Global warming on trial and the elementary error of physics that caused the global warming scare

By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley

This will be a long posting, but it will not be found uninteresting.

Global warming on trial: Global warming goes on trial at 8.00 am this Wednesday, 21 March 2018, in Court 8 on the 19th floor of the Federal Building at 450 Golden Gate Avenue, San Francisco. Court 8 is the largest of the courtrooms in the Federal District Court of Northern California. They’re clearly expecting a crowd. The 8 am start, rather than the usual 10 am, is because the judge in the case is an early bird.

The judge: His Honor Judge William Haskell Alsup, who will preside over the coyly-titled “People of California” v. British Petroleum plc et al., is not to be underestimated. Judge Alsup, as the senior member of the Northern California Bench (he has been there for almost two decades), gets to pick the cases he likes the look of. He is no ordinary, custard-faced law graduate. Before he descended to the law (he wanted to help the civil rights movement), he earned a B.S. in engineering at Mississippi State University.

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Don’t mess with me: His Honor Judge Alsup flourishing a tract by his mentor, the Supreme Court justice whom he once served as Clerk.

Six years ago, in an acrimonious hearing between Oracle and Google, the two Silicon-Valley giants were arguing about nine lines of computer code, which Oracle said Google had filched for its Android cellphone system. In preparation for the case, Oracle had tested 15 million lines of Android code, and had found that just nine lines – a subroutine known as rangeCheck – had been copied keystroke for keystroke. Oracle’s case was that these nine lines of code, though representing only 0.00006% of the Android software, were a crucial element in the system. Judge Alsup did not buy that argument.

Rumors gather about great men. In hushed tones, those who talk of Judge Alsup say he taught himself the Java programming language so that he could decide the rangeCheck case. In fact, he is not familiar with Java, but he does write computer code using qBasic, which used to be bundled free with MS-DOS. On the vast desk in his book-lined office sits a 2011-vintage Dell laptop, the only one he has that will still run qBasic. He has written programs for his ham-radio hobby, for the Mastermind board game, and for his wife’s bridge game.

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The 18-year-old Bill Alsup at his ham radio console in Mississippi.

This, then, is that rarest of creatures, a tech-savvy judge. And he has taken the very rare but commendable step of ordering both parties to answer nine scientific questions about climate change in preparation for what he has called a “tutorial” on the subject next Wednesday.

Hearing of this case, and of Bill Alsup’s starring role, I wondered what line of argument might convince a scientifically literate judge that the plaintiffs, two Californian cities who want the world’s five biggest oil corporations to pay them to adapt to rising sea level, that there is no cause for alarm about manmade global warming.

Judge Alsup might well be moved to dismiss the plaintiffs’ case provided that the defendants were able to establish definitively that fears of global warming had been very greatly exaggerated.

Two propositions: If the following two propositions were demonstrated, His Honor might decide – and all but a few irredentists would be compelled to agree – that global warming was not a problem and that the scare was over.

1. It can be proven that an elementary error of physics is the sole cause of alarm about global warming – elementary because otherwise non-climatologists might not grasp it.

2. It can be proven that, owing to that elementary error, current official mid-range estimates of equilibrium sensitivity to anthropogenic activity are at least twice what they should be.

Regular readers will know that my contributions here have been infrequent in the past year. The reason is that I have had the honor to lead a team of eminent climatological researchers who have been quietly but very busily investigating how much global warming we may cause, known as the “equilibrium-sensitivity” question.

We can now prove both points itemized above, and we have gone to more than customary lengths to confirm by multiple empirical methods what we originally demonstrated by a theoretical method. The half-dozen methods all cohere in the same ballpark.

Three days before His Honor posted up his list of questions on climate science, my team had submitted a paper on our result to a leading climatological journal (by convention, I am bound not to say which until publication).

The judge’s question: When I saw His Honor’s eighth question, “What are the main sources of heat that account for the incremental rise in temperature on Earth?”, I contacted my eight co-authors, who all agreed to submit an amicus curiae or “friend-of-the-court” brief.

Our reply: Our amicus brief, lodged for us by a good friend of the ever-valuable Heartland Institute, concludes with a respectful recommendation that the court should reject the plaintiffs’ case and that it should also order the oil corporations to meet their own costs in the cause because their me-too public statements to the effect that global warming is a “problem” that requires to be addressed are based on the same elementary error as the plaintiffs’ case.

In effect, the oil corporations have invited legal actions such as this, wherefore they should pay the cost of their folly in accordance with the ancient legal principle volenti non fit injuria – if you stick your chin out and invite someone to hit it, don’t blub if someone hits it.

The judge has the right to accept or reject the brief, so we accompanied our brief with the usual short application requesting the court to accept it for filing. Since the rules of court require the brief to be lodged as an exhibit to the application, the brief stands part of the court papers in any event, has been sent to all parties, and is now publicly available on PACER, the Federal judiciary’s public-access database.

Therefore, I am at last free to reveal what we have discovered. There is indeed an elementary error of physics right at the heart of the models’ calculations of equilibrium sensitivity. After correcting that error, and on the generous assumption that official climatology has made no error other than that which we have exposed, global warming will not be 3.3 ± 1.2 K: it will be only 1.2 ± 0.15 K. We say we can prove it.

The proof: I shall now outline our proof. Let us begin with the abstract of the underlying paper. It is just 70 words long, for the error (though it has taken me a dozen years to run it to earth) really is stupendously elementary:

Abstract: In a dynamical system, even an unamplified input signal induces a response to any feedback. Hitherto, however, the large feedback response to emission temperature has been misattributed to warming from the naturally-occurring, non-condensing greenhouse gases. After correction, the theoretically-derived pre-industrial feedback fraction is demonstrated to cohere with the empirically-derived industrial-era value an order of magnitude below previous estimates, mandating reduction of projected Charney sensitivity from clip_image006 to clip_image008.

Equations: To understand the argument that follows, we shall need three equations.

The zero-dimensional-model equation (1) says that equilibrium sensitivity or final warming ΔTeq is the ratio of reference sensitivity or initial warming ΔTref to (1 – f ), where f is the feedback fraction, i.e., the fraction of ΔTeq represented by the feedback response ΔT(ref) to ΔTref. The entire difference between reference and equilibrium sensitivity is accounted for by the feedback response ΔT(ref) (the bracketed subscript indicates a feedback response).

ΔTeq = ΔTref / (1 – f ). (1)

The zero-dimensional model is not explicitly used in general-circulation models. However, it is the simplest expression of the difference between reference sensitivity before accounting for feedback and equilibrium sensitivity after accounting for feedback. Eq. (1), a simplified form of the feedback-amplification equation that originated in electronic network analysis, is of general application when deriving the feedback responses in all dynamical systems upon which feedbacks bear. The models must necessarily reflect it.

Eq. (1) is used diagnostically not only to derive equilibrium sensitivity (i.e. final warming) from official inputs but also to derive the equilibrium sensitivity that the models would be expected to predict if the inputs (such as the feedback fraction f ) were varied. We conducted a careful calibration exercise to confirm that the official reference sensitivity and the official interval of the feedback fraction, when input to Eq. (1), indeed yield the official interval of equilibrium sensitivity.

The feedback-fraction equation (2): If the reference sensitivity ΔTref and the equilibrium sensitivity ΔTeq are specified, the feedback fraction f is found by rearranging (1) as (2):

f = 1 – ΔTref / ΔTeq. (2)

The reference-sensitivity equation (3): Reference sensitivity ΔTref is the product of a radiative forcing ΔQ0, in Watts per square meter, and the Planck reference-sensitivity parameter λ0, in Kelvin per Watt per square meter.

ΔTref = λ0 ΔQ0. (3)

The Planck parameter λ0 is currently estimated at about 0.3125, or 3.2–1 K W–1 m2 (Soden & Held 2006; Bony 2006, Appendix A; IPCC 2007, p. 631 fn.). The CO2 radiative forcing ΔQ0 is 3.5 W m–2 (Andrews 2012). Therefore, from Eq. (3), reference sensitivity ΔTref to doubled CO2 concentration is about 1.1 K.

The “natural greenhouse effect” is not 32 K: The difference of 32 K between natural temperature TN (= 287.6 K) in 1850 and emission temperature TE (= 255.4 K) without greenhouse gases or temperature feedbacks was hitherto imagined to comprise 8 K (25%) base warming ΔTB directly forced by the naturally-occurring, non-condensing greenhouse gases and a 24 K (75%) feedback response ΔT(B) to ΔTB, implying a pre-industrial feedback fraction f ≈ 24 / 32 = 0.75 (Lacis et al., 2010).

Similarly, the CMIP3/5 models’ mid-range reference sensitivity ΔTS (= 3.5 x 0.3125 = 1.1 K) and Charney sensitivity ΔT (= 3.3 K) (Charney sensitivity is equilibrium sensitivity to doubled CO2), imply a feedback fraction f = 1 – 1.1 / 3.3 = 0.67 (Eq. 2) in the industrial era.

The error: However, climatologists had made the grave error of not realizing that emission temperature TE (= 255 K) itself induces a substantial feedback. To correct that long-standing error, we illustratively assumed that the feedback fractions f in response to TE and to ΔTB were identical. Then we derived f simply by replacing the delta values ΔTref, ΔTeq in (2) with the underlying entire quantities Tref, Teq, setting Tref = TE + ΔTB, and Teq = TN (Eq. 4),

f = 1 –Tref / Teq = 1 – (TE + ΔTB) / TN

= 1 – (255.4 + 8) / 287.6 = 0.08. (4)

Contrast this true pre-industrial value f = 0.08 with the CMIP5 models’ current mid-range estimate f = 1 – 1.1 / 3.3 = 0.67 (Eq. 2), and with the f = 0.75 applied by Lacis et al. (2010) not only to the 32 K “entire natural greenhouse effect” but also to “current climate”.

Verification: We took no small trouble to verify by multiple empirical methods the result derived by the theoretical method in Eq. (4).

Test 1: IPCC’s best estimate (IPCC, 2013, fig. SPM.5) is that some 2.29 W m–2 of net anthropogenic forcing arose in the industrial era to 2011. The product of that value and the Planck parameter is the 0.72 K reference warming (Eq. 3).

However, 0.76 K warming was observed (taken as the linear trend on the HadCRUT4 monthly global mean surface temperature anomalies, 1850-2011).

Therefore, the industrial-era feedback fraction f is equal to 1 – 0.72 / 0.76. or 0.05 (Eq. 2). That is close to the pre-industrial value f = 0.08: but it is an order of magnitude (i.e., approximately tenfold) below the models’ 0.67 or Lacis’ 0.75.

There is little change that some feedbacks had not fully acted. The feedbacks listed in IPCC (2013, p. 818, table 9.5) as being relevant to the derivation of equilibrium sensitivity are described by IPCC (2013, p. 128, Fig. 1.2) as having the following durations: Water vapor and lapse-rate feedback hours; Cloud feedback days; Surface albedo feedback years.

The new headline Charney sensitivity: Thus, Charney sensitivity is not 1.1 / (1 – 0.67) = 3.3 K (Eq. 1), the CMIP5 models’ imagined mid-range estimate (Andrews 2012). Instead, whether f = 0.05 or 0.08, Charney sensitivity ΔTeq = 1.1 / (1 – f ) is 1.2 K (Eq. 1). That new headline value is far too small to worry about.

Test 2: We sourced mainstream estimates of net anthropogenic forcing over ten different periods in the industrial era, converting each to reference sensitivity using Eq. (3) and then finding the feedback fraction f for each period using Eq. (2).

The mean of the ten values of f was 0.12, somewhat higher than the value 0.05 based on IPCC’s mid-range estimate of 2.29 W m–2 net anthropogenic forcing in the industrial era. The difference was driven by three high-end outliers in our table of ten results. Be that as it may, Charney sensitivity for f = 0.12 is only 1.25 K.

Test 3: We checked how much global warming had occurred since 1950, when IPCC says our influence on climate became detectable. The CMIP5 mid-range prediction of Charney sensitivity, at 3.3 K, is about equal to the original mid-range prediction of 21st-century global warming derivable from IPCC (1990, p. xiv), where 1.8 K warming compared with the pre-industrial era [equivalent to 1.35 K warming compared with 1990] is predicted for the 40-year period 1991-2030, giving a centennial warming rate of 1.35 / (40 / 100) = 3.3 K.

This coincidence of values allowed us to compare the 1.2 K Charney sensitivity derived from f on [0.05, 0.12] in Eq. (4) with the least-squares linear-regression trend on the HadCRUT4 monthly global mean surface temperature anomalies over the 68 years 1950-2017. Sure enough, the centennial-equivalent warming was 1.2 K/century:

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The centennial-equivalent warming rate from 1950-2017 was 1.2 K/century

Test 4: We verified that the centennial-equivalent warming rate in the first 17 years (one-sixth) of the 21st century was not significantly greater than the rate since 1950. We averaged the monthly global mean surface and lower-troposphere temperature anomalies from the HadCRUT4 terrestrial and UAH satellite datasets and derived the least-squares linear-regression trend (the bright blue line on the graph below).

The satellite data were included because they cover a five-mile-high slab of the atmosphere immediately above the surface, and have a coverage greater than the terrestrial measurements. The trend was found to be clip_image012, equivalent to clip_image014/century:

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Test 5: To confirm that we had understood feedback theory correctly, one of my distinguished co-authors, a hands-on electronics engineer, heard of our result and built a test rig in which we were able to specify the input signal (i.e., emission temperature TE) as a voltage, and also the direct-gain factor μ to allow for direct natural or anthropogenic forcings, and the feedback fraction β (we were using the more precise form of Eq. 1 that is usual in electronic network analysis). Then it was a simple matter directly to measure the output signal (i.e. equilibrium sensitivity ΔTeq).

The most crucial of the many experiments we ran on this rig was to set μ to unity, implying no greenhouse forcing at all. We set the feedback fraction β to a non-zero value and then verified that the output signal exceeded the input signal by the expected margin. Not at all to our surprise, it did. This experiment proved that emission temperature, on its own, induced a feedback response that climatology had hitherto overlooked.

This is where the elementary error made by climatologists for half a century has had its devastating effect. Look again at Eq. (1). The input signal is altogether absent. Although it is acceptable to use Eq. (1) to derive equilibrium sensitivities from reference sensitivities, the mistake made by the modelers was to assume, as Lacis et al. (2010) and many others had assumed, that the entire difference of 32 K between the natural temperature TN in 1850 and the emission temperature TE was accounted for by the natural greenhouse effect, comprising a direct greenhouse warming ΔTB = 8 K and a very large feedback reponse ΔT(B) = 24 K to ΔTB.

However, in truth – this is the crucial point – the emission temperature TE (= 255 K), even in the absence of any greenhouse gases, induces a large feedback response ΔTE. This feedback response to the input signal is entirely uncontroversial in electronic network analysis and in control theory generally, but we have not been able to find any acknowledgement in climatology that it exists.

Just as Lacis (2010) did, the modelers assumed that the industrial-era feedback fraction must be every bit as large as the pre-industrial feedback fraction that they had erroneously inflated by adding the large feedback response induced by emission temperature to the small feedback response induced by the presence of the naturally-occurring greenhouse gases.

It was that assumption that led the modelers to assume that there must be some very strongly positive feedbacks, chief among which was the water-vapor feedback. However, although the Clausius-Clapeyron relation indicates that the space occupied by the atmosphere can carry near-exponentially more water vapor as it warms, there is nothing to say that it must.

Suppose there were a water-vapor feedback anything like as large as that which the models have assumed (and they have assumed a very large feedback only because they are trying to explain the large but fictitious feedback fraction consequent upon their erroneous assumption that emission temperature of 255 K somehow induces no feedback response at all, while the next 8 K of warming magically induces a 24 K feedback response). In that event, atmospheric dynamics requires that there must be a tropical mid-troposphere “hot spot” [I had the honor to name it], where the warming rate should be twice or thrice that at the tropical surface. However, the “hot spot” is not observed in reality (see below), except in one suspect dataset that Dr Fred Singer scrutinized some years ago and determined to be defective.

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Models predict the tropical mid-troposphere “hot spot” (top, IPCC 2007, citing Santer 2003; above left, Lee et al. 2008; above right, Karl et al., 2006).

However, the “hot spot” is not observed in reality (see below). Our result shows why not. The “hot spot” is an artefact of the modelers’ error in misallocating the substantial feedback response induced by emission temperature by adding it to the very small feedback response induced by the naturally-occurring greenhouse gases.

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The model-predicted “hot spot” is not observed in reality (Karl et al. 2006).

Test 6: Even after we had built and operated our own test rig – as far as we know, this is the first time anyone has tried to test climatological feedback theory empirically rather than simply modeling it – we were not satisfied that anything other than tests performed under rigorous conditions at a government laboratory would be found widely acceptable.

Accordingly, based on the results of our in-house test rig, we drew up a more sophisticated specification for a new rig, together with four test groups comprising 23 sets of three quantities – the input signal, the direct-gain factor and the feedback fraction. Armed with the specification, I commissioned a government laboratory to carry out the experiments.

However, a problem at once arose – indeed, it was a problem with which our own engineer had wrestled. So very small were the feedback responses predicted by long-established control theory that even the presence of the operator in the same room as the test rig tended to bias the results.

Accordingly, I worked for months with a patient and amiable scientist at the government laboratory. Eventually, by somewhat altering the initial-state values specified for the 23 tests, I was able to give the scientist values that would yield results to the required precision but without loss of experimental integrity.

In due course the laboratory reported, and the results of all 23 tests – to within one-tenth of a Kelvin – were exactly as we had been able to predict theoretically. Again, the most important results were for the group of tests in which the direct-gain factor was set to unity, so that we could reassure ourselves that control theory was correct in predicting that, in the presence of a non-zero feedback fraction, even an unamplified input signal would induce a feedback response that would either amplify or attenuate it.

Another snag arose. When I had originally approached the laboratory, I had not mentioned that the research had anything to do with climate change, because all I wanted to do was to establish that we had understood the relevant control theory correctly.

When the laboratory reported, I sent it a copy of our draft paper, in which the lab results were mentioned. The laboratory panicked and said we were not allowed to use its report.

However, I had written into the contract a term to the effect that we intended to include the laboratory’s results, and a discussion of them, in an academic paper. A compromise was reached, by which we are free to include the laboratory’s results in our paper, as long as we do not mention either the name of the laboratory or the name of the scientist there who built and ran the high-specification rig for us.

The laboratory also kindly confirmed that we had represented its results fairly in our paper and had drawn justifiable conclusions from them. Furthermore, much to our pleasure, it promoted the scientist who had assisted us. He wrote us a charming letter to say that he had not allowed, and would not allow, politics to intrude into the work he had carried out for us.

With these results from a national laboratory (we cannot even mention which country it was in) we were at last content that we had established our conclusion with sufficient rigor.

The true picture: How should the 32 K difference between emission temperature and natural temperature be apportioned? Approximately 23.4 K of the 32 K is the feedback response to emission temperature; 8 K is the directly-forced warming from the presence of the natural greenhouse gases; and just 0.7 K is feedback response to that 8 K warming (panel b):

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(a) Erroneous apportionment of the 32 K difference between natural temperature in 1850 and emission temperature in the absence of any greenhouse gases, given in Lacis et al. (2010).

(b) Corrected apportionment of the 32 K, allowing for the feedback response (blue) to emission temperature; the directly-forced warming from the naturally-occurring, non-condensing greenhouse gases (yellow); and the feedback response to that greenhouse warming (red).

Looking at it the other way about, if the feedback fraction were really as large as the 0.75 imagined by Lacis et al. (2010), then the Earth’s emission temperature of 255.4 K would induce a feedback response of 766.2 K, and the 8 K greenhouse warming would induce a feedback response of 24 K, so that the pre-industrial or natural temperature in 1850 would be 255.4 + 766.2 + 8 + 24 ≈ 1054 K, about three and a half times the true value of 287.6 K.

We also considered whether non-linearities in individual feedbacks might vitiate our result. However, to obtain even the 1.5 K minimum Charney sensitivity predicted by IPCC one would need to multiply at least fivefold the empirically-derived industrial-era feefdback fraction f = 0.05.

The reason why even a very large nonlinearity in the feedback sum and consequently in the feedback fraction makes little difference to equilibrium sensitivities is that the curve of equilibrium sensitivities in the presence of various feedback factors is a rectangular hyperbola (see below). Our result shows that the sensitivity calculation is not done, as now, rather close to the singularity at f = 1 (note in passing that for f > 1 Eq. (1) predicts cooling); instead, it is done at the left-hand end of the curve, where the sensitivity increases very slowly with f:

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The rectangular-hyperbolic curve of Charney sensitivities in response to feedback fractions f, showing current predictions compared with the corrected result.

The outcome of the case: What will His Honor make of all this? My guess is that he will allow our amicus brief to be filed. With his engineering background, he will have no difficulty in understanding why we say that the notion of catastrophic rather than moderate global warming is rooted in the elementary physical error we have discovered.

Therefore, we hope His Honor will ask all parties to provide formal responses to our brief. On any view, it plainly raises a serious question about whether global warming matters at all – a question that strikes right to the heart not only of the case before him but of numerous other such cases now arising in several jurisdictions – and showing some evidence of careful co-ordination.

The parties will not be able to dismiss our result lightly. To refute it, they would have to show that our pre-industrial feedback fraction f = 0.08, obtained by theoretical means rooted in mainstream control theory, is incorrect; that our industrial-era value f = 0.05, obtained empirically from IPCC’s estimate of the net anthropogenic forcing to date and from the HadCRUT4 temperature record, is also incorrect; that our campaign of ten empirical calculations giving a mean feedback fraction f = 0.12, is incorrect; that the rate of observed warming over the past 68 years is either incorrect or irrelevant; that the rate of observed warming this century to date is also either incorrect or irrelevant; that the results from our test rig are inapplicable; that the results from a government laboratory are likewise inapplicable; and, above all, that it is justifiable to assume that control theory is wrong and that, per impossibile. 255.4 K of emission temperature generates no feedback at all, while the next 8 K of warming suddenly causes 24 K of feedback, as if by magic.

We do not believe in magic.

Conclusion: The anthropogenic global warming we can now expect will be small, slow, harmless, and even net-beneficial. It is only going to be about 1.2 K this century, or 1.2 K per CO2 doubling. If the parties are not able to demonstrate that we are wrong, and if His Honor accepts that we have proven the result set out publicly and in detail here for the first time, then the global warming scare was indeed based on a strikingly elementary error of physics.

The avowedly alarmist position too hastily adopted by governments and international bureaucratic entities has caused the most egregious misallocation of resources in history.

Ladies and gentlemen, we call time on a 50-year-old scam, in which a small number of corrupt and politicized scientists, paid for by scientifically-illiterate governments panicked by questionable lobby-groups funded by dubious billionaires and foreign governments intent on doing down the West, and egged on by the inept and increasingly totalitarian news media, have conspired to perpetrate a single falsehood: that the science was settled.

Well, it wasn’t.

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March 19, 2018 2:51 pm

I’m all for Christopher Monckton going ahead with this effort, which I view as trying to undermine a flawed argument using some of the flawed pillars of said flawed argument. In this way, it could be demonstrated that the flaw exposed in the application of these pillars was itself arrived at using flawed understanding of even these flaws. Poetic justice could not get any better than that.
But what I am alluding to as an even deeper flaw is highlighted by this quote from Monckton’s article:

How should the 32 K difference between emission temperature and natural temperature be apportioned?

… to which my answer would be: The whole concept of apportioning that difference at all should be rejected as a nonsensical difference to begin with.
But baby steps, I guess.

Reply to  Robert Kernodle
March 19, 2018 3:50 pm

Mr Kernodle says one should not attempt to apportion the 32 K difference between emission and natural temperatures. But that difference, and its apportionment, lies at the heart of the debate on pre-industrial sensitivities, so we cannot overlook it.

Nick Stokes
Reply to  Robert Kernodle
March 19, 2018 3:54 pm

” The whole concept of apportioning that difference at all should be rejected as a nonsensical difference to begin with.”
So who actually does it? Could we have an actual quote?

Sun Spot
Reply to  Nick Stokes
March 19, 2018 6:28 pm

Politicians & science politics “does it” Nick, no quote required when observation provides the proof.

Nick Stokes
Reply to  Nick Stokes
March 19, 2018 7:01 pm

OK list your observation. Who “apportions the difference”? It seems no-one that can be quoted.

Reply to  Nick Stokes
March 20, 2018 6:18 am

In response to Mr Stokes’ apportionment question, Lacis et al. (2010) imagine that “the entire greenhouse effect” is 32 K and that feedback accounts for three-quarters of it, and they also imagine that, “for today’s climate”, the feedback fraction is 0.75. Such apportionments are incorrect, but they are perhaps the main reason why climatologists imagine the feedback fraction is an order of magnitude greater than it is.

Nick Stokes
Reply to  Nick Stokes
March 20, 2018 10:37 am

“Lacis et al. (2010) imagine “
But still no quote.

Editor
Reply to  Nick Stokes
March 20, 2018 12:16 pm

Nick,
Per your request:
“The difference between the nominal global mean surface temperature (TS = 288 K) and the global mean effective temperature (TE = 255 K) is a common measure of the terrestrial greenhouse effect (GT = TS – TE = 33 K).” Lacis (2010)
And later, same paper:
“In round numbers, water vapor accounts for about 50% of Earth’s greenhouse effect, with clouds contributing 25%, CO2 20%, and the minor GHGs and aerosols accounting for the remaining 5%. Because CO2, O3, N2O, CH4, and chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) do not condense and precipitate, noncondensing GHGs constitute the key 25% of the radiative forcing that supports and sustains the entire terrestrial greenhouse effect, the remaining 75% coming as fast feedback contributions from water vapor and clouds.”
Do these suffice?
rip

Nick Stokes
Reply to  Nick Stokes
March 20, 2018 1:44 pm

What they also say is
“Because of overlapping absorption, the fractional attribution of the greenhouse effect is to some extent qualitative (as shown by the dashed and dotted extremum lines in Fig. 1), even though the spectral integral is a full and accurate determination of the atmospheric greenhouse strength for the specified global temperature structure.”
And in Fig 1 they spell out that what they are talking about
“Horizontal dotted and dashed lines depict the fractional response for single-addition and single-subtraction of individual gases to an empty or full-component reference atmosphere, respectively.”
You can partition it if you are careful to spell out what addition or subtraction event you are talking about. It makes a difference. That is why it is worth while quoting what they say.

Reply to  Nick Stokes
March 21, 2018 12:01 am

Nick Stokes: You can partition it if you are careful to spell out what addition or subtraction event you are talking about. It makes a difference. That is why it is worth while quoting what they say.
Yes, but “apportion” they did. Don’t you agree? Do you require yet more quotes?

Nick Stokes
Reply to  Nick Stokes
March 21, 2018 12:27 am

“Do you require yet more quotes?”
As I said, it is important to quote exactly what people say, and I think that should be done up front. In this case, the OP said, bolded
“The whole concept of apportioning that difference at all should be rejected as a nonsensical difference to begin with”
So let’s see what they actually did. And what they did was to actually model directly the effect of removing GHGs, and described the subtraction effect. There is nothing nonsensical about that.
But yes, if you have more quotes of what people actually said, by all means.

Reply to  Nick Stokes
March 21, 2018 7:43 am

Nick Stokes: There is nothing nonsensical about that.
Nick Stokes: Who “apportions the difference”? It seems no-one that can be quoted.
Nick Stokes: You can partition it if you are careful to spell out what addition or subtraction event you are talking about. It makes a difference. That is why it is worth while quoting what they say.
You asked who apportioned, and you were told who. You asked for a direct quote, and you got a direct quote. What “[seemed]” to you was not in fact the case.
Couldn’t you at least say “Thank you for the exact quote”? Then discuss whether you think it is “nonsensical”?

Reply to  Nick Stokes
March 22, 2018 12:07 pm

Nick,
What is nonsensical is thinking that the 32K difference is a valid difference to talk about at all. The emission temperature is apples. The near-surface air temperature is oranges. Subtracting oranges from apples is … “nonsensical”. The emission temperature is, in effect, a different average than the near-surface average temperature. Why this is still not openly acknowledged and the resultant popular difference rejected is still beyond me.

Nick Stokes
Reply to  Nick Stokes
March 22, 2018 2:37 pm

Robert,
“the resultant popular difference”
Well, it is popular. But in effect Lacis’ paper is improving on this. They did a model run where they measured the same surface average before and after removing GHGs. They got a difference of 36°C.

ResourceGuy
March 19, 2018 2:54 pm

Now let’s see the history of the Third World money appeal and North-South Divide money appeal. When did those earlier appeal strategies at the UN go silent in relation to the uptick in global warming-based appeal for wealth redistribution?

March 19, 2018 2:57 pm

I have contacted my contacts at KPIX, Channel 4, and CBS News with this information by email. I have CC: Lord Monckton. If other readers have contacts at other major San Francisco TV stations, etc., I suggest that you pass this information on to them and ask that they cover the court case. We need mainstream media presence.

Reply to  Tomer D. Tamarkin
March 19, 2018 3:50 pm

Well done for taking that initiative. I’m not holding my breath for any calls from the lamestream media.

March 19, 2018 3:01 pm

With these results from a national laboratory (we cannot even mention which country it was in)

That could be easily overcome if said country like Scotland and England) are subject to FOI laws.
Might be fun.

HotScot
Reply to  M Courtney
March 19, 2018 5:26 pm

M Courtney
“That could be easily overcome if said country like Scotland and England) are subject to FOI laws.”
Ahem…….I think you’ll find that the UK (Scotland, England, N. Ireland and Wales) were significant contributors to FOI legislation in most civilised countries.

March 19, 2018 3:06 pm

Lord Monckton, I finished reading your head post carefully, and I found it very clear, very easy to follow, and compelling. Well done!
I have to assume that Judge Alsup will have no trouble absorbing your results.
While I appreciate others’ concerns about his biases — trust me, having resided in San Francisco, I do — I completely agree with you that there is little downside but much potential upside in filing the amicus brief. I feel your (always) indefatigable positive spirit is apropos.
“255.4 K of emission temperature generates no feedback at all, while the next 8 K of warming suddenly causes 24 K of feedback, as if by magic.”
The mind boggles.
Hopefully you will help bring doomsday to this latest doomsday cult.
As I have said many times in the past, thank you for your tremendous efforts. I sincerely appreciate your work, and you.

Anthony Mills
March 19, 2018 3:21 pm

Reply to ristvan 3/19/2018 : In general yes, but not in this case where the “physical simulator” does not simulate the climate physics–it simulates the mathematical equations!

Reply to  Anthony Mills
March 20, 2018 2:55 pm

True. But important, since the climate rock stars didnt believe the Monckton math was right because did read Bode and dont do circuit design. Lindsen has been banging on for decades anout how Bode feedback math can be used to get at climate ECS. The math applies exactly to both cases. I wrote it up extensively in my last two ebooks, even though explicitly critical of Lindzen and Choi 2011.

...and Then There's Physics
March 19, 2018 3:21 pm

I posted a variant of this on cliscep, but will post a modified version here too.

255.4 K of emission temperature generates no feedback at all, while the next 8 K of warming suddenly causes 24 K of feedback, as if by magic.

This is very confused. 255K is the effective radiative temperature of the planet. Given an albedo of about 0.3 and given the current solar insolation, energy equilibrium would require us emitting – into space – as much energy per square metre per second as a 255 K blackbody. If there is no atmosphere (or no radiatively active gases on the atmosphere) then all this energy would be radiated from the surface. If there is an atmosphere with radiatively active gases, then some will be radiated from within the atmosphere. Given that the temperature in the atmosphere decreases with altitude, this means that the surface will be warmer than it would be in the absence of this atmosphere. This is what we call the greenhouse effect and, in pre-industrial times, it warmed the surface by about 33K (or, alternatively, increased the surface temperature so that it emitted as much as a 288K blackbody, rather than as much as a 255K blackbody). We have now added enough GHGs to have warmed the surface by about an extra 1K.
However, we are still emitting – into space – the same amount of energy per square metre per second as a 255K blackbody. This doesn’t depend on the greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. What does depend on the GHGs in the atmosphere is where this emissions comes from, and their presence acts to increase the surface temperature without – when in equilibrium – changing the effective radiative temperature (255 K).

sailboarder
Reply to  ...and Then There's Physics
March 19, 2018 3:48 pm

“Given that the temperature in the atmosphere decreases with altitude, this means that the surface will be warmer than it would be in the absence of this atmosphere. This is what we call the greenhouse effect and, in pre-industrial times, it warmed the surface by about 33K”
.. sounds like the Gravity Thermal effect..

Nick Stokes
Reply to  sailboarder
March 19, 2018 4:32 pm

” where conditions precedent to the operation of feedback”
If the 255K is part of the signal, then the conditions precedent to the operation of the feedback would be 0K. ie the introduction of the Sun is said to be part of the signal.

Reply to  sailboarder
March 22, 2018 7:33 pm

In answer to Mr Stokes, the conditions precedent to the operation of temperature feedbacks are (1) the presence of a temperature, and (2) the presence of feedback mechanisms, such as the water vapor feedback, the lapse-rate feedback, the surface albedo feedback and the cloud feedbacks. Note that the presence of a radiative forcing (other than the feedbacks, which are of course forcings) is not a condition precedent to the operation of feedbacks.
It follows that, given the presence of the feedbacks I have mentioned, the emission temperature of 255.4 K will induce a feedback response, and that, since the emission temperature is 32 times the 8 K directly-forced greenhouse warming, the feedback response to emission temperature will dominate, greatly reducing the feedback response previously attributed to the direct greenhouse warming.

Reply to  ...and Then There's Physics
March 19, 2018 4:00 pm

In response to …and then there’s physics, see upthread, where I have explained how it is that, where conditions precedent to the operation of feedback are present in a dynamical system, even the unamplified input signal in that system (here, the 255.4 K emission temperature) will induce a feedback response. I am of course familiar with the fact that, as the planet warms in consequence of the feedback response to emission temperature, the mean apparent altitude from which that emission temperature is radiated to space will rise. That does not, however, affect the fact that a temperature feedback to emission temperature has operated.
Look at it thus. In the absence of any greenhouse gases or feedbacks, the surface temperature (which is the metric in which feedbacks are denominated) will be 255.4 K. However, the 255.4 K emission temperature induces a feedback of 23.4 K at the surface, making the surface temperature about 278.8 K. Now add the greenhouse gases, giving a direct warming of, say, 8 K. There will be an additional feedback of 0.7 K in response to the extra 8 K, nudging the surface temperature up and also nudging up the mean emission altitude at which the 255.4 K temperature prevails (here I’m assuming, for convenience, that the albedo and Planck parameter remain constant). Thus, there are some assumptions in our calculations, but we submit that they are not such as to affect our result significantly.

Kurt
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 19, 2018 6:32 pm

“the unamplified input signal in that system (here, the 255.4 K emission temperature) will induce a feedback response. . . . Look at it thus. In the absence of any greenhouse gases or feedbacks, the surface temperature (which is the metric in which feedbacks are denominated) will be 255.4 K. However, the 255.4 K emission temperature induces a feedback of 23.4 K at the surface, making the surface temperature about 278.8 K.”
I’m trying to make sense out of this argument of yours, but I’m not quite getting there. Again, a temperature is not a signal, any more than a voltage, or a mass, or a velocity is a signal. Signals have to change in order to be something that can be amplified. Your 255.4K emission temperature is the theoretical equilibrium state the Earth would be at with no GHGs; “equilibrium” means it’s not changing, and if it’s not changing it’s not going to rise to your 278.8K.
The internal “temperature” feedback that I think you are using in your analysis has already been baked into that 255.4 equilibrium temperature. In other words, given the Earth’s albedo in pre-industrial times, the Earth should in theory be at that temperature. Hence the difference between that and the measured temperature is assumed to be attributed to GHGs in the atmosphere, and then you can try to break that down into how much is attributed to water vapor, how much to CO2, etc.

Nick Stokes
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 19, 2018 8:04 pm

“Your 255.4K emission temperature is the theoretical equilibrium state the Earth would be at with no GHGs; “equilibrium” means it’s not changing, and if it’s not changing it’s not going to rise to your 278.8K.”
Indeed.

ferdberple
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 19, 2018 9:36 pm

Signals have to change in order to be something that can be amplified.
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that is not true. One can apply a constant current to a transistor and the transistor will amplify this. The amount of amplification depends on the transistor.
As I recall, 20 was a typical gain for power transistors. So for example, if you run a constant 1 amp current through the base, you will get 20 amps at the emitter.
The problem is the word “forcing”. Climate science uses this to mean the AC portion of the signal. But feedback circuits don’t just amplify the AC. They amplify the DC along with the AC, unless the DC is specifically eliminated with a capacitor.

ferdberple
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 19, 2018 9:56 pm

and if it’s not changing it’s not going to rise to your 278.8K.
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nope. for example: a circuit we used to make all the time was to amplify the output of a photo-diode to drive a light. The photo-diode only switched every 12 hours, as the sun rose and set. During the 12 hours in between there was no change in signal, but we were able to amplify this tiny signal using a darlington with a gain of 1000 to turn a relay on and off.
What we were amplifying for 12 hours was a constant signal, then after 12 hours the signal was gone, and we amplified nothing. To try and suggest that amplifiers only work on AC/forcing is nonsense. Had the earth stopped rotating, we would have had absolutely no problem amplifying the small DC signal present for any number of centuries. the light would have stayed on/off depending on the time of day the earth stopped rotating.
There would have been no loss of amplification if the signal was oscillating with 12 hour period, or not oscillating at all. If the “forcing” was constant, we would have had no problem amplifying this. there is no need for a signal to change to amplify the signal.
DC can be amplified just as easily as AC. It is a question of requirements. If you are driving speakers you probably don’t want to amplify the DC. However, if you are driving a non-latching relay you sure as heck better be sure to amplify the DC.

Nick Stokes
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 19, 2018 10:21 pm

“So for example, if you run a constant 1 amp current through the base, you will get 20 amps at the emitter.”
So what is the amplified “output” that corresponds to the 255K input?

Kurt
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 19, 2018 11:40 pm

ferdberple: I should probably have been more precise in my language. The concept of “feedback” only applies to a change in an input. Sure, an amplifier takes an input voltage and applies gain to it regardless of whether it’s changing, but a feedback loop will apply the feedback gain of A/(1-r) only in response to a change in the input state. So if you model the banking system with a money multiplier effect of 10x on the assumption that banks will keep a reserve of 10% on deposits and loan out the remaining 90%, and all loans get deposited into another bank, a change the input of say a $1 billion cash infusion by the Fed will theoretically result in a $10 billion increase in the money supply as the cash gets loaned out over and over again. But if there is no extra money thrown into or removed from the system, there’s no feedback. That’s what I was referring to.

Jaap Titulaer
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 20, 2018 3:04 am

>> The concept of “feedback” only applies to a change in an input.
Que? No feedback is feeding back (a part of the) output into the input. It certainly does not ‘only’ apply to any change in the input.

Serge Wright
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 20, 2018 3:10 am

I also have an electronics engineering background and whilst I’m leaning with Dr Roy, I do think you might be correct or perhaps your explanation is confusing.
Comparing the earth 255K In a hypothetical DC amp cct, the output would be sitting at Vo with no modulation (ie: flat DC output). However, the earth is not a DC amplifier and if we apply a 255 K input signal it will cause a corresponding FB due to water vapour, meaning the reference temperature for considering the effect of the non-condensing GHGs is 255 + this inherent water vapour feedback.
Is this what you’re trying to communicate ?

Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 20, 2018 6:24 am

Serge Wright is correct. There are various temperature feedbacks in the climate (i.e., forcings denominated in Watts per square meter per Kelvin of the original temperature that induced them). These feedbacks include the water vapor/lapse rate feedback, the surface albedo feedback and the cloud feedback. The feedbacks don’t care where the temperature that induces them: they care only about the magnitude of that temperature. For a temperature of 255 K, before any feedback and without any greenhouse gases, there will be a feedback response. For a temperature of 255 + 8 K, the 8 K being the directly-forced warming owing to the presence of the naturally-occurring, non-condensing greenhouse gases, there will be a slightly larger feedback response.
Otherwise, please explain how the temperature feedbacks I have mentioned are somehow capable of distinguishing between the 255 K emission temperature and the 8 K temperature driven directly by the presence of the pre-industrial non-condensing greenhouse gases? What is the magical mechanism that allows the feedbacks to draw this distinction. We could find no such mechanism in either of our test rigs.

...and Then There's Physics
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 20, 2018 7:10 am

For a temperature of 255 K, before any feedback and without any greenhouse gases, there will be a feedback response.

Feedbacks can only occur if there is some physical process that can provide a feedback response. Examples being (as you’ve already indicated) changes in water vapur, clouds, lapse rate. The 255K temperature is the effective radiative temperature of the planet, given current insolation and albedo values (i.e., it is the temperature of a blackbody that radiates the same average amount of energy per square metre per second as we emit into space if in energy equilibrium). If there is no atmosphere, then this is would be the effective temperature of the surface. Also, if there is no atmosphere, there are no feedbacks. Hence, there will be no feedback response. If we then add an atmosphere with greenhouse gases, then feedbacks start to operate and the surface temperature gets enhanced. However, in equilibrium, the amount of energy we radiate into space is unchanged – it is still the same as a 255K blackbody.

Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 20, 2018 9:01 am

In response to “….and then there’s physics”, I spent some time reading papers on the snowball Earth (Pierrehumbert 2011, assuming a snowball Earth with albedo 0.6, and Lacis (2010), assuming a waterbelt Earth with albedo 0.418. There was, of course, a nitrogen/oxygen atmosphere even in the absence of greenhouse gases. As soon as a waterbelt formed at the Equator, water vapor began to accumulate in the [atmosphere] and the melting of equatorial ice continued. Both of these are temperature feedbacks. Neither was driven by the non-condensing greenhouse gases.
The driving force was, of course, the pre-existing emission temperature of the Earth. Read Lacis (2010), which actually describes events that are plainly the consequences of feedback (such as the recession of equatorial ice and the accumulation of water vapor in the atmosphere) and cannot have been caused by feedbacks to the non-condensing greenhouse gases, because in that model there weren’t any yet.
If you still don’t accept that emission temperature induces a temperature feedback response, then please explain how it is that 255 K of temperature induces no feedback response, while adding just another 8 K from the directly-forced warming caused by the presence of the naturally-occurring, non-condensing greenhouse gases suddenly causes a feedback of 24 K. What is the magical process by which the feedback mechanisms know they must not respond to 255 K of temperature (or of warming compared with [absolute] zero), and yet that they must respond to just 8 K of additional temperature?

...and Then There's Physics
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 20, 2018 9:53 am

If you still don’t accept that emission temperature induces a temperature feedback response, then please explain how it is that 255 K of temperature induces no feedback response, while adding just another 8 K from the directly-forced warming caused by the presence of the naturally-occurring, non-condensing greenhouse gases suddenly causes a feedback of 24 K.

But this isn’t what is happening. The source of the energy is still the Sun and – for a fixed albedo – the outgoing, and incoming, energy fluxes are unchanged (they’re the same as a 255 K blackbody). What the greenhouse gases do is change how the energy flows within the system so that in order for the outgoing energy flux to match the incoming energy flux, the surface is warmer than it would otherwise be. The greenhouse gases don’t add 8K to an underlying 255K. What they do is essentially return some energy to the surface so that it warms relative to what it would be in the absence of these greenhouse gases (there are other ways to describe it, but this one consequence).
In the standard greenhouse effect, one could regard everything as a feedback (CO2 included). The reason that we differentiate between CO2 and the other responses (water vapour, clouds, lapse rate) is mainly because the CO2 does not precipitate and so plays a key role in setting the overall greenhouse effect.

Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 20, 2018 1:09 pm

Monckton of Brenchley March 19, 2018 at 4:00 pm
Look at it thus. In the absence of any greenhouse gases or feedbacks, the surface temperature (which is the metric in which feedbacks are denominated) will be 255.4 K. However, the 255.4 K emission temperature induces a feedback of 23.4 K at the surface, making the surface temperature about 278.8 K.

What is the feedback mechanism? The radiation from the surface passes through a transparent atmosphere, how does it feedback?

Nick Stokes
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 21, 2018 12:46 am

Serge Wright,
“if we apply a 255 K input signal it will cause a corresponding FB due to water vapour”
No 255K signal is applied. What is “applied” is sunlight, but in fact that has always been there, and hasn’t changed. Someone calculated that a temperature of 255 K would emit an IR flux that would balance the sunlight. That isn’t an “input”, it is a calculation. If you think there is enough wv to make a difference between the emission location (which still has to average 255K) and the surface, then OK, the surface average will be calculated as something different than 255 K. It still doesn’t change, and there is nothing to amplify. It terms of an electronic active device, it just has a different operating point.

Serge Wright
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 21, 2018 1:04 am

i now agree with LM. The real issue here relates to the assumption that the earth has a static 255K temperature in the absence of GHGs. This is a flawed assumption and we need to add an arbitrary value (eg:23.4K) before determining the forcings of the non-condensing GHGs. If we could remove all GHGs and set the Earth to 255K, it obviously would not remain at this temperature due to water vapour

Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 22, 2018 7:27 pm

I am delighted that Serge Wright sees what “Phil,” and Mr Stokes do not: namely, that in the absence of the naturally-occurring, non-condensing greenhouse gases feedbacks will still be present, in the shape of the water vapor feedback, the surface albedo feedback and the cloud feedbacks, for instance. Therefore, since temperature feedbacks respond to temperature, they will respond to the emission temperature, even in the absence of any non-condensing greenhouse gases. As you rightly then point out, one must try to derive some sort of estimate of the magnitude of the feedback response to emission temperature, and deduct that estimate from what was previously thought to be the feedback response to the non-condensing greenhouse gases. Illustratively, I have assumed that the feedback fraction would be the same for the response to the emission temperature as it is to the 8 K of additional temperature from the non-condensing greenhouse gases.That feedback fraction is simply 1 – (255 + 8) / 287.5, or 0.08. Then 23.4 K is the feedback response to emission temperature, and 0.7 K is the feedback response to the small direct greenhouse warming.
Other apportionments can be made, and all manner of arguments can be entered into about nonlinearities in the system, but the central point remains: the emission temperature is 32 times the direct greenhouse warming and, therefore, the feedback response to it is going to dominate.

angech
Reply to  ...and Then There's Physics
March 20, 2018 12:53 am

…and Then There’s Physics
“This is very confused. ”
” 255K is the effective radiative temperature of the planet. Given an albedo of about 0.3 and given the current solar insolation, energy equilibrium would require us emitting – into space – as much energy per square metre per second as a 255 K blackbody.”
Except that as CO2 has gone up some people believe that energy from the sun is being squirreled away into the sea [and delaying ECS estimation. Your comment, as a believer of this, should really state that we are emitting slightly less than a 255K blackbody until such time [never?] as we reach ECS.

“Given that the temperature in the atmosphere decreases with altitude, this means that the surface will be warmer than it would be in the absence of this ** atmosphere.”
Overall, not everywhere.
The atmosphere actually shields the earth from the full effect of the sun’s rays.
Albedo Earth 0.306, moon 0.11, so roughly 20% of the suns SW is reflected back into space, The IR does not reach the surface.
Hence The earths surface [basically the same distance from the sun], does not receive as much energy as the moon’s surface does during insolation.
The surface of the moon and of the earth if it had no atmosphere is actually warmer than the surface of the earth when the sun is shining on the earth in either situation for a very large area of the lit half of the globe.

The earth’s surface does receive extra energy from the GHG effect. Mainly from water vapour I believe. See Monckton ” the greenhouse effect. There is. It can be measured in the laboratory, and is evident regardless of the pressure of the atmospheric mixture. The quantum mechanism is well understood, and is even touched upon in the head posting.”
** You do realise that some radiatively active gases might have an albedo effect higher than there radiative effect? In which case a radiatively active gas could actually cool the atmosphere. Perhaps Xenon or ozone in the air around a planet close to a white dwarf.

Roger Knights
March 19, 2018 3:50 pm

“… the global warming scare was indeed based on a strikingly elementary error of physics.”
If only the opposing attorney’s name were Watson, you’d havea setup for “a perfect squelch”!

Earthling2
March 19, 2018 4:16 pm

Question 5 from the Judge…
“5. Apart from CO2, what happens to the collective heat from tail pipe exhausts, engine radiators, and all other heat from combustion of fossil fuels?”
I am stunned that neither skeptics or alarmists ever address this issue in much detail, or dismissed by both sides as a fart in the wind, especially the alarmists, since obviously it is all AGW. Or the Urban Heat Island (UHI) generated by massive cities and everything on the planet, including massive Land Use change in forestry and agriculture, or massive irrigation of the planet or human induced Albedo and thermal sinks which would fit several of the multiple human categories. Why do we continue to ignore the obvious, that we are generating huge amounts of thermal heat as well into the lower atmosphere, which takes some time to also circulate poleward where the heat is lost to space on the way. This must have some major effect on the temps in northern pole regions and ice at sea level, especially given that the majority of land mass and human concentration is in the northern hemisphere. And this where we see the greatest effect, in temp increase or melt of Sea Ice.
Obviously, if we accept that there is some warming from thermal effects of humans’ existence over large parts of the planet by 7.6 Billion people now, then we must reduce the effect of CO2 warming accordingly. Blaming the small amount of warming we have had in 150 years since the worst of the LIA, all on AGW CO2, is a fools errand, especially thinking it is all bad. If anything, any warming that humans have introduced to Earth the last 150 years is an insurance policy on our survival as a civilization, to natural forces that are always trending to cooling, as we see throughout all of of history. And that is always Cooling, either from natural variation, or Solar effects we are just starting to understand, or sudden vulcanism that is chaotic in nature. We see that at in the depths of our Ice Ages’ the last 2.5 million years, that CO2 is approaching a low 180 ppmv, which is the possibility of extinction of C3 and C4 plant life, essential to all land based life. If anything, the planet is approaching CO2 starvation levels for the majority of time now, given that full blown ice house conditions are now the normal for the majority of time on the good Earth.
The question really should be now, is not how much additional warming is attributed to our collective CO2 AGW Footprint, but how much warming is attributed to our general Human Footprint. We may just find that reducing CO2 does little to reduce any temperatures, especially if we consider our thermal heat contribution to the planet at all scales is more than just additional CO2. Notwithstanding that 7.6 Billion humans just breathing is approximately 8% of all current CO2 emissions from all human sources, or that each human alive generates approximately 100 Watts of thermal energy heat, or 760 million KW. This is all collectively a lot of thermal heat to the atmosphere, most of which is ignored.
The Judge IMHO is certainly asking the right questions. And no matter what judgement he makes on this,(assuming one is made or it goes to trial) it can be appealed by either side to higher courts, and presumably all the way to SCOTUS. If all the facts, including Question 5 are under scrutiny, I have no doubt that sooner or later, well reasoned Justices’ would have to conclude that the sensitivity of CO2 itself on the climate is smallish-warmish, but net beneficial and there are are many other sources of warming from humankind other than CO2 that will be forever with us as long as we have a large population.

March 19, 2018 4:28 pm

This discussion ignores the fact that this case will ultimately be decided on both science and political considerations. Politicians and bureaucrats have interpreted Principle 15 (Precautionary Principle) from the UN 1992 Rio Declaration to mean that, if one can hypothesize a one percent possibility of runaway global warming, measures to respond to that perceived threat are justified. Compelling scientific evidence of a threat of serious consequences becomes a moot point. I call this the one-percent solution.
The fallacy with this application of the Principle is that the probability of environmental issues associated with runaway global warming would be no greater those associated with runaway global cooling. However, policies to address the warming case would be diametrically opposite to those appropriate for the cooling case. The damage that would be done by implementing policies based on the wrong premise, a warming or a cooling planet, nullifies arguments to take any actions until the science is right. Given a probability curve showing the likelihood of future global temperatures, lawmakers now focus only on the high temperature tail of a two-tailed probability curve of future global temperatures to develop environmental policies.
Realistically, the forecast probabilities of long-term temperatures today can only be described by a rectangular probability distribution, all temperatures between the maximum high and low probabilities, are equally likely. Until the forecast range of possible temperatures can be reduced such that environmental policies make sense for all likely temperatures, no actions can be warranted.
A second issue is the limit of this discussion to linear analyses of temperature trends. The planet could be nearing the end of the present inter-glacial period. I assume solar forcing adds a sinusoidal component to the temperature trend. Although I have little knowledge of what is under the hood of the GCMs, I would think solar forcing should be mentioned somewhere in the analysis. The premise here seems to be that the temperature will continue to increase. The only unknown is the rate of increase.
My simple analysis (figure below) shows that the rate of increase (first derivative) of the global mean temperature trend-line has been constant or steadily decreasing since October 2000. The HadCRUT4 temperature anomaly has decreased by nearly 50 percent from March 2016, the El Nino peak, to January 2018. The rate of change of the trend-line will likely become negative within the next 20 years, reaching the lowest global mean trend-line temperature in almost 40 years. (draft ref: An-Analysis-of-the-Mean-Global-Temperature-in-2031 at http://www.uh.edu/nsm/earth-atmospheric/people/faculty/tom-bjorklund/). Lower temperatures could persist for decades. If this argument can be shown to have merit, the California case simply goes away. There is no man-made cause of rising sea levels. There will be no damages. The State can pay court costs and a penalty for filing a frivolous lawsuitcomment image

John A Smith
March 19, 2018 4:34 pm

Just a very small query: why is the ‘degrees Celcius’ symbol given as C° and not the universally accepted °C in the first two figures? I’ve noted this before in Lord Monckton’s posts and I know it shouldn’t bother me… but I’m a copy editor for scientific publications and it does.

Reply to  John A Smith
March 19, 2018 5:46 pm

Lord Monckton’s editor told him to remain stetfast.

Reply to  Max Photon
March 20, 2018 9:42 am

No one? Come on, that’s funny.

Hugs
Reply to  Max Photon
March 20, 2018 2:31 pm

Lost in translation. Stetfast is what?
C˚ is a bit odd. Just use K.

Reply to  Max Photon
March 20, 2018 4:09 pm

Stet is a form of the Latin verb sto, stare, steti, statum, originally used by proofreaders and editors to instruct the typesetter or writer to disregard a change the editor or proofreader had previously marked.

Reply to  John A Smith
March 19, 2018 5:48 pm

I’m proofreading a Hungarian mathematician’s book, and the woman who helps him write it up is named Edit.

Hugs
Reply to  Max Photon
March 20, 2018 2:34 pm

She probably has her File in good order.

Reply to  John A Smith
March 20, 2018 6:27 am

In answer to John A. Smith, in my postings I use the degree symbol followed by the letter “C” for absolute temperatures in degrees Celsius, and the two symbols the other way about for temperature changes in Celsius degrees. This is by no means a universal convention, but it adds a little clarity.

HankHenry
March 19, 2018 4:41 pm

Is T(Natural) air temp or combined air and sea temp?

March 19, 2018 5:11 pm

I’ve linked to this article here
https://cliscep.com/2018/03/19/monckton-and-the-engineer-judge/
and cosmology prof Ken Rice AKA …AND THEN THERE’S PHYSICS has provided a critical commentary. Comments appreciated.

ngard2016
March 19, 2018 5:16 pm

At Dr Curry’s blog Nic Lewis is having another look at ECS. This is part one.
https://judithcurry.com/2018/03/19/emergent-constraints-on-climate-sensitivity-part-i/

March 19, 2018 5:24 pm

The Climate Changes models on trial
Alarmists are still in denial
Elementary flaw
was the models last straw.
The feedback does not move the dial. https://lenbilen.com/2018/03/19/climate-change-on-trial-in-san-francisco-wednesday-a-limerick/

March 19, 2018 5:26 pm

You have got to be kidding.
A first year student of control theory would fail her/his first midterm exam if she/he didn’t know that any key variable that changes in a feedback loop, changes things. One identifies things that change and at least estimates their effects before didmissing them as irrelevant. DeltaT/Delta(t) might look insignificant at first glance for ~2 degree K/~300 degree K… but did no one run the 2 minute calculation?
Some of the earth’s heat escapes…and the hotter it gets, the more escapes. That’s not in the models?
Never mind all the other (absent) negative feedbacks that were omitted by the Warmunists.
Is this really true? I gave “them” the benefit of the doubt that they were competent scientists…at least procedurally (else peer-reviewers toss you work back in your face with thinly disguised insulting remarks – makes them feel powerful, I guess).

Reply to  docsiders
March 19, 2018 6:36 pm

Speaking of students of control theory, some people here might really appreciate this marvelously clear, simple, and visual explanation of the Kalman filter — arguably one of the most important and useful pieces of applied mathematics of the past century.
How A Kalman Filter Works, In Pictures
http://www.bzarg.com/p/how-a-kalman-filter-works-in-pictures/

save energy
March 19, 2018 6:17 pm

And if the plaintiffs win there is always the fall-back position…
ALL oil companies cease & desist supply of all oil-based products into California until the judgment has been successfully appealed;
a few weeks with no oil products will concentrate the ( Precautionary Principle ) mind
When you are saving the planet theres no gain without pain !!
Nobody need die, they just emigrate & become victims of ‘Mann made change’, maybe Al Gore will take them in ???

bitchilly
Reply to  save energy
March 19, 2018 7:33 pm

i have maintained that should happen all along. either the sensible people will beat some sense into the alarmists after a few days without food or everyone would understand the reality of life without fossil fuels and associated products and become “d*niers” before the companies ever pulled out. only one way to find out though.

Kurt
Reply to  bitchilly
March 19, 2018 11:44 pm

Just out of curiosity, is your “name” an adjective or an adverb? I’ve been meaning to ask for a while. I can read it either way, and the meaning really changes depending on the grammar. Or are you trying to play on that ambiguity?

save energy
Reply to  bitchilly
March 20, 2018 1:56 am

Kurt,
“is your “name” an adjective or an adverb?” …Yes.
“Or are you trying to play on that ambiguity?” … Maybe.
Having lived a comfortable long life (entirely due to society’s use of energy), been brought up in a ‘waste not – want not’ family & worked in applied physics all my life; I’m a proponent of the conservation of energy.
I hope you approve of my pellucidity (:-))

MarkMcD
March 19, 2018 6:30 pm

From the OP:
“The parties will not be able to dismiss our result lightly. To refute it, they would have to show that our pre-industrial feedback fraction f = 0.08, obtained by theoretical means rooted in mainstream control theory, is incorrect; that our industrial-era value f = 0.05, obtained empirically from IPCC’s estimate of the net anthropogenic forcing to date and from the HadCRUT4 temperature record, is also incorrect; that our campaign of ten empirical calculations giving a mean feedback fraction f = 0.12, is incorrect; that the rate of observed warming over the past 68 years is either incorrect or irrelevant; that the rate of observed warming this century to date is also either incorrect or irrelevant; that the results from our test rig are inapplicable; that the results from a government laboratory are likewise inapplicable; and, above all, that it is justifiable to assume that control theory is wrong and that, per impossibile. 255.4 K of emission temperature generates no feedback at all, while the next 8 K of warming suddenly causes 24 K of feedback, as if by magic.”
Unfortunately the first sentence contains an unfounded assumption.
In the Church of AGW and the MSM they do not have to refute anything – they simply attack and cast aspersions.
It’s a mistake made by Curry & Co against Mann in the Senate hearings – they expected the Science would convince and that their moderate assertions, qualified by caution, would have meaning.
Instead, amidst lies and rank propaganda, Mann came across as far more authoritative – the actual scientists never got the chance to address his lies.
One can only trust the Judge has a finer appreciation of how things should be, but it would be naive to expect the plaintiffs to actually use science or even logic to attempt to defeat this paper.
they can’t and they will not try and propaganda almost always wins over Science.

Reply to  MarkMcD
March 20, 2018 6:31 am

In response to Mark McD, even if one expects one’s opponents not to be amenable to reason, one should never despair of attempting to use reason. For otherwise the Forces of Darkness need only say they refuse to listen to any argument and, if we respond by not offering one, they win. It is the faculty of reason, the central charism or property of the soul in Christian theology, that marks us out most clearly from the beasts and brings us closest to the Divine. We should not be faint-hearted, then: we should use the gift we have been given. As the old apocryphal text put it, “Great is truth, and might above all things” – provided that someone has the courage to try to speak it.

Roger Knights
Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 20, 2018 9:25 am

Good for you. But there’s a typo—”might” should be “mighty”

Faye
March 19, 2018 6:34 pm

What’s the point?
Our foes don’t care about truth and science. They arrive at their ‘science’ via adjustments and make believe computer models. They have sucked in the politicians, media, corporations, do-gooders and blood suckers.
There is money to be made with their absolutely fantastic worldwide guilt laden scary program.
THE SOLUTION: Take away their sources of money and they shrivel up and die.

Reply to  Faye
March 20, 2018 5:01 pm

Yet another commenter who wonders what is the point of speaking the truth. The point of speaking the truth is that if no one speaks it lies prevail and people die.

March 19, 2018 6:49 pm

Christopher,
The mathematics behind the sensitivity equations rely upon a doubling of CO2 to allow another physical parameter to be slipped out of the the discussion. That other parameter is mass.
This is an example of correct mathematics, but incorrect physics being assumed as a consequence of the maths.
In terms of doubling, intuitively, one is pressed to attribute any physical change to a CO2 doubling of 1 molecule to 2 molecules in the atmosphere. Even a doubling from 1 million to 2 million molecules. There is a limit on the ability of the CO2 molecule to cope with the energetics, It must be possible to estimate the minimum concentration of CO2 in the air before its doubling can be quantified, but one never seems to see this calculation. I have no idea of the answer.
Above, you note “The zero-dimensional model is not explicitly used in general-circulation models.” Maybe in arriving at a zero-dimension state, there has been a drop out of a similar, other physical parameter that is not linear over the range studied and beyond it.
I like what I am reading in your essay. Keep well, Geoff.

Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
March 20, 2018 5:00 pm

In reply to Mr Sherrington, the zero-dimensional model equation reproduces exactly the Charney-sensitivity interval predicted by the CMIP3 and CMIP5 generations of general-circulation models if it is informed with the official inputs. The equation is, of course, a linear equation, but it still works, not least because its output is nonlinear. We have also made generous allowance for nonlinearities in the feedback fraction. because it is in reality so small, nonlinearities don’t make much difference.

willhaas
March 19, 2018 7:20 pm

The IPCC has never been able to determine what the feedbacks actually are or they would have able to narrow there guestamate as the the climate sensivity of CO2 After more than two decades of effort they have learned nothing that would allow them to narrow their range of guessed one iota.. I believe there are a lot more serious problems with the AGW conjecture then just the feedback problem.
The environmental lapse rate should correlate with the insulation effects of the atmosphere. The higher the lapse rate the more insulating is the atmosphere. If CO2 really affected climate then the increase in CO2 over the past 30 years should have caused at least a measureable increase in the dry lapse rate in the troposphere but that has not happened. In terms of the measured effect of CO2 on the lapse rate over the past 30 years, the climate sensivity of CO2 is zero. The climate sensivity of CO2 being a small number is a good reason why no one has been able to actually measure it. Theoretically, a doubling of CO2 should slightly lower the dry lapse rate which is a cooling effect. Based on how CO2 should effect the dry lapse rate. the climate sensitivity of CO2 should be slightly negative.
For those that believe in a radiative greenhouse effect, the initial radiametric calculations performed decades ago came up with a value for the climate sensivity of CO2 neglecting feedbacks of 1.2 degrees C. One researcher has pointed out that these initial calculations failed to take into consideration that a doubling of CO2 in the tropshere will cause a slight decrease in the dry lapse rate in the troposphere. That decrease in the lapse rate will cause a reduction of the climate sensivity of CO2 by more than a factor of 20. So now we have a value for the climate sensivity of CO2 excluding feedbacks of less than .06 degrees C.
An important part of the AGW conjecture is that H2O provides a positive feedback to any CO2 based warming. The idea is that CO2 based warming causes more H2O to enter the atmosphere which causes even more warming because H2O is also a so called greenhouse gas with LWIR absorption bands. The IPCC really is not sure how strong this positive feedback effect is but they seem to like to use numbers like 3. H2O is actually a stronger absorber of IR than is CO2 and according to greenhouse gas theory is by far the primary greenhouse gas so much so that the addition of CO2 is trivial. However; the AGW conjecture ignore’s the fact that besides being the primary greenhouse gas, H2O is a primary coolant in the Earth’s atmosphere transfering heat energy from the Earth’s surface, which for the most part involves some sort of H2O, to where clouds form via the heat of vaporization. According to some energy balance models, more heat energy is moved by H2O via the heat of vaporization then by both oonvection and LWIR absorption band radiation combined. The net cooling effect of H2O is evidenced by the fact that the wet lapse rate is significantly less than the dry lapse rate. Hence rather than amplify the climate sensivity of CO2 by a factor of 3 a more realistic effect would be to reduce the climate senisvity of CO2 by a factor of three yielding a climate sensivity of CO2 of less than .02 degrees C which is a trivial amount.
The AGW conjecture depends upon the existance of a greenhouse effect caused by trace gases in the Earth’s atmosphere with LWIR absorption bands. A real greenhouse does not stay warm because of LWIR absorbing heat trapping gases. A real greenhouse stays warm becaue the glass reduces cooling by convection. It is a convective greenhouse effect that keeps a real greenhouse warm and not a radiative greenhouse effect. So too on Earth. Gravity and the heat capacity of the atmosphere act to provide a convective greenhouse effect that keeps the Earth’s surface on average 33 degrees C warmer than it would be otherwise. 33 degrees C is the amount derived from first principals and 33 degrees C is the amount that has been observed. No additional warming has been observed that could be attributed to a radiant greenhouse effect. The radiant greenouse effect has not been observed in a real greenhouse, on Earth, or on any planet in the solar system with a thick atmosphere. The radiant greenhouse effect is science fiction so hence the AGW conjecture is science fiction. Without a radiant greenhouse effect the climate sensivity of CO2 cannot be greater than zero.
It is tempting at first to believe that CO2 causes waming because it has LWIR absorption bands but the reality is that all good absorpers are also good radiators and heat transfer by convection and couduction dominates in the troposphere. CO2 does not trap heat any more than any other gas in the Earth’s atmosphere. If CO2 were a great insulator then there would most probably be some engineering applacations there CO2 was uses as an insulator but no such applications exist.
There is evidence in the paleoclimate record that warmer temperature cause more CO2 to enter the atmopshere which is because warmer water cannot hold as much CO2 as cooler water, but there is no real evidence that the additional CO2 adds to any warming. Climate models, really computer simulations of climate, that have hard coded in that more CO2 causes warming. beg the question and hence are useless in terms of acertaining whether CO2 affects climate. These climate models have failed to adequately predict today’s global temperatures and hence have been wrong. If anything these simulations show that icreasing CO2 is not the cause of the climate change we are experiencing today.
Considering all what I have presented above, a good value for the climate sensivity of CO2 would be zero. Hence adding CO2 to the atmosphere through the burning of fossil fuels has no effect on climate. Based on the paleoclimate record and and the work done with models one can conclude that the climate change we have been experiencing is caused by the sun and the oceans. So Mother Nature is really the party they sould be litigating against. Lots of luck trying to connect on a judgement against Mother Nature.

Reply to  willhaas
March 20, 2018 2:19 am

willhaas March 19, 2018 at 7:20 pm
Interesting points on lapse rate because according to climate science, which seems to acknowledge that a real greenhouse doesn’t warm by trapping IR (this fact is my “what did you just say?” moment,) what CO2 is doing is raising the emission height but not changing the lapse rate; they count back from the TOA using the lapse rate to get the surface temp. This alleged new emission height has never been measured. Neither has the alleged distortion of the lapse rate, as described by infrared cooling models, been measured. But wait– the lapse rate is distorted yet remains the same?

pochas94
Reply to  Don132
March 20, 2018 4:14 am

You seem to understand the problem. I would add that it is a convective troposphere, and convection is what recovers the lapse rate and dominates radiative effects near the surface. This is why there is no “hot spot” and an undetectable effect from CO2.

willhaas
Reply to  Don132
March 20, 2018 10:54 am

The effective radiating altitude is at the middle of mass of the atmosphere and has nothing to do with the LWIR absorption properties of some trace gases. The top of the troposphere is also a matter of pressure only. They keep changing the AGW conjecture but it is still based on only partial science. If they really knew tha if and how CO2 affected the effective radiating altitude then they would be able to provide a precise value for the climate sensivity of CO2. The biggest effect they have claimed is that CO2 warming increases the amount of H2O in the atmosphere which enhances warming because H2O is also a greenhouse gas. But in reality, the wet lapse rate is significantly lower than the dry lapse rate so the addition of H2O to the atmosphere acts to cool and not warm the Earth’s surface. Read carefyully and critically descriptions of the so called “greenhoues effect” and you will realize that it is all science fiction.

Reply to  Don132
March 20, 2018 11:33 am

willhaas March 20, 2018 at 10:54 am
Willhaas, that makes sense. In fact, it makes too much sense. Suggest you fold this into a theory such that we get lost in the theory and then can’t make sense of anything except what’s consistent within our own favored paradigm. Don’t bother to ground the theory in experiment– apparently we don’t do that anymore. Nowadays it’s only sufficient that we confuse and dazzle everyone for the theory to be successful. Above all, ridicule everyone who attacks your pet theory: you’re not to be interested in the truth, but only in defending your paradigm.
That should clear things up.

Philip Mulholland
Reply to  willhaas
March 20, 2018 2:31 am

willhaas

It is a convective greenhouse effect that keeps a real greenhouse warm and not a radiative greenhouse effect

Thank you for your superb précis of the Convective Greenhouse Effect (CGE).
Roy Spencer (above) states “it has been known since at least 1964 (Manabe & Strickler) that any estimate of the greenhouse effect around 33 deg C. is NOT actually an estimate of the greenhouse effect, since it includes the surface cooling effect of convection”.
Are there any other papers you can reference that describe the CGE in detail?

willhaas
Reply to  Philip Mulholland
March 20, 2018 2:45 am

Try doing a search on “The Greenhouse Equation”.

Philip Mulholland
Reply to  Philip Mulholland
March 20, 2018 4:47 am

Using your suggestion this comes top of the search list:-
The Shattered Greenhouse: How Simple Physics Demolishes the “Greenhouse Effect”.
Thanks

March 19, 2018 7:21 pm

Lord Monckton
I agree with Dr. Spencer. Your equation is not the same as the feedback equation used in atmospheric physics. Equation 2 (feedback equation) and your Equation 4 are not equivalent. The forcing is change in temperature (dT) while you use absolute temperature Tref and Teq. Whatever your conclusions may be, they are not comparable because your using a different equation. To avoid doubt, consult Prof. Lindzen. I think he will agree with me that your equation is not comparable to the feedback equation.

Reply to  Dr. Strangelove
March 19, 2018 7:52 pm

dTref and dTeq are temperature response to a 1 W/m^2 TOA forcing or radiative imbalance
Tref and Teq are not temperature response to a forcing. Tref = 255 + 8 = 263 K is absolute temperature without greenhouse gases. Teq = 287 K is absolute temperature with greenhouse gases.
Totally different concepts. Comparing apples and oranges

Reply to  Dr. Strangelove
March 20, 2018 6:36 am

Dr Strangelove is of course correct to say that the modified equation shown as (4) in the head posting is not the same as the feedback equation used in atmospheric physics. That is because the latter equation makes no allowance for feedback induced by the emission temperature, which simply does not appear in that equation anywhere.
The matter would perhaps be more simply understood if climatology were to use the correct feedback equation, which states that the output signal is the ratio of the product of the input signal and the direct-gain factor to (1 minus the product of the direct-gain factor and the feedback fraction). The correct equation makes a clear separation between the input signal, the direct amplification of it in the gain block, and the feedback block.

Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 21, 2018 3:11 am

If you want to use the feedback equation for amplifier circuit, you should not use temperature because it is not equivalent to voltage. The latter is potential energy of electrons while temperature is not energy but a response to heat energy and they are non-linearly related. So you cannot substitute temperature for heat energy. Instead use the energy flux (W/m^2) in the feedback equation.
The input signal is the solar irradiance hitting Earth’s surface. The output signal is total emission from the surface. The gain is equal to the greenhouse effect since surface emission is LW infrared that is absorbed by greenhouse gases.

Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
March 24, 2018 12:43 pm

In response to Dr Strangelove, temperature feedbacks are denominated not in Watts per square meter per Watt per square meter of the forcing that drove the temperature that induced them, but in Watts per square meter per Kelvin of the temperature that induced them. One can go through various contortions to do the calculation differently, but climatology does it the way we do it, so Dr Strangelove’s concern should really be addressed to climatology generally and not to us.
We have adopted the straightforward Classical approach of accepting ad argumentum all equations, values and methods used by official climatology, except where we say climatology has erred. That does not mean that we believe that on all these matters official climatology is correct: merely that we can show that, even if it is correct, there will be too little global warming to matter.

rd50
March 19, 2018 7:21 pm

When Monckton of Brenchley presents something here he ALWAYS answers questions, comments, etc.
He does it in a way to inform.
Thank you again.

Reply to  rd50
March 20, 2018 6:38 am

I’m most grateful to RD50 for his kind words. I do my best to answer as many on-topic points as possible. What is remarkable about this thread is that, with a few exceptions, people have mostly stayed on topic and have avoided ad-hominem attacks. This is how such threads ought to work, and it is a great tribute to Anthony and his indefatigable moderators that this is proving to be such a useful forum for discussing the ideas outlined in the head posting.

Dont SendMail
March 19, 2018 7:30 pm

we’re saving 153 Million lives here … case closed … https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/03/180319145243.htm

Philip Mulholland
Reply to  Dont SendMail
March 20, 2018 4:13 am

DSM
I agree with you that saving lives is good and air pollution should be curtailed, but carbon dioxide is not a polluting gas, it is the gas of life for all plants.
By adding carbon dioxide to the atmosphere satellite data shows that the land surface has greened by at least 15%. That greening is primary productivity for all land animals in the food web. Put simply the land based carrying capacity of our planet has increased by 15%. The current estimate of human population on earth is 7.6 Billion. Now X + 0.15X = 7.6 Billion so X = 6.609 Billion This means that 991 Million people are alive today and now have food who would otherwise be starving but for the effect of the industrial emissions of carbon dioxide gas supporting the biosphere.

Mike Slay
March 19, 2018 7:47 pm

Very interesting, but I fear that the feedback is not meant to be a constant over the entire possible temperature range. Specifically, might it be expected to be 0 below freezing (273 degrees Kelvin)?

Reply to  Mike Slay
March 20, 2018 6:40 am

Mr Slay is perhaps confusing the feedback fraction and the feedback response. The feedback fraction, determined by a theoretical method for the pre-industrial era and by an empirical method for the industrial era, appears to be quite close to constant. At any rate, it is very small. However, the feedback response will of course vary with the temperature that induced it. And we don’t need to consider what would happen at 0 K, because the present combination of insolation and albedo give us a starting temperature, before any feedback has acted and before there are any greenhouse gases, of 255 K.

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