Friday Funny – the certainty of global warming and warmer, er colder, winters

From the “children just won’t know what snow is” department and political cartoonist Rick McKee of the Augusta Chronicle. He drew this in 2014, but with all the scrambling by climate scientists to explain our current record cold snap, this is still germane today.

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Editor
December 29, 2017 6:43 pm

and more, no wait, less snow, more, no wait less humidity, less, no wait more rain, more, no wait fewer Hurricanes.

Any theory that cannot be falsified is not a theory.

RockyRoad
Reply to  DC Cowboy
December 30, 2017 5:55 am

It appears the theorists have falsified themselves!

Sara
Reply to  DC Cowboy
December 30, 2017 6:53 am

While you guys are nattering on, I have a real issue with online forecasters like Accuweather. They are currently posting articles that imply that their ‘Real Feel’ temperature calculations are the actual temperature, which is not true. Their ‘Real Feel’ result frequently does not coincide with the wind chill, which is more accurate, and they are implying that ‘Real Feel’ counts for more.

Here’s a link to their current article on winter forecasts for the central USA including the Midwest: https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/piercing-cold-blast-to-feel-subzero-in-central-northeastern-us-in-time-for-2018/70003687

If you read that, you’ll see their emphasis on ‘Real Feel’. It’s my view that they are misleading people, intentionally or otherwise in this article, never mind their implying that this winter’s weather is somehow abnormal, when it is not.

Now, how does one get them to stop doing this and just report the weather and the forecasts accurately? They don’t like criticism at all.

Reply to  Sara
December 30, 2017 8:15 am

Crackuweather.

rocketscientist
Reply to  Sara
December 30, 2017 8:36 am

If they wanted to create an actual “quantifiable” measurement system they should concentrate on the heat energy (enthalpy) of the local atmosphere. However that would require the general populace to understand concepts like relative humidity, atmospheric pressure, latent heats of phase change, and all that other sciencey stuff that couldn’t be bothered with in high school.
Humans do not feel temperature. We sense heat flux through our skin, which is a more important adaptation as the flow of heat in/out of our bodies is far more important in controlling our internal core heat. Heat transfer rates are also very important. That is why when one “feels” items of equal temperature, one may feel colder than the other, such as between water and air. The heat transfer (convection) rate to dry vapors (air) varies between 0.5 – 1000 (W/(m2K)). The heat transfer rate to water is between 50 – 3000 (W/(m2K)). Water can “feel” 10 times colder than air of equal temperature. If you jump from a 22 °C room into a 22 °C pool it will feel damn cold! Which is why we evolved to realize that if we stay in cold water we will die.

So, if we really wanted to give people something meaningful perhaps we need a better name for:
Joules/kilogram

(more intelligent meterologists wouldn’t hurt either)

Editor
Reply to  Sara
December 30, 2017 10:09 am

I generally use weather.gov for near term forecasts and Joe Bastardi for forecasts that are way out there. (Weatherbell.com is doing quite well with their analogs this fall and winter.)

Richard Bell
Reply to  Sara
December 30, 2017 11:55 am

There are actually issues with the way windchill is measured. It uses a hot wire (as in many automotive Mass Airflow Sensors) and measures the energy lost from air movement and compares it to a calibration chart for heat loss in still air at the temperature indicated by the thermometer. So, if the temperature is -25 C and the hot wire indicates -42 C, it is announced as -25 C, -42 C with the windchill. As windchill is more or less a people problem, some brave volunteers stood in frozen wind tunnels to measure how quickly heat flowed from exposed skin as freezing cold air was blown past them.

The results of these tests did not match the hot wire methods for changes in heat loss, so more tests must be done to accurately measure wind chill, but that requires more brave volunteers.

jayhd
Reply to  Sara
December 30, 2017 7:09 pm

Wind chill charts and ‘Real Feel’ are to be used as guidelines when outdoors. They don’t have to be absolutely accurate to provide useful information. When participating in winter operations, we had to pay particular attention to the wind chill charts we were given. Especially when the actual temperature was in the -10 to -45 degree F range. Going number 1 and number 2 out of doors in those conditions took planning if you wanted to prevent frostbite to the real personal parts of your anatomy. To me, it doesn’t matter what you use as long as you take the necessary precautions to prevent cold injuries.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Sara
December 30, 2017 10:21 pm

This “Real feel” is a subterfuge to actually do the opposite.when the thermometer says thirty below they want to deligitimize it and have people think that its really not that cold, it just feels that way.

Reply to  DC Cowboy
December 30, 2017 4:05 pm

Apparently, a select group does not acknowledge the truth of falsifying.

Reply to  DC Cowboy
January 1, 2018 7:20 am

So is any theory, like CO2/warming, that isn’t backed up by any hard evidence in the peer-reviewed literature.

Paul r
December 29, 2017 6:44 pm

Dont you get it yet? Climate change causes everything bad about the climate and we the left decide what is bad.

Paul r
Reply to  Paul r
December 29, 2017 6:46 pm

Ps im not left.

Louis Hooffstetter
Reply to  Paul r
December 29, 2017 8:44 pm

It’s simple: Everything bad is caused by Climate Change.
What don’t you understand?

Leo Smith
Reply to  Louis Hooffstetter
December 30, 2017 12:08 am

Climate change and social injustice. And the hard right. And fascism. And corporate greed. Only by voting for the Liberal Left can this be sorted out properly.

Reply to  Louis Hooffstetter
December 30, 2017 2:23 am

Leo

the ‘hard right’ is something like the UK Libertarian Party which promotes small government, low taxes, a peaceful society, and personal freedom.

Any other ‘manifestation’ of the right is either left, or fascist influenced violent oppression of the individual.

It was, after all, the American Democratic party that historically demanded slavery be accepted; and the UK labour party that currently demonstrate anti Semitic behaviour; the very things the American Republican party was established to oppose.

The supposed far right march with prominent swa*tika’s, an image of the left as Hi*ler was a socialist.

Reply to  Louis Hooffstetter
December 30, 2017 3:05 am

Leo, their is no liberal left anywhere. There is the authoritarian Left. Only the speed at which they take your freedoms varies. “Liberals” are currently trampling on the 1st Amendment in US colleges. Anti-Semitic “Liberals” voted with Muslim states to condemn the US over Jerusalem. “Liberals” dress in black and bash women with clubs and mace them.

RAH
Reply to  Louis Hooffstetter
December 30, 2017 3:28 am

Tony had this one up at his sight, Might make Leo have a thought. comment image

Alan Ranger
Reply to  Paul r
December 30, 2017 3:22 am

You forgot the all-important closer:
And it’s all your fault! *

* … if you have the wrong political leaning.

John Harrowsmith
Reply to  Paul r
December 30, 2017 8:26 am

The solution to global warming is simple, We toss all the believers in climate change into a volcano as a sacrifice to the climate gods. And the climate gods will stop us from hearing all the dire warnings about climate change! See Simple! 😉

eyesonu
December 29, 2017 6:56 pm

Global warming causes ‘it’ ! …. It is kinda like “is” is !

Earthling2
December 29, 2017 6:59 pm

I think we can now just called it what has now become under Komrade Gore et al, which is Klimate Fr@ud!

Esther Cook, Lady Life Grows
Reply to  Earthling2
December 29, 2017 7:19 pm

Oh no, that won’t do at all. That’s honest.

Extreme Hiatus
December 29, 2017 7:04 pm

I posted this on another post but since it seems to fit with other CAGW super-sciency theory I’ll add it here again.

Why, in the face of this unrelenting planetary fever is this winter very cold?

Because, just as it has before, the heat is hiding deep in the ocean again. That is its safe space.

Doug
December 29, 2017 7:22 pm

Someone told me today about how winters are supposed to be colder due to CO2…uhg CO2 is magic.

Sheri
Reply to  Doug
December 29, 2017 8:08 pm

It is amazing how people can totally twist reality in their heads and never even blink.

drednicolson
Reply to  Sheri
December 29, 2017 10:55 pm

Memory states plainly, “I did that thing.”
Pride responds indignantly, “I would never have done such a thing.”
Eventually, memory grows weary and falls silent,
but pride never tires and never stops talking.

Dave Fair
Reply to  drednicolson
December 30, 2017 8:23 am

Ted Kennedy and his supporters in a nutshell.

Hell, anybody that supports people like the Clintons falls into that category.

Gunga Din
December 29, 2017 7:29 pm

Obviously the way to stop more Global-Warming-Coldness is to burn more Green.
Ain’t gunna’ happen under Trump. (Glad I have a snowblower!)

John Harrowsmith
Reply to  Gunga Din
December 30, 2017 8:39 am

Did you say “Green” or “Green’s” If it’s Green’s…Well that will work. 😉

donald penman
December 29, 2017 7:31 pm

And all weather events are a danger to life these days certainly if they have been given a name. How did we ever manage to survive without the help of these weather forecasters. It seems like we are going to have a bit of a “Magic Roundabout” going on in the UK soon.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/uk-weather-latest-storm-dylan-bears-down-as-forecasters-warn-of-potential-for-injuries-and-danger-to-life/ar-BBHuA9x?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=wispr

Gunga Din
Reply to  donald penman
December 29, 2017 7:44 pm

Guess we should all get used to flurries named Fred.

Fred Brohn
Reply to  Gunga Din
December 30, 2017 7:26 am

I resemble that!

Reply to  Gunga Din
December 30, 2017 8:22 am

Fred Brohn on December 30, 2017 at 7:26 am
I resemble that!

In what way do you resemble a flurry?

Auto
Reply to  Gunga Din
December 31, 2017 3:57 am

Today in Surrey, we have Reasonably Normal Day Aline.
Tomorrow we expect Rather Wet (In Places) Day Bertram.
Sometime next week, statistically, we will have Reasonably Normal Day Carabao and, maybe, Dolores.

There really is no end of fun to be had helping the Met Office with their kiddies’ amusement; remember to start each month with ‘A’ again.

Auto – the spirit of Christmas may have worn off a bit!
[Not ‘spirits’ – I’m a red wine man!]

drednicolson
Reply to  donald penman
December 29, 2017 11:00 pm

Reginald the Partly Cloudy Day is on his way, run for ya loives!

Reply to  donald penman
December 30, 2017 1:13 pm

Or breezes named Barbara…

Leon Brozyna
December 29, 2017 7:41 pm

And when the glaciers start moving through Canada and begin their move across the border, it will still be called climate change and mankind will still get the blame.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Leon Brozyna
December 29, 2017 8:44 pm

Yeah. They’ll say Trump should have built the wall further north.

3¢worth
Reply to  Leon Brozyna
December 29, 2017 9:20 pm

Bite your tongue. I live in Canada and I don’t want a glacier in my backyard – thanks anyway. The forecast for New Year’s Eve in Toronto is -26°C (w/o the wind chill); normal is -8°C. The city has planned for abbreviated New Year’s celebrations at city hall because of the extreme cold. Bring back global warming!

Reply to  3¢worth
December 30, 2017 8:24 am

I thought all Canadians lived in igloos cut out of glaciers. Well live and learn.

ricksanchez769
Reply to  3¢worth
December 31, 2017 12:39 pm

But please don’t forget – we need that -26 to really be about -28 degrees – as per the recommendations of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) – then all will be good with the planet again in 100yrs

skorrent1
Reply to  Leon Brozyna
December 30, 2017 10:43 am

GoT fans will respect the utility of “The Wall”.. “Winter is coming!!”

Jones
December 29, 2017 7:45 pm

I think a definitive journalistic response is this one by Sean Thomas for the Daily Telegraph in 2013.

https://cbdakota.wordpress.com/2013/06/21/climate-scientists-know-big-scarry-words/

Excerpt: – “Here come de heap big warmy. Bigtime warmy warmy. Is big big hot. Plenty big warm burny hot. Hot! Hot hot! But now not hot. Not hot now. De hot come go, come go. Now Is Coldy Coldy. Is ice. Hot den cold. Frreeeezy ice til hot again. Den de rain. It faaaalllll”.

Jones
Reply to  Jones
December 29, 2017 7:48 pm

Ah, OK….I see Anthony has covered this before….. Hahahahahaha…. We really must just keep laughing at them.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/06/19/hump-day-hilarity-big-kahuna-warmy/

“For a final word, I turned to the greatest climate change scientist of all, Dr David Viner, one-time senior research scientist at the climatic research unit of the University of East Anglia, who predicted in 2000 that, within a few years, winter snowfall would become “a very rare and exciting event”.

However, he was trapped under a glacier in Stockport, so was unable to comment at the time the Telegraph went to press.”

Hahahahahahahahahah……Oh dear…phew.

Pop Piasa
December 29, 2017 7:58 pm

Our current weather was predicted quite well in advance by weatherbell and Joe Bastardi in the free updates.
The best predictors are still the analogous years, and models based on those combined observations.

Sheri
Reply to  Pop Piasa
December 29, 2017 8:13 pm

Our weather man will often show us two different models when forecasting. He’s great about saying “the models are all over the place so we just don’t know yet”.

For today, the models missed by a mile. Temperature dropped 20 degrees in two hours, not the predicted 10 hours or so. The low was dropped to even lower as it got colder and colder. Weather timing is a definite mystery to the models. They can get the cold, the wind, but the timing……

RAH
Reply to  Sheri
December 30, 2017 12:43 am

Sounds like your weather man isn’t a weather man.

Another Ian
Reply to  Sheri
December 30, 2017 1:47 am

RAF terminology in WW2 for a met man was “the guesser”

RAH
Reply to  Sheri
December 30, 2017 3:17 am

Another Ian
Based on my reading I am actually impressed by how accurately the allied meteorologists were able to forecast weather with the limited tools they had compared to now.
Just rereading the book ‘Combat Crew’. It is IMO the definitive work for getting through to the reader just what the crews of the B-17’s in the 8th Air Force in 1943 went through. The author, John Comer, was a flight engineer (combat position top turret) that kept a journal and does a great job of explaining all the challenges and events in all aspects. He was on both of the legendary Schweinfurt raids. The bottom line is that no matter if it was a Fortress or a Lancaster, or any of the various other types of heavy bombers, there were one heck of a lot of ways to die other than being shot down by fighters or flak.

Dave Fair
Reply to  RAH
December 30, 2017 8:58 am

Those were real men, RAH. Thank God.

And I’m an atheist.

MarkW
Reply to  Sheri
December 30, 2017 8:27 am

Allied weathermen forecast that there would be a brief break in stormy weather during June, 1944.
German weathermen didn’t. This was one of the reasons why Rommel was willing to leave the coast to attend his wife’s birthday party.

Carbon BIgfoot
Reply to  Pop Piasa
December 30, 2017 5:14 am

I believe Bastardi is a weatherman in the mold of Drexel University’s, Dr.Frank Davis of WPVI ABC 6 out of Philadelphia PA. His predicting accuracy was 92% and was unmatched during his tenure. Understand that his forecasts were before computers and models. Dr. Davis knew the five major weather systems that effected SE Pennsylvania and like Joe was a student of weather history.

Richard
December 29, 2017 7:58 pm

Just spent Christmas (Oops, the festive season, gag) in Winnipeg, where anthrogloarming ensured temperatures colder than both Mars and the North (oops again), Festive Pole. Good to know I have myself to blame.

yarpos
December 29, 2017 8:12 pm

And please, spare just one minute, to think of the Polar Bears. One minute the ice is melting, next its a zillion below, the horror, please send WWF $ to protect their environment as seen on TV adverts (whatever that means)

Jones
Reply to  yarpos
December 29, 2017 8:31 pm

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Poor Polar Bears.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Jones
December 29, 2017 8:46 pm

Poor us.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Jones
December 29, 2017 9:13 pm

Is that a real statistic, Jones, or fake news?

Jones
Reply to  Jones
December 29, 2017 9:27 pm

Hi Dave, dunno about when Al was born (may have been far higher population then of course with more primitive tracking methods of the day…dunno) but the current figure appears appropriate but seemingly with a wide variability in estimates.

https://polarbearscience.com/2014/02/18/graphing-polar-bear-population-estimates-over-time/

https://polarbearscience.com/2015/05/31/global-polar-bear-population-size-is-about-26000-20000-32000-despite-pbsg-waffling/

I’d be grateful if you have an authoritative source for data over 50 years ago? (rather than my random meme).

Dave Fair
Reply to  Jones
December 29, 2017 10:26 pm

From the graphs, it appears 1960 bear populations estimates ranged from a low of 5,000 to a high of 15,000. Compare that range to the approximately 30,000 bear numbers of today.

I don’t care when Al was born, but Polar Bears seem to be doing rather well under global warming.

AndyG55
Reply to  Jones
December 29, 2017 10:51 pm

Polar Bears live on land and hunt on the edge of the sea ice, for their favourite baby seal menu.

When the sea ice is abnormally extreme, like in the late 1970s, of course the polar bears have problems hunting..

So much further to go to get to the ice edge.

RAH
Reply to  Jones
December 30, 2017 12:46 am

Dave Fair

It’s been restrictions on hunting that have resulted in the numbers of polar bears increasing. Being over hunted by this planets top predator is far more dangerous to most species than “climate change” in the shorter terms.

Dave Fair
Reply to  RAH
December 30, 2017 8:38 am

Are you trying to say that there are greater threats than global warming, RAH?

I’m told that, under Obama, the generals said that global warming is the premier security threat to the U.S. That fat guy with the funny haircut having nukes and ICBMs doesn’t rate a mention?

Moderately Cross of East Anglia
Reply to  Jones
December 30, 2017 1:54 am

Thanks Mr(Ms?) Jones for providing me with a very funny cover for my next New Year greetings card.

Peyelut
December 29, 2017 8:19 pm

If the trend continues, Al Gore will be changing his name to Dick Bigger and peddling . . . well, I think you can figure out what he will be peddling.

SMC
Reply to  Peyelut
December 29, 2017 8:29 pm

Bovine Scat?

Dave Fair
Reply to  Peyelut
December 29, 2017 9:19 pm

Or, as in the Life of Brian, the Latin form is Dickus Bigus.

In that case, Peyelut, gravitas has taken over his neither regions.

Gore is a climate change icon because we are told it is so.

Jer0me
Reply to  Dave Fair
December 29, 2017 9:41 pm

I have a gweat fwiend in wome called Bigus Dickus!

Dave Fair
Reply to  Jer0me
December 29, 2017 10:30 pm

Transposition is a bitch, Jer0me. Mea Culpa.

andy in epsom
Reply to  Dave Fair
December 30, 2017 4:33 am

Welease Woger

Dave Fair
Reply to  andy in epsom
December 30, 2017 9:59 am

I am Brian!

Richmond
December 29, 2017 8:45 pm

It was so cold … restaurants had to stop serving metal cutlery. Some people walked around for days with spoons or forks stuck to their tongues!

It was so cold … hitchhikers were holding up pictures of thumbs!

It was so cold … chickens were running into Kentucky Fried Chicken and begging to use the pressure cooker!

It was so cold … when I dialed 911, a recorded message said to phone back in the spring!

It was so cold … the optician was giving away free ice scrapers with every new pair of eyeglasses!

It was so cold … kids were using a new excuse to stay up late: “But Mom, my pyjamas haven’t thawed out yet!”

It was so cold … the travel agency was advertising tropical vacations in Igloolik!

It was so cold in Times Square … pickpockets were sticking their hands in strangers’ pockets just to keep them warm!

It was so cold … the squirrels in the park were throwing themselves at an electric fence!

It was so cold … Grandpa’s teeth were chattering – in the glass!

It was so cold … the rats in Manhattan were bribing the alley cats for a snuggle.

It was so cold … we had to chop up the piano for firewood – but we only got two chords.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Richmond
December 29, 2017 8:51 pm

It was so cold … I forgot about “Global Warming”. 😎

Richmond
Reply to  Gunga Din
December 29, 2017 8:53 pm

That is a good one, thank you.

It was so cold … climate scientists had their hands in their OWN pockets!

Gunga Din
Reply to  Gunga Din
December 29, 2017 9:03 pm

I nod my head to the greater wit.

ossqss
Reply to  Gunga Din
December 29, 2017 9:38 pm

I remember a movie on such Richmond….. Hitchcock does it again!

http://www.filmsite.org/posters/tocatchathief.jpg

Gunga Din
Reply to  Gunga Din
December 29, 2017 10:03 pm

PS I think there are some who keep track of and save humorous comments.
I think this rates as a classic.

Richmond December 29, 2017 at 8:53 pm
That is a good one, thank you.

It was so cold … climate scientists had their hands in their OWN pockets!

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Gunga Din
December 29, 2017 10:57 pm

“Richmond December 29, 2017 at 8:53 pm

… climate scientists had their hands in their OWN pockets!”

Climate scientists with hands in pockets feel cocky all day.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Patrick MJD
December 30, 2017 8:28 am

Ouch! The wags are out in force.

icisil
Reply to  Gunga Din
December 30, 2017 7:03 am

“It was so cold … climate scientists had their hands in their OWN pockets”

Well that certainly is an interesting way of describing global negative-warming’s effect on the climate clique circle jerk.

drednicolson
Reply to  Richmond
December 29, 2017 11:24 pm

It was SO cold last night … I slept in the refrigerator. It was the warmest place in the house.

It was SO cold last night … all the naughty kids asked Santa for another lump of coal.

It was SO cold last night … all the politicians stopped talking. They wanted to keep all the hot air for themselves.

Reply to  drednicolson
December 30, 2017 8:33 am

It was so cold the kids had pee-sickles hanging from the bed.

pat
December 29, 2017 9:00 pm

the CAGW mob decide who can call weather climate and who cannot:

29 Dec: PBS Newshour: Fact-checking Trump’s tweet about cold weather and climate change
Michael Oppenheimer: It’s impossible to say what was in the president’s mind, but he probably was trying to confuse other people about the reality of climate change.
This cold snap is weather. Weather is what you experience day to day. Climate is the long-term average of weather over periods of years, decades, centuries or even longer.
Let me give you an analogy from the stock market. It’s perfectly possible for the stock market to be rising due to understood factors like favorable economic forecasts, and yet to decrease significantly for one day, several days, a month or even several months. That happens all the time, even though the long-term trend might be continuing thereafter.
It’s the same thing with climate change. The Earth’s temperature is going up. It’s been going up for about a century. That increase is due to the buildup of the greenhouse gases caused by — by and large, by the burning of coal oil and natural gas…
So there’s a long-term trend of warming. This cold snap says nothing really about that long-term trend. And that trend will continue until we make a radical reduction in the emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases…

John Yang (PBS): So, given that distinction, do scientists see a connection between climate change and episodes of extreme weather?

Michael Oppenheimer: Yes, some episodes of extreme weather can be tied directly to the buildup of the greenhouse gases caused by human activity.
For instance, the incidents of extreme heat has increased and episodes of heat waves are increasing faster these days than they would without the buildup of greenhouse gases. And that connection has been made clearly. Similarly, incidents of very high water at the coasts, which is related to flooding, for instance, when a storm comes along, has been tied in some cases to the buildup of the greenhouse gases through its effect on sea level rise.
So, overall, there are some episodes of extreme weather that are directly related to the human buildup of greenhouse gases…
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/fact-checking-trumps-tweet-about-cold-weather-and-climate-change

Dave Fair
Reply to  pat
December 29, 2017 9:23 pm

Defund PBS.

jclarke341
Reply to  pat
December 29, 2017 11:00 pm

“Michael Oppenheimer: It’s impossible to say what was in the president’s mind, but he probably was trying to confuse other people about the reality of climate change.”

I don’t know about Trump and what he knows about climate change, but Michael Oppenheimer was definitely trying to mislead people with his statement. For one, it has been generally warming for over 200 years, not 100 years. It is impossible for to blame CO2 even for the warming trend underway 100 years ago, but it is close enough that he can pretend that it might have done something. He must know better.

Secondly, the only way you can tie warm episodes to man-made climate change is by assumption. This is just confirmation bias: “If anything we expect to happen actually happens, then it confirms our reasoning for it to happen was correct.”. This logic is obviously false, but Mr. Oppenheimer has no trouble trying to use it to mislead people.

Finally, the best scientific evidence for sea level rise indicates that it is rising at the same rate as last century, with no discernable acceleration. Put simply, there is no evidence that increasing atmospheric CO2 is accelerating sea level rise. There is no evidence that CO2 is causing sea levels to rise faster, and Oppenheimer is, once again, assuming it is so and talking about it as a fact.

It is quite apparent that Oppenheimer is deliberately misleading people about climate change reality, by confusing his personal desire that humans be blamed with scientific knowledge.

waterside4
Reply to  jclarke341
December 30, 2017 1:10 am

Sympathy to you poor freezing souls in the North of the Americas, but just what or who is PBS and Mr Oppenheimer?
Apologies for my ignorance
Happy Hogmany to you all

Moderately Cross of East Anglia
Reply to  jclarke341
December 30, 2017 2:06 am

I think the Michael Oppenheimer in question is a volcanologist who certainly should, given he has written a good general survey about notable eruptions, be a bit more cautious than the wild attribution of human causation to something that is decidedly lacking in any definitive scientific evidence.

ClimateOtter
Reply to  jclarke341
December 30, 2017 4:13 am

Waterside~ PBS is the Public Broadcasting System, sort of the US version of the BEEB.

And Oppenheimer? He’s an insult to the one who helped build the Bomb. Hopefully not related.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  jclarke341
December 30, 2017 4:18 am

PBS = Public Blathering System.

Reply to  pat
December 30, 2017 12:36 am

“This cold snap is weather. Weather is what you experience day to day. Climate is the long-term average of weather over periods of years, decades, centuries or even longer.”

Is 17 years long enough to be climate? When I check NOAA’s Climate at a Glance page (https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us) for year to date min and max from 2000 to 2016 across the contiguous United States, it averages as:

Min
2000-2007 : 41.58F
2008-2016 : 41.49F

Max
2000-2007 : 65.43F
2008-2016 : 65.26F

So in the 17 years to 2016, the first half was 0.09F warmer in min and 0.17F warmer in max.

i.e. the first half mean temp was 53.51F and the second half mean temp was 53.37F, so the mean temp in the US has cooled 0.14F over the 17 years to 2016.

In fact, if I stretch back 20 years to 1997, the first 10 years were 0.1F warmer than the second 10 years in min, and 0.03F warmer than the second 10 years in max. i.e. 0.06F cooler mean temp over the past decade than 1997-2006 when the US was at its hottest.

Let me give you an analogy from the stock market. It’s perfectly possible for the stock market to be falling due to understood factors like unfavorable economic forecasts, and yet to increase significantly for one day, several days, a month or even several months. That happens all the time, even though the long-term trend might be continuing thereafter.

The current cold snap sounds like the sort of weather you might expect in a cooling US climate over the past 20 years. What is it about the NOAA figures that I’m not understanding?

Reply to  waclimate
December 30, 2017 1:10 am

“What is it about the NOAA figures that I’m not understanding?”
I don’t see where you gat it from. The trends 2000-2016 are quite positive. +0.26F/decade for max, and +0.41F/dec for min.
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Dave Fair
Reply to  Nick Stokes
December 30, 2017 8:43 am

Yuck, yuck, yuck, Nick. Start on a La Nina and end on a Super El Nino.

I have a great internet stock to sell you.

Reply to  waclimate
December 30, 2017 1:17 am

That’s a theoretical trend Nick. Apply the real error bars and it’s a nonsense.

Reply to  waclimate
December 30, 2017 1:54 am

I get it from annuals via the link and do the averages myself rather than using NOAA charts.

eg for min and max …

1997 40.68 63.72
1998 42.82 65.63
1999 41.55 66.20
2000 41.21 65.31
2001 41.74 65.64
2002 41.22 65.19
2003 41.40 65.11
2004 41.57 64.61
2005 41.78 65.49
2006 42.08 66.41
2007 41.67 65.64
2008 40.13 64.45
2009 40.60 64.17
2010 41.31 64.66
2011 41.20 65.16
2012 42.88 67.69
2013 40.70 64.15
2014 40.73 64.34
2015 42.71 66.07
2016 43.13 66.69

AndyG55
Reply to  waclimate
December 30, 2017 2:08 am

LOL, There’s Nick, yet again relying on the El Nino effects of 2015/2016

Why no dates, Nick?

What year is that big spike, 2012 ?

You is a funny little fella, nick !!

Reply to  waclimate
December 30, 2017 5:51 am

30 years ago, when I took a course in Weather and Climate, “Climate” was defined as a 30-year average of atmospheric conditions. According to the prof, thirty years was long enough to define the prevailing conditions, as well as including some unusual events (blizzards, droughts, hurricanes,…)

James Schrumpf
Reply to  waclimate
December 30, 2017 8:01 am

Nick Stokes: If one puts the +/- 0.5 F error bars on that TMAX graph and does a little warming of the past and cooling of the present — all within the boundaries — one can get a negative trend per decade, and be just as statistically significant.

If only you guys would stop using statistics as a hammer and chisel to shape the data into what you want it to be, and instead, use it for its intended purpose of showing the usefulness and significance of what you’ve measured and how you measured it, Using interpolation to create temperatures in areas where no measurements exist, and then using those interpolations as DATA in the equal-area grids — just because you HAVE to have them to get the average global anomaly — should be waving a big red flag in the air signaling THIS IS WRONG.

Reply to  waclimate
December 30, 2017 11:58 am

“There’s Nick, yet again relying on the El Nino effects of 2015/2016”
waclimate chose the years, not me. I’m just checking the arithmetic.

waclimate,
“rather than using NOAA charts”
Your method is subject to the chance of years. 2008 was cold, and you included it in the later part (9 years vs 8). If you comapred 2000-2008 vs 2009-2016 you’d get the opposite. A 0.24 increase in average minimum and 0.05 increase in maximum. It’s just the vagaries of chort intervals.

Reply to  waclimate
December 30, 2017 10:00 pm

Nick … I knew there was an uneven division of years from the millennial start year of 2000, which is why I went back to 1997 for a 20 year “climate” evenly divisible for 10 year comparisons.

As per my earlier quoted NOAA stats …

1997 40.68 63.72
1998 42.82 65.63
1999 41.55 66.20
2000 41.21 65.31
2001 41.74 65.64
2002 41.22 65.19
2003 41.40 65.11
2004 41.57 64.61
2005 41.78 65.49
2006 42.08 66.41

Is 10 years : Min average = 41.61F / Max average = 65.33F

2007 41.67 65.64
2008 40.13 64.45
2009 40.60 64.17
2010 41.31 64.66
2011 41.20 65.16
2012 42.88 67.69
2013 40.70 64.15
2014 40.73 64.34
2015 42.71 66.07
2016 43.13 66.69

Is 10 years : Min average = 41.51F / Max average = 65.30F

i.e. min 0.1F cooler and max 0.03F cooler across the contiguous United States over the past decade than in 1997-2006.

The warmer first decade includes 1997 which was before the 1998 ENSO shift, as apparent above with that year’s considerably cooler min and max. When 2017 data is published by NOAA, it’ll be interesting doing a 1998/07-2008/17 comparison without that opening cool year.

You don’t seem to be arguing the accuracy of the annual temps I’ve averaged from the NOAA source.

I’m not sure why there’s not a headline declaring the US cooler over the past decade than the previous decade, based upon the national annual temperature averages published by NOAA.

wayne Job
Reply to  waclimate
December 31, 2017 1:55 am

I do not know this Nick Stokes person, but he sure thinks he is an expert on global warming. My education taught me that X is the unknown quantity and a spurt is a drip under pressure. Enjoy being an Xspurt Nick for the cycle of cold that comes around every few hundred years is due, even the sun is doing its usual sabbatical.

James Schrumpf
Reply to  pat
December 30, 2017 5:07 am

Michael Oppenheimer: It’s impossible to say what was in the president’s mind, but he probably was trying to confuse other people about the reality of climate change.

“Impossible” my big white butt. He was trolling the heck of you all, and you Just. Couldn’t. Resist. Responding.

HOW many times have people said ironically, in the midst of a cold snap, “So much for global warming, eh?”

Millions of times, at least. But yet, they just couldn’t let it go. Must be tough to be so thin-skinned.

Dave Fair
Reply to  James Schrumpf
December 30, 2017 10:07 am

Why is it, James, that liberals take personal offense at statements of fact?

ossqss
December 29, 2017 9:31 pm

I have had it with this Global Warming Sting. I need to move from Sarasota to Cuba, or Equador, to escape the chilling results from such. I was to be sweating, not shivering, by all accounts! PFFFFT!

In the immortal words of the MIA Bob Tisdale,,,,,, Burrrrrrrr!

Where is my warm blob now Bob?

Nough said…… dangit….

Dave Fair
Reply to  ossqss
December 29, 2017 10:28 pm

I miss Bob, ossqss.

Bill Illis
Reply to  ossqss
December 30, 2017 1:51 am

Bob last posted on his website in September noting he was still on holiday.

I’m assuming somewhere warm compared to the majority of North America in the deep freeze.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Bill Illis
December 30, 2017 8:51 am

Calling Mr. Tisdale! Calling Mr. Tisdale!

[Please]

Phillip Bratby
December 29, 2017 10:34 pm

CO2, the miracle molecule. Just an increase of 1ppm can result in all types of climate catastrophes.

ren
December 29, 2017 11:50 pm

Snow and frost came to Washington.
http://images.tinypic.pl/i/00953/jh8dh8fbj77n.png

RAH
Reply to  ren
December 30, 2017 1:38 am

Yep, it’s about time that some people like Dr. Ball, Tony Heller, and Anthony all go testify before a senate committee. That is after some friendly senator opens all the windows and turns down the thermostat in the chamber the night before the hearing is scheduled.

ClimateOtter
Reply to  RAH
December 30, 2017 4:14 am

Preferably in January.

Scarface
December 29, 2017 11:59 pm

Time to redefine the meaning of AGW: Annoying Global Weather

ren
Reply to  Scarface
December 30, 2017 1:17 am

Sorry. The forecast leaves no illusions. La Nińa will help, because there will be less water vapor over North America.
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/strat_a_f/gif_files/gfs_z100_nh_f240.png

RAH
Reply to  ren
December 30, 2017 1:40 am

Ren
MORE water vapor would be helpful as far as helping to keep temps warmer. But of course it would also mean more snow.

Hans-Georg
Reply to  ren
December 31, 2017 8:05 am

Ren, but you can not blame the polar vortex this year as in 2014. He still sits loyally and well above the North Pole (or not far from it). The fact that it can be just as cold or even colder without such an event shows already the whole crap of the GAGW.

taxed
December 30, 2017 1:17 am

lt looks like this cold weather in N America is linked to jet stream activity over the mid Pacific. Because it seems that when the jet stream flows across from the SH over to the NH over this area it has a very disruptive effect on the jet stream which flows across the northern Pacific. lt looks like it forces the main jet stream to become much weaker which causes the jet stream to split or bend northwards. This weakening of the jet then allows blocks of high pressure to form along the western coast of the USA. Which in turn helps to form the cold “Arctic blast” weather that N America is now getting. lts given me very real insight into to how La Nina can be linked to cold winters in N America and how this jet stream patterning could be climate changing should it become persistent.

December 30, 2017 1:28 am

Comrades, what we are discussing here is not just a climate change or the catastrophic climate change it is
the CLIMATE PERESTROIKA

Reply to  vukcevic
December 30, 2017 8:59 am

We need Climate Glasnost.

Toneb
Reply to  F. Leghorn
December 30, 2017 12:33 pm

“In a MODEL!”

No, I have only posted graphical representations of current NH temperatures.

Toneb
December 30, 2017 1:40 am

I think the headline to this article needs changing from ….

“Friday Funny – the certainty of global warming and warmer, er colder, winters”
To….

“Friday Funny – the certainty of global warming and warmer, er colder, regional winters in central/eastern USA and Canada”

Those of you who have seen my recent posts on this bout of weather will know why
But for those that have not……

http://pamola.um.maine.edu/wx_frames/gfs/ds/gfs_nh-sat1_t2anom_1-day.png

AndyG55
Reply to  Toneb
December 30, 2017 1:52 am

Wow , isn’t it great to see part of the Arctic and NE Russia at -35ºC instead of -45ºC ! 🙂

Off you trot to this nice warm places for your tropical holiday , Tone. 🙂

RAH
Reply to  AndyG55
December 30, 2017 2:03 am

Toneb seems to be a one trick pony.

ClimateOtter
Reply to  AndyG55
December 30, 2017 4:16 am

Toneb is apparently Tonedeaf.

Bob boder
Reply to  AndyG55
December 30, 2017 5:41 am

CO

Copy right infringement I gave him that name 2 years ago!!!!

Toneb
Reply to  AndyG55
December 30, 2017 5:43 am

Very witty RAH.
But if you say so.
Funny int it that -45 becoming -33C isn’t warmer.
But 23 to 35C is.

MarkW
Reply to  AndyG55
December 30, 2017 8:35 am

Funny, a heat wave, anywhere in the world is proof of global warming. But cold spells are always just weather.

Pat Frank
Reply to  AndyG55
December 30, 2017 11:01 am

Toneb, what makes you think it’s all our fault?

RAH
Reply to  AndyG55
December 30, 2017 11:18 am

“Toneb December 30, 2017 at 5:43 am
Very witty RAH.
But if you say so.
Funny int it that -45 becoming -33C isn’t warmer.
But 23 to 35C is.

In a MODEL!

3x2
Reply to  Toneb
December 30, 2017 2:35 am

Is there anything miracle gas can’t do?

(Apart from making individuals incredibly rich at taxpayer expense)

Justanelectrician
Reply to  Toneb
December 30, 2017 6:24 am

According to Climate Reanalyzer, “This climate baseline (1979-2000) is used instead of the 1981-2010 climate normal because it spans a period prior to significant warming of the Arctic beyond historically-observed values.“ But they don’t mind including the coldest years since the LIA in their base.

James Schrumpf
Reply to  Toneb
December 30, 2017 8:13 am

Well, if you stick the +/- 0.5 C error bars on those anomalies, they don’t look so bad. Hardly seems proper to call it “global” warming when it’s basically just the northern hemisphere doing most of it.

And a 1-day average, forsooth. Why not a 1-minute average, it’d be as meaningful.

Toneb
Reply to  James Schrumpf
December 30, 2017 12:48 pm

“Well, if you stick the +/- 0.5 C error bars on those anomalies, they don’t look so bad. Hardly seems proper to call it “global” warming when it’s basically just the northern hemisphere doing most of it.”

Have you not noticed that the NH is stuck to the SH?
And that most of the SH is ocean, which is a massive heat sink, limiting decadal change to oceanic current phenomenon such as the ENSO cycle.
The NH can have vastly larger temp changes on short time-scales due it’s large land-masses, which can both quickly transfer heat to the atmosphere and cool it when (as now) snow covered.

James Schrumpf
Reply to  James Schrumpf
December 30, 2017 5:26 pm

Toneb December 30, 2017 at 12:48 pm
Have you not noticed that the NH is stuck to the SH?
And that most of the SH is ocean, which is a massive heat sink, limiting decadal change to oceanic current phenomenon such as the ENSO cycle.
The NH can have vastly larger temp changes on short time-scales due it’s large land-masses, which can both quickly transfer heat to the atmosphere and cool it when (as now) snow covered.

I thought it was the atmosphere trapping the heat and sending it back down onto the land, causing the warming, not the land warming the atmosphere.

The centers of Australia, southern Africa and southern South America are sufficiently far from maritime influence as to be free from their effects. Never heard anyone speak of the sea breezes cooling Alice Springs. The are plenty of places in the NH that are subject to maritime influences that still show warming. Are you really arguing that only the SH is susceptible to ocean cooling, and all the similar sites in the NH are not?

December 30, 2017 3:10 am

My favorite piece of abject ignorance comes from the Tweeter who claimed that global warming means extreme weather, and this cold snap is extreme weather, therefore it is caused by global warming.

December 30, 2017 3:31 am

Trump was only paying back those who claim hot summer days are an indication of global warming.
So NOW we hear the global warmists making a distinction they never made before, about weather and climate. It is also true that few, if any, serious researchers deny that the Earth is warming and has been for a very long time. The issue is 1) how much? and 2) why? Even the simple “how much?” is an unsettled question. The “Why?” is very much unknown except that the contribution of CO2 has been exaggerated considerably, perhaps excessively, primarily because it is the most obvious suspect to blame and climate is very much a mystery. And many climatologists don’t want to admit that their science is so primitive that its predictions practically cover every possible eventuality, thus can predict nothing. Any arguments that do not acknowledge these realities are irrelevant.

RAH
Reply to  arthur4563
December 30, 2017 3:41 am

Arthur4563
They’ve always made a clear distinction between weather and climate.
Here is an example from Tony Heller: comment image

ren
Reply to  RAH
December 30, 2017 4:32 am

Is it the weather?
Devils Lake, North Dakota

Current Conditions – F | C As of 6:09 AM on Saturday 30 Dec 2017 (Local Time)
View 1 Active Weather Alert
P Cloudy Partly Cloudy
-27F
Feels Like: -46
Wind Chill: -46 Ceiling: NA
Heat Index: -27 Visibility: 10mi
Dew Point: -33 Wind: 7mph
Humidity: 71% Direction: 300WNW
Pressure: 30.83″ Gusts: NA

taxed
Reply to  RAH
December 30, 2017 5:01 am

ren
At the moment over the Arctic there is a jet stream flow starting in northern Russia and moving over the Arctic and into N America. When you get this flow of the jet stream over the Arctic then l have noticed itcauses intense cold to form over the landmass it flows into.

Ricdre
Reply to  RAH
December 30, 2017 9:44 am

Right now there is about a foot of cold, white weather on my roof with more accumulating by the moment.

December 30, 2017 4:14 am

US and UK weather has been sabotaged by Russian hackers with all warm air moved clandestinely to over-there.
Record warm weather for this time of year was recorded in Moscow, said Evgenij Tiskovec expert of the meteorological centre Fobos.
“It is a result of a subtropical warm wave coming from the Black Sea region, temperature rose to +3.7 degrees Celsius in the mid Russian plains beating the 42-year-old record ” said Tiskovec.
Not totally unexpected, presidential elections are due there in the new year, what’s up with the west’s hackers, are the ‘snowflakes’ asleep? s/c

taxed
Reply to  vukcevic
December 30, 2017 5:05 am

Yes there is a sharp kink in the jet stream that’s allowing warmth to be pushed up north.

Reply to  taxed
December 30, 2017 5:31 am

and they are ok for the next week at least
https://www.netweather.tv/charts-and-data/jetstream

Reply to  vukcevic
December 30, 2017 9:09 am

Have you been interfering in the American elec… er.. winter weather ?
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/1/2017/12/30/12/wire-1987096-1514636250-815_634x422.jpg
s/c

ScienceABC123
December 30, 2017 4:28 am

The following is the list of things NOT blamed on climate change:

hunter
Reply to  ScienceABC123
December 30, 2017 9:39 am

+10

PoopyPants
Reply to  ScienceABC123
December 30, 2017 10:18 am

LoL. The Official Dump has happened. Just not where you expected…

ren
December 30, 2017 5:26 am
Dave Fair
Reply to  ren
December 30, 2017 10:09 am

Activist scientists aren’t.

taxed
December 30, 2017 5:47 am

lt looks like it could be the UK’s turn for cold and snow as we move into the next weekend. As a area of low pressure looks like tracking along the Channel and drawing down cold air from the north and east.

fizzissist
December 30, 2017 7:15 am

I remember seeing that snow in the sierra was to become a thing of the past according to the experts….
…. Meaning the ski resort owners in the sierra must be really, really ignorant, or they’re not so dumb after all…

“One of the biggest jumps in spending is taking place at the snow-covered peaks around Lake Tahoe, where resorts are in the midst of a spending splurge of more than $100 million over the next five years.”
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/nov/22/business/la-fi-tahoe-upgrade-20121122

RAH
Reply to  fizzissist
December 30, 2017 9:50 am
littlepeaks
December 30, 2017 9:48 am

Somehow, I suspect that the weak La Nina pattern is somehow contributing to the current weather in the U.S. Here in Colorado Springs, we’re right on the edge of the cold — it moves in and out from the northeast. Yesterday, it was 68 degrees, but Sunday night it is forecast to go down to 4.comment image?w=1000&h=780

December 30, 2017 12:45 pm

Danish Met office keeps a chart of the average temp North of 80.
Over the past five weeks, it has been well above the mean curve. Could be some El Nino hanging around?
What will it be like when North of 80 gets to the mean?
Bob

yarpos
December 31, 2017 1:17 am

Wondering how a campaign of sending anniversary cards to these prophets of doom would go. “Congratulations Mr Alarmist! its now x decades since you said that NYC would be under water, just thought you should know”
Would help keep their lies and stupidity to the forefront , and maybe provide some funding for an enterprising sceptic

ren
December 31, 2017 6:58 am

Forecast of the polar vortex in the lower stratosphere on January 4, 2018.
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/strat_a_f/gif_files/gfs_z100_nh_f120.png

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