For those who follow the cult-like world of Anthropogenic Global Warming promoters, this has to be the Tweet of the year. What’s fun about it, is not just the way President Trump frames the missive and pokes a jab at the Paris Accord, but the reactions to it. Of course many of the same people who are calling it a wide variety of things (stupid, irresponsible, anti-science, etc.) are the very same people who promote short term heat waves as “proof” of human caused climate change getting worse.
In the East, it could be the COLDEST New Year’s Eve on record. Perhaps we could use a little bit of that good old Global Warming that our Country, but not other countries, was going to pay TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS to protect against. Bundle up!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 29, 2017
Reading some of the responses in the Twitter feed reveals just how much of a disturbance on the force President Trump created with this one Tweet.
Of course, explanations as to why this cold wave is insignificant already abound from ‘climate scientists’. Let’s be sure to remind them this summer when they claim that a week-long heat wave is proof of their premise.
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Friends don’t let friends be diminutive. It’s Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming. Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Change if you’re diverse..
“…many of the same people … are the very same people who promote short term heat waves as “proof” of human caused climate change getting worse.” They are such hypocrites for describing Trump’s understanding of the situation as not knowing the difference between climate and weather, and as Anthony correctly points out, that does not prevent the warmistas for portraying every heat wave as proof of CAGW.
This is going to get ugly when the Great White Hope of warming in the Arctic recedes. Let the ocean cycles have their way with them. The solar cycles are welcome too.
Now Sarah Myrhe’s running her mouth. These people have no self awareness. Conflating weather events with climate is their stock and trade.
https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2017/12/29/25664425/trump-shows-his-fundamental-ignorance-about-weather-and-climate-change-in-his-latest-tweet
s̶t̶o̶c̶k̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶t̶r̶a̶d̶e̶ stock in trade.
For a “climate scientist” she should know better.
Myrhe says “covalent bonds in CO2 molecules absorb Infrared Energy (aka HEAT). More CO2, more heat captured, more atmospheric warming. And guess what? Those predictions come true year after year after year.”
Although amateurish and assertive, to a degree, this is true, and It has been warming since the end of the last neo-glacial. But CO2 does not trap heat, it actually convects it (hot air rises). CO2 a radiatively active molecule and is IR resonant at an amplitude around 15 microns, for which the corresponding temperature is approx. minus 80 degrees C. This enables it to absorb and re-emit outgoing long-wave terrestrial IR at what’s called the “Top Of the Atmosphere” (TOA) where there is no water vapor, thus causing a delay in the radiative cooling process.
Given the speed of light, to what extent this “delay” disturbs the equilibrium between outgoing long-wave IR and incoming short-wave IR so as to increase surface temperatures and supposedly change the climate is unknown and not in evidence. However, there are estimates ranging from next to zero to the IPCC’s range of 1.5 to 4.5 degrees C. per atmospheric doubling of somewhat dubious ice-core calculated pre-industrial levels. And, as we all know, estimates aren’t measurements.
What “evidence” there is amounts to extrapolations of short term trends, mathematical imagination (computer models), comparing proxy temperature reconstructions with the instrumental record and using a taxpayer funded academic “consensus” as the icing on the cake.
Unbelievable.
Yep, the biggest Scientific scam in history.
But don’t they all get paid very well for spouting their rubbish?
I think you might be right ACOsborn, given what’s happened in Ontario.
Shutting down coal (1/3 of our baseload), refurbishing old nukes ($50 billion and counting), investing in wind/solar power with the necessary conventional backup (another $50 billion) and spot market dumping of excess “alternative” power ($1-2 billion per annum).
IMHO the biggest fiscal scam in Ontario’s history and the optics on this issue prevent a detached and reasoned discussion. Oh well, I guess we’re Ok, nobody seems to care.
The carbonphobes have been played. Trump’s tweet and their responses have boxed them into a corner where they can be mocked as fools when they conflate weather events with climate.
Amazing the firestorm one simple Trump tweet has stirred up. The weather isn’t climate soTrump is ignorant meme by NYT, Myhre, Hayhoe, and many others who deliberatately and frequently use weather as examples of CAGW—Harvey, previous Cali drought, previous Texas drought. Twittering Deplorables are flinging the hypocracy back in their faces with links to their past comments, and it is being picked up by Fox, Daily Caller, and ther old and new media outlets.
Not just one mission accomplished, several. Take down AGW, remind on Paris, take down MSM.
It shows how irritated and thin-skinned the Alarmistas have become. They now realize that there is a quite important person not impressed by their rigmarole. They now realize that real life is going to hurt them where it hurts them most: their wallet. The ticket sale for the gravy train is over, position closed!
Kurt Schlichter over at Townhall sums it up nicely:
“Trump Ends 2017 Residing In His Enemies’ Heads”
https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/12/28/trump-ends-2017-residing-in-his-enemies-heads-n2427402
This is all fun, but in a few years after cooling has commenced, we’ll be able to ask in earnest “where has the global warming gone”? Global cooling, which is far more dangerous than the slight warming we’ve experienced since the LIA may indeed begin some time in 2019:
Joe Bastardi has an enlightening presentation over on WeatherBell that relates well to discussions here.
Go to http://www.weatherbell.com , click on the ‘Premium’ tab on the top bar, and then click on the Daily Update video.
Apparently while you were following Trump’s tweets you failed to notice that yesterday the EPA published an Advanced Notice of Public Rule Making for GHG emissions from EGUs. You may want to check that out.
Trump Ends 2017 Residing In His Enemies’ Heads: https://goo.gl/8jkyRj
Helps explain why President Trump enjoys his job so much….
@Chuck in Houston beat me to the post while I was type and searching!
this would be sad and funny at same time if true:
“Russia sparked fury after Vladimir Putin’s diplomats boasted they are helping to heat up Britain by sending a shipment of gas as the country suffers from an Arctic blast.
Moscow’s embassy in London tweeted ‘help is on the way’ as it announced the first ever shipment of liquefied natural gas had docked in the UK amid freezing temperatures.
A row erupted as UK sources said none of the gas would enter the National Grid because Britain had enough and accused the embassy of ‘trolling’ the Government
Any country quaking in fear of a tenth of a degree of warming per decade needs to have their noses rubbed in it occasionally. There is a lesson to be learned.
Is Great Britain too far gone to learn it? Should we just change the maps to read Timid Britain?
One gets the idea that a lot of our politicians, and of course, most of the MSM here still haven’t got over Hillary not getting into the Whitehouse and many here in the UK take a dim view of the Donald thanks to our media. And as for his tweets! Makes their heads explode. (Me? Can’t wait for the next one!)
As far as the ‘climate crisis’ (quoting PM May) and our energy policy goes we’re years ahead of the Australians in the plan to destroy our industry with expensive, unreliable energy. However, there is a glimmer of hope with Brexit.
Just imagine if Climategate would have happened during the Trump administration – they wouldn’t have been able to shove the sh** back up in the horse.
Just think how many times the press came to the rescue of Obama and his cronies just on this issue alone.
Global warming is real, but it is not what these whackos are preaching that it is. Put the puzzle pieces together people. Our temps are drastically shifting, thatbis a fact and could not be more obvious. We had no spring…it went straight into summer and no fall, summer continued through until now, late December and boom an arctic blast. Connect the dots though. If every celebrity whom is “in the know,” is building underground bunkers and the billionaires of the world are preparing to colonize other planets (Mars, the Moon and beyond) and you have not caught on, you like the majority of this country has been “desensitized.” Yes, desensitized by the political, media and Hollywood elite. We are warming because there is an exoplanet that is entering our solar system, nearing our planet causing a total disruption in our environment. It is a mass rouge planet that we can not see yet (we will be able to w/I 3 yrs according to NASA I believe), but we can feel (it’s gravity). It’s the planet NASA is calling the 9th Planet, otherwise known by Zecheriah Sitchen as the 12th Planet or to the ancient Sumerians, the planet Niburu. There is a record of this planet entering our solar system on an elliptical orbit every 3600 years. It is the planet responsible for the great flood. Why do you think Elon Musk is planning to colonize Mars, building an atmosphere humans can sustain? Why did Stephen Hawking recently say, “Humans have 600 years to leave the planet?” I will tell you why, because Zecheriah Sitchen was correct in his translation of the cuneiform written Sumerian texts/tablets. We are in a race to leave the planet and China is right behind us buying up as many resources as they can to aid in leaving the planet. We are blind to what is going on bc humans have been desensitized like I said. It is only the “elites” mentioned above or those blessed with intuition or higher powers who can see what is happening. It is in your best interest to buy the book the 12th Planet by Zecheriah Sitchen. It is a true awakening of what happened on this planet thousands of years ago. It was written and left for us in stone. It pre-dates the Bible and gives the full stories which are abridged in the Holy Bible. It will tell you in detail exactly where we came from and exactly where we are going. We don’t suddenly introduce stem programs in schools for no reason, right? We are grooming today’s youth to be Astronauts, astrophysicists, Astro-engineers etc. Elon Musk, NASA etc are repeating history, by sending large groups of astronauts into space in shifts, just as the ancient astronauts, the Anannuki once did thousands of years ago. The majority of our knowledge comes from the past, combined with our advances of today. All of the messages in the pyramids and all of the ancient structure still standing hundreds of thousands of years later all tell the same story of a rogue planet that destroyed our planet via a great flood and will be back to do it again. How would any ancient civilization know how to build structures that would stand the rest of time? That would be aligned with the constellations? That would be mapped out with pure mathematical precision from the great pyramid (built at true north) and beyond? Find the answers in that book I recommended and start paying attention to what our space program is doing, how they are doing it, what resources they need to do it and what the geniuses of the world are doing and saying. They have knowledge, great, great ancient knowledge.
Happy New Year
Oh dear a real tin foil hat nut job.
“There is a record of this planet entering our solar system on an elliptical orbit every 3600 years. It is the planet responsible for the great flood. … “… all tell the same story of a rogue planet that destroyed our planet via a great flood and will be back to do it again.”
Um, perhaps you should drop the bit about “every celebrity whom is “in the know,” is building underground bunkers” then, Jamie . . Not a good fit with the global flood meme ; )
Any planet big enough to devastate the Earth in the manner in which you describe would also devastate Mars.
I am trying to understand what we are supposed to be experiencing. It used to be global warning. Then changed to man-made climate change. If you shortened it to climate change you were scolded that you did not know what you were talking about since it was man-made climate that was the problem not climate change. I was chastised many times for this massive slip up on blogs in the past. Not only was I not an expert with peer reviewed papers but I did not even know what the proper name to call it.
Using that same logic it appears that very few of the man-made climate change believers know what they are talking about now using the same metric that they established above. If you look at the comments on President Trump’s tweet climate change is often used, global warming is also used by so called experts that believe in man-made climate change. Man-made is not included in most of the comments.
Geez, if you cannot name the problem you are supposed to be solving, how do you solve it. Wait, I know, send money to the government so that they can properly name the problem as well as solve the problem. It is a win, win for the believers.
A couple of recent headlines:
New Year’s Freeze-Out: It Can Still Get Cold, Even in a Warming Climate
Believe it or not, global climate change is very real even if it’s cold outside
I just noticed another shift in several of the recent headlines and posts. Global is now appearing in the place of man-made. Wonder what that shift means for the believer? Maybe it is easier to write Global Climate Change vs. man-made climate change. But shouldn’t it be Global Man-made Climate Change to sound official and expert like.
Heat wave? What about every hurricane that hit the US this year. Hurricanes never hit land before global warming. And then the climate scientists determined Harvey dumped 10% more rain because of global warming as well.
Anyone still need convincing that this blog is driven was much by Conservative politics as it is by science?
If being sick and tired of dangerous pompus communists is “conservative politics” then sign me up
Thanks Mr.McCarthy ! Excellent point.
Typical liberal. All criticism of a liberal is the equivalent of McCarthyism.
Who was proven right, BTW.
…You didn’t build that
This site does exactly what it says on the label. Read Anthony Watts ‘ statement in the About section:
About Watts Up With That? News and commentary on puzzling things in life, nature, science, weather, climate change, technology, and recent news by Anthony Watts
It seems , by the footfall, to be an irresistible blend for all personalities , including those such as your good self who are hostile to the majority viewpoint.
The majority viewpoint here is indeed a strongly Conservative one, however as a Democratic socialist and Zionist I tend to oppose the extremes of both the left and right. My point with this blog, is although I enjoy the debate, and sometimes the banter, it does seem that some posters are driven more by political belief than science. Have a look at Jon’s post above on this thread for how extreme positions can become amongst posters. McCarthyism is alive and kicking.
On the left we obviously have similar biases but for some reason, they seem more driven on the Conservative side with regard to climate science.
By the way, i’m definitely in the minority here, as we say, it’s a fair cop! However, currently, in the world of climate science, I believe the positions are reversed. 🙂
Gareth…it’s not even one degree
Errrmmm Gareth, scientific data has no political affiliation, much as you would like to pretend that it has.
I think that is the point I am trying to make Phil , albeit poorly. Science should have no political affiliation, but our posts are stacked to the hilt with it. Even the initial post suggests a strong link between Trumps politics and sceptical beliefs. In some ways it’s as invalid as saying Obama frightened many sceptics with basic science. It’s a dubious concept to introduce into a primarily scientific page.
As you know, Conservative politicians tend to emphasise the market and individual freedoms which affect how they will interpret science, while we on the left tend to think in terms of impacts on society and universal benefits with the same results. But it’s how far you let these political beliefs impinge on your discussion of the scientific process that is the issue.
Essentially if your political beliefs affect how you interpret scientific knowledge, that is understandable. But if your political beliefs affect how you drive science forward, that is concerning.
The daft science that came from Stalinist Russia and Fascist Germany are excellent, if obvious examples.
The breakdown occurs when posters accuse the other side of undermining science with political preconceptions, while being unaware they themselves are just as guilty. This goes for me as well as the Conservative majority. There is nothing wrong with being biased, as long as your have insight into your bias and understand how it governs your perceptions.
You’re absolutely right, Gareth…science should have no political affiliation.
The Senate voted in 1997 to reject anything along the lines of the Kyoto Protocol…by a 97-0 vote. Bill Clinton never submitted it for ratification. Global warming/climate change had no political affiliation. It was a very heated debate, of course. But there wasn’t a political split because of it.
Things changed early 2000s. If you were a Democrat, you supported Gore and his ridiculously hypocritical stance on global warming in a de facto manner. If you were a Republican, you were supporting Bush and his Texan pockets lined with oil money who were denying and fueling global warming. Gore lost the election but pushed his activist agenda harder.
There’s a reason that abortion is a “women’s rights” issue and not one decided by science.
@gareth
Nice red herring. The Science based question is the analysis of the validity of the claims. The Political question is what, if anything should be done about it.
Obama is scientifically illiterate. He has no background in any scientific work, or any association with physics or math. He was a third rate lawyer that was good at giving political speeches. He has never shown any understanding of the basics of physics beyond what is dumbed down for public consumption.
It has been my experience over the last 25 years, that the majority of skeptics are scientists, engineers, geologists, and statisticians, that understand the weaknesses in the assertions made by the climastrologist cabal.
So Obama “frightening people with basic science”, that have vastly more knowledge of science and math is absolutely ludicrous. And it certainly shows that you lack a clear understanding of who we are, and why we don’t agree with your agenda.
You have made it patently clear that you are NOT driven by science,
…. but to a mindless bowing to a brain-washed anti-science ideology / agenda..
What’s humorous to me is, that most of the social liberals I speak to have a very strong opinion on the climate change issue. However, the vast majority have done almost no actual looking into the matter beyond the surface of media driven headlines. Almost none of them understand anything in regards to the actual subject, but have jumped on the ‘anything and everything anti-Trump’ bandwagon. It’s an odd sight to behold, and I’m not a Trump supporter, except on his decision to leave the Paris Accord.
In my experience, most liberals are very concerned about the problems of the world.
And they want government to tax someone else in order to solve those problems.
“Anyone still need convincing that this blog is driven was much by Conservative politics as it is by science?”
Your absolute absence of Self-awareness renders you oblivious to your Confirmation Bias, intellectual deafness and blindness, and lack of reasoning skills. Sad!
Perhaps the ‘Conservative Politics’ you claim to be witnessing is driven by Science? I’ll bet the possibility never even occurred to your feeble cranial cavity-occupying substance.
Just because liberals are idiots is not evidence that everyone who laughs at them is a conservative.
Reminds me of a lighthearted song M4GW did a while back:
Is it safe to tweet that the globe does Not warm over the poles in the summer or will that destroy to many cherished dellusions?
President trump has benefited myself,as a Canadian, by providing over one year of the best television I have watched in decades.
Every night,live on any established news programme, another self importable windbag would lose their marbles.
The tantrum throwing of the self styled intellectuals has been priceless.
Happy New Year.
More Please.
I expect future benefits to Canada to be interesting.
The West Wants Out, maybe The USA could help, imagine driving to Alaska and never crossing a border.
Economics 101 will be unavoidable here very soon.
I hope my American cousins will enjoy revisiting us when we flaunt our economic “success” via the 40 cent(US) Canadian dollar.
I don’t think we’ll be invading Canada any time soon. 🙂
Sorry can’t help myself, RAH it is no longer possible to invade Canada,our Prince..I mean Prime Minister has decreed us to be the first Post Nation Thing-a gummy.
I was implying that for humanitarian reasons and because we are so interrelated, you might find it in your hearts to bail out the areas of Canada that recognize their real state of impoverishment and lack of any commonality with our eastern rulers.
Maybe western Canada will petition to join the USA, we’ll call it 3 states. Then California can be divided into 3 states. That will make 55 states, easier to add stars to the flag than the 57 in Obama’s mind.
By the way, did Obama say that he would move out of the country if Trump got elected?
“That will make 55 states, easier to add stars to the flag than the 57 in Obama’s mind.”
57 states? News to me! The United States of Heinz – 57 varieties.
Alan,
In his own words …..
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=obama+57+states&view=detail&mid=CD22A5E8E525C58EE408CD22A5E8E525C58EE408&FORM=VIRE
Hello Gareth, Griff here is your worst nightmare, the facts and only the facts. Clean coal is surging. Like I said the facts. only the facts
“The U.S. economy is surging, a fact that has led to higher demand and the opening of new coal mines.
Even if demand has remained robust in major markets, India is especially significant. The country is a major advocate for clean coal technology and a driving force for the “clean coal alliance.” This is a logical consequence of the fact that its coal-fired energy generation will increase by nearly 4% every 12 months in the years to come. Citing the fact that coal is the cheapest fuel to drive India’s economic development, chief economic adviser to the Indian government Arvind Subramanian repeatedly insisted that coal will remain the country’s primary source of energy over the medium term. In doing so, he laid bare a truth routinely denied by the renewables lobby – namely, that pursuing renewables at all costs is not a universally viable choice.”
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/12/clean_coal_is_surging.html#ixzz52hDTevQi
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“One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. Instead, climate change policy is about how we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth.” – Ottmar Edenhofer, lead author of the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change), speaking at the 2010, IPCC meeting.
This is the ‘climate change’ operating plan for socialist democrats and communists worldwide. Science (honest or otherwise) is only relevant if it can be skewed to support the regressive wealth redistribution agenda, as their socialist/communist IPCC leader openly acknowledged.
If the data doesn’t fit, adjust it!
With all the ice gone, wasn’t Al Gore going to swim fro Prudhoe Bay to Murmansk ?
Well hard to make some stuff up. In Canada the Prime Minister, Trudeau is all in with fighting “climate change” and is bringing in a carbon tax. Now Canada is having its 150th birthday this year and there was planned an end of year celebration in the Capital, Ottawa, but guess what, its too cold so celebrations have been mainly cancelled.
Ottawa is also in the province of Ontario which is all in to fight “climate change” , shutting down coal generation and building bird slicers. Those bird slicers are working just too well. Oh and just about the highest electrical rates in North America if not the world.
Carbon taxes are the primary goal and the climate is just a prop. It amounts to a regional and global intelligence test for voters, the largest intelligence test ever devised in fact. The last big ones were communism and that brown shirt party.
Such a predictable asymmetry is displayed by MSM journalists and too many climate scientists when it comes to weather that’s a couple standard deviations from normal, which it invariably will be once in awhile somewhere on the planet.
When there’s a hurricane or some maximum temperature record is broken, it’s all “CHIRP!CHIRP!CHIRP!CHIRP!CHIRP!!!… We TOLD YOU SO!!!… DENIERS!”
But when record cold is endured there’s not even a muted “………………..chirp…………………….” from the same gang. Instead, they’re peddling this pathetic rubbish that record cold is to be expected because of global warming blah blah blah… we told you SO!!!… DENIERS!” And invariably some horse’s patoot points out a global temperature anomaly map that uses a Mercator projection, where one step away from the North Pole a walk around the pole appears to be 25,000 miles instead of ~3.14 steps. And that’s the kind of drivel that is embraced by the “peers” of the field.
Climate Science… the ersatz scientific discipline where the MSM provides a fertile environment every day for the “But Wait… There’s MORE!!!” shtick.
President Trump has exposed most of the MSM as biased , agenda driven dim wits . Is it any wonder they bought and feed the global warming fear industry ? They are going broke for a reason . The internet and sites like this just call BS every time the MSM activists promote their chosen agenda .
Don’t know when journalism died but with few exceptions it has .
What they don’t seem to get is there are endless streams of agenda driven opinions and an alarming lack
fact based reporting . So which way did they go …. agenda driven opinions and spin . Not a winning strategy .
“Don’t know when journalism died”
It was right around 1967.
The Vietnam war polarized the U.S. press corp. Before the war, the press wasn’t particularly biased, at least not so you could tell. But after the war they were definitely biased and actively pushing a left-wing agenda. And they have continued that way ever since.
I see we have another leftwing, anti-war propaganda movie coming out about the Vietnam war. This one having to do with the Washington Post making the Pentagon Papers public.
When you watch this movie, just keep in mind that eventually the U.S. military won this war and defeated the enemy to the point that they wanted to sign a peace treaty.
The U.S. military can’t do anything about an anti-war U.S. Congress that wants to throw South Vietnam to the wolves, despite the victory.
The gist of the Pentagon Papers according to the anti-war Left was that American officials knew the war couldn’t be won from the very beginning, which is untrue. But even if it was true, it did not stop the U.S. from winning the military victory. The Left tries to attribute the loss of South Vietnam to anything and everything other than the real reason, which was the betrayal of South Vietnam by the American anti-war Left in the U.S. Congress. The Pentagon Papers give them lots of opportunities to distort the truth of the matter, and distort they do.
The mistakes outlined in the Pentagon Papers prolonged the war, mainly because the American Left put all sorts of obstacles in the path of victory, but there wasn’t some big conspiracy, as is claimed, and the mistakes were eventually corrected, and the military war was won.
And then the Anti-war Left in Congress (think Ted Kennedy) cut South Vietnam’s aid drastically, and then refused to come to South Vietnam’s aid when North Vietnam violated the peace agreement (two years after American combat troops had left the country and gone home), even though the U.S. was morally and legally obliged to aid South Vietnam, and even though the U.S. could have destroyed the North Vietnam invasion force without landing additional U.S. combat troops. All the Liberals had to do was give the ok to send in the B-52 bombers from Guam and other areas and this latest North Vietnamese attack would have been defeated in a matter of a few weeks.
A cowardly, immoral act on the part of the anti-war Left that led to the murder and displacement of millions of innocent people in the area. The Left is proud of what they have done, although they don’t accept any blame for anything.
Yeah, the Left is still lying about the Vietnam war all these many years later. They aren’t done trashing Vietnam veterans yet. That’s ok though, because we are going to trash them right back. Like Trump does. 🙂
I think it was the day Dan Rather got a promotion. That is the same Dan Rather that Walter Cronkite said should have been fired.