Pope Francis Asks Oil Companies to Deliver Cheap Reliable Clean Energy

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

The objective has been set, now up to the engineers to deliver.

Climate change: Pope urges action on clean energy

9 June 2018

Pope Francis has said climate change is a challenge of “epochal proportions” and that the world must convert to clean fuel.

“Civilisation requires energy, but energy use must not destroy civilisation,” he said.

He was speaking to a group of oil company executives at the end of a two-day conference in the Vatican.

Modern society with its “massive movement of information, persons and things requires an immense supply of energy”, he told the gathering.

“But that energy should also be clean, by a reduction in the systematic use of fossil fuels,” he said.

“Our desire to ensure energy for all must not lead to the undesired effect of a spiral of extreme climate changes due to a catastrophic rise in global temperatures, harsher environments and increased levels of poverty.”

Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44424572

The obvious response is you can have cheap, reliable energy or non-polluting energy, but not both.

But perhaps this is an opportunity. The Catholic Church has an awful lot of money, and the world is full of wildly implausible energy claims which few serious venture capitalists would consider, like E-cat cold fusion generators.

Skeptics like myself might think alternative energy ideas like Andrea Rossi’s E-cat claims are nonsense, but who knows? If Pope Francis wants the impossible, he needs to consider the extremely improbable, because just maybe somewhere out in the wilderness of wild ideas is an idea with real potential which we have all overlooked.

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Jimmy Haigh
June 9, 2018 9:32 pm

That’s exactly what they do.

Reply to  Jimmy Haigh
June 10, 2018 6:25 am

Isn’t a Pope supposed to be asking God for this, not man?

Reply to  Jimmy Haigh
June 10, 2018 7:09 am

He seems to be a little mixed up between “God” and “Mammon.”

Reply to  Jimmy Haigh
June 10, 2018 7:32 am

Being Pope has gone to his head………

Reply to  Jimmy Haigh
June 10, 2018 1:21 pm

Isn’t the Pope supposed to be infallible? So, if he is wrong about man-made climate change, what does it tell about the Catholic Church?

Reply to  BernardP
June 10, 2018 1:57 pm

Infallible in matters of faith and morals when speaking ex cathedra, i.e., from the papal throne as Pope.

Lord Acton (“…Absolute power* corrupts absolutely.”) made a trip to Rome to try to convince the Church not to declare the Pope infallible in even that limited sense. He was unsuccessful, unfortunately.

So far, the current Pope has not spoken on Climate ex cathedra. I would not rule that out in the future, however. Francis is a Communist and Communists are, by nature, unable to leave any power unused that might serve their ends.

* Acton was speaking of the Pope, but this is generally true.

Reply to  jorgekafkazar
June 10, 2018 5:38 pm

I would not recommend trying to defend the Catholic faith by making claims about the infallibility of this guy.
If they wanted to elect a pope that would damage respect for the church, they picked the right person.

Reply to  jorgekafkazar
June 10, 2018 11:16 pm

“Infallible in matters of faith and morals when speaking ex cathedra, i.e., from the papal throne as Pope.”
Wasnt he speaking about matters of faith when he declared the Sun moved around the Earth during the time of Galileo?
Jesus – “Foxes have dens and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head.” but the man who claims to represent him on Earth lives in a palace and sleeps in a golden bed.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Richard
June 11, 2018 11:50 am

No, he wasn’t. As a cardinal at the time observed, “The Bible tells us how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go”. Galileo claimed as a matter of truth that the earth went around the sun. He could offer no supporting evidence, which wouldn’t be forthcoming until M. Foucault’s observations a couple of hundred years later. This absolute claim is what got him in dutch with the Office of the Inquisition.

There are only two (2) ex cathedra teachings, and both are about Mary.

Reply to  jorgekafkazar
June 12, 2018 6:06 am

If he wants to venture out of his realm of infallibility, he needs to be ready for people to tell him that he has no clue about what he’s trying to discus. It’s kind of like a sports figure or actor recommending a commercial product unrelated to his area of expertise.

Reply to  BernardP
June 10, 2018 4:44 pm

NO, he’s not infallible. Where people pick up this nonsense about papal infallibility is beyond me…


June 9, 2018 9:49 pm

The Pope is pissing off most all followers. He is gonna get a boot in his a$$ from his continued questionable actions on many fronts. This is what happens when you put a socialist in that position of power.

Supplimental video that was sent to me. Is this wrong on said subject from a year ago? Much has happened since. Just curious on others take. Start at 9 minutes if you want to get to the nitty gritty fast, but the beginning was interesting also.

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  ossqss
June 10, 2018 1:41 am

She tells her opinions openly, and thoroughly. I love it. This vid should be sent to every news agency on Earth.

J Mac
Reply to  ossqss
June 10, 2018 10:00 pm

The Pope should stick to the religion of Christianity. He’s out of his depth with the Climate Change religion, but he thinks it can serve his socialist political desires.

Reply to  ossqss
June 11, 2018 9:49 am

Yes, the 9:00 minute mark is the climate nitty-gritty, but if you’re interested in faith, I recommend starting at the beginning. (I did not watch the whole video. Well not yet)

(P.S. this is my first post in the new comment style. Hope it’s OK)

June 9, 2018 9:49 pm

No, the obvious response is that we already have cheap, reliable, clean energy from the oil companies.

Bryan A
Reply to  Alexander Carpenter
June 9, 2018 10:34 pm

Not to mention the cheap reliable and CO2 free Hydro and Nuclear energy fuels sources.
Coming from the Pope, perhaps the church could bring forth a miracle of a cheap/abundant/”clean” non nuclear, non hydro energy source.

June 9, 2018 9:51 pm

You know da greens is in trouble when all dey got left is da pope! (‘n you know what? all dey got left is da pope)…

Malcolm Carter
June 9, 2018 9:53 pm

So any mention of nuclear fission? None ? I guess when your profession depends on miracles you can overlook the one that has already occurred and go for the preposterous.

Reply to  Malcolm Carter
June 10, 2018 8:10 pm

Great if you can work out how to use less energy to start and maintain the reaction than what you get out of it.

Reply to  Avi Barzel
June 10, 2018 8:14 pm

Ummm, we’ve known how to start and maintain the reaction of nuclear fission and get gigantic amounts of energy out of it for a lifetime now.

Reply to  Felix
June 11, 2018 10:22 am

Ehem, right you are. Muddle those two words all the time…

Malcolm Carter
Reply to  Malcolm Carter
June 10, 2018 8:54 pm

Avi Fission (U-235) not fusion (H-3 + H-2)

Reply to  Malcolm Carter
June 11, 2018 10:21 am

Um, thanks. I stand corrected with a smear of egg on my face….

June 9, 2018 9:55 pm

The consensus is now complete.

Phil sawyer
Reply to  Roaddog
June 9, 2018 11:35 pm

The victory of the green religion over the traditional Christian one is complete!
How do I know that? Because even the pope doesn’t see it!

Reply to  Phil sawyer
June 10, 2018 6:27 am

There’s a bunch of us who’ve been saying that the popes are full of crap for a little over 500 years now.

Reply to  wws
June 10, 2018 12:21 pm

Not all of them. John Paul II played a pivotal role in the collapse of the old Soviet Union.

Michael 2
Reply to  wws
June 10, 2018 6:48 pm

“There’s a bunch of us who’ve been saying that the popes are full of crap for a little over 500 years now.”

You age remarkably well!

Richard Patton
Reply to  Michael 2
June 10, 2018 8:26 pm


Javert Chip
Reply to  Roaddog
June 10, 2018 10:10 pm

I get that popes can pretty much speak on whatever they want…however, the church obviously has a long-standing criminal mess with priests (and their enabling bishops) playing with little boys.

Maybe popes should spend more time & effort on things they’re directly responsible for before wandering into the fantasy world of climate.

4 Eyes
June 9, 2018 10:20 pm

“It’s up to the engineers to deliver”. So easy to say when you are not an engineer. From the day I started mech engineering at university, 48 years ago, I have been wondering about alternative ways of powering the world. Why wouldn’t I? I’d be a trillionaire if I could economically replace fossil fuels. I am sure 97% of mech engineers have dreamt the same. Problem is, dear Pope, dear alarmists, dear politician, dear journalist, dear greeny, it just isn’t that simple.

Reply to  4 Eyes
June 10, 2018 12:02 am

It’s clear Pope Francis doesn’t know much about technology, engineering, business, economics or how to make a living outside the church. It is also evident his advisors are ignorant Marxists, which is understandable given that the guy is communist.

What seems to escape him is that non government owned oil companies are very good at extracting oil and making products which use oil and gas as a feedstock. They aren’t really energy companies, aren’t well suited to build nuclear plants, windmill or solar panels. This means they shouldn’t even try to go into those business lines, because they’ll likely fail.

I realize Statoil, which has strong government mandates, is dabbling in offshore wind power, which works when heavily subsidized and won’t accomplish much beyond a few niche projects in rich nations. But I wouldn’t bet on oil companies in general doing much good outside their field. As oil runs out, they are turning into natural gas producers. When natural gas runs out, they won’t have much left to do.

Reply to  Fernando L
June 10, 2018 3:50 am

Fernando wrote:
“It’s clear Pope Francis doesn’t know much about technology, engineering, business, economics or how to make a living outside the church.”
Sounds like most politicians I hear of in the news. Just replace “Pope Francis” with any politician’s name and “the church” with “government”, and the statement would be just as true. Everyone in power all of a sudden becomes an expert in fields they have never studied.

Reply to  Fernando L
June 10, 2018 6:25 am

Oil companies have enormous experience working in deep sea environments. They can easily leverage that into deep sea mining operations. The recent discovery of several hundred years of rare earth metals at 6000m off the coast of Japan is just the tip of the iceberg.

Lil Fella From Aus
June 9, 2018 10:28 pm

With due respect he is clueless on this subject and should leave it to those who know. Oil companies already produce cheap fuel. That is why greens don’t get it, they are still down the bottom of the garden with the other gnomes and fairies.

Walter Chips
Reply to  Lil Fella From Aus
June 10, 2018 2:55 am

Should have just stopped after ‘clueless’!

June 9, 2018 10:33 pm

It seems like the pope is an expert in all things, but has little knowledge of anything.

Reply to  Phillip Bratby
June 9, 2018 10:37 pm

I am reminded of the older, real religious-leader Pope, who was told, “The Church should tell us how to get to heaven, not how heaven goes to hell.”

Javert Chip
Reply to  Phillip Bratby
June 10, 2018 10:13 pm

Well, he was educated/mentored by communists.

June 9, 2018 10:33 pm

Well da papa could try a little miracle himself – mebe practice a little by walking on water for awhile and then work up to a really biggie – carbon free cheap energy – that would do the trick – join the immortals!

Reply to  Kleinefeldmus
June 9, 2018 10:40 pm

(he could turn water into gasahol… ☺)

June 9, 2018 10:37 pm

I am now going to preach to the pope: Francis, please open your Bible to Genesis, Chapter 8, and read its last two verses:

“…and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man’s sake … neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done. While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.”

Francis, please note the last sentence. The things of nature mentioned therein are all CYCLICAL — no monotonically increasing, run-away heat death for this earth. Francis, put away your LINEAR thinking!

This ends my encyclical to Pope Francis.

Reply to  noaaprogrammer
June 10, 2018 5:14 pm

In the Green religion Man has become God. Little does he remember that in fact he is just one more squirming Animal, existing at the whim and mercy of Nature. I think that’s what they just can’t take.

Reply to  noaaprogrammer
June 11, 2018 2:08 pm

It seems like you making a logical point… but last time the Vatican and the Pope did follow that line, the Pope and the Vatican ended up hands full with this Galileo humiliating problem.

In matters of knowledge as per science there is no any authority position that actually validates confirms or proves anything, apart from the means of the scientific method, which simply means that in matters of science the Pope has to stand by the main line of the
scientific orthodoxy, unless clearly and convincingly shown otherwise….

And in this particular case, is not like pope Francis has or did issued a Papal order, or any order at all,,, it simply is in a manner of urging and pleading….far much softer and benign than the position that some USA institutions of power are taking.

And in principle I think that the theological or philosophical religious method can not be engaged against the science by a religious authority, as it will engage at some point with the scientific method, which is not much different in principle.

Both methods essentially support and cherish the “ugly fact”, in fact the christian path stands as the upholding of the virtue of one of most “ugly facts” in Religion of God. Where The Pope actually as per catholic position, stands as the very loyal servant of that “fact”….as per religion point of view always of course .

In this context, any catholic or christian or any one baptized or even circumcised, that may like to assist and support the Vatican and pope Francis in matters of climate change science, got to make the effort and get a petition in the means of informing about the four testimonies before the USA congress about the scientific method in the subject of climate change…

Anyway, I my self can not see any reason for much of a problem with this latest activity.

Maybe the problem could be little more so and a bit more complicated in the case of the excommunication clause! (not very clear this one)


June 9, 2018 10:37 pm

The pope is an idiot.

Reply to  Sam Grove
June 10, 2018 2:09 am

Sam Grove

Worse than that, he’s just what Jesus didn’t want.

A privileged man, taking money from the poor to surround himself with wealth, then preach to the poor about how evil they are.

June 9, 2018 10:40 pm

Is this the guy who heads a religion that until recently (1822) thought the sun revolved around the earth. The same religion that until 1903 promoted the castration of children to maintain their singing tone? Sorry if I don’t care about what an irrelevant guy in a dress and pointy hat thinks about global warming, green energy or anything else really.

Reply to  Gerrycooper56
June 10, 2018 11:47 am

No. This is the guy who heads a denomination that until recently, etc.

Reply to  Gerrycooper56
June 10, 2018 5:16 pm

The day he shows us the “loaves and fishes” trick with energy we’ll start paying attention. ‘Til then, he’s just one more voice braying into the echo chamber of the Tower of Babel.

John F. Hultquist
June 9, 2018 10:43 pm

or non-polluting energy

I’ll give you some leeway on this. Just suggesting it could have been worded better.

June 9, 2018 10:56 pm

Unlike those who are working to destroy western civilization from within, the Pope acknowledges the importance of cheap reliable energy. That’s a good thing.

We know that agents of the USSR actively worked to subvert the west by working with the powerful, corrupt, and cynical. link H.R. McMaster says Putin is still doing the same thing. link Putin would like to have activists campaign against fracking in Europe. That way, Europe would be forced to continue importing natural gas from Russia. link

The bad guys want to deprive everyone of cheap reliable energy.

Wiliam Haas
June 9, 2018 11:01 pm

The cleanest burning of fossil fuels oxidizes hydrocarbons to yield CO2 and H2O both of which are vital to life on this planet. The reality is that there is no radiant greenhouse effect and that this added CO2 and H2O has no effect on climate. The climate change we have been experiencing is caused by the sun and the oceans over which mankind has no control.

Ken Mitchell
June 9, 2018 11:12 pm

Abundant clean energy? Sure. But it won’t be especially cheap, especially as long as the Luddites keep blocking the way. Nuclear? While the lefty lawyers keep filing lawsuits to delay everything…. As long as the politicians keep blocking things like orbital solar power…

I suggest fairy dust and unicorn farts.

Greg Freemyer
Reply to  Ken Mitchell
June 10, 2018 5:41 am

Fusion is the future and getting here fast. Progress is sufficient that public utilities are starting to invest. Southern Company is my local utility and they are starting to talk about fusion efforts at investor conferences.

John P Schneider
Reply to  Greg Freemyer
June 10, 2018 10:21 am

Getting here fast? In the ’60s, it was just 40 years away. Sometimes I hear now that it is just 20 years away, but I suspect it is still 40 years – i.e, the business horizon. Businesses don’t generally plan beyond 40 years in general. That’s as far as the eye can see for them.

Reply to  Greg Freemyer
June 10, 2018 3:31 pm

Fusion has been a few years,away for over 60 years.
Fission is just fine and waiting to actually help us.

June 9, 2018 11:14 pm

Oil company executives don’t tell Francis how to do his job. He shouldn’t be telling them how to do their jobs, especially since he is so clueless. Stick to what you know, Frank.

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  Art
June 10, 2018 1:50 am

I do wonder what the engineers thought, or even discussed for two days. Did they just sit back in their chairs dreaming of what they’d do when they get back home, or did they discuss the problem with the Pope.

Gathering from his comments; whatever was discussed, it didn’t penetrate this thick skull.

Alan Tomalty
Reply to  Art
June 10, 2018 7:02 am

And what exactly does the Pope know?

Reply to  Art
June 10, 2018 12:26 pm

Back in the 80’s the Council of Bishops issue an encyclical on the economy.
A famous economist (could have been Alan Greenspan) replied, when asked about it replied, I’ll read it right after the Council of Economic Advisers publishes it’s paper on the Virgin Birth.

June 9, 2018 11:33 pm

He has shown that the office of the Pope is a political post and has very little to do with religion.

John P Schneider
Reply to  mikebartnz
June 10, 2018 10:24 am

Mike – He has shown that the office of the Pope has become a political post and has very little to do with religion.
Wasn’t always that way, or at least didn’t appear to be so. Of course, any post that one is elected to has some politics in it, but the lifetime appointment was intended to minimize that element. But this pope is all about global politics.

Richard Patton
Reply to  John P Schneider
June 10, 2018 8:36 pm

There were times (before the Reformation) when it was **much** more politicized than today. When the office was sold to the highest bidder (from the ‘correct’ families of course).

June 9, 2018 11:43 pm

Oil company Chiefs deserve the Pope and vice versa.
Both are left-wing UN globalist mobsters serving corrupt vested interests.
Many public entities and the Catholic church have been infiltrated by ‘fund managers people’ fronting for the UN.
Crooks of the highest order and let’s not forget their mates at Google who blew a couple of hundred million trying to prove that everyone was doing renewables wrong. Then abruptly in 2014 Google stopped and admitted renewables were unviable. Some of their engineers were not so polite using words to describe renewables that can’t be repeated here.

Reply to  Warren
June 10, 2018 10:55 am

Wrong. Here is what they said: “Trying to combat climate change exclusively with today’s renewable energy technologies simply won’t work”, they write. “We need a fundamentally different approach.”

So yeah, renewables alone are not enough. That’s no stop the presses news – it’s well known that a combination of energy efficiency improvements and renewable energy is needed. And of course in the 4 years since they wrote their article, massive improvements in battery technology have been made.

Reply to  Chris
June 10, 2018 12:29 pm

Just keep telling yourself that. Perhaps it will help you sleep at night.

Reply to  Chris
June 10, 2018 2:05 pm

Massive? Is that another word for imaginary?

Reply to  Chris
June 10, 2018 3:14 pm

Wrong. Renewables (solar & wind) are unviable. Google spent most of its time and money under RE<C on solar and wind. Fragmentation, as you propose ("a combination of energy efficiency improvements and renewable energy") of the electricity market is the problem, not the solution.
Anyway, just ask James Hansen what's going to happen to solar & wind. He was a principal adviser to RE<C.
There won't be many commercial solar or wind farm operating in the World by 2080.

June 9, 2018 11:43 pm

Watermelon pope

Tom Gelsthorpe
June 10, 2018 12:22 am

Pope makes it official: The Middle Ages were the Good Old Days!

His native Argentina agrees to junk all tractors, plow the pampas with teams of mules, haul produce to market with “clean” ox carts, manage transoceanic commerce with wooden windjammers.

Peasant revolt begins when the little people tire of stepping in cow flop, being widowed & orphaned by shipwrecks.

“Oh well,” sayeth the Pope. “Back to the drawing board.”

The Pontiff retreats to walled Vatican City, as angry peasants mass outside, brandishing pitchforks. “The next project? A world without walls! Or pitchforks.”

Reply to  Tom Gelsthorpe
June 10, 2018 5:15 am

Plowing the pampas with mules or oxen is considered animal cruelty these days.

June 10, 2018 12:37 am

This attitude has deep roots – right back into the Old Testament.
Moses, otherwise brilliant, led his people from Egypt to the only patch of land there that had not a single drop of oil.
Talk about futures!

Reply to  bonbon
June 10, 2018 4:44 am

Not only that, he took 40 years to do it – Golda Meir.

Greg Freemyer
Reply to  bonbon
June 10, 2018 5:44 am

But they have natural gas!

Reply to  bonbon
June 10, 2018 6:08 am

That took only 3000 years to mature – long term investment.

Reply to  bonbon
June 10, 2018 7:15 am

That’s half the Biblical age of the universe, high risk.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  bonbon
June 10, 2018 10:49 am

The Bible does not give an age for the Universe.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
June 10, 2018 2:25 pm

But, Tom, the great Bishop Ussher, Primate of All Ireland, calculated, from the Holy Scripture, that the World was created in 4004 BC [I think on 26th October, but open to correction – my memory may well be in error].
That seems tolerably close to giving an age for the universe – remember, before then the ‘World was void and without form’ – ‘World’, perhaps, an analogy for universe.
Like the Racing Pages may say that Horse One beat Horse Two by five lengths, and Horse Two beat Horse Three by two lengths. They do not say that Horse One beat Horse Three by seven lengths. But that can be calculated!

Of course, the Bishop may have miscounted.
Or the Biblical words may have been mistranslated – or even wrong to start with.
Or, perhaps, written only as analogies . . . . .


Reply to  Auto
June 10, 2018 2:51 pm

Or, there’s the truth. That the genealogies from which any well meaning counter (including Bishop Ussher) might attempt such a calculation, are incomplete.

Unless of course, Jesus Christ truly is the “son of David” (strictly speaking, that is) plus or minus 1000 years after David’s death.

Reply to  bonbon
June 10, 2018 12:29 pm

Oil has been found in Israel.

Nils Rømcke
June 10, 2018 12:40 am

God exists! Scientific proof: 100% consensus among priests . . . .

Just Jenn
Reply to  Don Perry
June 10, 2018 7:13 am

Denier! Heretic!

Those priests are just misguided souls, or had their words skewed by the evil media (you know the ones that don’t support our statement), the consensus is in! The matter is settled!! How dare you question the consensus and our made up statistic!


June 10, 2018 1:12 am

The Pope endorsed the Encyclical from Hell, Laudato Si , written by Dr. John Schellnhuber, CBE of the Potsdam Climate Institute. Scientific and technological progress is ruled out a direct attack on developing nations.

Reply to  bonbon
June 10, 2018 7:44 am

Correction : PIK – the Potsdam Climate Impact research institute.

Leo Smith
June 10, 2018 1:39 am

Cheap Reliable Clean Energy?

That will be nuclear power then…

dodgy geezer
June 10, 2018 2:09 am

…Pope Francis Asks Oil Companies to Deliver Cheap Reliable Clean Energy…

Oil Companies ask Pope Francis to deliver a world without evil….. and the Second Coming would be nice….

Reply to  dodgy geezer
June 10, 2018 5:38 am

“the Second Coming would be nice….”

That’s what the wife says.

John P Schneider
Reply to  saveenergy
June 10, 2018 10:29 am

Oh, you’re bad. I like you. We should both be removed by the moderators.

Reply to  dodgy geezer
June 10, 2018 10:52 am

dodgy, be careful what you ask for. (pope francis isn’t known as PETER THE ROMAN for nothing, you know)…

Mihaly Malzenicky
June 10, 2018 2:15 am

“world is full of wildly implausible energy claims which few serious venture capitalists would consider, like E-cat cold fusion generators.
Skeptics like myself might think alternative energy ideas like Andrea Rossi’s E-cat claims are nonsense, but who knows?”
I think this is the only realistic chance we can handle, but that’s going to hurt oil companies too.

Mihaly Malzenicky
Reply to  Mihaly Malzenicky
June 10, 2018 2:35 am

It is very correct for Pope Francis to gives its views on a number of issues in the disastrous state of the world. It would be ideal if he were able to correct his mistakes as a matter of migration for example. That would mean that he views are going to develop like any ordinary person.

Robert of Ottawa
June 10, 2018 2:16 am

The Pope is asking the wrong head office for a miracle. He should be talking to hs own CEO.

June 10, 2018 2:38 am

When two religions join…

June 10, 2018 3:00 am

Since the pope has a hotline to the most intelligent and knowledgeable being in the universe (so he says), why does he not ask god how it can be done.? Better still, for god to deliver us the plans for a fusion reactor that actually works.

What is the problem here? Why is god so unhelpful? Or does god not like us? Or does god not exist? Perhaps thenpope might like to explain god’s reticence to help us.


June 10, 2018 3:15 am

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Yup – he is one alright!

David Dibbell
June 10, 2018 3:41 am

Let’s suppose that “clean” energy includes the system of energy storage, transport, and utilization that life itself exhibits. Let’s take green plants as an example, converting huge amounts of CO2 to more complex sugars, cellulose, etc. In the process, plants consume around half just to live and reproduce and grow. Look up “plant respiration.” Nature itself has already settled the question of whether a carbon-based energy system is “clean.”

June 10, 2018 3:49 am

So the pope throws in his lot with the anti-capitalists? It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle etc..

Recently I’ve been reading Yuval Noah Hariri’s excellent book “Sapiens”. He explains in an incisive way the bases of human society and when and how they emerged. One of these was money. Initially there was just barter of goods then financial tokens like coins. The amount of wealth in society was however more or less fixed. One person getting richer – like a king – meant others getting poorer – such as taxed peasants.

Then in medieval Europe and the Netherlands the idea of credit arose. A loan could be advanced based on the expectation of future repayment with interest. Suddenly wealth could grow, not having to be tied to coins or presently existing goods. It could be tied to goods that were expected to multiply in the future. Economics stopped being a zero sum game. Hariri showed that the succession of dominant powers in Europe was explainable by something as straightforward as credit-worthiness. First the Netherlands shook of Catholic Spanish rule since the more punctilious credit-worthy Dutch could attract more international investment for building warships and hiring mercenary armies, than the financially indisciplined Spanish. Later France and Britain would fight for global domination. France looked the stronger pick at first, but Britain won the financial war of attracting capital investment for warmaking. France, compromised by fiascos such as the Mississippi bubble, lost credit-worthiness, became bankrupted by global conflict and slid toward revolution.

So capital ruled, even back then. The central and brilliantly simple point that Hariri made was that money or credit is the hope of a better future.

Empires such as China, India, Persia, the Muslim world, were until the 17-18th centuries wealthier than Europe. But they lacked the capital system to energise world exploration and development of colonies, that led ultimately to global economic development.

Credit, capital and capitalism are built of optimism. The belief in, and banking on, and thus (this is the bit that the anti-capitalists don’t get) the creation of a better world; which then makes it happen.

Reading Hariri’s insight made it suddenly obvious to me why anti-capitalists have to be dystopian. Prophecies of doom such as harmful global warming, ecological decline, sea level rise etc., erode the basis of money and credit/capital. So it’s obvious why they are irresistibly and continually drawn to one dystopic fiction after another. Global cooling; global dimming; acid rain; global warming; sea level rise; the Great Barrier Reef like mythical Prometheus dying again and again, always magical reviving only to die again. The sea turning to plastic.

They have to kill hope in the future. They need to uproot hope from the human heart. They passionately desire a return to feudal times, with their self-appointed elite inside castle walls raising wealth to sustain narcissistic extravagance by impoverishing bonded, land-bound, energy deprived peasants.

Let’s keep hope alive and keep on demolishing the fictions of eco-doom. Global warming is beneficial, as is CO2 fertilisation. All dismal stories of climate doom remain firmly in a computer modelled fantasy future.

A previous pope Jean-Paul the second grasped this much better than the socialist Francis. His book “Crossing the threshold of Hope” showed the way – hope is our future, keep eco-feudalism in the past.

“Who so beset him round
With dismal stories
Do but themselves confound
Hope’s strength the more is”…

Reply to  philsalmon
June 10, 2018 10:36 am

Those who follow technological history “credit” England’s patent law with her role in expanding the very early beginnings of the Industrial Revolution that ALLOWED men to begin freeing slaves, creating a wealthy middle class of educated people, (and elevating the poor to a higher class than their only other existence: dirt-poor manual farming worldwide.)

Reply to  RACookPE1978
June 10, 2018 8:06 pm

Patent law? Nah, it was the potato. Nutritionally inferior, land-hungry and labour-intensive grain could not support a rising and urbanising population on a smallish island nation with unfavourable weather for high yields.

Reply to  Avi Barzel
June 10, 2018 8:13 pm

And yet those many other European countries which adopted the potato earlier and to a greater extent than England didn’t start the Industrial Revolution.

Reply to  Felix
June 11, 2018 10:47 am

Neither did the Amerindians who cultivated them first or the Spaniards who were next to adopt them. Obviously, a food source alone will not spur a particular development without a number of other preconditions, such as the availability of sea coal and metal ores, established trade patterns and the decline of rigid class structures such as feudalism. Even Marx and Engels recognized the importance of the potato and they had a front row seat to the Industrial Revolution in full swing. It’s the lack of an easy to raise rich food source to allow for a rapid population growth and a move away from agrarian work that would have made the shift to industry very hard.

Reply to  Avi Barzel
June 11, 2018 6:01 pm

The potato per se didn’t fuel the IR. It was the fried potato.

But the IR didn’t require potatoes. Improved agricultural practices with traditional crops, plus public health, would have enabled population growth even without potatoes.

My PhD thesis was on Liebig and the advent of chemical fertilizers, which led to the synthetic dye industry and modern industrial chemistry.

Reply to  philsalmon
June 10, 2018 3:47 pm

+10*10. Extremely insightful. Thank you.

June 10, 2018 3:51 am

Nothing to fuss about. Please notice the careful wording:
“a reduction in the systematic use of fossil fuels” is a thing everyone wants, if only to save money.
Greens want a systematic reduction in the use of fossil fuels, which is quite different.

Likewise, “Our desire to ensure energy for all must not lead to the undesired effect of a spiral of extreme climate changes due to a catastrophic rise in global temperatures, harsher environments and increased levels of poverty.” is nothing but reasonable.
The Pope stress the importance of energy for all, who is disagreeing?
And who wants “A spiral of extreme climate changes due to a catastrophic rise in global temperatures”? That won’t happen, anyway.

tom s
Reply to  paqyfelyc
June 10, 2018 11:47 am

Um, the climate/weather are extreme and always have been. You-WILL-NEVER-CHANGE that.

Reply to  tom s
June 10, 2018 1:10 pm

Actually, the standard for “extreme” are lowered, and kept lowering. Weather office now issue warning if there is risk of a storm (not the tropical kind, you know, just the regular, late summer afternoon, kind). I expect them to issue a warning for extreme weather just every day by a few years, either because of chance of rain (extreme wetness), or no chance of rain (extreame heat, extreame dryness)

in case of risk of rain AND risk”

Doug Huffman
June 10, 2018 3:52 am

2017 October 31 was the Quincentennial Anniversary of the Protestant Reformation against just such Papist drivel. It is time for the Roman Church to go the way of the Empire, of the Communist faith, and its incarnate Marx.

Hmmm, what does that make George Soros, and what does that make Karl Popper, author of The Open Society and Its Enemies and The Poverty of Historicism?

David Chappell
Reply to  Doug Huffman
June 10, 2018 4:20 am

The problem is that the other Christian god-bothering sects are just as bad, merely less high profile.

Reply to  David Chappell
June 10, 2018 12:32 pm

You have surveyed all of them?

June 10, 2018 3:57 am

As always, the Pope is just all talk. That’s all he’s good at, apparently. Easy when you don’t actually have to do or understand anything. Atleast he acknowledges the importance of energy. I would ask him how come Earth has survived ice ages, asteroid bombardments, mass extinctions and lot more, but it can’t survive fossil fuels and small amount of warming? I would also remind him that since we started using fossil fuels poverty and famine have dropped dramatically. The poor people in third world countries don’t need expensive and unreliable green energy. As Alex Epstein put it: “Fossil fuels don’t make safe environment dangerous. They make dangerous environment safe.” But what would the Pope understand about this? He doesn’t actually live in poverty. Again, he’s just all talk. Anyone can say anything.

Reply to  Fredar
June 10, 2018 11:26 am

The speaker linked above makes a pretty strong case that it’s not just talk.

Greg Woods
June 10, 2018 4:03 am

I am afraid that the Pope has been hitting the sauce again….

Peter Plail
June 10, 2018 4:14 am

Perhaps the pope could ask his boss to get the wind to blow across the UK. We are about 2 weeks in to a lack of the aforesaid blowy stuff, and the UK wind turbines are churning out typically less than one Gw of power (currently 0.9 out of a total capacity of 15 – http://energynumbers.info/gbgrid).

June 10, 2018 4:26 am

I suggest the pope cook over a dung fire for a bit and then get back to us. I mean it’s cheap, it’s reliable and it’s deadly to the folks who do it.

June 10, 2018 4:31 am

The Catholic Church has money, and in theory, is stupendously rich. That said, the vast majority of the wealth is locked into consecrated liturgical equipment, sacred artwork, or distributed throughout fiscally independent dioceses and parishes. The first set is, essentially blasphemous to sell, and only as valuable as the market will bear for a sudden glut in precious metals and jewels. The second only has value for enormously wealthy Christians, who have a much smaller demand than the potential supply, if it can be transported at all. As for the last case, as the Vatican’s budget is of similar size to a medium to large university, I would suggest going to the German Catholic Conference, where the real money is.

Reply to  Patrick
June 10, 2018 7:36 am

Both churches have billions in assets. In addition to those you mentioned, the RCC has billions invested in stocks and bonds, and a vast holding in real estate (branch offices in virtually every neighborhood throughout the Christian world). They cover all the basis in wealth. They even hold a metric tonne of gold. There is no single holding that represents the ‘vast majority’ of their wealth.

Reply to  Jtom
June 10, 2018 12:34 pm

So you are recommending that the church sell it’s church buildings?

Reply to  Jtom
June 11, 2018 12:09 pm

Check out what happened to church properties in Detroit. There are plenty of photos of abandoned churches of all denominations online.

Reply to  Barbara
June 11, 2018 1:10 pm

Some examples.


Church photos and there are more photos online.

Stranded assets?


June 10, 2018 4:32 am

That’s what you get from someone used to miracles.

June 10, 2018 4:36 am

This pope doesn’t know what a real miracle is.

Well, life is a miracle, all by itself.

We’re surrounded by it, all the time. WE live on a planet that – so far – is the ONLY one known to have life living on it. We’ve found other places – Mars and a couple of Jupiter’s moons, for instance – where it might have the potential to exist – but we haven’t found it anywhere else except here on Earth.

Speculating on that, it’s also possible that there is no other hominid species like us anywhere in the Universe. Period. That’s kind of a lonely possibility, isn’t it? We have no corresponding species that evolved separately from us? If we ever find another species even vaguely like us, will we shoot them or shake hands?

Life is a miracle. That has yet to be acknowledged by The Church of Rome.

And this pompous papist wants to dictate the terms of it to the Faithful. Not a good idea, Frankie. That’s what jerks do. It will backfire on you, if it hasn’t already. Do what Jesus said to that merchant: Take all that thou hast and sell it, and give the money to the poor. Or try delivering a baby in the middle of one of your silly speeches. Take care of the sick and dying, instead of standing on a balcony.

Otherwise, please go sit in your chambers and shut up.

End of rant.

Reply to  Sara
June 10, 2018 5:47 am

“Otherwise, please go sit in your chambers”

& don’t forget to pull the flush !

June 10, 2018 4:37 am

a spiral of extreme climate changes due to a catastrophic rise in global temperatures, harsher environments and increased levels of poverty.

Increased levels of poverty cause climate change?
Who knew!?

Rob Dawg
June 10, 2018 4:49 am

Why is his holiness asking energy companies for something only God can provide?

Reply to  Rob Dawg
June 10, 2018 6:00 am

Maybe because energy engineers have succeeded in providing cheap, reliable energy to lift millions out of grinding poverty;
whereas his tooth fairy god has failed & catholic dogma would keep people in grinding poverty.

Shouldn’t everyone have the same ‘carbon footprint’ as the pope.

Reply to  saveenergy
June 10, 2018 12:35 pm

It really is sad how anti-religious bigotry makes idiots of so many of us.

Reply to  MarkW
June 11, 2018 5:29 am

Oh the Pope is Great. I think greater than his god.

I’ll get my coat, Anthony will strangle me for throwing fossil fuel to the fires of Mordor.

Reply to  MarkW
June 11, 2018 6:24 pm

Is it anti-religious bigotry to be disgusted by the Potato’s promotion of pedophile promoters? The public outcry forced the Commie Papa to backtrack:


Reply to  saveenergy
June 11, 2018 5:25 am

I think the key line is here:

Pope Francis has said climate change is a challenge of “epochal proportions” and that the world must convert

Convert to what? Convert to clean fuel, not Christianity!

The Pope, a fallible man, should now pray, because he has no idea how to convert without actually causing havoc.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Hugs
June 11, 2018 7:30 am

A fallible man caught up in the climate scare hype.

Tom Halla
June 10, 2018 5:08 am

Bergoglio has already tried to reconcile Marx and Catholicism in Liberation Theology, so reconciling the greens with civilization should not be that much more difficult./sarc

Ivan Kinsman
June 10, 2018 5:15 am

Agreed and we need a solution fast. The economic costs of AGW make conventional fuels an outmoded solution in the long run: https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2018/6/8/17437104/climate-change-global-warming-models-risks

Tom Halla
Reply to  Ivan Kinsman
June 10, 2018 6:06 am

Ivan, one of the things the green blob likes about renewables is that they are unable to support industrial civilization. There is a irreducible element of nihilism for the greens, which means they will always oppose fission, because it works.

Reply to  Ivan Kinsman
June 10, 2018 12:36 pm

The world is getting better, and a tiny bit more warmth will only accelerate this process.

PS: When you can find a model that accurately hindcasts without having to use 20 parameters, let me know. Until then anyone relying on models to predict the climate is an utter fool.

Reply to  MarkW
June 10, 2018 5:59 pm

And what would you use to predict the climate?

Reply to  simon
June 11, 2018 12:07 pm

Models that essentially ‘predict’ low resolution weather and that are adjusted to short term expectations are wholly inadequate for predicting how a system with known periodic, quasi-periodic and chaotic variability acting over time scales from hours to over 100K years will behave a week into the future, much less decades.

Tom in Florida
June 10, 2018 5:17 am

How does this Pope not believe that his God will prevent humans from destroying his own creation?
And don’t start wiht the “free will” stuff, that is the second biggest lie ever told.

Reply to  Tom in Florida
June 10, 2018 11:54 am

hear, hear!

Reply to  Tom in Florida
June 10, 2018 7:58 pm

You are presenting a theological argument for which there are theological responses. One would be that free will consists of potential actions within pre-determined parameters. In this case, you can have mankind exercising its free will which would normally, under the natural laws we operate, lead to our world’s destruction, but God would intervene and prevent the destruction with mitigating events …miracles, if you will… without impinging on human decisions and actions. Not being Catholic, or the Pope, I wouldn’t know though whether this argument would be an acceptable belief.

June 10, 2018 5:21 am

This doesn’t pass the smell test. Why would oil company executives go to a conference at the Vatican?

A. They drew the short straw.

John P Schneider
Reply to  Gamecock
June 10, 2018 10:43 am

Rome has some beautiful architecture, great museums, and like any big city, lots of night life. Downside is you listen to a blowhard tell you that your company needs to change your product in such a way that you will quickly go bankrupt. Upside: the report back to the company is brief. “The Pope wants us to go out of business.” Not bad, and all expenses paid.

Peta of Newark
June 10, 2018 5:28 am

Sometimes, in my mind’s little eye, I spy an hourglass. and laugh. and cry. and come over just a little bit sad.
(That’s one of the hazards of having had a minor stroke (TIA) ~15 yrs ago. It brings on a thing called Emotional Lability. I suspect Weeping Bill McKibben has it also. Look out for it in stroke victims you know and maybe yourself ultimately. Stay off the carbs, the booze & baccy and do some/any exercise nowandagain and you should be OK. Brought on this morning by having driven past/under Drax. It is actually raining there – no wind to blow away the stuff coming off the cooling towers so the entire Doomsday Machine, and surrounding area, is inside one mahoooosive cloud. Who said Man cannot change the weather/climate?)
Shudda got a weather foto for 2day, sigh

In the lower half of said hourglass is The Ocean. A place where things, all things, go. Drawn in by gravity coz that’s how glasses work.
In the top half is some sand, slowly falling down into the ocean below.
Above the sand is the sky – atmosphere properly – and scrambling about on the surface of the sand are some little ants. (That’s us)
It’s quite obvious that the ants are terribly worried about the sky – they think it’s gonna eat them.
Patently, one of the ants has pointed upwards and shouted “Hey look, there’s an ant-eating squirrel” and all the rest are looking for it. They want to show their concern, their ‘care’ and also appease the alarmist ant and so are going to keep looking till they find it.

But what they really rather should be worried about is the sand beneath them, because at some point, it is all gonna be gone.

And them with it

June 10, 2018 5:28 am

Oil, gas and coal companies already deliver reliable, cheap and relatively clean power. Hydro and nuclear deliver all 3. So what, exactly, is Il Papa talking about? Wine from water? Infinite fish from an empty basket? Perhaps he should sit down, get educated, buy a clue and figure out what is really going on in the world. Right after he drives all the child molesters, rapists and thieves out of the Catholic Church.

June 10, 2018 5:28 am

OK – Pope Canute demands a miracle!
If he really expects a delivery – Good Luck!

June 10, 2018 5:53 am

Who better to ask for a miracle.

Melvyn Dackombe
Reply to  Don
June 10, 2018 11:09 am

Ask who you like because neither will work.

Alan Tomalty
June 10, 2018 5:58 am

Who cares what the leader of a worldwide cult of pedophiles thinks or says?

Reply to  Alan Tomalty
June 10, 2018 12:38 pm

So all Catholics are pedophiles?
I suppose that next you will tell us that all blacks are criminals?

Alan Tomalty
Reply to  MarkW
June 10, 2018 5:40 pm

He is the leader of all the priests who work for him. The parishioners are just consumers. who are buying a lie of eternal life. They are the suckers who provide the funds for the pedophiles to live a comfortable life by delivering sermons to the great unwashed. The Catholic church has resisted attempts to clean out its pedophile priests ever since the scandal broke.

Reply to  MarkW
June 10, 2018 8:04 pm

Of course not. But the Catholic Church hierarchy protected and promoted the pedophiles in its Mafiaesque organization.

Francis’ knee jerk reaction was to side with the bishops who sheltered known child rapists. He had to be dragged kicking and screaming away from protecting the molesting priests’ daddy rabbits. After his tour of Chile, the press got so bad, that the Potato finally gave in and threw his pedophilia-promoting partners under the bus.


Shameful. Disgusting.

Suffer the little children to be my victims.

June 10, 2018 6:15 am

Climate change is a challenge of epochal proportions and epochal spurious correlations.


June 10, 2018 6:28 am

Few discoveries have improved the lives of more people than fossil fuels. The New Testament is all about lifting people up out of poverty and aiding the poor. Fossil fuels do just that.

June 10, 2018 6:45 am

Fusion will need ocean Deuterium extraction, and Helium3 from the Moon. Oil companies should diversify. It was the Penatgon’s Clementine that found Lunar ice and He3 (in Ilmenite) evidence.

June 10, 2018 6:56 am

We need a climate Jesus.

Coach Springer
June 10, 2018 6:57 am

The worldly pope. Not in the job description.

June 10, 2018 7:29 am

What he has been advocating does the opposite. It makes energy way more expensive and way less reliable. It also makes access to energy among the poor less attainable. My apologizes if this has already been pointed out in comments and I didn’t read through them thoroughly enough.

Just Jenn
June 10, 2018 7:39 am

My first thought….”they already do”….

Oil companies already produce cheap, reliable energy….clean is relative. It’s a heck of a lot cleaner than burning wood or the old coal plants. Our air is cleaner, our water cleaner and all of it is due to cheap, reliable energy. So what is the problem? It’s progress. Will we get to fusion? Even cold fusion? My hope is someday–if it can be dreamed…it can be done…maybe not in 5 years, but someday. Humans progressively grow–our societies, our structures, our foundations…in 50 years my hope is that this hype is viewed the same way we look at the ridiculous statements made in the 1900’s that science is all known, no reason to study to reach it further, we know it all. Bollocks.

If they are looking for zero emissions–heck even human beings don’t do that–neither does any other living creature on this planet–we all exhaust emissions from energy burn–be it a breath of CO2 or O2 and H2O or methane from the other end. In that context not one single living creature on this planet has zero emissions–so what exactly IS the standard they are going for? Oh right….for all of us to stop breathing their air…. /sarc

June 10, 2018 8:07 am

It’s quite the hoot to see rabidly anti-religion greenies falling all over themselves every time the first Communist pope, um, pontificates on matters beyond his ken.

June 10, 2018 8:09 am

h/t notrickszone.com

Competitive religion? The Orthodox Church Green Patriarch is trying to outdo the Pope! This has been going on since the Great Schism of 1054AD.
In 1448 Nicolas of Cusa got the two branches to sign an agreement on the nature of man. Apparently on their return to Kiev and Sophia some were imprisoned, the agreement repudiated. This was before Luther and the 100 years war that followed.

Strange that Laudato Si is missing any mention of Filioque, the key idea of that Council, that man’s creative progress is central, not mother earth.

Could it be that the current Vatican tactic is to re-unite the ancient schism? At the cost of human nature?
Is the Vatican trying to make a deal?

Trade deals are one thing, oil and tariffs another – but dealing in human nature sounds exactly like Prince Philip’s various church initiatives. It is well known the British Royals like to appear at Mt Athos – the Orthodox Seat – maybe even have a holiday residence.

Let’s see, the Queen’s Anglican Church, the Vatican, various Evangelist branches and now Orthodox – all re-united under Climate? Prince Philip’s Church of CO2? I knew it had nothing to do with science, is actually anti-science with religious zealotry mixed in, flagellants and all.

Reply to  bonbon
June 10, 2018 8:27 am

This unbelievably crazy climate scheme has hit an iceberg, as all titanics do – China. Confucianism , shown by Leibniz to have a point-by-point relation to Christianity, while itself not a religion, rather a form of natural law. China with its BRI has rediscovered its ancient cultural roots – even the Gang of Four could not erase Confucianism. Progress, poverty reduction, research, transport, space, nuclear energy, all exactly what the transatlantic used to do. After Leibniz’s work, no surprise it is so familiar.

Reply to  bonbon
June 10, 2018 10:05 am

Just a casual hypothesis, but it seems to me that every now and then, religions and governments under threat or in decline require a boost of passionate mysticism, which with its obscurantism, social missionizing and charismatic personalities, can provide a cheap and effective jolt. “Climate change” is the latest mystical movement to attempt such a revival.

There are many examples, but I like to compare the global warming craze to the late medieval “witch” craze. Out of the blue, it seemed that the Church and European monarchies lost their wits as they suddenly discovered an imminent crisis of “witches” who in addition to all sorts of spiritual perils, caused crop failures and shortages, wars, famines and diseases. It was all apparently irrational, but the targets and the process weren’t; the Church and cooperating secular governments weren’t going just after poor and crazy old women, as it’s commonly thought, but focused on propertied widows. Surviving records show what a massive “industry” witch-hunting grew into. It involved the entire Church establishment and all levels of government, universities, clergy, town administrations and armies. At its peak, the witch craze created tens of thousands of essentially non-productive work as promoters, investigators, prosecutors, policemen and jailors. The consensus-unified society found a common purpose and the trials, tortures and burnings provided sadistic entertainment. The craze petered out only after the authorities ran out of propertied “witches” and profitable agriculture and commerce re-emerged. Our image of the witch as the poor old woman living in the woods reflects the last, gasping stage of the process when all the wealthy women and heretics had been caught and only poorer villages and their clergy and administrators could profit from the meagre remains.

I’m sure that you can see many parallels to the current craze of going after the “malignant,” world-destroying demon –human-made carbon dioxide– and the underlying goal; energetic wealth-mining from its evil acolytes, the energy and manufacturing sectors and the general consumer.

Reply to  Avi Barzel
June 10, 2018 10:54 am

Not out of the blue, rather deliberate intent starting with the World Council of Churches, followed by Prince Philip’s WWF Religion and Conservation Network, then Alliance of Religions and Conservation, at the “World Summit on Religion and Conservation,” held at the Windsor Castle, under the personal direction of Prince Philip and Martin Palmer. Palmer assumed the chairmanship of the ARC.
All of this a direct attack on the Judeo-Christian culture in the last 40 years. In the middle ages and up to Salem, the same pattern – an oligarchy and regime-change. Rome, the *** of Babylon is their model, no other regime tolerated. Terrorists are today’s “witches”, after all of a Wahab branch of the House of Saud.
Each religion would be granted a license, ala Emperor Constantine, to practice, with the Emperor claiming fervent adherence to each individually, including today Wahab, then Mithra, the antithesis of what we know.
Another reason for the constitutional separation of church and state.
Pres. Trump was right to dump the Paris religion….

Reply to  bonbon
June 10, 2018 10:59 am

Marx et al are only recent sidelines in this, and the cold war is over.

Reply to  bonbon
June 10, 2018 1:16 pm

But we don’t need to look for unlikely conspiracies. These are nearly impossible to organize, direct, control and keep secret. The medieval witch craze provides a good example of a very human process where economic forces lead to sets of behaviours. Think of it as natural selection, where a variety of interests gravitated towards profitable philosophies and responses without conscious and guided collusion. Paganism still retained favour in rural areas (pagan=peasant) and presented a serious threat to Christianity not just theologically but financially, as assumed witches, warlocks, magicians, heretics and such competed in providing medical and spiritual services to the disadvantage of the Church bureaucracy and its co-dependent secular administrations. Once the witch-hunt became monetised through confiscations shared out among many parties, it took on a life of its own and in time became a systematised collaboration which only seems as a planned conspiracy in retrospect. Similarly, the global warming scam emerged circumstantially and organically as an evolved symbiotic relationship between scientific, state and economic “stake-holders,” creating something far scarier than a guided, secretive conspiracy: a near-universal consensus.

Reply to  Avi Barzel
June 10, 2018 2:28 pm

“Out of the blue” is another word for order oozing out of the mud – spontaneously, unknowably, the Austrian School von Hayek scam from the London School of Economics based on Mandevilles’s Fable of the Bees , or Private vice Public Good. This voodoo economics from Mandeville, of the Hell Fire Club of the British Isles, only “seems” like alchemy, right? Why then is this nuttiness taught at the LSE, with the Chicago Boys, the Thatcher IEA, an armlength list of nuts, parading around the world?
The entire AGW scam is the fulsome flatulence of deliberate, intended, calculated but not realizable dominance. The titanic hit a Chinese iceberg, at full steam. Time to get DiCaprio at work on the sequel.

Reply to  bonbon
June 10, 2018 7:40 pm

I thought that “out of the blue” is just a vernacular idiomatic expression of something appearing unexpectedly and perhaps inexplicably, not a synonym for spontaneous or accidental order generation. But what do I know?

June 10, 2018 8:15 am

In my opinion looking for oil companies to provide a cheap, clean ‘total energy solution’ is extremely whishfull thinking.

Electricity generation is (currently) a low margin-low risk business, oil/gas production is high risk high reward.
In the past i have tried to bring the two together in one project but that failed miserably, the two industries are just to foreign from each other. In everything from corporate culture, risk appetite, value drivers, planning horizons, expected return on invested capital etc etc etc etc.

If a new energy system is indeed required it is probably best to start a new industry from scratch and let the dinosaurs go extinct. Trying to force existing utilities to take big technology risk or force oil companies to run a low margin business, is a bit like trying to get turkeys to vote for Christmas. They just don’t perceive it to be in their best interest. That is at least my experience.

Ps, just for the trolls,
utilities investing in 100+ % government guaranteed clean energy projects is not taking a technology risk!

kent beuchert
June 10, 2018 8:18 am

Pope Francis is providing cast iron prof that the Papacy is really , really dumb. Why this Pope thinks that oil companies are experts at producing low carbon energy remains a mystery

June 10, 2018 8:24 am

The Case for the Good Reactor https://spark.adobe.com/page/1nzbgqE9xtUZF/

Roger Knights
June 10, 2018 8:25 am

Perhaps the pope (at the request of PIK?) is trying to nudge oil companies into investing more in renewables, rather than inventing stuff themselves.

To really make a difference in reducing CO2 emissions he should urge politicians like Macron to stop shutting down nuclear power plants, and to undo shut-downs that have occurred. Such a request might actually tilt the political / technical balance in countries like France, Germany, America, and Japan, and maybe in the third world too (instead of adding coal plants), because it is practical and there wouldn’t be a lot of opposition to it. (Only about 25% of Greenies are adamantly opposed to nuclear power (per my SWAG), and their arguments weaken when analyzed.)

And/or, if he urged developing countries that are planning to build hundreds of coal plants to go nuclear instead, he could have a major effect. Or how about urging governments to invest in research on improving renewables (as Lomborg has advocated)? that again is a line of argument that could actually have an effect on governments. But no, he’s nailed his colors to the ineffectual and impossible agenda of the alarmist wing of warmism (PIK and green advocacy groups).

An incredible missed opportunity—instead he’s just indulged in virtue-signaling.

Reply to  Roger Knights
June 10, 2018 8:47 am

Sensible advice, but if you consider Pope Francis’ classic socialist worldview, his goal is to dismantle the free enterprise system and the liberties that go with it. Cheap energy in any form, even if it’s totally clean, is the enemy of that goal. It leads to an increase in wealth and living standards and decentralization, with demands for freedom from political and religious elites. No matter what energy sources or technologies are advanced, parties interested in the status quo will always concoct some alarming threats. If they can do it with CO2, they can do it with anything.

Mike M
June 10, 2018 8:45 am
Mike M
Reply to  Mike M
June 10, 2018 8:51 am

(I’m confused – why is a valid SSL cert needed for a jpg file?)

June 10, 2018 8:59 am

The Pope has fracking and nuclear to choose from as his best options, however neither are perfect. Perhaps the Catholic church can invest in aiding some of the poorest countries in acquiring their cleanest and cheapest options.

June 10, 2018 9:07 am

Cheap. Reliable. Clean.

Pick any two.

Adrian Ashfield
June 10, 2018 10:22 am

A new energy source is already here. Rossi is optimistic that he will start mass production of his LENR erectors by the end of the year.

I know many here (including Anthony)) are skeptical, but Parkhomov has duplicated Rossi’s results with Ni/H

“Hydrogen-saturated nickel weighing 1.2 g was used as fuel. The completion of the work is associated with a gradual reduction of excess heat release as a result of exhaustion of the energy resource of fuel. The reactor operated continuously for 225 days, generating 4200 MJ of thermal energy in excess of the consumed electricity (2.2 MeV per nickel atom). The maximum power of heat release is 1400 W at 380 W consumption (COP = 3,7), average 575 W at 355 W consumption (COP = 1,6).
Best wishes,
ref: http://e-catworld.com/2018/06/10/alexander-parkhomov-reports-on-just-completed-225-day-test/

This video provides more details

Reply to  Adrian Ashfield
June 10, 2018 11:30 am

“mass production of his LENR erectors by the end of the year.”

I believe the first time he said that was 2011.

From Rossi’s site on Jun 5th[2011]:

Q: Do you have a specific date in October when your reactor will be ready or are you just generally targeting October?

A: Last week of October.


Adrian Ashfield
Reply to  David Anderson
June 10, 2018 12:06 pm

Rossi’s early reactors were not relivable or controllable.
The QX has been run on test for over a year now and can be switched on or off in seconds.

Reply to  Adrian Ashfield
June 10, 2018 12:52 pm

The low energy nuclear reaction, cold fusion, Fleishman-Pons and now Rossi work seem to be all bedevilled by experimental failures which may or may not indicate problems with the theories. I suspect that the issue will not be resolved by researchers and labs, but by advanced machine intelligence programs able to conduct highly reliable virtual experiments at a dizzying fraction of the time of their analogue counterparts…i.e., slow-thinking humans with their quirky lab equipment.

Adrian Ashfield
Reply to  Avi Barzel
June 10, 2018 3:02 pm

The problem with your theory is that while there a dozens of theories on LENR none has been generally accepted. So how would you program/task the AI computer?
He progress to date has been largely by intuition and Edisonian experiments. It is entirely different from conventional fission and fusion.

Reply to  Adrian Ashfield
June 10, 2018 7:33 pm

It’s not a theory, it’s a guess at how experiments will be conducted in the future quickly, cheaply and more efficiently. An AI program would digitally simulate physical experiments under good conditions with fully functioning equipment. Advanced AI would be able to include all important variables in such experiments. This would eliminate human error and equipment failure which plague real-world experiments. Whether theories are accepted or not is not relevant until they have been tested. A good simulation of an experiment, which advanced Ai should be able to conduct will be as nearly as good as a real-world experiment in a lab. I know very little about cold fusion and LENR. They might very well turn out to be sheer bunkum; my point us that AI-conducted simulations of lab experiments can validate or deep-six a theory quickly and with more certainty.

Reply to  Adrian Ashfield
June 11, 2018 12:48 pm

LENR is a bigger scam, except for the money, as climate catastrophism.

tom s
June 10, 2018 11:07 am

With all due respect Pappy….SHUT UP and clean your house you leftist pig! Yep, I said that.

son of mulder
June 10, 2018 11:47 am

There’s loads of clean energy 20 miles down but it’s hell to extract. Maybe he has influence down there.

Reply to  son of mulder
June 10, 2018 12:01 pm

Maybe he has influence down there.

It would appear the reverse is true with this particular Pontiff.

June 10, 2018 11:54 am

……..Thus spake the Pachamama Popey…………..

June 10, 2018 12:18 pm

That’s just what oil companies have been doing for decades.

June 10, 2018 12:23 pm

Does the Vatican run on renewables? I missed the Dateline on that.

Mabcde Sfghi
June 10, 2018 12:46 pm

Seems to me that miracles are in the Pope’s domain.

Carbon Bigfoot
June 10, 2018 2:05 pm

How about he give science all the relics and gold so they can finance the impossible!!

michael hart
June 10, 2018 3:14 pm

If a Pope gathered the CEOs of Apple, Huawei, Samsung etc and told them of their moral duty to replace smartphones with something unspecified, but something which did the same thing as smartphones only better and cheaper, using less materials, what would the reaction be?

It’s incredible, isn’t it, that a meeting such as this should happen at all? I guess his position means that he can meet with anyone he likes, for any reason, as long as they are willing to meet with him. But these CEOs really ought to explain to their shareholders why they spend company time and resources attending on the opinions of such a person, and how it will help their company make more efficient use of the resources invested in it.

June 10, 2018 3:16 pm

Maybe we can get him to turn CO2 into wine!

David Middleton
June 10, 2018 3:24 pm

Just what does the Pope know about climate change other than what he has been told by the activists. Stick to religion and tending your flock.

June 10, 2018 3:26 pm

This Pope is so manipulated by anti-science misanthropic kooks.
He spouts,word salad nostrums as if they are magic spells that will create solutions.
He has the guts to to talk down to an industry that directly employs millions of people in some of the best jobs in the world.
But nitice he is not talking to the oil ministers of the nations tgat actually control and produce the majority of oil.
Nor does he acknowledge the amazing good done by the oil industry.
What a cowardly mess this Pope is.

June 10, 2018 4:01 pm

The Pope should worry about the souls of his flock. If he wants he shoudl get the Catholic Church to fund a few of the lesser known fusion projects such as EMC2. They don’t need much money to find out if they are viable.

Alan D McIntire
June 10, 2018 4:38 pm

‘Is the Pope Catholic?’ used to be a rhetorical question. Now, apparently, the answer is ‘no!’ He’s a ‘progressive’ member of the church of CAGW.

NW Sage
June 10, 2018 4:53 pm

The Law of Supply and Demand tells us that the only way to assure anything is the cheapest it can be is to produce it under lots of competition [aka no monopolies] in a marketplace where all are free to buy/sell and freely own anything [also antithetical to monopolies]. Since the church is monopolistic in its must basic precepts and the Pope, born and raised a Communist, seems fundamentally unable to recognize this Law; the premise for the Pope’s demand is puzzling at best. As Spock would say “illogical”.

Terry Gednalske
June 10, 2018 5:02 pm

Is the Pope communist?

Reply to  Terry Gednalske
June 10, 2018 6:00 pm

Does it matter?

Reply to  Simon
June 11, 2018 12:46 pm

Yes. Having a communist Pope is as bad as having a fascist or pedophike Pope.
All or corrupt and incompstible eith Christian service.

June 10, 2018 5:09 pm

As a good socialist, Pope Francis will soon be running out of other people’s money. Pope Francis knows nothing about science, engineering or energy and so is ideally placed to pontificate on Global Warming and Climate Change.

Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
June 10, 2018 6:01 pm

Actually science is his field of study.

Reply to  Simon
June 11, 2018 12:44 pm

No, the Holy Father has a 2 year degree in food chemistry.
He is mostly educated as liberation thologian under the most polutical, least Catholic parts of the Catholic Church, the Jesuits.

June 10, 2018 5:34 pm

The only command given by Jesus to his followers, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature”. (Mark 16:15) Nothing about meddling in the affairs of the world.

Reply to  Davis
June 10, 2018 6:02 pm

I think you will find Jesus was quite keen on looking after the poor.

Reply to  Simon
June 11, 2018 12:42 pm

And alliwing a group of musanthropic climate extremists to corrupt the Catholic Church helps the poor exactly how?

Reply to  Simon
June 11, 2018 4:19 pm

Looking after the poor and doing the job you are given are quite different. His climate change meddling helps the poor how? Cheap electricity, even produced by natural gas, would provide the power for clean water and waste disposal for the poor for starters.

June 10, 2018 5:34 pm

This guy seems to be a real pope in the same way that Mikey Mann is a real scientist.

June 10, 2018 7:51 pm

So, the Pope favors nuclear energy then.
‘Cause renewables won’t do the job, as determined by Google engineers back in 2014.

June 10, 2018 7:58 pm

I think most commentators, like the Pope have missed the big picture. If we prayed to God to help us feed the growing population in the world. He would do exactly what we have recognized is happening – by allowing the Carbon Dioxide concentration to increase, he provides more food to help the plants grow bigger and faster and thus, more food for mankind. Despite the Pope’s best efforts, God’s plan will not be thwarted. “Man Proposes, God Disposes”.

J Mac
Reply to  RBergPE
June 10, 2018 10:08 pm

“The Lord moves in mysterious ways, his wonders to perform!”
Feeding the poor…. and everyone else.

Reply to  RBergPE
June 11, 2018 12:40 pm

Fascinating insight.

Krudd Gillard of the Commondebt of Australia
June 10, 2018 10:08 pm

Must be desperate to get in with the trendies. Why? Worried about his traditional western supporter base declining to the point of threatening to fall off a cliff?

June 10, 2018 10:15 pm

I think this guy has had way too many bus rides.

June 10, 2018 11:06 pm

Popes should butt out from science. They should have learnt from Giordano Bruno and Galileo

Dudley Horscroft
June 11, 2018 4:42 am

One source of cheap, no-emission energy is nuclear power. It is gratifying that the Pope has called for greater use of nuclear power, and one hopes that the Roman Catholic Church will now do its level best to support all new nuclear installations.

One problem is that almost all buses are petrol or diesel powered. Electric buses are possible, but so far they are hardly economical. Much better is to replace diesel buses with trolleybuses on light demand routes, and by trams on route with high patronage. All suburban railways should be electrically powered, as should railways with high loads. Diesel power could be relegated to lightly loaded rotes.

As nuclear power stations are most efficient with near constant demand, they are very suitable for providing power to electric cars, and small vans overnight. In this way, most internal transport within cities can be nuclearly powered, and with a normal life of cars of 10 to 15 years, within 15 years most petrol and diesel vehicles will have vanished from out cities.

It does not matter that the whole climate change/global warming scam is based on faulty science and bad reasoning; at least the above program will clean the air in our cities which is better than anything one can do to mitigate global warming.

June 11, 2018 5:35 am

I am ready and willing to follow you your esteemed Papalness. But would you mind leading by example first? Maybe by travelling back to Argentina under sail.

June 11, 2018 6:03 am

The lure of seemingly safe (unverifiable) topics like climate change is strong. The dark side comes when it is used as a deflection from hard issues like sex crime investigations.

June 11, 2018 6:18 am

With great respect to my leader, would he please butt out of things he knows nothing about and stop listening to fanatics like Schellnhuber? His predecessors at least had the wit to avoid entanglement in highly controversial matters which at the very best could only be described as “tangential” to his job description of saving souls and encouraging his flock along the road to the eternal Promised Land.

It also strikes me as somewhat lacking in faith to imagine that God made such a hash of creating this planet that his noblest creation could destroy it as easily as the eco-warriors would have us believe.

I appreciate I am probably in a minority on here but I would have thought that anyone with any sort of faith in a powerful deity would be highly sceptical of the idea that mankind is capable of destroying the earth by allowing an increase of an essential trace gas from 0.03% of the atmosphere to 0.04%! And that’s before we even start in the science!

At least he is proving that his infallibility is strictly limited to matters of faith and morals!

June 11, 2018 6:20 am

The Red Pope. Maybe they could power all their wind machines with his hot air.

June 11, 2018 6:34 am

Who is the PR consulting firm advising this and what is the strategy?

Pope Accepts Resignation of Chilean Bishop in Abuse Scandal
Bishop Barros is accused of failing to report sex abuse by another priest

June 11, 2018 8:50 am

It’s a shame that the Pope can’t see the pure evil driving what masquerades as benevolence.

June 11, 2018 12:53 pm

This current news item is for the Pope…..


Word from Caracas is that locals have taken to scouring city streets for plastic garbage bags full of rubbish and, when they find them, emptying the contents so that they can resell the bags.

This sounds absurd, but it is believable in a country where extreme poverty has spread like the plague. Human capital is fleeing. Oil production is plummeting, and the state-owned oil company is in default. The garbage bag, imported with dollars, is a thing of value.

If anything was more predictable than the mess created by Hugo Chávez’s Marxist Bolivarian Revolution, it is the pathetic effort by socialists to deny responsibility. The Socialist Party of Great Britain tweeted recently that Venezuela’s problem is that socialism has yet to be tried. It blamed the crisis on “a profit-driven capitalist economy under leftist state-control.” Even more preposterous is the claim by some academics that economic liberalism in the 1980s spawned the socialism that has destroyed the country.

Steven Zell
June 11, 2018 2:56 pm

Benedict XVI (Joseph Ratzinger) should have never abandoned the papacy, but should have served for life, in order to give the Catholic Church more time to choose a more worthy successor. As an Argentinian socialist, Pope Francis seems hell-bent on undoing all the work done by the great Pope John Paul II, who experienced all the ravages of two forms of socialism (Nazism and Communism) during his youth in Poland, and helped bring down the Iron Curtain during the 1980’s.

If Pope Francis believes that modern society needs “an immense supply of energy” (which is scientifically true), then fossil fuels must constitute the lion’s share, which have the highest energy density of all currently available technology except nuclear fission.

Contrary to Pope Francis’ misconceptions, fossil fuels can be made “clean”–natural gas produces very little pollution; in most Western countries, Diesel fuel is refined down to less than 15 ppm sulfur before it can be burned, with the sulfur captured as elemental sulfur or battery acid; and even coal-fired power plants can be fitted with baghouses to absorb ash and scrubbers to reduce sulfur oxide emissions.

If Pope Francis is worried about poverty, he should study how the use of fossil fuels has enabled machines to perform back-breaking labor formerly performed by people and animals, and enabled farmers to produce much more food per acre than subsistence farming, lifting millions of people out of poverty. He should then compare that to the number of people forced into poverty by climate change, which is close to zero.

Power Engineer
June 11, 2018 6:34 pm

Perhaps the Catholic could subsidize the generation of all electricity by rooftop solar at a premium of 30 cents/kWh. It would only cost $1Trillion per year. Then we cold have clean, cheap energy.

Oh! So the Church has better places to spend its money? That’s exactly the point. So do we all.

Hocus Locus
June 12, 2018 1:07 pm

My own faith,

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