Hewlett Packard Backed Report Includes Planned Penal Colonies for Climate Skeptics

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

h/t Willie Soon & Quadrant Online – the following are excerpts from a climate report which the Hewlett Packard website describes as a collaboration between HP Labs and Forum for the Future.

2028: Jean-Claude Bertillon, leader of the No Climate Change Party in Canada, is convicted of denying the existence of climate change. He is deported to the international convict settlement on Kerguelen in the Southern Ocean.

Read more: (p52): https://www.forumforthefuture.org/sites/default/files/project/downloads/climate-futures.pdf

Governments push markets to the very limit of what they can deliver. In different ways in different countries, economies have been forcibly re-orientated to focus on dealing with climate change, in much the same way as sometimes happens in times of war. But in most cases this has happened gradually, ratcheting up over time, with citizens surrendering control of their lives piecemeal rather than all at once, as trading regimes, international law, lifestyles and business have responded to the growing environmental crisis. And so in 2030, greenhouse gas emissions are beginning to decline, but the cost to individual liberty has been great.

Read more (p 8): Same link as above

… in some countries a licence is now required to have children and these are awarded according to a points system. Climate-friendly behaviour means points…

It is not unusual for governments to monitor household energy consumption in real time, with warnings sent to homes that exceed their quotas. For example, citizens could be told to turn off certain appliances such as washing machines or kettles or even have them switched off remotely. …

Read more (p55): Same link as above

The Quadrant Online article contains other nauseating details of the author’s grim climate fantasies, or you can simply read the report itself.

Two of the authors named on the report, Chris Preist and Paul Shabajee, are described as being members of the HP Labs team.

I hope the association of Hewlett Packard’s name with this piece of fascist green filth is a ghastly mistake. I would hate to think a senior Hewlett Packard executive in a position of responsibility had detailed awareness of the repulsive contents of this report, yet allowed it to be published anyway.


Backup PDF copies here (in case they disappear):

climate-futures

HP Labs and Forum for the Future explore future climate change scenarios

NOTE: This article was accidentally published by the guest author (Eric Worrall) before it was ready and reviewed, and he took it down immediately after realizing his mistake. It happens, the “Publish” and “Save Draft” buttons in the editor are close together and I’ve done it occasionally as well. There’s no “are you sure?” prompt. A tweet was automatically generated when Eric accidentally hit publish, and that may have caused some people to go looking for it and finding nothing. All this happened while I was asleep. I’ve restored the post after review and placing backup PDF copies – Anthony

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Harry Fisher

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wws

Exhibit “A” for the proposition, “This is why we won’t give up our guns.”

hanelyp

Indeed, these fascist water melons are dangerous.

billw1984

From the excerpts, it could be a warning against this type of behavior. Not advocating for it.

A smart board of sane lawyers should begin a class action lawsuit, suing the crazed AGW propagandists, for damages. It would not hard to prove damages to individuals or the society itself. It is a kind of mental cruelty and false advertising, causing social discord, stride and money damages.

Sara

And who died and made these jackwagons into God???

Jeff Alberts

The same people who invented “god” in the first place, humans.

Richard Woollaston

Weird. The publication date is October 2008,

chadb

And none of the predictions for the following 10 years from any of the scenarios has come true. It’s a piece of garbage that doesn’t reflect anything other than fear-mongering from a decade ago.

paqyfelyc

still is worthwhile because it DOES reflect fear-mongering from a decade ago

The Expulsive

And we wonder why the dissipation of HP happened? I worked there as it was ran into the ground and now it is broken into many fragments, with some sold in a fire sale. So many who worked for HP are scratching their heads over the last 10 years.

Pop Piasa

I have avoided anything HP for a number of years now. Had many problems with printers and computers early on.

John Francis

Until the early 80’s, HP products were considered by many engineers, including me, as the ultimate in professional equipment and reliable specs. The subsequent deterioration of the company and its reputation is a real tragedy.

jaffa68

Smashed my last (ever) HP printer to bits in my garage after it refused to scan a document due to low ink level – I felt much better afterwards.

graphicconception

“I worked there as it was ran into the ground …”

I wonder if we ever met?!

It used to be a single company of nearly a third of a million people now it seems to be split into two parts with around 50,000 each – if memory serves. They kept buying companies that they did not need and anyway came with their own problems. I see Meg Whitman has left HPE, now, as well.

D. Carroll

But in most cases this has happened gradually, ratcheting up over time, with citizens surrendering control of their lives piecemeal rather than all at once,

The journey from one location to another is the addition of all the steps to get there.
But, each individual step does not change your location as one foot remains in any given location as the other foot presses forward!

MarkW

And thus, socialism marches on.

Paul r

Isn’t this called the eu?

Pop Piasa

There is a constant erosion of personal liberty and privacy at work in the world today. We are told that it is to protect the good people from the bad.
Then there was old Ben Franklin who said:
“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

paqyfelyc

“and will lose both”

Sandy In Limousin

Usually the gradual erosion of rights and liberties leads to a breaking point and violent revolution. Sometimes the aftermath is very bloody and rights are further reduced before getting better sometime down the line. France and Russia are prime examples, sometimes it takes a long time to get a freer society, sometimes one tyranny is swapped for another. Sometimes, but rarely, the revolution results in the desired outcome, the American Revolution being an example. Sometimes there is no regime change and things get worse, Syria. Sometimes the breakup of unions of countries put together for political reason ends in war and violence, the former Yugoslavia.

None of which means the Status Quo should continue unchallenged but it does mean going into change thinking Nirvana is waiting just a day away is foolish in the extreme. Humans are good at convincing themselves that it won’t happen to me/this time and are usually proved wrong.

ClimateOtter

I have to wonder how quickly that paper and those names disappear from HPs network.

It seems to have been there nearly ten years.

Bryan A

But only just brought into light. It will be interesting to see how fast the roaches will scurry when you shine the light of day on them

Cliff Hilton

“It is not unusual for governments to monitor household energy consumption in real time, with warnings sent to homes that exceed their quotas. For example, citizens could be told to turn off certain appliances such as washing machines or kettles or even have them switched off remotely. …”

Soooo, Al Gore will be the first to receive a notice. I think I may be a supporter of this Communist future. Until I’m not.

Those rules wouldn’t apply to Gore and the other climate saviours, just like they’re allowed to fly to conferences while criticising others for traveling, exceptions would need to be made for these special people.

It would be like Animal farm but with energy rather than food, Gore and crew are the Pigs.

Latitude

“The year is 2030. Global supply chains are shrinking. The US president has called
for the UN to be dismantled”

…..Oprah would never do that

MarkW

That’s 13 years in the future. Just how long was Oprah planning on being president?

Latitude

CNN and MSNBC says forever……..

Taylor Ponlman

Well, assuming she started in 2024, that sounds about right.

Bryan A

My guess would be right after President Trump’s second term

Komrade Kuma

The UN to be dismantled? I think that would be a very good idea and Trump making such a call is a realistic scenario.

BTW, as a descendant of a convict sent to Oz, I would welcome wih open arms fresh new blood selected for climate skepticism. They could be used to replace the allocation to queue jumpers some ot the other trash we have been taking in. They might also precipitate an exodus of CAW alarmist who just will not share a country with such people on ‘moral grounds’…. Win-Win I call that.

In 2017 / 18, the current US President is cutting the UN’s funding. And not before time.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/us-cut-un-funding-285m-donald-trump-nikki-haley-jerusalem-a8128426.html
Will the UN remove their headquarters from New York in response? More pertinently, will the UN Diplomatic corps wives allow a retreat from the capital of retail? This could get interesting. Methinks Oprah will never even get a look in.

Thanks for the pdf copy.

Think I’ll print it out and use for toilet paper. Hopefully those words are sufficient to convey my sense of it.

Poor Richard, retro-crank grammarian

“re-orientated”? Seriously? How ’bout just plain old re-oriented? Hmmmm?

But once it has been re-oriented, then we can talk about its new orientation, okay?

Bryan A

Or we could discuss it’s new reorientation

Paul Penrose

This is being abused all the time now. I heard someone the other day say that they had “commentated” on something. I rolled my eyes involuntarily.

Bryan A

Weren’t your feelings just totally exacerbated

Pop Piasa

It’s terrible when speeches are rated
On comments, over-commentated.
The content’s obliterated
By syllables exacerbated
From grammar that’s over-instated.

(how’s that?)
😉

kaliforniakook

Re-orientated may be correct – if the author meant re-oriented to face the east.

Jeff Alberts

Re-Asianed. Can’t use Orient now. Must use a much too broad designation to include people who aren’t “asian”.

Annie

Reorientated sounds right to me. I always thought reoriented sounds odd and probably American English?

gnomish

illiteracy- turning language into mashed potatataters forever!

jorgekafkazar

Surely he meant to write, “re-orientationized.”

ResourceGuy

I know what this would be labeled in headlines across the globe if a conservative proposed it or spoke it or murmured it.

RWturner

It would be funny if someone rewrote it with changing a few words and played it off as a conservative plot.

Jay

Seriously? WTF HP?

Sara

OH. MY. DINOSAUR!!!!! Where were these clowndogs when the Dust Bowl was underway???

Penal colonies? They can go first. I will be happy to escort them there. In fact, I have underway a novella based on something like that, in which all large cities are walled up and no one is allowed to leave, deliveries are made by robot trucks to robot terminals, and the only thing available to eat there is graham crackers. (See movies: Escape from LA, Soylent Green, Purge, Hunger Games, Divergent Series, etc.) I believe it was Robert Heinlein who described something like this in the short story ‘Coventry’. Aldous Huxley’s
‘Brave New World’ and the bizarre enclosed world of ‘Logan’s Run’ are other good examples. The difference is that I focus on life outside those walls.

Well, boys and girls – if that’s the future these cranks envision for us, I say we make quite sure that they go first. I will enjoy watching them go. I know how to make a garden grow and raise chickens for eggs and meat. They don’t.

To anyone interested in a more basic way of life, e.g., cooking on a wood-fired stove: see Lehman’s Hardware (Kidron, OH).

I don’t find this arrogant twaddle to be scary. I DO find it to be presumptious, ignorant of real facts, and yes, possible grounds for a class action lawsuit involving threats and intimidation toward a specific group of people. What most people don’t understand about the Inquisition was that the smart people survived by outsmarting their Inquisitors.

Alexander Solzhenitsyn wrote about this “future state” when he described the gulags of the Soviet Republic. Interesting that HP supports researchers hankering for a return to the police state and absent personal freedoms, all excused by a religious belief in how human sin controls the weather – a belief that takes us back to the dark ages. One must ask if this type of thinking is consistent with a manufacturing products based on science and advanced technology.

J Mac

In a world of AGW fascists (and the plethora of other socialist enforcement cadres), hauling people off to the gulag is much more difficult when US citizens exercise their 2nd Amendment rights.

Bryan A

AND they’re trying to “Chip” away at that one too

Sara

There are more of US than there are of The THEM there AGWers/Warmians/whatever they are this week. .

C Chernault

Was this paper intended as a cautionary tale or as a planning document?

Lucius von Steinkaninchen

I didn’t know that HP was shifting its business focus to writing pulp scifi.

No wonder their laptops got that crappy.

sy computing

Elitebook series is still good…go business class regardless of OEM.

Cracked up when I read ” …. water shortages have already forced the abandonment of Central Australia …”
Technically correct maybe. The Titanosaurs and Diprotodons had to move on as it dried out, but sometimes the inland sea returns.
No point threatening to blacklist HP for this garbage if it’s 10 years old. I gave up HP because of the dreadful printer software rather than the products, but still have the Elitebook. Runs WIndows 10 (with most of the bs under control) and a SSD to replace the ageing clockwork drive, so it runs faster than when it was new.

sy computing

martin:

You speak the truth on HP consumer-class printer software…a real mess!

RobT

This is not some mythic dystopian future. This is technocracy. Those smart meters on your houses can be used to shut down the smart appliances inside your house. That’s what the technocrats mean by “load balancing”.

Sara

Yeah, okay, RobT but if I do NOT have ANY smart appliances in my house, how are they going to shut them down? I can light my kitchen stove with matches if I have to, you know, and I can convert the entire house to run on a natural gas generator.

Shut me down and I sue you and win. Try harder.

Sheri

Agreed. I have an analogue TV, my stove also lights with a match if necessary, my microwave has a dial, etc. I have a computer, but the backup is not on the computer so if someone wants to wipe my computer, I still have the info. I have a backup generator and a wood stove. While I use tech to some degree, and have worked on computers and IT, I don’t let it run my life.

sy computing

Sheri:

I’m with you, e.g., I don’t do Fakebook, Tweaker, etc., and my phone is dumb as a rock!

Yet I run my own IT shop.

ozspeaksup

report i read yesterday said LG intent to smartchip ALL their appliances..so i wont be buying LG.
and the hp pcs and their preloaded drives n preset bois are a right pain if you want to replace their harddrive and get it to run
even the emachines dont handle any other drive i found the hard way;-(

sy computing

“…and the hp pcs and their preloaded drives n preset bois are a right pain if you want to replace their harddrive and get it to run…”

Wow…I wonder if this problem is EU specific? I have absolutely NO issues replacing hardware in HP machines.

ResourceGuy

The camps in Germany started out as holding camps for domestic political deniers and non-pledge takers in the early phases of the regime plans.

Latitude

These computer companies are a piece of work….get caught slowing PC’s down on purpose….and now they invent and excuse to do it on purpose…whatever it takes to get people to buy new ones

Microsoft says older Windows versions will face greatest performance hits after Meltdown, Spectre patches

http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-says-older-windows-versions-face-greatest-meltdown-spectre-performance-issues/

ozspeaksup

but if older than 10yrs NOT buggy chipped and not able to get updates anyway?
i dont think thats going to affect us frankly.

MarkW

In your opinion, Microsoft conspired with Intel to put buggy hardware in the chips Intel was making?
That Microsoft puts most of their effort in designing high quality software patches for a hardware bug, into their latest stuff, is hardly surprising.

Not too surprising that HP have an authoritarian streak in their corporate culture.
In their PCs (computers) they also restrict customer freedom – you can’t for example go to a website like NVidia and directly update the driver for the graphics card – you can only wait till their ponderous HP update machine gets round to it. This is intolerable for our business in xray 3D imaging technology so that is why we only buy Dell – where you have much more flexibility and leeway. (We use NVidia cards for their CUDA GPU programming platform).

Plus, living in Belgium, I can’t even view the hp website in English! My only options are French or Dutch! If I try to go to the UK or USA sites I get “you are forbidden access to this server”. Creepy.

sy computing

“…you can’t for example go to a website like NVidia and directly update the driver for the graphics card …”

You sure this an HP problem?

I’ve never had any issues with HP business class machines not accepting driver updates from OEM vendors. In fact, not sure how the machine could possibly stop you?

ptolemy2

Business class machines maybe. But on a 800 dollar laptop bought for our daughter at school, I tried a GPU driver update and was explicitly blocked, and the order was barked to me “only use the supplied hp hardware update tool”. That was me told.

MarkW

On one hand, people complain when non-approved drivers make their computers unstable. They also complain when companies try to limit the ability to install non-approved drivers.

sy computing

“I tried a GPU driver update and was explicitly blocked, and the order was barked to me “only use the supplied hp hardware update tool”.

VERY interesting! I’ve never heard of nor seen such in the US market.

Are you in the US market, btw?

Michael Carter

I will read the entire document over time. However my first reaction was that it must be a provocative piece of futuristic fiction. I would be very careful about judging intent as this could result in a gross injustice to the authors.

e.g. It is (IMO) a great idea for a movie.

Just my personal first reaction. Its just to crazy to be serious – surely?

m

mikewaite

I do not know if the following report on developments in China is to be believed, but the future as proposed above appears to be well in the making:

-“magine a world where many of your daily activities were constantly monitored and evaluated: what you buy at the shops and online; where you are at any given time; who your friends are and how you interact with them; how many hours you spend watching content or playing video games; and what bills and taxes you pay (or not). It’s not hard to picture, because most of that already happens, thanks to all those data-collecting behemoths like Google, Facebook and Instagram or health-tracking apps such as Fitbit. But now imagine a system where all these behaviours are rated as either positive or negative and distilled into a single number, according to rules set by the government. That would create your Citizen Score and it would tell everyone whether or not you were trustworthy. Plus, your rating would be publicly ranked against that of the entire population and used to determine your eligibility for a mortgage or a job, where your children can go to school – or even just your chances of getting a date.

A futuristic vision of Big Brother out of control? No, it’s already getting underway in China, where the government is developing the Social Credit System (SCS) to rate the trustworthiness of its 1.3 billion citizens. The Chinese government is pitching the system as a desirable way to measure and enhance “trust” nationwide and to build a culture of “sincerity”. As the policy states, “It will forge a public opinion environment where keeping trust is glorious. It will strengthen sincerity in government affairs, commercial sincerity, social sincerity and the construction of judicial credibility.” “-

http://www.wired.co.uk/article/chinese-government-social-credit-score-privacy-invasion

Noticed this post on Jonova’s site a few days ago .
Even if only a scare story , the new technologies make it very easy for any Government to control its citizens should it wish to do so- and really why would it not want to do so?

Sara

The Chinese really aren’t very far removed from Mao’s government or the Gang of Four, and all the stuff that went with it. If you do not know how they mishandled the reactions of students in Tiannanmen Square in 1989, look it up. It was a massacre. They botched it, denied anything at all had happened, and had to backtrack and cover their mistakes when the videos reached the media.
So what they are doing now is not new, it is just a repeat of what went before.

Justanelectrician

Considering how much time Google execs spent in Obama’s White House, I thought we would get there first.

billw1984

I agree. It may be more of a futuristic warning story.

Bear

Well, that tears it. I not buying another HP product again.

Sheri

I gave up on HP years ago. However, there is a limit to how many companies you can boycott. We still need to eat, there are electronics and so forth. My consumption has gone way down, but I still end up needing items from businesses I’m not fond of.

MarkW

A lot of time, in the real world, your choice is to select the least objectionable.
This a dilemma for both people and countries.

Joel Snider

Warmists (and Progressives in general) have only been fantasizing on this very thing since they cooked this whole AGW scam up.
And the Fourth Reich marches forward.

In July of 1989 I entered East Berlin and East Germany through Checkpoint Charlie. The dreaded communist Honecker regime was still in power then; it was just four months before the Wall fell.

I wrote the following long ago and I didn’t keep track of dates then – probably about 2010.

THIS FEARFUL, REPRESSIVE SCENARIO IS WHAT THE LEFTISTS WANT FOR AMERICA.
____________________________

I had the privilege and misfortune of travelling into East Germany in July of 1989, just before the fall of the Berlin Wall.

We were on a business mission to West Germany, and somehow our bosses had committed us at the last minute to a brief detour into the East.

One of our group refused to go, saying it was a despicable totalitarian sh!thole, so we agreed to meet him in Cologne.

We flew to Tegel airport in West Berlin, and were escorted by a Stasi driver though West Berlin. It was Friday night, and West Berlin looked exciting, electric..

We travelled though the Berlin Wall at Checkpoint Charlie, and the world changed. I had been sitting in the front seat beside the driver snapping photos, but when I tried to take one of the East German checkpoint, I felt resistance as I tried to lift my camera. The Stasi driver’s hand was on my camera holding it down, even as he looked the other way, talking through his window to the East German border guard.

We took a sharp left and then a sharp right onto the main street, called Unter den Linden. The majestic Brandenburg Gate was visible just behind us. As we passed the Reichstag, I lifted my camera to snap a picture. The driver stopped quickly to assist my photo, and it was suddenly obvious that there were no other vehicles on the street, and no pedestrians either.

We stayed at the Metropol Hotel that first night, and went for a walk after dinner. I had asked my dinner hosts if I could go for a jog in the morning, and was cautioned that “We do not jog in East Berlin” I then asked if I could go for a long walk, and was assured, with a telling look, “You can walk anywhere in East Berlin – you will be perfectly safe, not like your London and New York”.

We soon found out what he meant – every block had eight small kiosks staffed with police, two on each side of the street. At any time we were within easy view of perhaps ten such police posts. Again, we were the only people on the street. The police talked quietly with each other on their telephones, and seemed to know that we were no cause for alarm. Their primary job to prevent any attempts by East Germans to defect to the Western embassies located on Unter den Linden.

In our brief stay, we visited a mine to view some equipment, had interminable meetings in a very hot room, learned that the local cola beverage was called Prik Cola, and found that our business colleagues in East Germany were pretty human, much like ourselves.

I also had sufficient liberty to get away from our group, and was able to observe that East German infrastructure was crumbling, the roads, buildings, sewage systems, cars, trains, heavy equipment, electrics, electronics, etc. etc. etc. were fifty years out-of-date and falling apart. Environmental degradation by industry was severe and disgusting.

More significantly, the East German people were a fearful lot – frightened to death of me, lest someone think they were communicating with me and report them to the dreaded Stasi. Those condemned to the Stasi, and there were many, would lose their jobs and could wind up in prison – their lives would be ruined.

My friend was right – East Germany was a vicious totalitarian state, and worse. We all decided that we had seen enough, and agreed to leave a day early.

We took a taxi to the Wall, and negotiated our way through Checkpoint Charlie again, this time without the assistance of our Stasi driver, and spent the extra day walking around West Berlin.

We saw a memorial to those who had been killed trying to escape through the Wall. The last death took place a few months earlier in February 1989, when Chris Gueffroy died trying to escape into West Berlin. Gueffroy was hit in the chest by ten shots and died in the border strip. He was 20 years old.

Several months later the Wall fell, and I stayed up all night watching the celebrations on CNN.

Now that was a good day!

Epilogue:

I recall our Canadian NDP leaders extolling the virtues of East Germany to the Canadian public, and their stories being dutifully reported by the Canadian press – how East Germany was the “Economic Engine of the Soviet Union”, “The Workers’ Paradise”, and all that other BS. I shall never forgive the Canadian left for these self-serving lies, and I will never believe a word they say.

A few years later, I was back in Berlin on another business trip. Although I no longer jogged, I walked to the Brandenburg Gate. Then, I broke into a slow jog, and ambled my way through the Brandenburg Gate and down Unter den Linden.

You see, now, we do jog in East Berlin.

Sara

Yeah, well, I know someone who was posted in the 1980s to the East-West border of Germany, and while on patrol with his unit got a Cold War emergency call to help rescue an East German soldier who was trying to escape by climbing over the razor wire fencing hung with claymore mines. The escapee was badly cut and had been shot, but he was still alive.

I’m old enough to remember Conrad Schumann’s desperate attempt to escape East Berlin by jumping a barbed wire barrier at Checkpoint Charlie.

Like the fencing, ditches, and other barriers, the Wall was built to keep people IN East Berlin, not to keep anyone OUT.

Hi Sara. You may like this true story:

In July of 1989, I observed that the approach to Checkpoint Charlie on the East Berlin side had very sharp and narrow right-angle turn, designed to slow all traffic to a crawl. I asked about this and was told that an East German guy, his girlfriend and their baby had crashed Checkpoint Charlie in a heavy truck, so the East German authorities had rerouted the approach to prevent this from recurring.

I thought this was pretty cool, and had images of the East German checkpoint being dragged 100 yards into downtown West Berlin. It was almost that good – below is their story.

DUMP TRUCK CRASHES BERLIN WALL; THREE SAFE IN WEST
August 30, 1986 | From LA Times Wire Services

http://articles.latimes.com/1986-08-30/news/mn-14153_1_west-berlin

{excerpts}
WEST BERLIN — A man swerved a dump truck through East German police gunfire early Friday and escaped through the Berlin Wall as his girlfriend and their baby huddled on the floor, West Berlin police said.
None of the three was hurt.

The man, who worked for an East German construction company, told Western Allied officials questioning him that he and his girlfriend were dissatisfied with conditions in East Berlin.

The escape, under floodlights at heavily guarded Checkpoint Charlie, took five or 10 seconds and was one of the most spectacular in years.

The 7 1/2-ton dump truck, loaded with gravel, roared through at least two barriers at 12:05 a.m. and rammed a steel gate.

U.S. military police followed the driver after he raced into the West. He didn’t stop until he was more than half a mile past the wall.

West Berlin police said East German guards fired at least three shots, and the front of the truck was a wreck from barrier-bashing. In its wake was a pile of broken windshield glass and twisted metal barriers.
Police said the driver swerved into oncoming traffic when an automatic barrier descended in front of him, but dodged cars heading into East Berlin.

Throughout the day Friday, East German guards worked to erase signs of damage at the checkpoint, a main wall crossing between Communist East Berlin and West Berlin.

Seventy-four people have died trying to escape across the Berlin Wall since it was put up on Aug. 13, 1961. More than 4,900 people have succeeded, although most escapes occurred in the 1960s, before defenses were improved.

Details of the Checkpoint Charlie escape were still being pieced together late Friday.

Allied and West Berlin authorities questioned the couple, then took them and the infant to a refugee center in West Berlin, according to The Aug. 13 Working Group, a private organization that monitors Berlin Wall escapes.

The escapees will be allowed to stay in West Germany, under longstanding West German practice.

{Epilogue: And they all lived happily ever after…}

Annie

My sister and I went on a brief tour of East Berlin many years ago (early 70’s) and found it very depressing. Checkpoint Charlie Museum was very sobering. It was just amazing the lengths people went to to escape their socialist communist ‘paradise’. We were very relieved to pass back to West Berlin and even more pleased to negotiate the road journey back to West Germany. I hated seeing our passports disappear into the kiosks to be checked. I did note that the Russian soldiers were less unfriendly than the East German soldiers.

Jeffrey Barker

Thanks for that Allan. I remember watching it on TV here in the UK and at that time I felt glad that communism seemed to be collapsing.
I can’t believe so many of our younger generation seem to want to embrace such a nefarious regime.
They do say if you don’t know your history you are doomed to repeat it.

Pat Frank

I went into East Berlin through the Brandenburg Gate shortly after the wall fell.

My two main memories are of the huge golden statue of the Russian soldier standing guard just inside the gate. The other is that the faces of all the buildings were still shot up — full of bullet holes and pock-marks, all from WWII. East Berlin near the gate was an utter shambles.

I drove through E Germany in 1977 to and from Poland, one piece of paper dropped down past the seat. When we initially didn’t produce the document the border guards got very aggressive! Coming back there was a Polish family just behind us at the border crossing, the guards made them take everything out of the car and spread it out over the ground. They were scary guys, there was quite a relief when we crossed the tank traps on the way back into W Germany. I have o photo somewhere that shows a huge sign saying:
‘Ost Berlin Hauptstadt der DDR’ and a tiny little one saying ‘West Berlin”.

Hi pat,

You wrote:
“My two main memories are of the huge golden statue of the Russian soldier standing guard just inside the gate. The other is that the faces of all the buildings were still shot up — full of bullet holes and pock-marks, all from WWII. East Berlin near the gate was an utter shambles.”

East Berlin near the Brandenburg Gate was their “showplace”, with all the embassies, etc.

The rest of East Germany was generally worse.

Good people though – just trying to get by while living under the Soviet boot.

Some seriously deluded people have falsely alleged that the use of the word “sh!thole” brands one Donald Trump a racist. Now I do not know Mr. Trump, but I can state with absolute confidence that the term “sh!thole “is a technical term used in international business to describe certain locales where lack of prosperity, fundamental freedoms and/or physical amenities makes life extremely difficult and/or perilous for people we might employ there.

In defense of Mr. Trump, I note the following post from 2016 which quotes previous posts I made circa 2005 that make use of the disputed term.

If this makes me a racist, then it is falsely alleged that I am not only prejudiced against tan-skinned, dark-eyed Cubans, but also against blonde-haired, blue-eyed East Germans.

A much more plausible interpretation is that I am strongly opposed to totalitarian regimes that force their people to live in extreme poverty and deprivation, with no real human rights.

Perhaps this Mr, Trump, whoever he is, has the same strong aversion to tyranny..

Regards to all, Allan

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/11/26/world-mourns-mass-murderer-and-climate-warrior-fidel-castro/comment-page-1/#comment-2353374

Hi Gary and thank you for your post.

Ronald Reagan was correct – East Germany was a sh!thole, part of the Evil Empire.

Regards, Allan

Also posted circa 2005:

I’ve also been to Cuba, once, also a business trip. Nice people, Terrible Government.

Cuba is not as openly repressive as Honecker’s East Germany, but I am sure that those who express dissent have a life that is interesting and short.

I am not easily fooled by the “Potemkin Villages” of communist regimes. Apparently our Canadian socialist leaders, the Lewis’s and Broadbent, WERE fooled by these deceptions. They were, and remain, imbeciles.

In Cuba, everything, even basic foods, are in short supply. People were used to being hungry. Everyone was thin, except Fidel and Raul. Prosperity in Cuba is having a relative in Miami who sends you stuff.

We hung out with the band at our hotel, and they took us to the local watering holes where Cubans partied. We had a good, clean fun time. But it was clear that Cubans lived in extreme poverty, and prostitution with tourists was commonly practiced, even by decent young women who were helping to feed their hungry families.

Cuba’s normally joyful society has been deeply degraded by Communism under Fidel. He is a true bastard.

In East Germany, things were much worse. People weren’t always hungry, but they were always afraid. Afraid of me, because of my western clothes – just talking to me could land them in prison. But most of all, afraid of the Stasi, the East German secret police.

We were driven by the Stasi from Tegel airport in West Berlin through Checkpoint Charlie into East Berlin. The contrast was startling. It was Friday night and West Berlin, then one of the great fun cities of the world, was popping. A quick stop at the Checkpoint, and then a sharp left/right turn onto Unter den Linden, the main street extending from the Brandenburg Gate.

What a contrast! Ours was the ONLY vehicle on the entire street, and there were NO pedestrians. There were eight little police kiosks on each contiguous city block – to keep potential defectors away from the western embassies and the Wall.

The Stasi lived well – but everyone, including the Stasi, were always afraid. The stress must have been overwhelming.

You wonder who would want to run such repressive, horrible regimes. Psychopaths, I suppose

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Potemkin Village.
Origin:
1935-40; after Prince Potemkin, who allegedly had villages of cardboard constructed for Catherine II’s visit to the Ukraine and the Crimea in 1787.

vukcevic

“2028: Jean-Claude Bertillon, leader of the No Climate Change Party in Canada, is convicted of denying the existence of climate change. He is deported to the international convict settlement on Kerguelen in the Southern Ocean.”

2029: year with no summer, Great lakes remained frozen thought the year. Scientists cannot agree about cause, large majority blames luck of solar activity, no sunspots were observed for nearly six years, while dwindling minority, headed by the ageing Dr. Mann, are maintaining that it was due to the run-away global warming as he predicted more than 10 years earlier.

2030, September: Great lakes still frozen, trickle of Canadians driving across lakes has turned into torrent.
Russian nuclear powered Arctic Ice breaker, which was meant to cut wide furrow across the lakes to stop vehicular crossing was reported blown by French speaking separatist when attempted to enter St. Lawrence river.
President Ivanka Trump sends all available heavy tanks patrolling the lakes’, but commanders refuse to shoot at vehicles. In her desperation she orders immediate erection of the LLB (Lethal Laser Border, as employed in mid-2020s on the Mexican border) in order to bring to a halt the flood of the Canadian climate refugees. (sarc fiction)

Zigmaster

The irony is that this draconian existence is already coming to fruition in Australia where recently because of our green policies and over reliance on renewables, certain businesses were told to shut down during extreme heat conditions or face blackouts. The greenies are already using energy policy to control our lives.

ozspeaksup

smart meters CAN and are designed to allow power cos to cut/reduce power to any premises as they choose. wrecking the fridge freezer or aircon..wont be on their heads , until maybe a huge event and then following claims of damages hit the insurance cos for burnt out motors etc

Tom Bjorklund

Smart meters cannot cut or reduce power. All they do is report usage.

catweazle666

“Smart meters cannot cut or reduce power.”

This says otherwise.

If you have a ‘smart meter’

If you have a smart energy meter in your home, your supplier could potentially disconnect your supply remotely without needing to access to your meter. However, before they do this, they must have:

contacted you to discuss options for repaying your debt, eg through a repayment plan
visited your home to assess your personal situation and whether this would affect you being disconnected, eg if you’re disabled or elderly

If they don’t do this and they try and disconnect you, make a complaint to your supplier.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/consumer/energy/energy-supply/problems-with-your-energy-supply/if-youve-been-told-your-energy-supply-will-be-disconnected/

It is certainly the case that some “Smart Meters” contain a set of high current contacts connected to a solenoid.

Also, “Smart Meters” can and will alter the tariff at times of high demand or whenever the power company deems it necessary without informing the user.

Sara

Anyone got any more scare mongering to throw out here?

vukcevic

I did post scary one but got stuck somewhere in the works.

Videodrone

Somehow I doubt Bill or Dave would approve

I was fortunate enough to work there from the end of “Bill and Dave” through the John Young years to Lew Platt (whom I ran into a few years after sharing the midnight SFO shuttle to LTP, somehow I can’t see Carly! doing the same)

When I started it was an engineer’s Company but with the influx of MBA’s in the mid ’80’s where the longest term thinking was 5 years and the first voluntary severance program (which sparked the ‘Dot Com” revolution) by the time I left it was fast becoming a bastion of “PC”

commieBob

MBAs are a pox on American business. link Companies headed by MBAs are much more likely to fail. If you were dismayed by the influx of MBAs, you were right.

MarkG

I still wonder whether the MBA was just another KGB plot to destroy the West.

curly

So true. Very sad how far HP (and IBM) has fallen.
HP used to mean real technology, innovation and top tier quality.
Like other folks down thread, HP (and IBM) have been on my do not buy list for many years.

Sara

I have a backup drive built by HP from a few years ago. It decided to stop recognizing my computer and all the images I had stored on it are no longer accessible. It’s not that they aren’t there. They are inaccessible. I should sue HP for building crappy equipment, for the very reason that this back up fails to recognize my computer any more and wants me to format the disc. Some time this year, I will take my aging computer to the shop and get those images recovered from my hard drive.

For this reason alone I will NEVER EVER buy ANY HP equipment. It is absolute crap. This company’s approval of this ‘criminalize climate skeptics’ proposal puts them on the same level as the Mafia.

sy computing

Sara:

(Off topic mods sorry)

I’m sorry for your loss…I see it every day. You mention that your drive was manufactured “a few years ago”.

Just FYI, it’s a good idea to always have a backup of the backup, especially if you’re relying on consumer-class products for your valuable data. By “consumer-class” I mean stuff you buy at Staples, Office Depot, Wal-Mart, etc., and even from the OEM’s websites as well.

I just RMA’d a 7 month old Western Digital backup drive for a customer…not necessarily unusual.

In case you’ve never thought about it, here’s a primer on the difference between consumer-class and business-class computing products:

https://www.windowscentral.com/business-pcs-vs-consumer-pcs-whats-difference

Sheri

Sara: Having worked on mainframe computers, I am paranoid (or have superior perception?) concerning backup. I have 2 hard drives as back up, put many of my photos on thumb drives, write them to DVDs and sometimes I use the very old Zip Drive I picked up at a garage sale (the disks are 100 mb, so I have to be particular what I put on them). I print many of them, too.
Even with the multiple methods of backup, I still have little faith in those zeros and ones.
I often have said that a great science fiction story would be about how many times data was completely wiped out and society had to start over. Read a news item about the possible “digital dark age” a few weeks ago on that possibility.

Sheri

Sara: I agree with sy computing. I backup to two hard drives, DVDs, thumb drives and zip drives. I worked on mainframe computers and have seen them crash a hard drive with very nasty results. Had there not been backup, it would have catastropic. Zeros and ones are not all that trustworthy.

Dennis

Waddaya….. know ! If you don’t think the way they think ……you go to jail.
Now where have I heard of this before?
I guess we can call this the “New European Gulag”

Following that insane outburst, I have moved HP and its products to the “Do not Buy” List in my mind.
That sort of thing is how the Fascisti and Nazis got started.

Svend Ferdinandsen

What is the problem?
It is a dystopian and cynical evaluation of what might be according to the signals you see now.
And it is not so far away i think. Maybe some one should write a follow up called 2084.

RWturner

Good news everybody! There’s a movie theater on Kerguelen…I just don’t see how they’re going to fit 4,000,000,000 people on the island.

SanityClause

So, H&W “report” says this, is this what they are proposing, or what they think might happen? Is it nonfiction or fiction?

Second, is it written to be a proposal of future action, or a warning of the likely consequences of present action? Is it for or against the erosion and destruction to the point of penal colonies of individual liberties?

I ask this because it appears that H&W is against the destruction of liberties, and posted this report to show the likelihood of that destruction if present trends continue, and appears to appose those present trends. It appears that they are against those trends, and agree with you, for which you are criticizing them.

And does it matter who’es side they are on, when what they say the future holds in terms of individual liberties is undesirable? With current trends pointing in the exact direction of their scenario, while climate trends are uncertain, will people go with certain harm to avoid uncertain harm?

H&W is on your side whether they are trying to be or not.

gwan

This was written in 2008 .
Has even one of their predictions even look as though it has come true in the last nine years ?
This report is absolute rubbish but unfortunately this is how a lot of academics think and plan for our future .
I skimmed through the report and it looks like a blatant push for one world communist government by the elite of the people .
As for setting up penal colonies for climate deniers that means that free speech will be banned around the whole world and the South Island of New Zealand will be turned into a climate change denier colony without even asking New Zealanders if they would accept them .
Why the South Island of New Zealand ?
I can tell you why .
Because these dimwits look at the globe and New Zealand is about as far away from most centers of world population that they say “there put them ”
The South Island of New Zealand is a great place to live with lots to do and great people .Come and visit any time soon before these eco communists seize power and start telling all of us what we can or cannot do with our lives

Hahaaar! The brig is too good fer the likes o den!ers. Ye’ll swing from the yardarm ye mutinous dogs.

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Jeffrey Barker

If true then it just goes to show how scared they are of sceptics when they resort to evil schemes like this.

Sheri

They are afraid of losing their power, which is highly entwined with the global warming mantra. Their goal is to own the planet and make sure no one ever gains power that disagrees with them. Planetary doom is a great way to keep the masses down.

Edwin

All the foundations created by wealthy men like Rockefeller, Ford, Carnegie and MacArthur all have become far left bastions funding and promoting those that would destroy capitalism and the Western democracies. They are all spinning in their graves.

Resourceguy

…while the Board members carefully enrich themselves and maintain the dogmatic slant.

Paul Johnson

Initially, I thought this might be a dark dystopic satire like “The Handmaid’s Tale” (the book), but it seems to take itself far too seriously to reflect any humor (like the cable series).

Sara

After all is said and done, and after a review of the predictions made in 2008 in that HP proposal, NONE OF WHICH HAVE OCCURRED, it seems to me that Hewlett Packard was embracing the equivalent of Lysenkoism in regard to how things would turn out.

This is 10 years later, none of those predictions have occurred, as others have noted, and the entire schtick surrounding climate is a con job that takes on a pseudo-religious overtone and a constant demand for cash.

Trofim Lysenko, a quack if there ever was one, didn’t believe in Mendelian genetics, had genetic biologists imprisoned, destroyed the Russian agriculture program causing the starvation deaths of over 20,000,000 Soviet citizens and got away with it until he was proven wrong.

Forbes makes a good point: https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013/04/28/the-disgraceful-episode-of-lysenkoism-brings-us-global-warming-theory/
From the 2013 article: Lysenko was consequently embraced and lionized by the Soviet media propaganda machine. Scientists who promoted Lysenkoism with faked data and destroyed counterevidence were favored with government funding and official recognition and award. Lysenko and his followers and media acolytes responded to critics by impugning their motives, and denouncing them as bourgeois fascists resisting the advance of the new modern Marxism. – Forbes

Does any of that sound familiar?

Sparky

Shabajee worked for HP Labs for, apparently, a short period of time – 2 years, 11 myths. Waste of money/salary it would seem:

https://www.linkedin.com/search/results/index/?keywords=Paul%20Shabajee&origin=GLOBAL_SEARCH_HEADER

Resourceguy

Send in the FBI to investigate it.

old disbeliever

If their predictions re global warming are correct Kerguelen should have the best resort climate on the planet by then. It will be the first pick holiday resort of the climate commissars. Kerguelen island for the elite; heat islands for the peasants.

DaveR

What the left totalitarians constantly fail to realise is that there are enough clear thinking people out there who will totally reject this type of society in the west (not sure about Europe) well before it happens. But it probably means a major cultural war, or worse, an actual war, along the way to dismantle it.

For some reason the totalitarian left always think the road is clear.

MLCross

2008: “For example, citizens could be told to turn off certain appliances such as washing machines or kettles or even have them switched off remotely. …”

I wouldn’t say that not any of their predictions haven’t happened.

2011: http://m.hp.com/uk/en/news/details.do?id=1099935&articletype=news_release

Anybody here not have a smart meter on their house?

SteveT

MLCross
January 10, 2018 at 3:10 am
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Anybody here not have a smart meter on their house?

I don’t, and will not have a smart meter on my house. I also do not have anything made by HP in the house, except some sauce 🙂 My electricity meter should see me out as it was replaced about twelve years ago when the electrics were upgraded.
The HP ban has been for the last eight or nine years and I see no reason to change my decision.

SteveT

Residential Demand Response
“Peak electricity demands occur on hot summer afternoons when air conditioners are working hard to keep homes and businesses cool. This increased demand is a challenge for power companies and can result in higher costs for the power company and higher bills for the customer.

Thus, power companies are eager to cut peak demand: so eager that they will pay you to use less power during critical times in order to match the amount of electricity demand and supply. The following table summarizes the direct load control programs offered by power companies across the US– in exchange for allowing them to turn down electricity-consuming residential appliances like air conditioners and water heaters during periods of extreme peak demand, you will receive rebates and other financial incentives.”

Arrangements like this exist in many states.

willhaas

The primaty source of greenhouse gases being added to the atmosphere are water and ice surfaces coming in contact wiht the atmosphere. Currently nothing is being done to stop this from happening.

Fellow Americans
keep your powder dry. We are all Minutemen.

ResourceGuy

Who will be the camp guards, doctors, and dentists? And will there be any experiments performed on the inmates with results published in the HP Journal?

Mickey Reno

Where was Gordan Gekko when HP needed him? Instead, it got Carly Fiorina, who spoke about herself in the 3rd person. Although this report appears to be about 10 years old, it’s nevertheless a shameful bit of punctuation for a long and sad decline of a once great company. Clearly, any R&D group that truly understand what the future held would be able to easily dream up and build products that people wanted, and could out-compete other lesser companies. But most people no longer think of HP products in that way, and instead, see HP fading away and becoming a wisp of it’s former self. Around the time higher management started approving the wastes of money and effort that this report represents, HP should have been splitting itself into many smaller pieces, losing the people who did this kind of crap as a good first step. While that break up process does appear to be happening now, it’s out of necessity and emergency, rather than by choice and with care.