Open Thread & Poll – discuss the recent changes to WUWT

In the last two weeks, WUWT changed the cloud service it was hosted on, and made significant changes to the way comments are handled using the new WpDiscuz commenting system, while allowed editing, comment up/down voting and many other features.

I also made a big change to the Tips and Notes page, so that it doesn’t get bogged down and need to be purged periodically..

The process of change has not been without hiccups. But, I believe they are mostly solved now.

Just a couple of caveats before the discussion.

  1. I can’t move the posiion of the main comment form, currently at the top of comments. The software was designed that way and people asking on the WpDiscuz support forum have also made the same request.
  2. I can’t current make the text in nested comments the same size as the main comments. Perhaps in the future with some CSS tweaking it can be done. I’m not a CSS expert.  See update below.

Comments suggestions, what ifs and polite complaints are welcome.

 

UPDATE: Based on feedback in this thread, I’ve disabled the “read more” comment button. Comments will load in full now.

UPDATE 2: In case you don’t know, inline image embedding works, but ONLY if you use https, not http in the URL.

UPDATE3: The differing text size between top level and threaded comments has been fixed. My thanks to Eric Worrall

UPDATE4: I added a plugin that provides a comments search next to the very top comment box. Helpful on large threads.

6/11 10AM – I had to remove it, as it was being exploited and slowed the entire system down.

UPDATE5: 04/11/18 I added another plugin, this one designed to handle YouTube and image embedding, as well as allow for direct uploads of images, audio, and video files in comments using the new icons that now appear in the comment box.

UPDATE6 BY WILLIS: I’m overjoyed to announce that Anthony has fixed the problem with the formatting on all of the previous posts. They display correctly now, so I’m able to recommend WUWT once again without reservation. Please ignore my comment below, the issue has totally gone away. My thanks to Anthony for his usual dedication to detail and his unwavering support of the blog. Well done, my friend.

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276 thoughts on “Open Thread & Poll – discuss the recent changes to WUWT

  1. I like it (a lot). The ability to edit comments is great (I don’t always get it right the first go-round!)

    • Yes. The ability to edit comments is great.
      But no-one will know I think that as this comment will be in micro-text (as a reply) and thus ignored.

      And why do I have to delete text from a blank form in order to write a comment?

      • The replies are smaller but not so small that they are hard to read. I think the benefit is that we seem to be getting an extra layer of threaded comments.

        I don’t have to delete text from the blank form. It disappears when I start typing. Maybe it’s your browser.

        Boy do I ever like the editing feature! I find so many errors after I hit ‘Post’.

        The other thing I like is ‘read more’. It makes it much easier to follow a thread. Some folks, me included, write very long comments that disrupt the visual flow. In that light, if/when graphics come back it would be nice if they were restricted in size for the same reason.

        The downside of ‘read more’ is that it kills links and block quotes. It makes it hard to read the text that does appear unless you click on ‘read more’.

        • I find the text small and the font used is also a bit weedy and faint. I see the read more aspect has been removed, thank goodness.

          I am sure we will get used to it and understand why the changes were made

          Tonyb

          • You can change the fonts your browser uses. You can set your own fonts and you can make those take precedence over what the web site specifies.

            Usually I provide a link but there are so many different sets of instructions for different versions of different browsers … Google is your friend.

          • Thanks for the comments but that would mean I had to change the font and size every time I visit here, whereas on every other web site I am perfectly happy with what is served up.

            As I say, I am sure I will get used to it but I don’t think the site has the presence and sheer boldness it had before, through the use of the current default font and text.

            tonyb

      • I’ve wondered, does your post show up as soon as you post it, or does it wait until the edit feature times out?

  2. Anthony,

    Thanks for all your work on this. My comment would be to not have to click on read more in order to see the complete reply to a post. It’s easier and less annoying if it’s all there and we can just keep on scrolling.

    pbh

  3. Before:
    Best climate skeptic website in the world.

    After:
    Best climate skeptic website in the world.

    My only suggestion is to change the name of the website to
    Watt Up With That,
    which I believe will attract
    a more diverse audience.

    Am I allowed to say that?

    • Watt Up Wi Dat for a more urban edge.

      Watt The Hell’s Up With Your Dinialism for a more alarmist edge.

      Watt’s In It For Me for a more grant-seekery edge.

      Watt Am I Doing Here for a more existential edge.

      Watt Is My Gender for a more trans-sexual edge.

      … and so many other possibilities.

    • Richard Greene : Shame on you “ROBIN HOOD” !!!!!!!!!!
      “Watt Up With That,”
      YOU HAVE JUST DISPOSSESSED THE MAN OF HIS Website !
      IT IS CALLED ” Watts ” FOR A GOOD REASON.
      ( and NO……it’s not named after the “steam engine” man ! )

      • Trevor:
        You desperately need the edit feature
        to delete your bad jokes (all of them).
        Or stop drinking before posting.
        .
        I refuse to use the edit feature —
        editing is for weenies,
        not real men.
        .
        My own jokes are high quality …
        as long as I first tell people
        “I’m going to tell a joke”,
        and then conclude with:
        “I just told a joke”.
        .
        Anyone who equates “Richard Greene”
        with Robin Hood must be old,
        and possibly British.
        Thank you for not taking life
        too seriously.

  4. Really like the new look. Up or down voting is a plus. No more annoying Amazon lucky spinning wheel pop up.

  5. Im happy. but I really want to know more about the attacks that led to the move. just idle curiosity

  6. I didn’t realize that you could edit. Time Stamp next to the name would be nice. And the “Read More” link isn’t a user friendly feature.

    I haven’t tried to post an image or link yet, I assume I can do both if I work at figuring out how it’s done.

    I”m going to click “Post Comment” now and look for the edit button.

    Oh! How nice. Let’s try an image

    http://oi68.tinypic.com/wck4lc.jpg

    and a link:

    https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v3/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt

    Maybe HTML will work for an image:

    didn’t work – so I (we) need to know how to post images (-:

  7. I think it’s just fine. Agree with the comment about would rather not need to click to see an entire longer comment but that’s no biggie.

  8. It is all good.
    Just need to figure out the work-arounds.
    Anything that slows down my commenting might be considered a feature 🙂

  9. It might be useful to have a second category of ‘Recent Posts’ for longer term items that are important/serious but which don’t get enough hits to keep near the top of the page? Perhaps a link to ‘Important major stories’ or similar?

  10. Hello Anthony. Works for me, no complaints. I like the fact you can edit a comment to correct mistakes and typos.

  11. The biggest irritation for me is the location of the name of the poster. Is it above the comment or below? It is not obvious. I’m sure I will start remembering after a while, but it seems certain to confuse many less-regular visitors and lead to comments being directed at the wrong person. Internet discussions being what they are, the resultant misunderstandings seem likely to lead to more unnecessary disagreements and arguments.

    More trivially, I’ve had continuing non-appearance of comments after they have been successfully submitted: they only appear when I come back later. Sometimes hours later. This seems to happen on different machines, both using Windows, but using both Chrome and Firefox browsers. The problem may have settled down now, but I can’t say for sure because I’ve stopped visiting as often to see if they posted successfully.

    • It would be nice to place the grey line above the name but I don’t think Anthony has control of that.

  12. I like it. I am still trying to figure out the function buttons below the comment box. Much more feature rich for certain. Thanks for doing what you do Anthony.

  13. First, thanks for the many efforts to improve.

    Second, to nitpick (and I know you said you can’t change some things, but no nitpicking is complete without everything included, so don’t think I ignored what was said in that regard):

    (1) I still cannot get an image from my drop box to post and embed — the URL prefix is automatically https– I’ve tried using the whole extension of a drop box link — I tried cutting off the end so that only .jpg would be there — I’ve tried the trick where you replace the end of the extension with raw=1 — I’ve tried using image tags with all the above variations — and still the image just won’t post and embed.

    (2) The blockquote text is a wimpy size — I mean, what’s the point of creating that nice color rectangle to highlight text, when the text size itself within the rectangle has been DIMINISHED?

    (3) Yeah, the order-of-posting thing that you cannot do anything about.

    (4) Yeah, the font size of embedded comments thing that you cannot do anything about.

    (5) Loving the edit feature, where I can post a draft, see the screw ups IN the draft AFTER actually posting it, and then being able to kick myself to make it right. Looks like there’s a limit of three tries, before you can’t edit anymore — is that correct?

    Okay, that’s it for now.

    • Nevermind, you tried that https item. Comment redacted 😉

      Edit, However you might try opening the image in a browser so it is full screen and try that link or right click and open image in new tab?

      • Here’s the reason: A lot of these “images” are not actually images – i.e., they are really links to web pages, not a specific file. Try whatever your browser has for “open link in new window/tab” on Robert’s “comment image” above. You end up on a web page that drags in a whole bunch of other things, not just a JPEG file. Which WordPress (rightly) rejects – that is a very big security hole.

      • Your url *looks* to be OK, but in practice it is specifying a whole DropBox page. that sort of thing will never display. You need a clean url straight to the .jpg itself, and not a web page generated by the hosting website. I looked around that page but I did not find any way to grab the clean .jpg url. Usually there is a “share” button or something similar for this purpose, but I did not see one.

        Anybody handy with DropBox want to jump in?

        I used to use TinyPic but that one dropped dead for a while, although it seems OK now. But others are having trouble with it.

        I currently use PostImage, and it is working well. Postimage apparently had some hosting problems a while back, and after that the urls changed. All my saved links to my images were broken, but with a little thought and url editing they were recoverable.
        PostImage now seems to be working fine, so no problem.
        If you use PostImage, upload your graph, then hit the “share” button, and copy the direct url to the .jpg

        • Dropbox hides all that. only way is to copy image somewhere else and post a link to that..

        • TonyL – June 9, 2018 7:05 pm

          I looked around that page but I did not find any way to grab the clean .jpg url.

          Anybody handy with DropBox want to jump in?

          Tony, and others, ….. I don’t know about DropBoxes, ….. but ….

          Sometimes, and I say sometimes, iffen you place your “cursor” on the “image” that is imbedded in/on the per se DropBox “site” and the cursor “arrow” turns to a “pointing finger”, ….. then “click-it” and the image will upload and then you can copy its “url” (direct link).

          Recent changes to Google “Images” has made it tuff to copy “image links” for posting on other sites.

      • Yep, can’t load that as it has additional baggage from drop box. It is not an image there, just a file you use their service to view. Try uploading the item to an image hosting service and it will work. I don’t use many, but Imgur works for me. Good Luck.

  14. Hi, I need help! Does anyone know where to get data on variations in the earths received gravitational field due to the orbits of all the planets our moon and sun? It seems to me possible that an increase in received gravity could drive an increase in the thermohaline circulation and low cloud formation due to this affect – http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~thompson/161/tidalbulge.gif. ie an increase in the vector of the force of gravity from the poles to the earths center. This could make no sense as my knowledge of physics is from a LONG time ago! Any help/ comment appreciated

  15. Anthony(!), i recall once that you mentioned that you were going to find a way to keep relatively important posts at the top of the page for a longer time. Any chance that you might still do that? It’s a shame that some of these technical posts that your contributors work so diligently on disappear so quickly. (hate to see such wonderful posts getting the same billing as a post about bill nye’s ties)…

  16. I voted “It’s mostly OK, some niggles remain.”
    How many of the “niggles” are inherent to the new system or to where I am on the learning curve of its ins and outs, I don’t know.
    It’s a big improvement.
    A “Help” or “What’s New” with would be good. (At least some tips such as “click on the “Read more” if it appears at the end of a comment.)

    • How many people can’t deduce that “Read more” is meant to be clicked on?

      I expect there will be big changes to my Guide (and on the Test page ) once things settle down. See the nav bars. Click on the buttons. 🙂

      • 😎 I meant to click on “Read more” to see the proper formatting for that comment.
        (Of course since UPDATE 1 says “Read more” has been disabled, not a problem anymore.)

  17. Two little issues: (1) the way sub-comments get smaller font, and (2) how the information above and below a comment takes up too much space overall, using too big font too.

    • Yes, just a submission form. The old way they all went on the page, and as they accumulated, the page loaded slower and slower, and for some never finished. This new submission form solves that.

      • But it’s pleasant to read what others have posted, especially since some of them call for a response containing links to further information. If there were a way for the system to somehow purge all three-months-old material at the start of each month, the need to manually purge would no longer exist, nor would long loading times. But I suppose this new “skin” doesn’t allow such micro-level control.

  18. “I can’t move the posiion of the main comment form”
    I think it has to be at the top, because at the bottom thee is only “Load more comments”. And if you have to load them all before adding, that would be a pain.

  19. my old eyes have issues reading replies to comments and cannot find a way to add avatar/profile img that the plugin instructions say is possible. this however may be an admin setting, don’t know.
    for all its quirks I think I still prefer disqus due to SSO and history availability.

  20. Pluses:

    1. Ability to edit comments. (I’d like it even better if it had a countdown timer, if the timer reset with each edit, if editing weren’t disabled for comments that go into moderation or trigger the spam filter, and if the editor wouldn’t make my nbsp characters invisible.)

    2. The worst of the initial problems are fixed. Links are no longer invisible. Pictures can be posted (though with https URLs only).

    3. The yellow-background not-yet-read thing. I’m not sure, but I think I kinda like it.
     

    Minuses:

    1. The comment permalink URLs in old articles are all broken.
    For example, this was the URL of a comment which I made last summer about the benefits of elevated CO2 for CAM plants (like pineapple):
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/08/17/study-global-warming-will-cut-crop-yields-assuming-no-adaption/#comment-2584113
    That link no longer works.
    The equivalent “wordpress dot com” URL still works:
    https://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2017/08/17/study-global-warming-will-cut-crop-yields-assuming-no-adaption/#comment-2584113
    But for the imported copy of the article, in the new system, the comment has a changed URL, which breaks all the old links to it. Here’s the new URL:
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/08/study-global-warming-will-cut-crop-yields-assuming-no-adaption/#comment-2132389

    2. In old / imported articles, the embedded images don’t show up if they used http instead of https URLs.

    3. “Read more” and “Load more comments” (probably helpful for mobile device users, but I use a big, fat desktop computer). They break “ctrl-F” searches.

    4. YouTube, Vimeo & Twitter links don’t produce embedded videos/tweets.

    5. “oldest first” default (which the”Load more comments” feature makes especially annoying, for heavily-commented articles).

    6. There’s something strange about the web pages — the Chrome spinning “busy” indicator keeps spinning on them.

    7. Comments that go to the spam bucket just disappear without a trace, and no warning to the user. (But the old system had this problem, too.)

    8. Error reporting is baaaad.

    9. Doesn’t update the URL in the address bar, when you post a comment.

    10. The one you mentioned: the tiny font for indented replies.
     

    Things to get used to:

    1. The 🔗 button to get the comment’s permalink (instead of the date/time linking to the permalink).

    2. Gotta use https to get images to show up.

    3. Blockquote just indents, no other format change.

    4. Comment entry at the top.

    5. As others have noted, the horizontal line is in the wrong place. It should be between comments, not between the commenter’s name and his comment. That is, it should be above his name, not below it.
     

    Meh:

    1. +/-

    • The list of “minuses” is shrinking…

      2. I wrote “articles” when I meant “comments.”

      3. is fixed, thank you!

      4. is partially fixed — some folks have managed to get youtube vids to embed (though sometimes it doesn’t work — dunno why)

      5. is okay, now that “load more comments” is thankfully gone.

      6. Maybe fixed — the spinning/busy thing seems to not be happening, now.

      10. Tiny font for indented replies is fixed (except for italics).

  21. On the old site I could turn my phone sideways and the text was delicious and big and easy on my old worn out eyes. for a site like this font is everything. Other than that everything is awesome great job hard work I know

  22. I love the new format.
    Intuitive, permits editing, navigable, simpler direct reply functions.
    Thank you for taking the trouble to make the change.

  23. I don’t like the “read more…” truncation and link. It changes the formatting, I lose my reading point, and I’d prefer to see the whole comment at once all the time for all comments.

  24. Anthony ==> Overall a vast improvement. I used CA Assistant with its clickable HTML tags to ease the use of HTML in comments — but doesn’t work in the new version (not your fault — I may be able to re-write the code).

    The Important Thing is whether it is better for you overall or not. Let us know.

      • Those two are sort of unrelated.

        IIRC, CA Assistant was written for ClimateAudit. That it worked at all here is minor miracle.

        I’ve used ItsAllText, that may be going away. Bummer.

        A few other notes in general:

        My Guide to WUWT isn’t updating, it will take a while to get it going with the Pressable site. I’m also fighting MySQL over some stuff. I’ll likely rebuild my data base from scratch, as the postID numbers have changed, and I used them as my index.

        The Test page here (see top Nav bar) is in dreadful shape – mea culpa. I haven’t had time to keep it cleaned up in months. I’ll make some.

        • Ric,
          Thanks for what you do.
          Your guide has helped people better communicate what they have to say.

      • Gunga ==> I’ll have to investigate the rules for HTML in comments on the new platform….really liked CA Assist.

  25. The reply to a comment type font can be adjusted if someone who is familiar with the WordPress configuration can get into the CSS sheet(s). the problem, as with all content management systems, is that several CSS sheets will be loaded before the page is finally rendered. I’m not familiar with WordPress.

    I like most of what I see but I’m not sure about the (Up)(Like)(+)/(Down)(Dislike)(-) feature. I don’t know what it means to others or what it contributes. For example I recently posted a damaged electronic organ on a neighbourhood social media page free to an interested hobbyist. No replies to it, but two persons “liked” it! What on earth did that mean?

    The capability to edit comments is a blessing to those of us with “thick” fingers, dyslexia, and awful spelling/grammar correctors.

    [On the other hand, the mods do point out that an awefilled grammar detector is very awesome and awe-inspiring. .mod]

    • The world of internet commenting is often perverse.

      For instance, there are many, many videos on Youtube with low viewer numbers and even fewer comments and votes. But amongst those with almost zero comments and votes, I notice that they tend to have either 0 down votes, or 2 down votes. Notwithstanding that the topics are often ones where it is difficult to imagine any ‘average’ commenter from ten random viewers taking the trouble to down-vote the video, it frequently turns out to be 2 down-votes. Not 1 or 3. Often while the number of up-votes is trending up towards 100 (by which time you might reasonably expect to get at least some down-votes on any video) on a less-infrequently-viewed video, the down-votes, if any, still often seem stuck at 2. Not 1 or 3, or more. Whatever it reflects under these circumstances, I don’t believe it reflects a true sampling of the opinions of human viewers. It makes me suspect there are only two bots that have successfully ‘examined’ and successfully commented on the bulk of Youtube videos.

  26. The Read-More feature is handy, but too often, there’s only a half-paragraph after it. Where it’s needed is in long diatribes. I don’t see a way to make it commenter-controlled; those people wouldn’t use it, most likely.

  27. In a perfect world, nobody would need the “edit” button, cus they took the extra minute or two to read what they wrote.
    It is after all a marathon, not a sprint.
    Take it from someone that can barely put a sentence together.

    • i would find that even proofing before submitting a comment was not enough to make them completely error free. It’s only when you hit submit and then read it after posting that you notice that one or two mistakes that got by you. (the edit feature solves that problem)…

      • Right. A book on copy-editing advised readers that merely changing the font and/or size of text will make it easier to spot errors.

  28. I am mostly an intermittent lurker here, so my take shouldn’t carry much weight.
    But thanks to a recent period of, um, the absence of income, I’ve been on a much slower internet connection. And your site seems to load much faster now than it did before. Thanks!
    (The text size issue isn’t a concern here, as my browser allows me to adjust text size as I see fit.)

  29. I like it.
    For me, a Solid WIN.
    I was more than a bit skeptical at first, but the tweaking and tuning has made a huge difference.

    A lot of people are having trouble getting embedded images and YouTube videos to display.
    Maybe it is because we are not familiar with the details.
    Maybe there are bugs in the embed code.
    We will have to see how it all works out. Then action can be taken if needed.

    My compliments to the chef.

      • We have seen several examples of people using what seems correct https urls and still no joy. Anthony pointed that out right on day one so we started giving it a try. Looks like things need to shake out a bit.
        Stay tuned.

  30. The changes look good, BUT
    The link on the email notice of an article title are broken, they left out the “dot” in “wattsupwiththat.com”
    the “Read more of this post” is correct.

  31. I hate the voting of the comments. It is very unfriendly to people with unpopular opinions and works as a twisted reward system to echo-chamber type of short comments.

    It also provides a measure of success for trolls, to see how many negative votes they can get.

    [Please, don’t vote this comment] ☺

  32. Anthony, I haven’t really taken time to dig into it, but it seems that comments that were initially in close proximity are getting spread out. As an example, in the last post by David Middleton on OA, he had initially responded to me and his comment was close below. It now is like a page lower down .

  33. I like it a lot, except for one huge thing. In the old system, paragraphs had a space between them. Under the new system, every old post has lost that space. And since no one indents paragraphs any more, this has turned every old post into jammed up, hard-to-read junk. Here’s an example. Scroll down to the middle and you’ll see how ugly it is.

    Although I hate to do it, I have stopped recommending posts on WUWT because they are so difficult to read.

    HELP! This is a deal-breaker, it’s turned thousands of carefully-formatted posts into rubbish.

    Other than that, I think the new format is superb.

    w.

  34. Not that it’s related to the comment section changes but….Wattsupwith spellcheck and heliosphere??? Why is heliosphere flagged as an incorrect spelling by PCs? Does Microsoft/IBM prefer that the word heliosphere not exist? Izzit some kind of spellcheck conspiracy? I have to “add to dictionary” every new or different device I use. It’s becoming a routine set-up step. lol.

  35. Being able to ‘+’ a comment is a good thing, I guess.

    Being able to ‘-‘ a comment is a bad thing, I’m pretty sure.

    Take YouTube for example, people vote thumbs up. I’m not sure how useful that is, but if it makes them feel good… And then there are always a few that vote thumbs down, and everybody else wonders what is wrong with those people, why did they do that?

    If you want to have plus and minus, you should also keep track of how each user votes, how many plusses and minuses he/she/it gives. I’m sure there are positive people and negative people.

  36. Here’s one. Trump leaves the G7 meeting early in order to skip the climate change part.

    MAGA Liberals Unite! You have nothing to lose but the wrong side of history.

    P.S.: Wow! Votes! Edits! Way to go, Terrible Tony!

  37. I like the “notify of new replies to this comment” bell-shaped button on the Reply form.

    I’d like a “contact Moderators” button, so users could report double-posts or the really heinous or violence-advocating comments that sometimes slip through. In the past I’ve had to report these by email to Anthony after they were up for over a day. There are likely other reasons for alerting the moderators too, which I’ll think of 5 minutes after hitting Post Comment.

    I’d like to see the Archives & Search Categories & Rick Werme’s Guide buttons moved up from way down to right under the Search box near the top. These would be much friendlier to visiting newbies and journalists, and forestall many ignorant comments by warmists who haven’t searched the site for threads on the topic they’re commenting on.

    I don’t see the yellow background for new comments, which I think would be a wonderful feature. (I have the Mac mini’s 11.1 version of Safari.)

        • My embed above, all I did was paste the url from Youtube, as per usual.
          Just like old times……..????

          • FWIW, J Mac, when I hit “post comment” it came up as an url, then I hit refresh and the video came up. (my video not yours)
            Don’t know if it was some kinda delay or if the refresh worked…… aren’t f’n computers fun !!

          • u.k.(us),
            Who said “Ya can’t teach old dogs new tricks!” never had to live through the birth of the computer age!

            It’s been a long road from using the ‘steno pool’, to Wang word processors, to little Apple IIc cube computers with 5.5 inch floppy (truly ‘floppy’) drives. Then 286/386/486 chipped contraptions with ‘turbo’ boost, and the rudimentary start of the DARPA net that grew into the still expanding internet of today…. Whew! We were there, using it!

            Learning Basic, Fortran, CNC, and pieces of other programming, Excel spreadsheets, CAD/Stress analyses programs, manufacturing planning, fixtures/tooling/detail/assembly inventory and queuing control, ‘what if’ analyses, design for manufacturing and assembly, defect trend analyses and process optimization/QC, ….. all kinds of stuff, and it never ends!

            WUWT continues the trend as yet another learning resource. God Bless Anthony Watts and all of the great folks that post such interesting articles and enlightening comments here!

            After all that, a pesky ‘insert image/video’ glitch is truly small potatoes!

          • apparently the bbs software recognizes youtube as a youtube url but it doesn’t recognize youtu.be as a youtube vid url.

  38. Looks like a big bunch of thought and effort went into this final product. There’s a lot of information.

    Can it be improved? If you install a water cooler and a cup dispenser.

    • There seems to be something seriously wrong with TinyPic.
      We have several examples of the form:

      htpps://oi67.tinypic.com/XYZZY.jpg

      and *none* of them load.
      If you grab the url and load it in another browser window, that fails too,

      [ edited to htpp: http://oi67.tinypic.com/XYZZY.jpg .mod]

      [both wrong. https not htpps – Tinypic doesn’t support https – Anthony]

      • *groan*
        People are taking TinyPic http: urls and editing them to make https: urls?????
        No wonder they fail.

        • They didn’t work as is, so what do you suggest trying? Groan all you want, apparently I’m going to have to find a image hosting site that provides the https format, and I’m not happy about that.

          Maybe someone has a list of those sites that will post images here.

          • Your pictures from Facebook will work. Just put &xxx=foo.jpg at the end, as suggested in tips & notes

  39. Thanks for the improvements, warnings, and adjustments.
    To A. W. and all others that helped.

    I never expected all issues to be solved in one shot.
    Job well done, I think.

  40. I tend to be suspicious of change. but in this case, I have only pros:
    1) Editing is so wonderful! When this started, comments went through moderators – and I couldn’t see what I had goofed up. That seems to be fixed.
    2) Rating of comments. I love it.
    3) Hiding long comments. If I want more, I can open it. Otherwise, I can quickly scan for comments of interest to me.
    Good job!

      • That is *not* the incantation to embed a video.
        It is a demonic spell to summon the *Devil* himself.

    • *groan*…… no wonder they fail!
      A little humble pie might help… and constructive feedback, perhaps?

      u.k.(us) and I have been trading comments on this topic (above). No definitive solution but a couple of things that work, after a fashion.

  41. I like the new style and function. I would like better if:
    .
    1. Author name font size at least same as comment. No squint.
    .
    2. Author name not show up in subscription. Should.
    .
    .
    Sandy,
    Minister of Future

  42. Why do I have to re-insert my name and email every time I post a comment? PITA

    • CB,
      Try clearing your browser cache (cookies, etc, et.al.), restart, post a new comment with your name/email, wait a bit, and see if it corrects the problem….

  43. Hmmn. “Join the Discussion” block is now at the top of the page. Could be useful.

    A recommendation, please. Add a sequential “comment number” (Reply_ID_nbr) for each reply in each thread. It will make references explicit when a person is commenting about an earlier reply, even if the two/three/four/six/sixteen replies and feedbacks are separated by days, minutes, or hours. Thus, these words are 117. Referenced later as 117.

  44. I purchased and added a plugin that allows users to search comments, see it at the top with the primary post a comment box.

    • Anthony
      Nice job on the font size for threaded comments.
      Is italic still in the old font size?
      We can check bold.

      Stupid computers!

    • Anthony Watts

      I purchased and added a plugin that allows users to search comments, see it at the top with the primary post a comment box.

      What was the price of the plug-in? Do you need a donation to cover it?

  45. Posting this at the top level, too, about the “problem” with image embedding – the reference is to Robert Kernodle’s comment at 5:23 PM on June 9.

    Here’s the reason: A lot of these “images” are not actually images – i.e., they are really links to web pages, not a specific file. Try whatever your browser has for “open link in new window/tab” on Robert’s “comment image” above. You end up on a DropBox web page that drags in a whole bunch of other things, not just a JPEG file. Which WordPress (rightly) rejects – that is a very big security hole.

    EDIT: Just tried a couple of things that sometimes work around this issue – no joy. Sigh… I really don’t see a solution for this, other than saving the image file yourself, then copying it somewhere that is a secured site AND actually saves it as just a file.

  46. I do not post much, so can’t really comment much on this part, aside from dropping that ‘read more’ button, plus 1 on that, I like reading the comments. I think the overall look and feel of the site has improved. I appears there are more articles on the first page, could be me, but I like that.

    This is my goto site for all things climate and then some. Clearly the reason your site is number one. Your site earned a spot on my cell phones home screen. I also subscribe to the RSS feed on my cell phone and desktop. I quite often share articles. The best part is a few of my friends have actually started to question the status quo thanks to this site. Keep up the good work, many thanks or as they say here maraming salamat po.

  47. Anthony

    Probably not the right time to ask for this, but for a long time I have been missing an app for my iPhone.

    But thanks for the option to correct; I always make typhos and omissions, have done since the wonderful experience of writing on an IBM typewriter with correction backspace based on sticky tape.

    Any chance?

    • Just tried to vote down myself, wasn’t allowed, to scared to try it on Nick S below; don’t want to start a major thread. But I tested the editing and it works, thank you!

      But will we be allowed to vote down Nick in the future, or does this function not work?

  48. Trying to post an image again:

    Hope it doesn’t screw things up, I copied some html from the source page code.

    [404 (file missing) displayed on preview. .mod]

    • I have no idea how to post an image the https instead of http doesn’t seem to do it or I don’t really know what I’m supposed to do. A link to detailed instruction would be great.

    • TinyPic is still using the http: protocol, as far as I know. That will not work here. Editing the url to https: does not work.
      I switched over to PostImage which *does* support the https: protocol.
      It seems to work fine, same as always.
      No sign-up, no login, no account setup needed
      Upload your image, hit the “share” button to get the url. Give it a try.

      That Boston SLR graph I put up is hosted on PostImage.
      Just use your favorite search engine on “postimage”, it will pop right up.

  49. Site looks great, extra functionality really nice. One gripe: I can’t work out how to post as a logged-in wordpress user now. I was doing that on the old site because some time back some loser posted many hostile, nasty comments with MY signature on the bottom, and got me banned for a while until it got sorted out. I had told the moderators that I would always post as a logged in user so that they could easily tell which comments were from the real me. I think I am vulnerable to the bottom feeders again.

  50. Everything looks great Anthony.

    Thanks for keeping this site alive and thriving.

  51. I like the new ‘Bookmarks’ section. Any chance the listed links could be marked with the date they were last updated? This would make easier to find updates, especially for the sites that update infrequently.

      • New in the sense they are listed in alphabetical order now and aren’t broken down into categories like ‘Skeptical Views’ , ‘Lukewarmers’ , etc.

  52. Would someone be kind enough to let us know if AndyG55 is still with us?
    Thanks in advance . . .

    • I’ll answer my own question . . . both AndyG55 and Griff (also missed) are frequenting other blogs. How can we get them back? Perhaps we need to start a petition??

  53. I’m missing the notification line on top of the screen, where I can see notices about replies to my comments, login to WP, and other stuff.
    However, I can deal with it if there’s no alternative.

    Good work, Anthony! Thumbs up!

  54. There is some plugin installed that causes each post to be truncated with a “read more” link on the android mobile app. It’s really annoying.

  55. The Menu works better now on iPhone. The links in the menu used to become unvisible after the first time they were used, that corrected now. The Arctic temp diagram is updated every day, previpusly I had to click on the link under the diagram to be able to see the updated version.

  56. I am going to beat on the YouTube video problem and see what happens.
    The Curly Shuffle:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKAfXdb5LsA&w=560&h=315

    Still no joy.
    u.k.(us) and J Mac have been going at it hard. This current attempt is what J Mac came up with as a work-around. It fails here.

    Video embed success seems random and sporadic. It fails a lot more often than it succeeds.
    Whatever else we can say,
    it does not work as advertised.
    So this issue needs work.

  57. UPDATE: Based on feedback in this thread, I’ve disabled the “read more” comment button. Comments will load in full now.

    This was my main irritation with the new layout. Other than that its excellent. And really, very well done to have got the move done with so little disruption. Some was inevitable in a project of this size, but on balance it has gone very well considering the complexity.

    Well, just one reservation, for a couple of days there was an endlessly flickering gif or something on the right hand side in the ads, which I found completely infuriating. But it was a one-off, so no big deal.

  58. Anthony, many thanks for this new thread on the subject and for making changes as a result of feedback. Your 1st and 3rd updates removed my last niggles about the system, so I am about to vote in favour.

    Rich.

  59. “I can’t move the posiion of the main comment form, currently at the top of comments.”
    QUESTION for ANTHONY : Is a posiion (sic) some sort of quark ??
    CONCLUSION & QUOTE : “You STILL NEED A POOF READER !!”

    • A posiion is a cation made out of antimatter.
      Allow me to explain:
      A common anion is Cl-, commonly called chloride.
      When the Cl is made out of antimatter, the charges are reversed, so you get Cl+.
      we call it a posiion because the term cation is reserved for positivly charged species made out of conventional matter.

      As a safety concern, one must use care when working with multiple gram quantities of antimatter in the chemistry lab. Because of the propensity of antimatter annihilating when in contact with matter, you want to keep them separate. A multiple gram matter-antimatter annihilation would release enough energy to completely destroy the planet, so you do want to be careful.

  60. Niggles still left.
    font color in poster name is rather vile
    italics and bolds are in small font on replies

    Videos don’t work except by some magic when they do.

  61. A little bumpy to start, running pretty smooth now. Some of the issues people seem to have may come from screen size. I use laptop, 13 1/2×7 1/2, running Firefox, so comments and replies were same size print. The nesting of replies takes a bit of getting used to, although it is how many other page’s comments are formatted so not that big a deal. The home page looks great and everything certainly loads faster now. Have not doodled with the new stuff, other than edit(fast typing leads to mistakes!). Just miss gravatars, Jelical is quite cross her shining face is not getting as much display as it used to.

  62. I don’t know if it has anything to do with the new site but I am still receiving duplicate emails of every (WUWT) email I receive.

    At first I wasn’t receiving any emails – they just stopped. Then when I asked on here, Anthony advised me to subscribe again, as the old subscriptions weren’t brought across to the new site automatically, so I did. Now I get two of everything. Help.

    • Help us out, list your hardware/platform, browser, and operating system.
      WUWT has a huge reader base, somebody is almost sure to have a fix for you.

  63. This is a test. I am able to see this new site in Firefox right-clicking for a “new private window” . Chrome loads OK, but I am used to Firefox.

  64. I would like to see a status bar that often appears on the right side of the screen when reading articles, books, etc. I would like to know how far into an article or comment I am and how much longer I would have to stay with it to finish.

  65. When I use the “Read More” buttons in the comments section of each article, it doesn’t work so I can’t read the extra words.

  66. The name field correctly fills in automatically as “Joe Born” for me, but it appears as “jhborn” when I post. And in all my past posts “Joe Born” has been replaced with “jhborn.” The latter is the user name I had to take out for WordPress in order to comment on another site. My “display name” for WordPress is “Joe Born.” It works at Judith Curry’s site but not here.

  67. @Anthony Watts: Hasn’t anyone critiqued McMichael’s version of the Goldilocks principle in climate change where warming and cooling are equally harmful for health? See his book, Climate Change and the Health of Nations. This is obviously a retreat for AGW but still far from the truth. He gives rare examples of warming harming health and cooling benefiting health as if they were typical (e.g. sleeping sickness p. 211).

  68. The first time I saw the new format/layout I was wowed. It also had a sans-serifed font which, IMHO made it look cleaner and better. I see you’ve fixed that [grin]

  69. My comment against the voting buttons is currently -2. So somebody likes them. If you do have them, it would be better if the counts for + and – were separate. And even better, if you could see the user names of who voted each way. And even better, if there were categories beyond + and – , for example TL;DR and Troll! and +1000 and Idiot! and Genius! and Fascist! and whatever else those voters really meant by + and –
    If users take the trouble to say what they think in words, that’s even better.

  70. It has always been necessary to provide a password in order for any of my comments to get processed.
    Name and email were entered below the comment, as here, then after the Post Comment button another page appeared demanding the password.
    The few posts I made since the change don’t request a password. Is the email address acting as a password in this new version or can just anyone post under my name?

  71. OK, my success rate of embedding a YouTube video has been running at about 50%.
    Here is my latest attempt, I just copied and pasted the url:

    • successful posting ………. this pic will show again in another future comment elsewhere when discussion warrants. I’ve been looking at it for quite some time. Need to have actual visible image to go with it. There may be some answers in that pic.

  72. Javascript and security: When my browser loads this page, your server asks it to run javascripts from youtube.com, google.com, polldaddy.com, gaug.es, wp.com, pubmine.com, newsmaxfeednetwork.com, doubleclick.net, netdna-ssl.com, and wattsupwiththat.com. Being moderately concerned about computer security, I’m reluctant to let some of those domains (the ones about which I know nothing) run arbitrary javascripts on my computer, so I find myself viewing your pages in a somewhat degraded mode, as presumably do other cautious visitors. I know this is a lot to ask, but I don’t really see a practical alternative: Could you reduce your javascript requirements to a small-enough set of trustworthy-enough domains that you could say to your visitors, “I promise that no javascript loaded from any of these domains will turn out to be malicious”? (And if you can’t do that, then just what sort of risks are you expecting your visitors to take?

  73. On Jo Nova’s site the voting process keeps track of both +ve and -ve (red thumb) votes. I think that Jo has a much better way of displaying voting.

    Here it appears that just the total effect of all the votes is shown. So 10 votes in favour and 10 votes against gives a total score of zero and it seems that the comment is being ignored. Suggest that you try Jo’s way of displaying votes.

    It looks like I can vote twice in either direction (up or down) for a comment before the system stops me.

  74. I added another plugin, this one designed to handle YouTube and image embedding, as well as allow for direct uploads of images, audio, and video files in comments using the new icons that now appear in the comment box. 

  75. I wish there were a way to browse through all my old comments—and also those of others. Some sites, such as Seeking Alpha, provide this feature.

  76. and you got the ENSO chart back;_0
    happy even though its going the wrong way just now for aussies

  77. I find your “new cloud service” has been so slow this week as to be virtually unusable. No improvements in comment threads etc have any value if it becomes so painful to access an article in the first place. I often glance at WUWT in between other tasks and chores. Will give it time, but way too slow to do this right now.

    Do others have this experience (since the change) ? Note other websites I browse regularly are unaffected.

  78. Not sure how much it is related to the latest plugins added, but right now from the moment I click on an article or any WUWT link till the moment it actually starts displaying (loading?) the page I have to wait more than 30 seconds. It is very frustrating. And is is not my browser, I am using Chrome and this doesn’t happen with pages outside WUWT.

    Edit: and… it did it again when clicking the post comment button. 20 seconds this time.

  79. EDIT; Editing is nice too. 😉

    Great praise for nixing ‘read more’. I’d like to bring up another reason it should be avoided. Every WUWT article is a lecture — but after a good bit of slinging in the comments (sometimes mud but often gold with great references) an WUWT article can collectively approach thesis level. I save these gestalts to disk with their inline images. The ability to archive whole articles with all comments is precious. I have some 500+ articles on disk, They are among the most valuable things I’ve ever saved.

    If I turn off the Internet and load one of these saved pages locally — menus and things are awry but the essence content and comment, is all there. I’ve posted non sequitir in comments before thanking Anthony for maintaining quality ‘static’ pages before, ever with a sense of foreboding. I muse privately “Some day someone will force him to ‘upgrade’ to some flypaper abortion.”

    What do I consider flypaper? It is when user content gets hidden abominations like ‘read more’ and becomes statically ABSENT. And this comment system is the worst. Oh it’s the very best if you are happy go lucky flipping this or that open on a dumbphone, and if anyone ever asks, what would you do if you lose connectivity or the site disappears from the net, what would you be left with, you whistle loudly and stop your ears. It’s so very clever it will not even retrieve the rest of every single comment from the net unless you express interest in that comment. Does that sound like a good thing? It is a horrible thing.

    If you are an archivist like me, you’re positively paranoid about it. I save articles preserving your titles adding my own keywords. And when the new came along my worst fears were confirmed. Saving a WUWT page to disk with that ‘read more’ stuff only saves the stubs of comments of course, and what you take away to view locally is something cruel and pointless.

    Some systems actually stream the hidden information inline but flagged as hidden with a functional ‘unhide’ button that may or may not work when viewed offline. This system is worse, it is just not there. But I’ll admit it’s clever. But still bad. Clever people make up bad things too, unintended consequences.

    But I’m happy to say that with ‘read more’ gone, Paging repeatedly until the whole is loaded then saving yields a viewable offline copy. I and the future generations who will inherit my saved archive (post-apocalypse) thank you.

  80. Anthony/
    Thanks for removing that plugin. Here I was thinking it was my machine throwing a fit so I take a break for lunch, come back a bit later and it’s like a new machine all over again.

  81. Sorry, could not find any faults 🙂
    Much better platform now, also loads faster (for me, anyhow).
    Still the best topical site in the world.

  82. The ‘proudly powered’ ‘tooltip’ at the bottom behaves badly. Jumps up, slides down, repeat, while scrolling. Using a slow tablet with enlarged fonts. I guess the float there has some .js deintelligence tha breaks it. Annoying as h, though doesn’t prevent reading.

  83. “We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on WUWT. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. This notice is required by recently enacted EU GDPR rules, and since WUWT is a globally read website, we need to keep the bureaucrats off our case!”

    The law, as far as I can tell, the law does not require a sticky component. I’m sure people would rather see a small box on the banner rather than a floating window-like creature which obscures reading until it has been clicked away. Sticky things that steal vertical pixel capacity of wide but not high displays are a nuisance of the greatest degree.

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