Hewlett Packard Backed Report Includes Planned Penal Colonies for Climate Skeptics

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

h/t Willie Soon & Quadrant Online – the following are excerpts from a climate report which the Hewlett Packard website describes as a collaboration between HP Labs and Forum for the Future.

2028: Jean-Claude Bertillon, leader of the No Climate Change Party in Canada, is convicted of denying the existence of climate change. He is deported to the international convict settlement on Kerguelen in the Southern Ocean.

Read more: (p52): https://www.forumforthefuture.org/sites/default/files/project/downloads/climate-futures.pdf

Governments push markets to the very limit of what they can deliver. In different ways in different countries, economies have been forcibly re-orientated to focus on dealing with climate change, in much the same way as sometimes happens in times of war. But in most cases this has happened gradually, ratcheting up over time, with citizens surrendering control of their lives piecemeal rather than all at once, as trading regimes, international law, lifestyles and business have responded to the growing environmental crisis. And so in 2030, greenhouse gas emissions are beginning to decline, but the cost to individual liberty has been great.

Read more (p 8): Same link as above

… in some countries a licence is now required to have children and these are awarded according to a points system. Climate-friendly behaviour means points…

It is not unusual for governments to monitor household energy consumption in real time, with warnings sent to homes that exceed their quotas. For example, citizens could be told to turn off certain appliances such as washing machines or kettles or even have them switched off remotely. …

Read more (p55): Same link as above

The Quadrant Online article contains other nauseating details of the author’s grim climate fantasies, or you can simply read the report itself.

Two of the authors named on the report, Chris Preist and Paul Shabajee, are described as being members of the HP Labs team.

I hope the association of Hewlett Packard’s name with this piece of fascist green filth is a ghastly mistake. I would hate to think a senior Hewlett Packard executive in a position of responsibility had detailed awareness of the repulsive contents of this report, yet allowed it to be published anyway.


Backup PDF copies here (in case they disappear):

climate-futures

HP Labs and Forum for the Future explore future climate change scenarios

NOTE: This article was accidentally published by the guest author (Eric Worrall) before it was ready and reviewed, and he took it down immediately after realizing his mistake. It happens, the “Publish” and “Save Draft” buttons in the editor are close together and I’ve done it occasionally as well. There’s no “are you sure?” prompt. A tweet was automatically generated when Eric accidentally hit publish, and that may have caused some people to go looking for it and finding nothing. All this happened while I was asleep. I’ve restored the post after review and placing backup PDF copies – Anthony

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Harry Fisher
January 9, 2018 4:36 am

Link broken

Harry Fisher 203.962.4345

wws
January 9, 2018 9:01 am

Exhibit “A” for the proposition, “This is why we won’t give up our guns.”

hanelyp
Reply to  wws
January 9, 2018 10:28 pm

Indeed, these fascist water melons are dangerous.

billw1984
Reply to  wws
January 10, 2018 6:46 am

From the excerpts, it could be a warning against this type of behavior. Not advocating for it.

January 9, 2018 9:15 am

A smart board of sane lawyers should begin a class action lawsuit, suing the crazed AGW propagandists, for damages. It would not hard to prove damages to individuals or the society itself. It is a kind of mental cruelty and false advertising, causing social discord, stride and money damages.

Sara
Reply to  Rebecca Proudhon
January 9, 2018 9:45 am

And who died and made these jackwagons into God???

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Sara
January 12, 2018 5:05 pm

The same people who invented “god” in the first place, humans.

Richard Woollaston
January 9, 2018 9:17 am

Weird. The publication date is October 2008,

chadb
Reply to  Richard Woollaston
January 9, 2018 9:40 am

And none of the predictions for the following 10 years from any of the scenarios has come true. It’s a piece of garbage that doesn’t reflect anything other than fear-mongering from a decade ago.

paqyfelyc
Reply to  chadb
January 10, 2018 1:55 am

still is worthwhile because it DOES reflect fear-mongering from a decade ago

The Expulsive
Reply to  Richard Woollaston
January 9, 2018 2:46 pm

And we wonder why the dissipation of HP happened? I worked there as it was ran into the ground and now it is broken into many fragments, with some sold in a fire sale. So many who worked for HP are scratching their heads over the last 10 years.

Pop Piasa
Reply to  The Expulsive
January 9, 2018 5:00 pm

I have avoided anything HP for a number of years now. Had many problems with printers and computers early on.

John Francis
Reply to  The Expulsive
January 9, 2018 10:16 pm

Until the early 80’s, HP products were considered by many engineers, including me, as the ultimate in professional equipment and reliable specs. The subsequent deterioration of the company and its reputation is a real tragedy.

John Fish
Reply to  The Expulsive
January 10, 2018 5:05 am

Smashed my last (ever) HP printer to bits in my garage after it refused to scan a document due to low ink level – I felt much better afterwards.

graphicconception
Reply to  The Expulsive
January 13, 2018 7:26 am

“I worked there as it was ran into the ground …”

I wonder if we ever met?!

It used to be a single company of nearly a third of a million people now it seems to be split into two parts with around 50,000 each – if memory serves. They kept buying companies that they did not need and anyway came with their own problems. I see Meg Whitman has left HPE, now, as well.

D. Carroll
January 9, 2018 9:18 am

But in most cases this has happened gradually, ratcheting up over time, with citizens surrendering control of their lives piecemeal rather than all at once,

The journey from one location to another is the addition of all the steps to get there.
But, each individual step does not change your location as one foot remains in any given location as the other foot presses forward!

MarkW
Reply to  D. Carroll
January 9, 2018 9:49 am

And thus, socialism marches on.

Paul r
Reply to  D. Carroll
January 9, 2018 3:47 pm

Isn’t this called the eu?

Pop Piasa
Reply to  D. Carroll
January 9, 2018 5:14 pm

There is a constant erosion of personal liberty and privacy at work in the world today. We are told that it is to protect the good people from the bad.
Then there was old Ben Franklin who said:
“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

paqyfelyc
Reply to  Pop Piasa
January 10, 2018 2:04 am

“and will lose both”

Sandy In Limousin
Reply to  D. Carroll
January 10, 2018 3:42 am

Usually the gradual erosion of rights and liberties leads to a breaking point and violent revolution. Sometimes the aftermath is very bloody and rights are further reduced before getting better sometime down the line. France and Russia are prime examples, sometimes it takes a long time to get a freer society, sometimes one tyranny is swapped for another. Sometimes, but rarely, the revolution results in the desired outcome, the American Revolution being an example. Sometimes there is no regime change and things get worse, Syria. Sometimes the breakup of unions of countries put together for political reason ends in war and violence, the former Yugoslavia.

None of which means the Status Quo should continue unchallenged but it does mean going into change thinking Nirvana is waiting just a day away is foolish in the extreme. Humans are good at convincing themselves that it won’t happen to me/this time and are usually proved wrong.

ClimateOtter
January 9, 2018 9:19 am

I have to wonder how quickly that paper and those names disappear from HPs network.

Nick Stokes
Reply to  ClimateOtter
January 9, 2018 9:36 am

It seems to have been there nearly ten years.

Bryan A
Reply to  Nick Stokes
January 9, 2018 9:57 am

But only just brought into light. It will be interesting to see how fast the roaches will scurry when you shine the light of day on them

Cliff Hilton
January 9, 2018 9:22 am

“It is not unusual for governments to monitor household energy consumption in real time, with warnings sent to homes that exceed their quotas. For example, citizens could be told to turn off certain appliances such as washing machines or kettles or even have them switched off remotely. …”

Soooo, Al Gore will be the first to receive a notice. I think I may be a supporter of this Communist future. Until I’m not.

jaffa68
Reply to  Cliff Hilton
January 10, 2018 5:09 am

Those rules wouldn’t apply to Gore and the other climate saviours, just like they’re allowed to fly to conferences while criticising others for traveling, exceptions would need to be made for these special people.

It would be like Animal farm but with energy rather than food, Gore and crew are the Pigs.

Latitude
January 9, 2018 9:24 am

“The year is 2030. Global supply chains are shrinking. The US president has called
for the UN to be dismantled”

…..Oprah would never do that

MarkW
Reply to  Latitude
January 9, 2018 9:52 am

That’s 13 years in the future. Just how long was Oprah planning on being president?

Latitude
Reply to  MarkW
January 9, 2018 10:11 am

CNN and MSNBC says forever……..

Taylor Ponlman
Reply to  MarkW
January 9, 2018 10:55 am

Well, assuming she started in 2024, that sounds about right.

Bryan A
Reply to  MarkW
January 9, 2018 12:12 pm

My guess would be right after President Trump’s second term

Komrade Kuma
Reply to  Latitude
January 9, 2018 12:41 pm

The UN to be dismantled? I think that would be a very good idea and Trump making such a call is a realistic scenario.

BTW, as a descendant of a convict sent to Oz, I would welcome wih open arms fresh new blood selected for climate skepticism. They could be used to replace the allocation to queue jumpers some ot the other trash we have been taking in. They might also precipitate an exodus of CAW alarmist who just will not share a country with such people on ‘moral grounds’…. Win-Win I call that.

Reply to  Latitude
January 9, 2018 8:21 pm

In 2017 / 18, the current US President is cutting the UN’s funding. And not before time.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/us-cut-un-funding-285m-donald-trump-nikki-haley-jerusalem-a8128426.html
Will the UN remove their headquarters from New York in response? More pertinently, will the UN Diplomatic corps wives allow a retreat from the capital of retail? This could get interesting. Methinks Oprah will never even get a look in.

January 9, 2018 9:30 am

Thanks for the pdf copy.

Think I’ll print it out and use for toilet paper. Hopefully those words are sufficient to convey my sense of it.

Poor Richard, retro-crank grammarian
January 9, 2018 9:35 am

“re-orientated”? Seriously? How ’bout just plain old re-oriented? Hmmmm?

But once it has been re-oriented, then we can talk about its new orientation, okay?

Bryan A
Reply to  Poor Richard, retro-crank grammarian
January 9, 2018 9:59 am

Or we could discuss it’s new reorientation

Paul Penrose
Reply to  Poor Richard, retro-crank grammarian
January 9, 2018 10:15 am

This is being abused all the time now. I heard someone the other day say that they had “commentated” on something. I rolled my eyes involuntarily.

Bryan A
Reply to  Paul Penrose
January 9, 2018 12:14 pm

Weren’t your feelings just totally exacerbated

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Paul Penrose
January 9, 2018 6:22 pm

It’s terrible when speeches are rated
On comments, over-commentated.
The content’s obliterated
By syllables exacerbated
From grammar that’s over-instated.

(how’s that?)
😉

kaliforniakook
Reply to  Poor Richard, retro-crank grammarian
January 9, 2018 1:45 pm

Re-orientated may be correct – if the author meant re-oriented to face the east.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  kaliforniakook
January 12, 2018 5:11 pm

Re-Asianed. Can’t use Orient now. Must use a much too broad designation to include people who aren’t “asian”.

Annie
Reply to  Poor Richard, retro-crank grammarian
January 9, 2018 3:38 pm

Reorientated sounds right to me. I always thought reoriented sounds odd and probably American English?

gnomish
Reply to  Annie
January 9, 2018 4:53 pm

illiteracy- turning language into mashed potatataters forever!

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Poor Richard, retro-crank grammarian
January 9, 2018 9:13 pm

Surely he meant to write, “re-orientationized.”

ResourceGuy
January 9, 2018 9:41 am

I know what this would be labeled in headlines across the globe if a conservative proposed it or spoke it or murmured it.

RWturner
Reply to  ResourceGuy
January 9, 2018 2:10 pm

It would be funny if someone rewrote it with changing a few words and played it off as a conservative plot.

Jay
January 9, 2018 9:41 am

Seriously? WTF HP?

Sara
January 9, 2018 9:43 am

OH. MY. DINOSAUR!!!!! Where were these clowndogs when the Dust Bowl was underway???

Penal colonies? They can go first. I will be happy to escort them there. In fact, I have underway a novella based on something like that, in which all large cities are walled up and no one is allowed to leave, deliveries are made by robot trucks to robot terminals, and the only thing available to eat there is graham crackers. (See movies: Escape from LA, Soylent Green, Purge, Hunger Games, Divergent Series, etc.) I believe it was Robert Heinlein who described something like this in the short story ‘Coventry’. Aldous Huxley’s
‘Brave New World’ and the bizarre enclosed world of ‘Logan’s Run’ are other good examples. The difference is that I focus on life outside those walls.

Well, boys and girls – if that’s the future these cranks envision for us, I say we make quite sure that they go first. I will enjoy watching them go. I know how to make a garden grow and raise chickens for eggs and meat. They don’t.

To anyone interested in a more basic way of life, e.g., cooking on a wood-fired stove: see Lehman’s Hardware (Kidron, OH).

I don’t find this arrogant twaddle to be scary. I DO find it to be presumptious, ignorant of real facts, and yes, possible grounds for a class action lawsuit involving threats and intimidation toward a specific group of people. What most people don’t understand about the Inquisition was that the smart people survived by outsmarting their Inquisitors.

January 9, 2018 9:53 am

Alexander Solzhenitsyn wrote about this “future state” when he described the gulags of the Soviet Republic. Interesting that HP supports researchers hankering for a return to the police state and absent personal freedoms, all excused by a religious belief in how human sin controls the weather – a belief that takes us back to the dark ages. One must ask if this type of thinking is consistent with a manufacturing products based on science and advanced technology.

J Mac
January 9, 2018 9:58 am

In a world of AGW fascists (and the plethora of other socialist enforcement cadres), hauling people off to the gulag is much more difficult when US citizens exercise their 2nd Amendment rights.

Bryan A
Reply to  J Mac
January 9, 2018 10:02 am

AND they’re trying to “Chip” away at that one too

Sara
Reply to  J Mac
January 9, 2018 3:56 pm

There are more of US than there are of The THEM there AGWers/Warmians/whatever they are this week. .

C Chernault
January 9, 2018 9:59 am

Was this paper intended as a cautionary tale or as a planning document?

Lucius von Steinkaninchen
January 9, 2018 10:05 am

I didn’t know that HP was shifting its business focus to writing pulp scifi.

No wonder their laptops got that crappy.

sy computing
Reply to  Lucius von Steinkaninchen
January 9, 2018 10:47 am

Elitebook series is still good…go business class regardless of OEM.

Reply to  sy computing
January 9, 2018 5:49 pm

Cracked up when I read ” …. water shortages have already forced the abandonment of Central Australia …”
Technically correct maybe. The Titanosaurs and Diprotodons had to move on as it dried out, but sometimes the inland sea returns.
No point threatening to blacklist HP for this garbage if it’s 10 years old. I gave up HP because of the dreadful printer software rather than the products, but still have the Elitebook. Runs WIndows 10 (with most of the bs under control) and a SSD to replace the ageing clockwork drive, so it runs faster than when it was new.

sy computing
Reply to  sy computing
January 10, 2018 6:57 am

martin:

You speak the truth on HP consumer-class printer software…a real mess!

RobT
January 9, 2018 10:12 am

This is not some mythic dystopian future. This is technocracy. Those smart meters on your houses can be used to shut down the smart appliances inside your house. That’s what the technocrats mean by “load balancing”.

Sara
Reply to  RobT
January 9, 2018 12:33 pm

Yeah, okay, RobT but if I do NOT have ANY smart appliances in my house, how are they going to shut them down? I can light my kitchen stove with matches if I have to, you know, and I can convert the entire house to run on a natural gas generator.

Shut me down and I sue you and win. Try harder.

Sheri
Reply to  Sara
January 11, 2018 8:40 am

Agreed. I have an analogue TV, my stove also lights with a match if necessary, my microwave has a dial, etc. I have a computer, but the backup is not on the computer so if someone wants to wipe my computer, I still have the info. I have a backup generator and a wood stove. While I use tech to some degree, and have worked on computers and IT, I don’t let it run my life.

sy computing
Reply to  Sheri
January 11, 2018 10:29 am

Sheri:

I’m with you, e.g., I don’t do Fakebook, Tweaker, etc., and my phone is dumb as a rock!

Yet I run my own IT shop.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  RobT
January 10, 2018 6:31 am

report i read yesterday said LG intent to smartchip ALL their appliances..so i wont be buying LG.
and the hp pcs and their preloaded drives n preset bois are a right pain if you want to replace their harddrive and get it to run
even the emachines dont handle any other drive i found the hard way;-(

sy computing
Reply to  ozspeaksup
January 11, 2018 7:36 am

“…and the hp pcs and their preloaded drives n preset bois are a right pain if you want to replace their harddrive and get it to run…”

Wow…I wonder if this problem is EU specific? I have absolutely NO issues replacing hardware in HP machines.

ResourceGuy
January 9, 2018 10:16 am

The camps in Germany started out as holding camps for domestic political deniers and non-pledge takers in the early phases of the regime plans.

Latitude
January 9, 2018 10:18 am

These computer companies are a piece of work….get caught slowing PC’s down on purpose….and now they invent and excuse to do it on purpose…whatever it takes to get people to buy new ones

Microsoft says older Windows versions will face greatest performance hits after Meltdown, Spectre patches

http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-says-older-windows-versions-face-greatest-meltdown-spectre-performance-issues/

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Latitude
January 10, 2018 6:34 am

but if older than 10yrs NOT buggy chipped and not able to get updates anyway?
i dont think thats going to affect us frankly.

MarkW
Reply to  Latitude
January 11, 2018 7:14 am

In your opinion, Microsoft conspired with Intel to put buggy hardware in the chips Intel was making?
That Microsoft puts most of their effort in designing high quality software patches for a hardware bug, into their latest stuff, is hardly surprising.

January 9, 2018 10:23 am

Not too surprising that HP have an authoritarian streak in their corporate culture.
In their PCs (computers) they also restrict customer freedom – you can’t for example go to a website like NVidia and directly update the driver for the graphics card – you can only wait till their ponderous HP update machine gets round to it. This is intolerable for our business in xray 3D imaging technology so that is why we only buy Dell – where you have much more flexibility and leeway. (We use NVidia cards for their CUDA GPU programming platform).

Plus, living in Belgium, I can’t even view the hp website in English! My only options are French or Dutch! If I try to go to the UK or USA sites I get “you are forbidden access to this server”. Creepy.

sy computing
Reply to  ptolemy2
January 9, 2018 10:50 am

“…you can’t for example go to a website like NVidia and directly update the driver for the graphics card …”

You sure this an HP problem?

I’ve never had any issues with HP business class machines not accepting driver updates from OEM vendors. In fact, not sure how the machine could possibly stop you?

ptolemy2
Reply to  sy computing
January 10, 2018 11:06 am

Business class machines maybe. But on a 800 dollar laptop bought for our daughter at school, I tried a GPU driver update and was explicitly blocked, and the order was barked to me “only use the supplied hp hardware update tool”. That was me told.

MarkW
Reply to  sy computing
January 11, 2018 7:16 am

On one hand, people complain when non-approved drivers make their computers unstable. They also complain when companies try to limit the ability to install non-approved drivers.

sy computing
Reply to  sy computing
January 11, 2018 7:40 am

“I tried a GPU driver update and was explicitly blocked, and the order was barked to me “only use the supplied hp hardware update tool”.

VERY interesting! I’ve never heard of nor seen such in the US market.

Are you in the US market, btw?

Michael Carter
January 9, 2018 10:23 am

I will read the entire document over time. However my first reaction was that it must be a provocative piece of futuristic fiction. I would be very careful about judging intent as this could result in a gross injustice to the authors.

e.g. It is (IMO) a great idea for a movie.

Just my personal first reaction. Its just to crazy to be serious – surely?

m

mikewaite
Reply to  Michael Carter
January 9, 2018 12:51 pm

I do not know if the following report on developments in China is to be believed, but the future as proposed above appears to be well in the making:

-“magine a world where many of your daily activities were constantly monitored and evaluated: what you buy at the shops and online; where you are at any given time; who your friends are and how you interact with them; how many hours you spend watching content or playing video games; and what bills and taxes you pay (or not). It’s not hard to picture, because most of that already happens, thanks to all those data-collecting behemoths like Google, Facebook and Instagram or health-tracking apps such as Fitbit. But now imagine a system where all these behaviours are rated as either positive or negative and distilled into a single number, according to rules set by the government. That would create your Citizen Score and it would tell everyone whether or not you were trustworthy. Plus, your rating would be publicly ranked against that of the entire population and used to determine your eligibility for a mortgage or a job, where your children can go to school – or even just your chances of getting a date.

A futuristic vision of Big Brother out of control? No, it’s already getting underway in China, where the government is developing the Social Credit System (SCS) to rate the trustworthiness of its 1.3 billion citizens. The Chinese government is pitching the system as a desirable way to measure and enhance “trust” nationwide and to build a culture of “sincerity”. As the policy states, “It will forge a public opinion environment where keeping trust is glorious. It will strengthen sincerity in government affairs, commercial sincerity, social sincerity and the construction of judicial credibility.” “-

http://www.wired.co.uk/article/chinese-government-social-credit-score-privacy-invasion

Noticed this post on Jonova’s site a few days ago .
Even if only a scare story , the new technologies make it very easy for any Government to control its citizens should it wish to do so- and really why would it not want to do so?

Sara
Reply to  mikewaite
January 9, 2018 3:53 pm

The Chinese really aren’t very far removed from Mao’s government or the Gang of Four, and all the stuff that went with it. If you do not know how they mishandled the reactions of students in Tiannanmen Square in 1989, look it up. It was a massacre. They botched it, denied anything at all had happened, and had to backtrack and cover their mistakes when the videos reached the media.
So what they are doing now is not new, it is just a repeat of what went before.

Justanelectrician
Reply to  mikewaite
January 9, 2018 4:23 pm

Considering how much time Google execs spent in Obama’s White House, I thought we would get there first.

billw1984
Reply to  Michael Carter
January 10, 2018 6:50 am

I agree. It may be more of a futuristic warning story.

Bear
January 9, 2018 11:48 am

Well, that tears it. I not buying another HP product again.

Sheri
Reply to  Bear
January 10, 2018 10:53 am

I gave up on HP years ago. However, there is a limit to how many companies you can boycott. We still need to eat, there are electronics and so forth. My consumption has gone way down, but I still end up needing items from businesses I’m not fond of.

MarkW
Reply to  Sheri
January 11, 2018 7:19 am

A lot of time, in the real world, your choice is to select the least objectionable.
This a dilemma for both people and countries.

Joel Snider
January 9, 2018 12:13 pm

Warmists (and Progressives in general) have only been fantasizing on this very thing since they cooked this whole AGW scam up.
And the Fourth Reich marches forward.

January 9, 2018 12:29 pm

In July of 1989 I entered East Berlin and East Germany through Checkpoint Charlie. The dreaded communist Honecker regime was still in power then; it was just four months before the Wall fell.

I wrote the following long ago and I didn’t keep track of dates then – probably about 2010.

THIS FEARFUL, REPRESSIVE SCENARIO IS WHAT THE LEFTISTS WANT FOR AMERICA.
____________________________

I had the privilege and misfortune of travelling into East Germany in July of 1989, just before the fall of the Berlin Wall.

We were on a business mission to West Germany, and somehow our bosses had committed us at the last minute to a brief detour into the East.

One of our group refused to go, saying it was a despicable totalitarian sh!thole, so we agreed to meet him in Cologne.

We flew to Tegel airport in West Berlin, and were escorted by a Stasi driver though West Berlin. It was Friday night, and West Berlin looked exciting, electric..

We travelled though the Berlin Wall at Checkpoint Charlie, and the world changed. I had been sitting in the front seat beside the driver snapping photos, but when I tried to take one of the East German checkpoint, I felt resistance as I tried to lift my camera. The Stasi driver’s hand was on my camera holding it down, even as he looked the other way, talking through his window to the East German border guard.

We took a sharp left and then a sharp right onto the main street, called Unter den Linden. The majestic Brandenburg Gate was visible just behind us. As we passed the Reichstag, I lifted my camera to snap a picture. The driver stopped quickly to assist my photo, and it was suddenly obvious that there were no other vehicles on the street, and no pedestrians either.

We stayed at the Metropol Hotel that first night, and went for a walk after dinner. I had asked my dinner hosts if I could go for a jog in the morning, and was cautioned that “We do not jog in East Berlin” I then asked if I could go for a long walk, and was assured, with a telling look, “You can walk anywhere in East Berlin – you will be perfectly safe, not like your London and New York”.

We soon found out what he meant – every block had eight small kiosks staffed with police, two on each side of the street. At any time we were within easy view of perhaps ten such police posts. Again, we were the only people on the street. The police talked quietly with each other on their telephones, and seemed to know that we were no cause for alarm. Their primary job to prevent any attempts by East Germans to defect to the Western embassies located on Unter den Linden.

In our brief stay, we visited a mine to view some equipment, had interminable meetings in a very hot room, learned that the local cola beverage was called Prik Cola, and found that our business colleagues in East Germany were pretty human, much like ourselves.

I also had sufficient liberty to get away from our group, and was able to observe that East German infrastructure was crumbling, the roads, buildings, sewage systems, cars, trains, heavy equipment, electrics, electronics, etc. etc. etc. were fifty years out-of-date and falling apart. Environmental degradation by industry was severe and disgusting.

More significantly, the East German people were a fearful lot – frightened to death of me, lest someone think they were communicating with me and report them to the dreaded Stasi. Those condemned to the Stasi, and there were many, would lose their jobs and could wind up in prison – their lives would be ruined.

My friend was right – East Germany was a vicious totalitarian state, and worse. We all decided that we had seen enough, and agreed to leave a day early.

We took a taxi to the Wall, and negotiated our way through Checkpoint Charlie again, this time without the assistance of our Stasi driver, and spent the extra day walking around West Berlin.

We saw a memorial to those who had been killed trying to escape through the Wall. The last death took place a few months earlier in February 1989, when Chris Gueffroy died trying to escape into West Berlin. Gueffroy was hit in the chest by ten shots and died in the border strip. He was 20 years old.

Several months later the Wall fell, and I stayed up all night watching the celebrations on CNN.

Now that was a good day!

Epilogue:

I recall our Canadian NDP leaders extolling the virtues of East Germany to the Canadian public, and their stories being dutifully reported by the Canadian press – how East Germany was the “Economic Engine of the Soviet Union”, “The Workers’ Paradise”, and all that other BS. I shall never forgive the Canadian left for these self-serving lies, and I will never believe a word they say.

A few years later, I was back in Berlin on another business trip. Although I no longer jogged, I walked to the Brandenburg Gate. Then, I broke into a slow jog, and ambled my way through the Brandenburg Gate and down Unter den Linden.

You see, now, we do jog in East Berlin.

Sara
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
January 9, 2018 12:43 pm

Yeah, well, I know someone who was posted in the 1980s to the East-West border of Germany, and while on patrol with his unit got a Cold War emergency call to help rescue an East German soldier who was trying to escape by climbing over the razor wire fencing hung with claymore mines. The escapee was badly cut and had been shot, but he was still alive.

I’m old enough to remember Conrad Schumann’s desperate attempt to escape East Berlin by jumping a barbed wire barrier at Checkpoint Charlie.

Like the fencing, ditches, and other barriers, the Wall was built to keep people IN East Berlin, not to keep anyone OUT.

Reply to  Sara
January 9, 2018 3:56 pm

Hi Sara. You may like this true story:

In July of 1989, I observed that the approach to Checkpoint Charlie on the East Berlin side had very sharp and narrow right-angle turn, designed to slow all traffic to a crawl. I asked about this and was told that an East German guy, his girlfriend and their baby had crashed Checkpoint Charlie in a heavy truck, so the East German authorities had rerouted the approach to prevent this from recurring.

I thought this was pretty cool, and had images of the East German checkpoint being dragged 100 yards into downtown West Berlin. It was almost that good – below is their story.

DUMP TRUCK CRASHES BERLIN WALL; THREE SAFE IN WEST
August 30, 1986 | From LA Times Wire Services

http://articles.latimes.com/1986-08-30/news/mn-14153_1_west-berlin

{excerpts}
WEST BERLIN — A man swerved a dump truck through East German police gunfire early Friday and escaped through the Berlin Wall as his girlfriend and their baby huddled on the floor, West Berlin police said.
None of the three was hurt.

The man, who worked for an East German construction company, told Western Allied officials questioning him that he and his girlfriend were dissatisfied with conditions in East Berlin.

The escape, under floodlights at heavily guarded Checkpoint Charlie, took five or 10 seconds and was one of the most spectacular in years.

The 7 1/2-ton dump truck, loaded with gravel, roared through at least two barriers at 12:05 a.m. and rammed a steel gate.

U.S. military police followed the driver after he raced into the West. He didn’t stop until he was more than half a mile past the wall.

West Berlin police said East German guards fired at least three shots, and the front of the truck was a wreck from barrier-bashing. In its wake was a pile of broken windshield glass and twisted metal barriers.
Police said the driver swerved into oncoming traffic when an automatic barrier descended in front of him, but dodged cars heading into East Berlin.

Throughout the day Friday, East German guards worked to erase signs of damage at the checkpoint, a main wall crossing between Communist East Berlin and West Berlin.

Seventy-four people have died trying to escape across the Berlin Wall since it was put up on Aug. 13, 1961. More than 4,900 people have succeeded, although most escapes occurred in the 1960s, before defenses were improved.

Details of the Checkpoint Charlie escape were still being pieced together late Friday.

Allied and West Berlin authorities questioned the couple, then took them and the infant to a refugee center in West Berlin, according to The Aug. 13 Working Group, a private organization that monitors Berlin Wall escapes.

The escapees will be allowed to stay in West Germany, under longstanding West German practice.

{Epilogue: And they all lived happily ever after…}

Reply to  Eric Worrall
January 9, 2018 3:25 pm

Old Osti saying:
“We pretend to work… They pretend to pay us.”

K. Kilty
Reply to  Eric Worrall
January 9, 2018 6:44 pm

A young German exchange student at our university tells me that the “idea” of East Germany is very popular with German young people today because…”everyone had a job.”

Annie
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
January 9, 2018 3:53 pm

My sister and I went on a brief tour of East Berlin many years ago (early 70’s) and found it very depressing. Checkpoint Charlie Museum was very sobering. It was just amazing the lengths people went to to escape their socialist communist ‘paradise’. We were very relieved to pass back to West Berlin and even more pleased to negotiate the road journey back to West Germany. I hated seeing our passports disappear into the kiosks to be checked. I did note that the Russian soldiers were less unfriendly than the East German soldiers.

Jeffrey Barker
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
January 9, 2018 7:51 pm

Thanks for that Allan. I remember watching it on TV here in the UK and at that time I felt glad that communism seemed to be collapsing.
I can’t believe so many of our younger generation seem to want to embrace such a nefarious regime.
They do say if you don’t know your history you are doomed to repeat it.

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
January 10, 2018 8:51 am

I went into East Berlin through the Brandenburg Gate shortly after the wall fell.

My two main memories are of the huge golden statue of the Russian soldier standing guard just inside the gate. The other is that the faces of all the buildings were still shot up — full of bullet holes and pock-marks, all from WWII. East Berlin near the gate was an utter shambles.

Reply to  Pat Frank
January 10, 2018 9:29 am

I drove through E Germany in 1977 to and from Poland, one piece of paper dropped down past the seat. When we initially didn’t produce the document the border guards got very aggressive! Coming back there was a Polish family just behind us at the border crossing, the guards made them take everything out of the car and spread it out over the ground. They were scary guys, there was quite a relief when we crossed the tank traps on the way back into W Germany. I have o photo somewhere that shows a huge sign saying:
‘Ost Berlin Hauptstadt der DDR’ and a tiny little one saying ‘West Berlin”.

Reply to  Pat Frank
January 11, 2018 9:45 pm

Hi pat,

You wrote:
“My two main memories are of the huge golden statue of the Russian soldier standing guard just inside the gate. The other is that the faces of all the buildings were still shot up — full of bullet holes and pock-marks, all from WWII. East Berlin near the gate was an utter shambles.”

East Berlin near the Brandenburg Gate was their “showplace”, with all the embassies, etc.

The rest of East Germany was generally worse.

Good people though – just trying to get by while living under the Soviet boot.

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
January 12, 2018 5:47 pm

Some seriously deluded people have falsely alleged that the use of the word “sh!thole” brands one Donald Trump a racist. Now I do not know Mr. Trump, but I can state with absolute confidence that the term “sh!thole “is a technical term used in international business to describe certain locales where lack of prosperity, fundamental freedoms and/or physical amenities makes life extremely difficult and/or perilous for people we might employ there.

In defense of Mr. Trump, I note the following post from 2016 which quotes previous posts I made circa 2005 that make use of the disputed term.

If this makes me a racist, then it is falsely alleged that I am not only prejudiced against tan-skinned, dark-eyed Cubans, but also against blonde-haired, blue-eyed East Germans.

A much more plausible interpretation is that I am strongly opposed to totalitarian regimes that force their people to live in extreme poverty and deprivation, with no real human rights.

Perhaps this Mr, Trump, whoever he is, has the same strong aversion to tyranny..

Regards to all, Allan

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/11/26/world-mourns-mass-murderer-and-climate-warrior-fidel-castro/comment-page-1/#comment-2353374

Hi Gary and thank you for your post.

Ronald Reagan was correct – East Germany was a sh!thole, part of the Evil Empire.

Regards, Allan

Also posted circa 2005:

I’ve also been to Cuba, once, also a business trip. Nice people, Terrible Government.

Cuba is not as openly repressive as Honecker’s East Germany, but I am sure that those who express dissent have a life that is interesting and short.

I am not easily fooled by the “Potemkin Villages” of communist regimes. Apparently our Canadian socialist leaders, the Lewis’s and Broadbent, WERE fooled by these deceptions. They were, and remain, imbeciles.

In Cuba, everything, even basic foods, are in short supply. People were used to being hungry. Everyone was thin, except Fidel and Raul. Prosperity in Cuba is having a relative in Miami who sends you stuff.

We hung out with the band at our hotel, and they took us to the local watering holes where Cubans partied. We had a good, clean fun time. But it was clear that Cubans lived in extreme poverty, and prostitution with tourists was commonly practiced, even by decent young women who were helping to feed their hungry families.

Cuba’s normally joyful society has been deeply degraded by Communism under Fidel. He is a true bastard.

In East Germany, things were much worse. People weren’t always hungry, but they were always afraid. Afraid of me, because of my western clothes – just talking to me could land them in prison. But most of all, afraid of the Stasi, the East German secret police.

We were driven by the Stasi from Tegel airport in West Berlin through Checkpoint Charlie into East Berlin. The contrast was startling. It was Friday night and West Berlin, then one of the great fun cities of the world, was popping. A quick stop at the Checkpoint, and then a sharp left/right turn onto Unter den Linden, the main street extending from the Brandenburg Gate.

What a contrast! Ours was the ONLY vehicle on the entire street, and there were NO pedestrians. There were eight little police kiosks on each contiguous city block – to keep potential defectors away from the western embassies and the Wall.

The Stasi lived well – but everyone, including the Stasi, were always afraid. The stress must have been overwhelming.

You wonder who would want to run such repressive, horrible regimes. Psychopaths, I suppose

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Potemkin Village.
Origin:
1935-40; after Prince Potemkin, who allegedly had villages of cardboard constructed for Catherine II’s visit to the Ukraine and the Crimea in 1787.

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