
Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Don’t mention the “N” word – top economist Joseph Stiglitz has urged the US government to impose economically painful taxes to penalise fossil fuels, to facilitate a switch to renewables and energy efficiency technologies which have not yet been developed.
Nobel-Winning Economist to Testify in Children’s Climate Lawsuit
Joseph Stiglitz writes in a court brief that fossil fuel-based economies impose ‘incalculable’ costs on society and shifting to clean energy will pay off.
BY GEORGINA GUSTIN
JUL 11, 2018One of the world’s top economists has written an expert court report that forcefully supports a group of children and young adults who have sued the federal government for failing to act on climate change.
Joseph Stiglitz, who was awarded the Nobel Memorial Prize for economics in 2001 and has written extensively about environmental economics and climate change, makes an economic case that the costs of maintaining a fossil fuel-based economy are “incalculable,” while transitioning to a lower-carbon system will cost far less.
The government, he writes, should move “with all deliberate speed” toward alternative energy sources.
Stiglitz has submitted briefs for Supreme Court cases—and normally charges $2,000 an hour for legal advice, the report says—but he wrote this 50-page report pro bono at the request of the attorneys representing the children. It was filed in federal district court in Oregon on June 28.
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Although the report repeatedly mentions and references former NASA GISS director James Hansen, who is a fan of nuclear power, Stiglitz himself does not directly mention the nuclear option, instead urging carbon taxes and “support” for the development of renewable alternatives to fossil fuels.
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Moving the U.S. economy away from fossil fuels is both feasible and beneficial, especially over the next 30 years (as technological and scientific evidence discussed below makes clear). Defendants could facilitate this transition with standard economic tools for dealing with externalities, for example a tax or levy on carbon (a price on the externality) and the elimination of subsidies on fossil-fuel production. Relatedly, decisions concerning the transition off of fossil fuels can be reached more systematically and efficiently by revising current government discounting practices, the methodology by which future costs are compared to present costs. Current and historical government decision making practices based on incorrect discount rates lead to inefficient and inequitable outcomes that impose undue burdens on Youth Plaintiffs and future generations.
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There are many reasons to be optimistic that emissions could be curtailed further than previously thought. These benefits are a result of continued technological development in the renewables sector. Because of technological improvements, the costs of renewables and storage are decreasing. The price of solar panels has dropped by more than half in recent years (80 percent reduction from 2008 to 2016). In 2016 alone, the average dollar capital expenditure per megawatt for solar photovoltaics and wind dropped by over 10 percent. As these technologies continue to improve and the efficiency increases, while manufacturing costs drop, these technologies will more easily substitute for existing fossil fuel infrastructure.
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With the oil crises of the 1970s, recognition of the risks of dependence on oil was developed (though these risks were markedly different from those with which we are concerned today). Even then, it was clear that there were viable alternatives, and with the appropriate allocation of further resources to R&D, it is likely that these alternatives would have been even more competitive.
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Read more: https://biotech.law.lsu.edu/blog/document_cw_01-2.pdf
In my opinion there is a lot wrong with Stiglitz’s effort – surprising given his reputation.
Stiglitz seems to be committing the economic sin of treating future projections of technological advances and climate impacts as if they were high confidence.
Extrapolating renewable costs into the future is risky. Renewables may never achieve anything resembling cost parity with existing technology, or even large scale viability. In 2014, Google researchers discovered to their horror there was no viable path to a 100% renewable future using anything remotely resembling current technology. Betting the future economic wellbeing of the nation on solving serious problems which may not be solvable is a wild gamble.
Stiglitz claims substantial fossil fuel “subsidies” are arising due to inadequate treatment of externalities. Externalities are costs which don’t show up on your balance sheet. For example if your business keeps costs down by dumping trash on your neighbour’s property, you aren’t paying the true cost of dealing with with the trash – the cost of dealing with the trash is an externality, because it doesn’t show up on your balance sheet, at least until your neighbour figures out who has been dumping trash on their property.
But the claimed externality costs of CO2 only apply if CO2 emissions cause future harm. We’re not talking about trash which causes an immediate smelly mess, we’re talking about an invisible trace gas which may or may not cause a future problem.
As climate scientists themselves occasionally admit, the climate models which predict future harm are not scientifically falsifiable – they cannot be adequately tested except by waiting to see if they do a good job of predicting the future. Older models are not doing a good job of predicting future climate – as the controversy over the failings of James Hansen’s models demonstrates, relying on expert opinion in place of scientific falsifiability simply isn’t good enough.
Stiglitz solutions, even if they were viable, would be economically painful. Carbon taxes hurt poor people worst of all – a fact Stiglitz admits, though he qualifies his admission with claims that short term harm is worth the future benefit.
Nevertheless short term harm is no laughing matter, particularly when the harm is visited on society’s most vulnerable. You would want to be absolutely certain of the desperate need to impose increased hardship on people who are already struggling, you would want to thoroughly explore possible alternatives to hurting poor people, before concluding hurting the poor was the only available option.
Which is why Stiglitz’s omission of direct mentions of nuclear power is puzzling.
France converted 75% of their electricity to nuclear power in the 1970s. They kept costs down by standardising and mass producing nuclear plant components, and reprocessing nuclear fuel. French electricity is affordable, dispatchable and produces very low CO2 emissions. The cost of low emission French power doesn’t hurt poor people.
According to the EIA, US power plants emitted 1744 million tons of CO2 in 2017. Nuclear power currently produces just under 20% of US electricity. Copying the 1970s French nuclear programme, raising nuclear power to 75% of US electricity production, would reduce power plant CO2 emissions to 1744 / 80% x (100% – 75%) = 545 million tons per annum, saving over a billion tons per annum of CO2 emissions.
For shame Joseph Stiglitz. If CO2 is the serious issue Stiglitz claims, ignoring the possibility of avoiding harm to poor people by converting US electricity production to affordable nuclear power seems a very curious oversight.
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anyone else notice that not only are the predictions of doom 20-30 years out…..the technology to fix it is also
….it’s like chasing a running rabbit
Clive James calls the time unit the Hermie. From 1974!
http://www.clivejames.com/books/visions/hermie
And again in 2009 specifically on climate.
http://www.clivejames.com/point-of-view/series6/hermie
Even on the BBC!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8408386.stm
Whoops, above comment out of place. Meant for colin smith.
I like this quote about nuclear war, which, with one minor revision, is directly applicable to climate change:
Remember the unsolvable New York horse manure problem in 1890s?
Much like the ever promised and never realized Cold Fusion
“fossil fuel-based economies impose ‘incalculable’ costs on society and shifting to clean energy will pay off.”
If the costs of FF are ‘incalculable’ , how can you draw any conclusion about the relative merits of other possibilities ?
The main incalculable costs seems to be those of modifying the power grid to copy with a much larger fraction of variable “enewables” and the final price of an EDF fourth generation PWR.
For an economist to say something is incalculable would be like the Pope saying, “There is no God.” Although with Francis, you never know …
The Economist, Dec 19, 2015
Letters to the editor.
On cap-and-trade and carbon pricing.
Included a letter from Dirk Forrister.
https://www.economist.com/letters/2015/12/19/letters-to-the-editor
Institute for New Economic Thinking (INET), NYC, U.S.
Short biography: Joe Stiglitz.
http://www.ineteconomics.org/research/experts/jstiglitz
Has UN connection?
UNEP Finance Initiative (UNEP -FI)
Issue 69
December 2008-January 2009
UNEP FI January Thoughts
Re: Joseph Stiglitz, Davos
http://www.unepfi.org/fileadmin/publications/ebulletin/unepfi_ebulletin_200901.pdf
United Nations
Site
Search results: Joseph Stiglitz, 504 results.
http://www.un.org/press/en/search/content/Joseph%20Stiglitz
“If the costs of FF are ‘incalculable’ , how can you draw any conclusion about the relative merits of other possibilities ?”
By using an incalculable discount rate. Economists do it all the time. It is the financial equivalent of the cartographer’s “Here there be giants.”
“if you don’t have to do it,
…. it must be easy”
Just ask this guy.
Moore’s “law” is easy, except when not, when the key result is about done.
And here is the get out of jail free card, from the Summary of Conclusions in the link. Possibly why it was done Pro Bono, cannot be Liable for Malpractice if it is an unpaid “opinion” and not said under oath.
“The opinions expressed in this report are my own. All opinions expressed herein are to a reasonable degree of scientific certainty, unless otherwise specifically stated.”
“Defendants must act with all deliberate speed and immediately cease the subsidization of fossil fuels and any new fossil fuel projects, and implement policies to rapidly transition the U.S. economy away from fossil fuels,” Stiglitz writes.
This immediately establishes Stiglitz as an advocate, as a consultant worth $0.00/hr not–“…. normally charges $2,000 an hour for legal advice, the report says.” I know the type, they don’t do their homework, resume length aside.
Further proof that you don’t have to be very smart to be a “top economist, PhD, etc.” Whether he’s sold out to the cabal, or just not that bright is irrelevant I suppose- denial of the one workable non-CO2 option is proof it’s about politics and power not for the good of mankind.
Oh, he’s smart. Look at who pays him. There’s a heck of a lot more and surer money in campaigning for more graft than there is in arguing for less of it.
Joseph Stiglitz
Party affiliation: Democratic Party (United States)
Let’s not confuse the Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences as being one of the prizes (Don’t confuse it as being the ‘real thing’) that were established by Alfred Nobel and whose recipients are selected by the Nobel Committee. (See the attached.) It appears to me that the primary qualification for being “awarded” the prize is to be a politically active in a party that at minimum lists to port.
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“The prize was established in 1968 by a donation from Sweden’s central bank, the Swedish National Bank, on the bank’s 300th anniversary.[3][4][5][6] Although it is not one of the prizes that Alfred Nobel established in his will in 1895, it is referred to along with the other Nobel Prizes by the Nobel Foundation.[7] Laureates are announced with the other Nobel Prize laureates, and receive the award at the same ceremony.[3]”
“Laureates in the Memorial Prize in Economics are selected by the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences.[8][9] It was first awarded in 1969 to the Dutch and Norwegian economists Jan Tinbergen and Ragnar Frisch, “for having developed and applied dynamic models for the analysis of economic processes”.[6][10][11]”
Thanks for the info. I did not know that.
Sounds like a very similar description to that of the “Nobel Peace Prize”. Was that created at the same time?
For a variety of reasons, economists are always wrong. example
The
goodgreat thing about this lawsuit is that they are suing the federal government. That means, with President Trump in office, that it will be properly defended. If Hillary had won, they would have done sue and settle. That means they would effectively have circumvented congress, and thereby, democracy itself.I trust that the government lawyers will eviscerate Stiglitz’ arguments as well as raising the well known unreliability of economists’ projections. Economists should not be accepted as expert witnesses in such matters.
It’s foolish to guess the outcome of court cases but right now this one looks like a walk in the park for the feds.
From your mouth to God’s ears.
Amen.
My absolute favorite example of an economist getting it wrong was Krugman about the American economy following the election of Trump. Of course, this was the same economist who thought the way to fix the economy during the Obama years was to…wait for it…hire even MORE federal employees. Literally. That was his “plan”.
You can’t make this stuff up…
And if Trump did nothing else, ending sue and settle would (almost) be enough to earn my vote next time!
rip
Krugman is another winner of the not-a-Nobel Sveriges riksbanks Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel.
Economist: seldom correct, never in doubt. Stiglitz was sure that Hugo Chavez was going to bring prosperity to Venezuela. It didn’t quite work out, did it? Now he’s pontificating about climate and what to do about solutions to “global warming”, a subject where he has absolutely no understanding, though I have my doubts about his understanding of economics.
https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/2719
Stiglitz, like others, makes statements that turn out wrong, and gets praise for doing so.
Paul Ehrlich is another of these types.
Sen. Chris Dodd (D.-Conn.) supported Chavez.
Being well educated does not equal being smart.
I think you may be confusing education (learning something) with schooling (attending school).
I don’t have any doubt – whatsoever – that he can’t grasp even basic economic concepts. From the linked article:
Giving a dictator complete control of the currency in a single product socialist economy? Who could possibly be seeing that go wrong?
Wow – just all kinds a friggin’ wow.
With debt levels where they are now, it is critical that central banks NOT have autonomy. Eventually and probably soon we will have to undertake serious inflation across the Western world to monetize our ridiculous debts. The ensuing recession will be better than the alternative debt defaults. The possibility of actually paying down these debts is a dead dream!
The fruits of democratic economic management are poison X trillions.
The difference between inflating your way out of debt and just defaulting is merely timing.
MarkW
When the global financial collapse inevitably occurs (as posited by the greens) I’m not sure every countries debt won’t be cancelled out by all others.
So back to square one, do not pass GO, do not collect £200.
Much of that debt is not owned by governments.
If there ever is a widespread defaulting of government debt, every pension fund in the world will go belly up.
Whenever you have a dictatorship nobody else has autonomy. But then in the US the existence of a FED is unconstitutional because only congress had the power to create money. It is now the Federal Reserve who dictates and not We The People.
“fossil fuel-based economies impose incalculable costs on society…”
translation: I’m making this up as I go, and the costs can’t be calculated because they are a complete fairy tale.
So a top economist can’t calculate costs, so does that mean they could be low?
Also we can’t calculate these economic costs, but we can predict climate …
Incalculable could mean ‘no one knows how to calculate’ more than ‘ginourmnously expensive’
Rather like: ‘Climate change is the reason we must accept gazillions of ‘migrants’ because their lands are being destroyed’ …. yet curiously, our lands are not being destroyed.
How about:
Although it wasn’t needed to render his decision Judge Alsup explicitly mentioned that benefits would have been considered if he hadn’t been able to rule on strictly legal grounds.
That’s even more uncertainty than the IPCC! Could be zero but we should commit economic Hari Kari. Just in case!
Hello. Did mankind cause the Laurentide Ice Sheet to melt? You know, when 90+% of what is now Canada and much of what is now the USA was covered in ice and it all melted without any influence whatsoever from mankind, it demonstrates that Mother Nature (God’s Domain) does what it will do.
Imagine you (man/woman) are in middle of an ocean swimming. Along comes a nuclear aircraft carrier (Mother Nature) right at you at cruise speed (~30 knots) . So you think you can stop the carrier. Mankind gets run over by Mother Nature every time.
Most anyone that worked around Stiglitz know he is an ars and therefore well suited for this work.
Fun facts:
1) Stiglitz belongs to socialistinternational.org and was a former member in the Clinton admin.
2) he was one of the ’17 or so experts’ who talked to the pope on climate change.
I’m sure he really loves Pizza, hotdogs, and ping-pong.
I’d wager a month’s salary.
Hasn’t history proven over and over again that socialism and a healthy economy DON’T go hand in hand.
It is proving it as we speak! And at an economy near you!
The group that backed Cortez in her recent win in NYC openly advocates for the nationalization of all private businesses.
It really makes me wonder what critical facilities are available to this Nobel prize winner. It genuinely disturbs me that he can write 50 pages on the subject and not once satisfy himself that the basis of the situation is beyond reasonable doubt. It is so far from what I consider to be a rational approach that it leads me to thoughts of conspiracies. Often when something is presented, which is clearly so illogical, a conspiracy seems to hold a more rational explanation. The trouble is, that it is just such a stupid idea (that human produced CO2 alone controls the entire climate of the Earth) that any rational person would have rejected that as a foundation for a conspiracy and either thought of a more reasonable or at least more complicated counterfactual idea. Any would be conspiracy would surely at least found some way of fabricating evidence which is a little more convincing than a falsification of the temperature record – which is not only demonstrably fake – because of history – but which is also merely correlation, which does not imply causation. So although there clearly are a few charlatans on the bandwagon, urging it on, and a few bankers and their politicans that would support any reality that was profitable, the idea of a proper conspiracy seems less likely to be true than just plain stupidity. It really disturbs me to accept that intellectual giants of our society are so uniquisitive, irrational and willing to be led by unverified expert opinion. Anyhow apologies for the rant, and Eric, Andrew el al., keep up the good work patiently exposing this.
Look they’re doing their level best to save the planet from total destruction, and there you go trying to inject logic into their plan(s).
I often wonder about “smart” people that this. Maybe they suffer from delusional confidence in their knowledge? Are their circle of friends are so polite they never call him out or question assumptions?
He’s an “expert”. Very uncomfortable to question the consensus of other “experts”. Especially if they are of the same goofus politic stripe. Without a common acceptance of expertise, his has no value.
He is that special kind of idiot. His pronouncements have been accepted by others of like mind without question so now he assumes he’s right and has no need to really think about what he says. The Left is full of these. That’s why it survives as the dominant political-economic paradigm while it takes Western society down the hill to total ruin.
Infinite rights without any obligations.
Even less credible than Stern’s pathetic work of fiction.
Given thatthe supposed plaintiffs are minors with no standing to sue and therefore must act through a next friend, it would be an interestings exercise to put the next friends on the witness stand and explain how they know their charges understand what is being done in their name.
As for Steiglitz, tax every breath he takes…
I hope that, unlike Jimmy Savile, he lives long enough for the kids he uses to sue him for the brain damage caused.
Every breath you take
Every move you make
Every bond you break
Every step you take
I’ll be taxing you.
(apologies to The Police)
Apparently Stiglitz has not talked to the MIT team that reported that wind ans solar power are still about 400 years out. Dr. Stiglitz, if you are not talking nuclear you are not serious about what you are saying.
Wind and solar 400 years out?
Well its right for wind. give or take. It was supplanted 200 years ago by coal.
A friends ex-wife asked me ‘well where do you think we should put windmills then?’
“In a museum” I retorted snappily.
As for solar. well someone projected that ‘business as normal’ and population rise as normal and the human race’s energy needs would exceed the total solar insolation in less than 400 years.
That WOULD be man made climate change if the populations got so large that the actual burnup of artificial energy added more heat than the sun…UHI gone batshit crazy…
And it is a poke in the eye of any Cornucopians who don’t believe there are ANY limits to growth
@Leopold Danze Smith;
As for solar, I can’t fathom how your source got to his/her conclusion. Total human energy consumption is one (1) hour’s worth of planetary insolation. For everyone on the planet to have access to the same energy wealth as Americans would require quadrupling world energy production. Now you’re up to 4 hours of sunlight. World population is due to peak around 9 billion and remain steady or decline by about 2050, up from 7.5 billion, so just under 5 hours of sunlight. We’ll round up. So, assuming population remains about level out to 400 years, everyone on earth would have to consume 1,000 times more energy than Americans do today to come close (but still not equal) to annual Terran insolation.
Your first mistake was assuming that both population and energy usage would continue on a linear slope for 400 years.
The big rise in energy usage is in the third world where people are going from next to none to 1st world levels. The increase in energy usage for the 1st world has slowed dramatically.
The second is the fact that population growth has also slowed dramatically, even the overly pessimistic UN thinks the world’s population will peak by 2050 and then start falling rapidly.
Beyond that, why do you assume that the people of 400 years from now will be limited to just the Earth’s resources.
There are no limits to growth. Just limits to some people’s imagination.
I’m not sure where the myth that the UN predicts that population will peak by 2050 then decline thereafter comes from, but it isn’t altogether borne out by the facts. If you download the relevant data from the UN Population division (https://esa.un.org/unpd/wpp/Download/Standard/Population/) you will find there are three separate estimates in the form of low, medium and high variants. Yes, the low variant does peak shortly after 2050, but the medium variant keeps on growing, reaching 11.2 billion by 2100, while the high variant reaches 16.5 billion by 2100. Even the low variant doesn’t fall all that rapidly after 2050. It reaches a peak of 8.76 billion by 2053 and falls to 7.27 by 2100.
Predicting an unequivocally falling population after 2050 strikes me as wishful thinking.
Considering that the world’s fertility index is showing a constant decline since 1965, it’s more realistic than wishful. World fertility rate as of 2016 is 2.439. When it hits about 2.1, you are in negative growth territory. The trend appears linear back to about 2002, with an annual decrease of 0.013. Understanding the risks involved in extrapolating any trend very far into the future, at that rate negative population growth will kick in about 26 years from now, or 2044.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN
breaking iceberg
https://youtu.be/bsAqqHQcJyU
Cool, but nothing new….
We indeed still live in an Ice Age. It’s a pity the video maker missed the best parts.
Pretty much, the only supply for non-carbon dioxide producing electric energy is nuclear, as hydro is mostly built out. As Steglitz ignores nuclear, he has either not really considered the situation, or has, and has other motives for demanding renewables.
What no one has solved with wind and solar is the intermittency issue, and storage with the characteristics of Heinlein’s Shipstones would be required.
The bandar log never demand intellectual rigour. Only on message virtue signalling…
…It doesn’t have to work, just look like it might.
It is a well known fallacy to present an opinion by an expert whose expertise (economics) has no relationship with the area of interest : climatology or technology or science. This energy-ignorant soul didn’t even mention small modular molten salt nuclear reactors – Gee, they are only being developed in a dozen different forms by two nations (China, India) and over a half dozen private companies. There is NO doubt about either their practicality or their inherent safety or the speed at which they can be manufactured in factories. They are all fully designed and some have already had approvals from nuclear regulatory agencies for those preliminary designs. Some are about to build prototypes or even regular units for testing. The basic technology they use has been around for half a century and there have even been operable molten salt reactors. But they were not practical because there wasn’t enough space for enough low level uranium to produce sufficient power, due to the use of carbon moderators. But now there exists a moderator that is much more compact and that obstacle no longer exists. The other problem were the extrme corrosive effects of molten salt on a reactor core. That is being solved in two ways – using new alloys that can withstand corrosion for decades, or the cheaper method – simply encase the molten salts in typical fuel rods made of stainless steel, which can withstand the corrosive forces for 5 years, and swap out the fuel rods after 4 and half years and replace with a new one (Moltex Energy). IN other words, use a sacrificial metal (stainless steel, which is cheap). Molten salt reactors are the future because of 1) their low costs (producing power for lesss than 4 cents per KWhr) and 2) their inherent safety – nobody gonna die or even get hurt from anything that can occur in a molten salt reactor.
No molten salt reactor has ever produced power at 4c a kWh, ever.
Leo,
Do you think it’s a fair comparison to rate test reactors against modern economics? Or, do you believe the technology is inherently un-economical?
rip
If there are “NO doubts”, why bother with prototypes and testing?
Best to just start mass producing them and turning them on en masse in every population center.
After all…there is “NO doubt”.
Typical baby boomer…”I want it and I want it now!”
Baby boomers were just the start. It has only gotten worse with subsequent generations.
> Stiglitz seems to be committing the economic sin of treating future projections of technological advances and climate impacts as if they were high confidence.
Fusion is 20 years away. Has been for 40 years.
Affordable battery storage is a mere ten years away. has been for nearly a century.
Actually affordable battery storage is either < 15 years away, or it will never happen.
My money would be on the latter (if I had any).
I second that latter decision.
Fusion appears to obey relativity laws. To any observer, at any time, it’s always 20 years in the future.
Top Economist Urges Painful Switch to Energy Technology Which Does Not Exist.
Not a problem for an economist.
Just assume you have a can opener.
(Economics joke -How does an economist, shipwrecked on a desert island, open a can of beans?)
I didn’t know that deserts have islands ??
I like taking common statements the wrong way on purpose, but that one is too lame, even for me.
(Example of my style: when someone speaks of their baby being delivered I say something like ” Wouldn’t you want your baby to have a liver?”)
SR
[The mods have always maintained that it would be far cheaper, faster, and less painful to deliver babies (pre-assembled of curse) by FedEx, UPS, or Amazon Prime shipping. US Postal Service would only ensure that the package would be late, crumpled up, and over-priced. .mod]
Why would you want to open a can of beans if you are surrounded by desert?
We must desert the desert before our dessert melts!
Chief Economist of the World Bank. February 13, 1997 – February 2000
Chief Economist of a criminal organisation .
You want to meet more dangerous people?
Inequality and Climate Change: Joseph Stiglitz and Nicholas Stern in Conversation
https://youtu.be/ClaASDi9KtM
“Stiglitz has submitted briefs for Supreme Court cases—and normally charges $2,000 an hour for legal advice, the report says”
https://youtu.be/GYHT4zJsCdo
The Costs of Inequality: Joseph Stiglitz at TEDxColumbiaSIPA
He says Government is the problem (regulations) so what is his solution MORE (Big Brother) Government. How can such a dangerous man have received more than 40 honorary degrees.
I like it. My favorite is, “If you laid 1000 economists end to end they wouldn’t reach a conclusion”.
Lawyers and economists are fodder for a lot of good jokes and they’re funny because they are mostly true.
I read once many years ago that the average lawyer costs the U.S. economy $1 M a year. Probably 20 years ago. Chump change for an economist.
“The price of solar panels has dropped by more than half in recent years (80 percent reduction from 2008 to 2016)…”
— All those early subsidies when solar panels were expensive look a terrible investment, no? Now, I don’t have a Nobel prize, but if the cost is dropping by half every five years, then we can wait five years and buy twice as much capacity.
Save an infinite amount and don’t buy any.
I am waiting for them to be cheaper than cardboard or newsprint. Then they will be used to make packing boxes and store flyers. They will be worth installing when the price of wire drops by half every five years. I suppose they still won’t produce power at night or in the winter.
Of course, lithium batteries will be cheaper than building blocks in a few years, thanks to Elon and his megafactory.
A “top economist” is not an engineer and has no business telling anyone how to produce energy.
Stick to your own field, buddy-boy.
Daubert – hard to disqualify the expert with a nobel in economics – even if the expert has no expertise in science, technology or renewables – why not have Jacobson provide expert testimony – he is the expert on converting the USA to 100% renewables by 2040. –
Though you gotta wonder why jacobson with such expertise cant get hired by a utility company, since he is an expert on renewables.
Major flaw in his argument, Germany! Germany has committed $B’s to renewables (wind, solar, etc) and now has the highest electricity costs in the developed world! Merkel was also stupid (or duplicitous) enough to shut down their nuclear power plants without analysis or rational justification! Renewables are decades, possibly a century away from being sufficiently economical, reliable and robust to replace fossil fuels! Defense needs to find and present engineers and scientists that can demolish this “economist” bogus rants!
Germany also has the highest CO2 emissions in Europe per capita.
Windmills and solar panels win the elections.
Coal and nuclear power the country.
A triumph of doublethink.
Spain will catch up to germany soon. Their PS10 plant has a guaranteed price of 271 eur/mwh. Eye watering.