Guest essay by Eric Worrall
h/t Willie Soon & Quadrant Online – the following are excerpts from a climate report which the Hewlett Packard website describes as a collaboration between HP Labs and Forum for the Future.
2028: Jean-Claude Bertillon, leader of the No Climate Change Party in Canada, is convicted of denying the existence of climate change. He is deported to the international convict settlement on Kerguelen in the Southern Ocean.
Read more: (p52): https://www.forumforthefuture.org/sites/default/files/project/downloads/climate-futures.pdf
Governments push markets to the very limit of what they can deliver. In different ways in different countries, economies have been forcibly re-orientated to focus on dealing with climate change, in much the same way as sometimes happens in times of war. But in most cases this has happened gradually, ratcheting up over time, with citizens surrendering control of their lives piecemeal rather than all at once, as trading regimes, international law, lifestyles and business have responded to the growing environmental crisis. And so in 2030, greenhouse gas emissions are beginning to decline, but the cost to individual liberty has been great.
Read more (p 8): Same link as above
… in some countries a licence is now required to have children and these are awarded according to a points system. Climate-friendly behaviour means points…
It is not unusual for governments to monitor household energy consumption in real time, with warnings sent to homes that exceed their quotas. For example, citizens could be told to turn off certain appliances such as washing machines or kettles or even have them switched off remotely. …
Read more (p55): Same link as above
The Quadrant Online article contains other nauseating details of the author’s grim climate fantasies, or you can simply read the report itself.
Two of the authors named on the report, Chris Preist and Paul Shabajee, are described as being members of the HP Labs team.
I hope the association of Hewlett Packard’s name with this piece of fascist green filth is a ghastly mistake. I would hate to think a senior Hewlett Packard executive in a position of responsibility had detailed awareness of the repulsive contents of this report, yet allowed it to be published anyway.
Backup PDF copies here (in case they disappear):
HP Labs and Forum for the Future explore future climate change scenarios
NOTE: This article was accidentally published by the guest author (Eric Worrall) before it was ready and reviewed, and he took it down immediately after realizing his mistake. It happens, the “Publish” and “Save Draft” buttons in the editor are close together and I’ve done it occasionally as well. There’s no “are you sure?” prompt. A tweet was automatically generated when Eric accidentally hit publish, and that may have caused some people to go looking for it and finding nothing. All this happened while I was asleep. I’ve restored the post after review and placing backup PDF copies – Anthony
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Report archived at:
https://web.archive.org/web/20180109202542/https://www.forumforthefuture.org/sites/default/files/project/downloads/climate-futures.pdf
http://archive.is/6k3rc
http://www.webcitation.org/6wLkPcFtn
and this article:
https://web.archive.org/web/20180109203044/https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/01/09/hewlett-packard-report-includes-planned-penal-colonies-for-climate-skeptics/
http://archive.is/iZtm9
http://www.webcitation.org/6wLknM1f9
“2028: Jean-Claude Bertillon, leader of the No Climate Change Party in Canada, is convicted of denying the existence of climate change. He is deported to the international convict settlement on Kerguelen in the Southern Ocean.”
2029: year with no summer, Great lakes remained frozen thought the year. Scientists cannot agree about cause, large majority blames luck of solar activity, no sunspots were observed for nearly six years, while dwindling minority, headed by the ageing Dr. Mann, are maintaining that it was due to the run-away global warming as he predicted more than 10 years earlier.
2030, September: Great lakes still frozen, trickle of Canadians driving across lakes has turned into torrent.
Russian nuclear powered Arctic Ice breaker, which was meant to cut wide furrow across the lakes to stop vehicular crossing was reported blown by French speaking separatist when attempted to enter St. Lawrence river.
President Ivanka Trump sends all available heavy tanks patrolling the lakes’, but commanders refuse to shoot at vehicles. In her desperation she orders immediate erection of the LLB (Lethal Laser Border, as employed in mid-2020s on the Mexican border) in order to bring to a halt the flood of the Canadian climate refugees. (sarc fiction)
The irony is that this draconian existence is already coming to fruition in Australia where recently because of our green policies and over reliance on renewables, certain businesses were told to shut down during extreme heat conditions or face blackouts. The greenies are already using energy policy to control our lives.
smart meters CAN and are designed to allow power cos to cut/reduce power to any premises as they choose. wrecking the fridge freezer or aircon..wont be on their heads , until maybe a huge event and then following claims of damages hit the insurance cos for burnt out motors etc
Smart meters cannot cut or reduce power. All they do is report usage.
https://www.uswitch.com/gas-electricity/guides/smart-meters-explained/
https://www.uswitch.com/gas-electricity/guides/smart-meters-explained/
“Smart meters cannot cut or reduce power.”
This says otherwise.
If you have a ‘smart meter’
If you have a smart energy meter in your home, your supplier could potentially disconnect your supply remotely without needing to access to your meter. However, before they do this, they must have:
contacted you to discuss options for repaying your debt, eg through a repayment plan
visited your home to assess your personal situation and whether this would affect you being disconnected, eg if you’re disabled or elderly
If they don’t do this and they try and disconnect you, make a complaint to your supplier.
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/consumer/energy/energy-supply/problems-with-your-energy-supply/if-youve-been-told-your-energy-supply-will-be-disconnected/
It is certainly the case that some “Smart Meters” contain a set of high current contacts connected to a solenoid.
Also, “Smart Meters” can and will alter the tariff at times of high demand or whenever the power company deems it necessary without informing the user.
Anyone got any more scare mongering to throw out here?
I did post scary one but got stuck somewhere in the works.
Ah I see, we should ignore suggestions in an official company report that climate skeptics should be deprived of liberty and thrown into penal colonies because thats just “scaremongering”.
Well, Eric, while it is alarming on the surface, it is a ludicrous speculation, and the report and the proposals alone make Hewlett Packard legally liable to a class action lawsuit for even suggesting such a threat. It may be “guilt by association”, but the fact that it is now 10 years old and HP hasn’t retracted it, or recused themselves from it says that they approve of it. As you said, those are “suggestions”. The idea the Hewlett Packard has executives to would even consider endorsing something so utterly hideous in its intent means that they either didn’t really read, or they thought it was okay.
WE do have legal recourse, you know. However, lest I be misunderstood, the automatic reaction that WE ARE going to be rounded up and herded off to some barren, isolated islands at the ends of the Earth is what I was addressing.
Remember, this is America, the land of the righteous redneck,not Germany in the 1930s. Those of us living in flyover country would not take kindly at all to being routed out of our homes (I own mine, BTW, lock, stock and barrel), and told to march off to the airport on some gasbag’s whim. The proposal itself is ludicrous. It assumes, quite wrongly, that we’re just a bunch of mindless sheep, when we are not. I know too many people who know how to handle weapons of all kinds, and too many LEOs who would question the validity of being told to arrest someone whose offense was disagreement with some corporation’s “suggestions” for so-called climate skeptics.
I think the WORST response is assuming that a medieval inquisition could or would become the order of the day. Give me the name of one person who would go along with that. We aren’t in the Middle East, where people are executed for refusing to convert to radical Islam. And no matter how hard these bozos work at it, by scamming the naive and uninformed in the crowd, the corruption involved in something like this DOES need exposure to the light of day – LOTS OF EXPOSURE. The almost automatic reaction to it was the same as the legendary FEMA camps being built to house people who didn’t vote for Obama. And don’t get me started on that jackass. He found that he could NOT override the will of The People, after all.
HP hasn’t retracted it after lo, these TEN YEARS, so I will, if you don’t mind, run up something about this to post on another blog, where a bodacious number of rednecked ex-military people like me will see it and it will be broadcast even further. HP and those two jerks who signed onto the proposal have a lot to answer to for even thinking this is okay.
Sorry if you misunderstood my intent.
Yes, well, I also cook!
I have an almost complete mental blackout in trying to understand the totally warped, trending fanatically evil mentalities that are so self centred and so completely self righteous that they apparently cannot even contemplate in the slightest way the very demands they are making for the penalising, jailing and even execution of the so called Climate Deniers, might one day when circumstances and politics and science change, be reversed and the advocates of that same life and freedom depriving strategy that is as being advocated as the appropriate justice to be used against the Climate deniers, will themselves be subjected to those same harsh draconian laws and the consequences of those laws themselves .
Eric:
Could just be a function of the individual running the particular lab the time. Priest was only there 2 years:
“Prior to joining Bristol, he was Head of Sustainable IT Research at HP Labs, Bristol from 2007-09…”
http://www.bristol.ac.uk/eng-systems-centre/people/chris-priest.html
If Priest seriously considers the proposals viable, well then he appears to be something of a freak, however, I suppose we could find many examples of freaks working in high-end positions of reputable organizations all over the world. That doesn’t necessarily mean the entire organization is “freaky”.
I suppose the entire HP executive team at the time could have backed the recommendations in the “report” but…I dunno seems a little “Alex Jonesian” to believe it.
Could be wrong tho!
Somehow I doubt Bill or Dave would approve
I was fortunate enough to work there from the end of “Bill and Dave” through the John Young years to Lew Platt (whom I ran into a few years after sharing the midnight SFO shuttle to LTP, somehow I can’t see Carly! doing the same)
When I started it was an engineer’s Company but with the influx of MBA’s in the mid ’80’s where the longest term thinking was 5 years and the first voluntary severance program (which sparked the ‘Dot Com” revolution) by the time I left it was fast becoming a bastion of “PC”
MBAs are a pox on American business. link Companies headed by MBAs are much more likely to fail. If you were dismayed by the influx of MBAs, you were right.
I still wonder whether the MBA was just another KGB plot to destroy the West.
So true. Very sad how far HP (and IBM) has fallen.
HP used to mean real technology, innovation and top tier quality.
Like other folks down thread, HP (and IBM) have been on my do not buy list for many years.
I have a backup drive built by HP from a few years ago. It decided to stop recognizing my computer and all the images I had stored on it are no longer accessible. It’s not that they aren’t there. They are inaccessible. I should sue HP for building crappy equipment, for the very reason that this back up fails to recognize my computer any more and wants me to format the disc. Some time this year, I will take my aging computer to the shop and get those images recovered from my hard drive.
For this reason alone I will NEVER EVER buy ANY HP equipment. It is absolute crap. This company’s approval of this ‘criminalize climate skeptics’ proposal puts them on the same level as the Mafia.
Sara:
(Off topic mods sorry)
I’m sorry for your loss…I see it every day. You mention that your drive was manufactured “a few years ago”.
Just FYI, it’s a good idea to always have a backup of the backup, especially if you’re relying on consumer-class products for your valuable data. By “consumer-class” I mean stuff you buy at Staples, Office Depot, Wal-Mart, etc., and even from the OEM’s websites as well.
I just RMA’d a 7 month old Western Digital backup drive for a customer…not necessarily unusual.
In case you’ve never thought about it, here’s a primer on the difference between consumer-class and business-class computing products:
https://www.windowscentral.com/business-pcs-vs-consumer-pcs-whats-difference
Sara: Having worked on mainframe computers, I am paranoid (or have superior perception?) concerning backup. I have 2 hard drives as back up, put many of my photos on thumb drives, write them to DVDs and sometimes I use the very old Zip Drive I picked up at a garage sale (the disks are 100 mb, so I have to be particular what I put on them). I print many of them, too.
Even with the multiple methods of backup, I still have little faith in those zeros and ones.
I often have said that a great science fiction story would be about how many times data was completely wiped out and society had to start over. Read a news item about the possible “digital dark age” a few weeks ago on that possibility.
Sara: I agree with sy computing. I backup to two hard drives, DVDs, thumb drives and zip drives. I worked on mainframe computers and have seen them crash a hard drive with very nasty results. Had there not been backup, it would have catastropic. Zeros and ones are not all that trustworthy.
Waddaya….. know ! If you don’t think the way they think ……you go to jail.
Now where have I heard of this before?
I guess we can call this the “New European Gulag”
Following that insane outburst, I have moved HP and its products to the “Do not Buy” List in my mind.
That sort of thing is how the Fascisti and Nazis got started.
What is the problem?
It is a dystopian and cynical evaluation of what might be according to the signals you see now.
And it is not so far away i think. Maybe some one should write a follow up called 2084.
Good news everybody! There’s a movie theater on Kerguelen…I just don’t see how they’re going to fit 4,000,000,000 people on the island.
So, H&W “report” says this, is this what they are proposing, or what they think might happen? Is it nonfiction or fiction?
Second, is it written to be a proposal of future action, or a warning of the likely consequences of present action? Is it for or against the erosion and destruction to the point of penal colonies of individual liberties?
I ask this because it appears that H&W is against the destruction of liberties, and posted this report to show the likelihood of that destruction if present trends continue, and appears to appose those present trends. It appears that they are against those trends, and agree with you, for which you are criticizing them.
And does it matter who’es side they are on, when what they say the future holds in terms of individual liberties is undesirable? With current trends pointing in the exact direction of their scenario, while climate trends are uncertain, will people go with certain harm to avoid uncertain harm?
H&W is on your side whether they are trying to be or not.
This was written in 2008 .
Has even one of their predictions even look as though it has come true in the last nine years ?
This report is absolute rubbish but unfortunately this is how a lot of academics think and plan for our future .
I skimmed through the report and it looks like a blatant push for one world communist government by the elite of the people .
As for setting up penal colonies for climate deniers that means that free speech will be banned around the whole world and the South Island of New Zealand will be turned into a climate change denier colony without even asking New Zealanders if they would accept them .
Why the South Island of New Zealand ?
I can tell you why .
Because these dimwits look at the globe and New Zealand is about as far away from most centers of world population that they say “there put them ”
The South Island of New Zealand is a great place to live with lots to do and great people .Come and visit any time soon before these eco communists seize power and start telling all of us what we can or cannot do with our lives
Hahaaar! The brig is too good fer the likes o den!ers. Ye’ll swing from the yardarm ye mutinous dogs.
If true then it just goes to show how scared they are of sceptics when they resort to evil schemes like this.
They are afraid of losing their power, which is highly entwined with the global warming mantra. Their goal is to own the planet and make sure no one ever gains power that disagrees with them. Planetary doom is a great way to keep the masses down.
All the foundations created by wealthy men like Rockefeller, Ford, Carnegie and MacArthur all have become far left bastions funding and promoting those that would destroy capitalism and the Western democracies. They are all spinning in their graves.
…while the Board members carefully enrich themselves and maintain the dogmatic slant.
Initially, I thought this might be a dark dystopic satire like “The Handmaid’s Tale” (the book), but it seems to take itself far too seriously to reflect any humor (like the cable series).
After all is said and done, and after a review of the predictions made in 2008 in that HP proposal, NONE OF WHICH HAVE OCCURRED, it seems to me that Hewlett Packard was embracing the equivalent of Lysenkoism in regard to how things would turn out.
This is 10 years later, none of those predictions have occurred, as others have noted, and the entire schtick surrounding climate is a con job that takes on a pseudo-religious overtone and a constant demand for cash.
Trofim Lysenko, a quack if there ever was one, didn’t believe in Mendelian genetics, had genetic biologists imprisoned, destroyed the Russian agriculture program causing the starvation deaths of over 20,000,000 Soviet citizens and got away with it until he was proven wrong.
Forbes makes a good point: https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013/04/28/the-disgraceful-episode-of-lysenkoism-brings-us-global-warming-theory/
From the 2013 article: Lysenko was consequently embraced and lionized by the Soviet media propaganda machine. Scientists who promoted Lysenkoism with faked data and destroyed counterevidence were favored with government funding and official recognition and award. Lysenko and his followers and media acolytes responded to critics by impugning their motives, and denouncing them as bourgeois fascists resisting the advance of the new modern Marxism. – Forbes
Does any of that sound familiar?
Shabajee worked for HP Labs for, apparently, a short period of time – 2 years, 11 myths. Waste of money/salary it would seem:
https://www.linkedin.com/search/results/index/?keywords=Paul%20Shabajee&origin=GLOBAL_SEARCH_HEADER
Send in the FBI to investigate it.
If their predictions re global warming are correct Kerguelen should have the best resort climate on the planet by then. It will be the first pick holiday resort of the climate commissars. Kerguelen island for the elite; heat islands for the peasants.
What the left totalitarians constantly fail to realise is that there are enough clear thinking people out there who will totally reject this type of society in the west (not sure about Europe) well before it happens. But it probably means a major cultural war, or worse, an actual war, along the way to dismantle it.
For some reason the totalitarian left always think the road is clear.
2008: “For example, citizens could be told to turn off certain appliances such as washing machines or kettles or even have them switched off remotely. …”
I wouldn’t say that not any of their predictions haven’t happened.
2011: http://m.hp.com/uk/en/news/details.do?id=1099935&articletype=news_release
Anybody here not have a smart meter on their house?
I don’t, and will not have a smart meter on my house. I also do not have anything made by HP in the house, except some sauce 🙂 My electricity meter should see me out as it was replaced about twelve years ago when the electrics were upgraded.
The HP ban has been for the last eight or nine years and I see no reason to change my decision.
SteveT
Residential Demand Response
“Peak electricity demands occur on hot summer afternoons when air conditioners are working hard to keep homes and businesses cool. This increased demand is a challenge for power companies and can result in higher costs for the power company and higher bills for the customer.
Thus, power companies are eager to cut peak demand: so eager that they will pay you to use less power during critical times in order to match the amount of electricity demand and supply. The following table summarizes the direct load control programs offered by power companies across the US– in exchange for allowing them to turn down electricity-consuming residential appliances like air conditioners and water heaters during periods of extreme peak demand, you will receive rebates and other financial incentives.”
Arrangements like this exist in many states.
The primaty source of greenhouse gases being added to the atmosphere are water and ice surfaces coming in contact wiht the atmosphere. Currently nothing is being done to stop this from happening.
Fellow Americans
keep your powder dry. We are all Minutemen.
Who will be the camp guards, doctors, and dentists? And will there be any experiments performed on the inmates with results published in the HP Journal?
Where was Gordan Gekko when HP needed him? Instead, it got Carly Fiorina, who spoke about herself in the 3rd person. Although this report appears to be about 10 years old, it’s nevertheless a shameful bit of punctuation for a long and sad decline of a once great company. Clearly, any R&D group that truly understand what the future held would be able to easily dream up and build products that people wanted, and could out-compete other lesser companies. But most people no longer think of HP products in that way, and instead, see HP fading away and becoming a wisp of it’s former self. Around the time higher management started approving the wastes of money and effort that this report represents, HP should have been splitting itself into many smaller pieces, losing the people who did this kind of crap as a good first step. While that break up process does appear to be happening now, it’s out of necessity and emergency, rather than by choice and with care.