. Another day, another climate cuckaloo proseletyzing, knowing that whatever nonsense and idiocy he espouses will be happily snarfed up by the cackling, cooing, drooling True Believers, and heartily applauded by those in the Climate Industry.

JimG1
August 8, 2018 6:04 am

Claim: Failure to Control CO2 Emissions will Lead to Global Fascism

The obvious solution is global communism, right? Have not but skimmed the responses but suppose most have that theme for our wackadoodle friends on the warmist bandwagon. A little knowledge of history will show that fascism has never been capable of achieving the level of evil produced by communism. Just compare the millions killed by each for a rough guide to level of evil. Even some of the various religious purges probably killed more people than fascism.

Marcus
Reply to  JimG1
August 8, 2018 8:47 am

“Fascism” is only one step to the left to become ” Communism” and/or “Socialism”

ernie76
August 8, 2018 6:11 am

I find it ironic that the author states “…calls from the new far-right populists for strong authoritarian leaders to solve these problems.”, when the leftist global warming proponents are, in fact, calling for essentially fascist-like actions to be taken to enact their policies.

beng135
August 8, 2018 6:29 am

Claim: Failure Attempt to Control CO2 Emissions will Lead to Global Fascism

There, fixed it for Simple Simon.

Walter Sobchak
August 8, 2018 7:09 am

So our choices are the International Socialism of the “Climate Scientists” (f/k/a Stalinism), and nationalist fascism (f/k/a National Socialism a/k/a Nazism).

Waiter, I am sorry, I don’t think I am hungry. I’ll just have a cup of black coffee to go.

bonbon
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
August 8, 2018 7:41 am

Run but no chance to hide. There is another choice, and the establishment knows very well they are on very thin ice.

max
August 8, 2018 7:16 am

Counter Claim: Attempts to “Control” CO2 Emissions will Result in Global Fascism

There, fixed it for you.

Philo
August 8, 2018 7:17 am

“new far-right populists for strong authoritarian leaders to solve these problems.” Sounds like the fascist writer is fishing for the job.

Johanus
August 8, 2018 7:21 am

“Failure to Control CO2 Emissions will Lead to Global Fascism”

Actually, if you look at history, radical left-wing movements (Communism etc), tend to result in deprivation of freedoms and totalitarianism (at some scale, local, national or international). They pretend to be protecting the world from some kind of oppression (capitalism, colonialism, religion, etc), yet become the oppressors, once they have consolidated power.

What is “fascism”? Wikipedia says: “a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce…”

Isn’t that exactly what these greenie wackos are doing right now in virtually every “1st world” country? It seems to me that these “Green Fascists”, are indeed demanding control of industry, commerce, media and even personal speech and thought. Everywhere!

And they also promote the idea of “one world government”, through the United Nations. I don’t think it is possible to be more “ultra-national” than this: to establish a single government to rule the entire world!

So, “global fascism” is already here! CO2 had nothing to do with it, except provide a convenient pathway and roadmap for a complete social and economic revolution.

simple-touriste
Reply to  Johanus
August 8, 2018 8:07 pm

What the hell is ultranationalism? You must hate or despise all other nations? Then you cannot have allies, right? Then Mussolini’s Italy was totally not fascist?

Chemist
August 8, 2018 7:37 am

Apparently more leaders like Trump are being elected lately…is Trump a Fascist?

bonbon
August 8, 2018 7:39 am

Gleichschaltung, enabled by the Reichstag arson (9/11), means corporatist lockstep. The Roman Fasces of Il Duce Mussolini (praised by Time Mag) is the fistfull of corporatist interests.

Today the large social net corporate interests. have begun, in lockstep, to shut down dissent.

How long before they come for this blog? They even went after Ron Paul’s institute. All before the midterm elections.

pochas94
Reply to  bonbon
August 8, 2018 8:07 am

It’s what globalism will bring. This censorship of the media by globalist capitalists is a warning sign.

MarkW
Reply to  pochas94
August 8, 2018 3:52 pm

If you want to use government to shut down your competition, you are a socialist, not a capitalist.

Just having lots of money, or running a big company is not sufficient to make one a capitalist.

observa
August 8, 2018 7:44 am

“We suggest that a deep transformation based on a fundamental reorientation of human values, equity, behaviour, institutions, economies, and technologies is required,”

No fascism for us but if you’re in the market for porcine superiors to run the brave new Animal Farm then ahem!
https://cosmosmagazine.com/climate/earth-may-soon-become-inhospitable-to-current-human-societies

Joel Snider
August 8, 2018 8:11 am

Again – they keep harping on this – once again alerting everyone to what they’re all about.

It’s like they’re programmed. And all this robot-like collectivist conformity apparently leaves them absent of sufficient creativity to even deviate from the playbook enough to keep from making it so damned obvious.

I’ve called this blind and absolute hypocrisy before but, honestly, how can anyone lack self-awareness to this degree? Some of it HAS to be deliberate.

In a way, I HOPE it is – the thought of such a large segment of the human race being not much more than a collective ant-farm, is somehow more disturbing than outright villainy.

You can at least reason with a crook – zealot zombies, not so much.

pochas94
August 8, 2018 8:18 am

Time to threaten Google and Facebook with antitrust style actions if they don’t behave.

TomRude
August 8, 2018 8:31 am

Amazing what the system produces to force its totalitarian policies upon populations… You disagree? You are a populist. More guilt spewing at every corner.

pochas94
Reply to  TomRude
August 8, 2018 8:45 am

Totally confused by your labeling.

You write “Amazing what the system produces to force its totalitarian policies upon populations… You disagree? You are a populist. More guilt spewing at every corner.”

Guilt? At being a populist? According to Google (yes, Google) a populist is

“1. a member or adherent of a political party seeking to represent the interests of ordinary people.”

Why should one feel guilty about that?

Joel Snider
Reply to  pochas94
August 8, 2018 9:10 am

It’s because the press has labeled Trump a ‘populist’ – therefore, it’s a bad thing and you should feel guilty about it.
Simple if/then statement.

pochas94
Reply to  Joel Snider
August 8, 2018 9:51 am

The press is full of it. IMHO a populist Republican is a good thing.

MarkW
Reply to  pochas94
August 8, 2018 11:38 am

The economic policies of most populists is indistinguishable from that of most socialists.
They only differ when it comes to social policies.

I remember one gentleman who was quite proud of his “populist” leanings. He told me that the way to fix Social Security was to remove the cap on “donations”, and install a cap on payments.

In other words, to force the rich to pay more, but only give the proceeds to people like him.

Joel Snider
Reply to  MarkW
August 8, 2018 11:59 am

‘The economic policies of most populists is indistinguishable from that of most socialists’

I find the same is true of self-described ‘libertarians’ – at least the ones I meet here in Oregon.

MarkW
Reply to  Joel Snider
August 8, 2018 3:48 pm

Any “libertarian” who believes in taking money from one group and giving it another is no libertarian. (This is not a no true scotsman issue, since libertarianism is defined as a philosophy of small government and no initial use of force.)

It’s like a Christian who doesn’t believe in God. A contradiction in terms.

simple-touriste
Reply to  MarkW
August 8, 2018 8:17 pm

A poll of French people showed that most identified as Christians but that many of them did not believe in God…

MarkW
Reply to  simple-touriste
August 9, 2018 8:18 am

The French also believe that socialism is a good thing.

simple-touriste
Reply to  Joel Snider
August 8, 2018 8:26 pm

“Populist” is codename for stupid, backward thinking, unenlightened.

Enlightened people must be in favor of futuristic stuff. (“Renewables”, “Smart Grid”, “Smart Meter”…) Enlightened people promote vaccines (usually unable to say anything precise about any vaccine). Etc.

MarkW
Reply to  pochas94
August 8, 2018 11:36 am

The problem is that most politicians who claim the represent the little people, want to solve the problem of the little people by seizing the assets of the rich and giving it to the little people.
Socialism by any other name.

The only way to help the little people is to get government out of their way.

pochas94
Reply to  MarkW
August 8, 2018 2:29 pm

Or, build an economy they can participate in. Ok, I see how “populism” is being interpreted as Marxism. Too bad.

MarkW
Reply to  pochas94
August 8, 2018 3:49 pm

Too many people define “populism” as anything that helps me.

dmacleo
August 8, 2018 8:53 am
August 8, 2018 9:22 am

These guys have to do something to earn their pay. Never mind that it’s publishing elegantly phrased crap, … as long as they are involved, … doing something to make it look like they are doing something worthwhile, … to justify their grants, … to justify their tenured employment, … to put those degrees to … “work” [did I say, “work”– I meant, “put those degrees in play”].

Joey
August 8, 2018 9:37 am

This clown obviously doesn’t know what fascism is. He is simply using the lexicon of the radical left. How droll!

Ian Macdonald
August 8, 2018 9:50 am

Historically, It’s always been difficult to mount a revolution/insurrection in a country where the people are doing reasonably well. In order to have a chance of toppling the government, you need to create hardship and insecurity. The Watermelons are having a good try at it right now.

JBom
August 8, 2018 9:52 am

Expect to read that Global Warming will lead to the splitting of Homo sapiens into warring camps of Gays and Lesbians and the extinction of the species.

Ha ha jajajajajajaja

Pop Piasa
August 8, 2018 10:27 am

Must be a bummer to have this twisted dude as a teacher and have to blow this crap back at him to get an ‘A’.

Lizzie
August 8, 2018 11:03 am

The attempt to control CO2 will lead to fascism because it leads to control of the means of production.

Peta of Newark
August 8, 2018 11:08 am

get help mate – there are professionals out there who *can* help you.

MarkW
August 8, 2018 11:16 am

Global warming will result in fascism. In order to prevent that we must install fascism now.

Lucius von Steinkaninchen
August 8, 2018 11:32 am

That reminds me of that book teaching advanced techniques for political discussion:
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prjindigo
August 8, 2018 11:45 am

Isn’t this precisely what the IPCC is? If you don’t vote “yay” with them they put your ass in the gulag and deny you ever existed.

Davis
August 8, 2018 1:07 pm

No, it is worldwide communism that is taking over.

eddie willers
August 8, 2018 1:28 pm

IOW. We need to implement fascism so we don’t get fascists.

2hotel9
August 8, 2018 1:39 pm

No, “controlling” CO2 emissions IS fascism. CO2 is not a pollutant, it is in fact plant food, and makes the “climate” healthier.

philsalmon
August 8, 2018 2:22 pm

Hard to think of a more perfect example of a self-fulfilling prophecy. CAGW has brought the world ecofasc1sm.

Gary Ashe
August 8, 2018 3:10 pm

Oh no not Fascism, CO2 is an alt-right monster we need zero emissions of it.

Need ANTIFA on the case,

Craig from Oz
August 8, 2018 4:50 pm

You read through these articles and start to wonder who actually writes and believes this bollocks.

Then you get to the bottom and find the link to The Guardian and you wonder no longer.

Basically it is a sulking Leftie complaining that his type of totalitarian government might become be pushed aside by someone else’s type of totalitarian government.

Control is the goal of the Left. ‘Everything will be better if only the right people were in charge’. They may talk the talk of the Worker’s Paradise, but if you look closely they always cast themselves in the role of administrator.

The goal of the Left is to be in charge. They demand rules.

The goal of the Right is to be left alone. They request freedom.

Gary Pearse
August 8, 2018 5:37 pm

Sheesh we have social scientists-lite waxing strongly on alarmist climate science and the horibble things we should do with sceptics and we have global warming geographers, who should be out their graphing the geo, offering political prognostications on fascists overpowering the marxists! Its amazing how few comments on the subject are being made by scientists and when they do speak, they dont offer any science, only on the need for global command politics.

To quote an old pub philosooher at the St James Hotel in Winnipeg, “These bums got nuttin.” This philosopher had other apropos insights into the green field. He came into the pub with an armful of groceries he’d promised his wife he’d bring straight home. He approached our table as we raised fingers to order one for him. He took out two smoked Winnipeg Goldeye and my unc said arent they full of mercury? He said yeah, but just hold a lighter under their tails chop off their heads.

Tom Halla
August 8, 2018 5:42 pm

The old boy should actually read Orwell (as a warning, not a content guide).

Pat Frank
August 8, 2018 7:03 pm

It’s actually harking to people like (and such as) Simon Lewis that will lead to Fascism.

flow in
August 8, 2018 7:07 pm

“manage migration humanely”

the cultural marxism of the NWO is writ large. Climate Change Hysteria is a tool of the Kalergi plan

Crispin in Waterloo
August 8, 2018 7:42 pm

“Inward-looking nationalists could then move further away from the internationalism needed to ensure the continuation of stable global food supplies and to manage migration humanely.”

And who knows more about internationalism without a vote and forced migration against the wishes of the migrants than any other group in history? Why, it’s your friendly neighbourhood totalitarian ready and willing to decide what the whole world needs and deserves.

And who better to manage the food supply than unelected, unanswerable, self-righteous totalitarian? After all, someone has to take charge, right? It is everyone’s best interest I am sure.

I recall a lady commenting on the Soviet Union just after the fall of the Empire: “Communism is a very good system, if they could just invent people who didn’t need to eat.”

u.k.(us)
August 8, 2018 7:55 pm

“…However, an unstoppable globally enveloping cascade of catastrophe, while possible, is certainly not a probable outcome.”
==========
Thanks for that vote of confidence, I’ll sleep better tonight.

M_ S_
August 8, 2018 11:07 pm

One world government would lead to global fascism.

Hoser
August 9, 2018 7:37 am

I suppose we in the US should apologize to Europe for the impact one of our political parties has had on your lot. The Democratic Party was and remains the source of true evil in the United States and it had the same effect in Europe by being the model.

Carl Smith
August 9, 2018 8:38 am

So we either we go to world wide communism or we devolve into isolated fascist states? Not a good choice either way. Good thing this is total BS as usual.

Terry C
August 9, 2018 9:04 am

Always get a kick about how the lefties use Fascism as the ultimate boogeyman, usually alongside the NAZI boogeyman, to scare people into doing and thinking as they’re being told to do and think.

The incredible irony is that both Nazism and Fascism were clearly 100% socialist parties in their roots and in their thinking and in their party platforms and in their governmental policies.

The left-wing Fascists are scaring people with the threat of fascism from the right. Those who ignore history are bound to repeat it.

Art
August 9, 2018 10:01 am

So…if we don’t submit to climate fascism, the result will be….fascism. Riiiiight.

Neo
August 9, 2018 12:49 pm

Oh, no. We are beyond the “tipping point” and are doomed.

EMBRACE THE HORROR

Shano
August 9, 2018 1:27 pm

Let me add some nuance. The less climate scientists we graduate the less politically motivated fear mongering we can expect. You can take that to the bank

Trevor
August 9, 2018 2:50 pm

But, controlling CO2 emissions will REQUIRE Global Fascism. Because I’m not going to give up my CO2 emissions voluntarily, and neither will tens of millions of other freedom-loving Americans. So, even if the moron is right, and failing to control CO2 emissions WILL lead to global fascism, I’d rather put it off for another generation.

These idiots just don’t seem to get it. The degree of control governments will have to exercise over their people’s everyday lives in order to “stop global warming”, that IS fascism. They can call it whatever they want. I don’t give a damn what they call it. If I’m not free, either it’s fascism, or it might as well be.

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