Claim: Climate Driven Human Extinction “in the coming decades or sooner”

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Toronto Now reporter Zach Ruiter has called the imminent extinction of mankind based on all the different climate scare stories he has read.

Are we headed for near-term human extinction?

Recent studies suggest it is irresponsible to rule out the possibility after last week’s “warning to humanity” from more than 15,000 climate change scientists

BY ZACH RUITER NOVEMBER 22, 2017 3:34 PM

“warning to humanity” raising the spectre “of potentially catastrophic climate change… from burning fossil fuels, deforestation and agricultural production – particularly from farming ruminants for meat consumption,” was published in the journal BioScience last week.

More than 15,000 scientists from 184 countries endorsed the caution, which comes on the 25th anniversary of a letter released by the Union of Concerned Scientists in 1992, advising that “a great change in our stewardship of the earth and the life on it is required, if vast human misery is to be avoided.”

[Several speculative climate scare stories – methane, ocean acidification, ice free arctic, decline of sulphate aerosols from coal]

The take-away

Out of control climate change means feedback mechanisms may accelerate beyond any capacity of human control. The occurrences discussed in this article are five of some 60 known weather-related phenomenon, which can lead to what climate scientist James Hansen has termed the “Venus Syndrome,” where oceans would boil and the surface temperature of earth could reach 462 degrees Celsius. Along the way humans could expect to die in resource wars, starvation due to food systems collapse or lethal heat exposure.

Given all that remains unknown and what is at stake with climate change, is it irresponsible to rule out the possibility of human extinction in the coming decades or sooner?

Read more: https://nowtoronto.com/news/are-we-headed-for-near-term-human-extinction/

The simplest argument against Hansen’s boiling oceans fallacy is the Earth’s geological history and a bit of common sense.

Past CO2 levels were much higher than CO2 levels in today’s carbon dioxide starved world. The Cretaceous, the final age of the dinosaurs, averaged 1700ppm CO2 – over 4x today’s CO2 levels. If CO2 was capable of driving the oceans to boiling point, this catastrophe would have already occurred long ago.

Humans would survive any lesser global warming disaster. Imagine for a moment we’re all wrong, that regional Northern temperatures soar by 27F (15C) in the next century. Britain, Northern Europe and the Northern states of the USA would still be colder than the current temperature of my subtropical hometown. Some already hot places might become inhospitable, but vast regions of the world – Northern Canada, Siberia, Greenland, Antarctica – would actually become a lot more benign for habitation by tropical species like human beings.

Whatever climate change the next century brings, and the evidence to date is “not a lot”, climate change will not cause the imminent extinction of humanity.

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Latitude
November 23, 2017 5:12 pm

of all the global warming religions….”feedback mechanisms may accelerate”….that’s the stupidest

tony mcleod
Reply to  Latitude
November 23, 2017 8:29 pm

Say a little prayer
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Reply to  tony mcleod
November 23, 2017 9:01 pm

I can make one of those.
How were the values derived?

tony mcleod
Reply to  tony mcleod
November 23, 2017 9:04 pm
Reply to  tony mcleod
November 23, 2017 9:05 pm

OMG, tony. Are you really that ignorant?
Seriously.

“falling away of aerosol masking effect” LOL, ROTFLMAO.

The only thing close to correct in that bar chart is the 0.3+ 0.5 rises.
The 1.62 at the top in entirely the natural rebound from the LIA.
2.5 aerosol is completely made up to hide the fact the GCMs are complete failures.
Arctic albedo adding 1.6 is another “pull it out of the ass” number. If anything loss of sea ice (a thermal blanket on the warm ocean) rpaidly accelerates Ocean heat loss and potentiates a global cooling cycle.
Water vapor feedback is the biggest lie, because water vapor is condensible, and thus transports heat to the tropopause from the surface.

You really got suckered into a lie on this one Tony.

Reply to  tony mcleod
November 23, 2017 9:41 pm

Tony,

Oh my, you fell for a really stupid article,there is absolutely nothing indicating of such a calamity with is supposed to be just over….. he he he….. Eight years away.

Water Vapor is a NEGATIVE feedback.
Arctic Summer sea ice is no longer declining,albedo is not significant in the central polar region anyway.
Additional CO2 has a tiny increase in warm forcing effect.
Methane is a hyper trace gas with a tiny IR absorption window. There are already large pools of CO2 on the sea floor.

Only leftists believe this delusion

Reply to  tony mcleod
November 23, 2017 9:44 pm

Where are the fairy dust and unicorn farts? They are just as valid, put em in!

tony mcleod
Reply to  tony mcleod
November 23, 2017 9:52 pm

There are cited studies supporting the numbers. If you care to link to some cited evidence that refutes those numbers… that doesn’t included opinionated arm-waving….we could discuss them.

And as I like to remind the Parrot, shouting doesn’t make your arm-waving any more persausive.

tony mcleod
Reply to  tony mcleod
November 23, 2017 10:14 pm

I don’t actually believe we’ll be extinct by 2026, the last breeding pair might last a few years after that.

afonzarelli
Reply to  tony mcleod
November 23, 2017 10:41 pm

ANDY! Where’s crackpipe?! This guy’s too easy (like shootin’ fish in a barrel)…

Reply to  tony mcleod
November 23, 2017 10:56 pm

Tony writes,

“There are cited studies supporting the numbers. If you care to link to some cited evidence that refutes those numbers… that doesn’t included opinionated arm-waving….we could discuss them.”

It is too absurd to take it seriously,that is why people are laughing at you, that article and your link.

Michael 2
Reply to  tony mcleod
November 23, 2017 11:03 pm

“Say a little prayer”

I do that fairly regularly but I usually get counsel from my priest.

Phoenix44
Reply to  tony mcleod
November 24, 2017 1:18 am

Yeah, but science is a bit more complicated than making up numbers. It requires evidence and proof. I made up a little chart today too, assuming nothing much changes. The result is nothing much changes.

Mines not science either.

paqyfelyc
Reply to  tony mcleod
November 24, 2017 5:54 am

I though there was an implicit /sarc in this “potential global temperature rise by 2026”, but it seems some take it seriously.
Then it deserves a /facepalm
Now, those we believe this crap, just ACT accordingly, instead of talking.
* go and see some professional market analyst with a simple question: “where should i put my money in, to benefit immensely from +5C by 2026, and even more if it turns to be +10C ?”. Some speculation tools give you 2x and more return per year if you are right (of course you lose everything if you are wrong , but this cannot happen, can it?), tens years of 2x is 1000x.
* Ask Al gore to lend you some money, as much money as he himself believes in CAGW
* in less 10 years, enjoy your being in position to immensely influence future climate action, first because being a billionaire gives you huge resources to do that, and second because having turned rich thanks to your belief gives you huge credibility.
Or just ruin yourself, and blame lack of climate change.
Or just do nothing except posting, tweeting, talking, protesting, proselyting etc. , and you are less worthy than the Flat-Earther who is building his rocket to prove round-Earther are wrong.

AleaJactaEst
Reply to  tony mcleod
November 24, 2017 10:54 am

Tony

A bet. My house, that in eight years the average global temperature of the Earth, as reported on 31st Dec 2026 (I’ll be 59 and 9 years from now I quite expect this website and all us fans still to be here) will not be 10 degrees warmer than the average global temperature of the Earth, as reported on 31st December 2017.

If it isn’t, I get your house.

AleaJactaEst

John Shepherd
Reply to  tony mcleod
November 24, 2017 12:24 pm

Look sport, as already noted, CO2 levels have been 4x and more what they are today and yet the oceans didn’t boil away and life didn’t end. Do you think all this man made CO2 is extra powerful stuff compared to the natural stuff?

Second, the little stack chart is nonsense because you just can’t add up interelated factors. There is a lot of “ors” in there. Furthermore, your chart is mostly made up of modeled results from models that have been shown to be wildly inaccurate.

If the end of the world is truly going to arrive in 2026 that train has already left the station. There is nothing that can be done. So the best thing for you to do is party like it’s 1999. If you tell me “act now before it’s to late” you are admitting you don’t believe it yourself.

Auto
Reply to  tony mcleod
November 24, 2017 1:29 pm

I am astonished.

If it – really, troooooly – is as bad as it is purported to be, surely we don’t have even years.
More like weeks, and not many of them, if we believe Ruiter and his trolls.
Don’t bother doing any Xmas shopping – we’ll all be extinct seems to be the urgent ‘message’.
[Mods – for avoidance of any doubt whatsoever – the foregoing is /Snarc on Steroids!]

Auto.
Sorry – of course Ruiter needs to continue in employment.
I do really wonder if the ‘Toronto Now’ backers are pro-CAGW. [/Snarc again!]

Philip of Taos
Reply to  tony mcleod
November 24, 2017 3:46 pm

Garbage in garbage out. It’s the same Stupid, a different day. And you wonder why people giggle under there breath.

hikeforpics
Reply to  tony mcleod
November 24, 2017 8:44 pm

Oh cool. Thanks for the link further down. This will be great for my ever growing failed alarmist predictions folder of web links!

This is looking more and more like a theology. Here’s the rules, add them up, ignore any actual facts or trends and come up with your religious conclusion.

Love it!!

Reply to  tony mcleod
November 25, 2017 9:44 am

This doesn’t apply to 85% of us. Ehrlich said we would die from starvation by 2000. So we are already dead. Zombies?

tony mcleod
Reply to  Latitude
November 23, 2017 9:10 pm

So opinionated Joel. Got any facts? Cite any research papers that back your refutations?

Haven’t you heard of aerosol masking? Their effects would be gone in weeks if their emissions ceased.

Klem
Reply to  tony mcleod
November 24, 2017 3:21 am

Tony, your graph shows a 10.02 C potential rise of global tempruratures by 2026. The weasel word here is ‘potential’, which can include zero rise of course.

I don’t really have a problem with your graph. It’s high school level and doesn’t really predict anything at all.

joe black
Reply to  tony mcleod
November 24, 2017 3:42 am

so we are doomed if we keep burning coal,but also we are doomed if we stop burning coal?Aaahh

Bob boder
Reply to  tony mcleod
November 24, 2017 3:56 am

Tony Mcleod

Why would anyone discuss anything with you? You are a dishonest person, “facts” from you are meaningless. Heres your dishonesty on display for everyone.

Cut from WUWT on March 3rd, the bet. This bet was discussed and reaffirmed on multiple occasion after with no retraction ever made or implied at anytime. Tony lost and then welched.

“UAH Global Temperature Report: February 2017 warmest in 39 years

Bob boder

March 3, 2017 at 3:45 am

Tony

i’ll make a bet with you.
if the geographical North Pole is ice free this year I will never post here on WUWT again. If it isn’t you never post here again.

will you take the bet?

tony mcleod

March 3, 2017 at 3:56 am

Your on Bob.

Bob boder

March 3, 2017 at 8:38 am

Tony

It’s a bet.
Koodos to you for being willing to stand behind your prediction.”

AndyG55
Reply to  tony mcleod
November 24, 2017 4:05 am

Dishonest is everything he says or posts.

A LIAR, even to himself.

tony mcleod
Reply to  tony mcleod
November 24, 2017 3:50 pm

Since when did “potential” become a weasel word?

tony mcleod
Reply to  Latitude
November 23, 2017 10:18 pm

You should read my posts a little more carefully Eric. I rarely claim to be right and I’m happy to be proven wrong. I’m here to challenge belief, mine and yours.

Phoenix44
Reply to  tony mcleod
November 24, 2017 1:21 am

We don’t have beliefs, that’s why we are sceptics. True scientists are always sceptics. Nothing you link to is in any proven so it is simply blah. Stop having “beliefs” and only accept what can be shown to be correct (for the time being) after rigorous analysis, lots of evidence and reproducibility. Then you can have a real discussion.

ClimateOtter
Reply to  tony mcleod
November 24, 2017 1:33 am

‘Happy to be proven wrong’

Then you must be one of the happiest people on the planet.

Bob boder
Reply to  tony mcleod
November 24, 2017 3:58 am

Tony Mcleod

Dishonest people are always wrong

drednicolson
Reply to  tony mcleod
November 24, 2017 6:02 am

Then why does Ol’Tony waste everyone’s time indulging in argument from invincible ignorance? Demand evidence, change standard of evidence, disqualify presented evidence with new standard, repeat. Can be kept going as long as it’s mistakenly assumed that the arguer is intellectually honest. Seen it a hundred times.

tony mcleod
Reply to  Eric Worrall
November 23, 2017 10:29 pm

“the world is about to end” It’s Ok Eric the earth isn’t about to be demolished Vogon style.

Once you take up the click-bait habit its not that easy to shake is it?.

NorwegianSceptic
Reply to  Eric Worrall
November 24, 2017 12:16 am

Six pints of lager and a packet of peanuts, please! (And feel free to put a bag over Your head). 😉

tony mcleod
Reply to  Eric Worrall
November 24, 2017 12:10 pm

No, I’ll leave it to Middleton egg on the natives. You don’t need my help.

afonzarelli
Reply to  Eric Worrall
November 24, 2017 5:20 pm

Yeah, McLoudmouth, and David will do it by pointing out the obvious flaws in the junk science that you’re trying to push on “the natives”. (you might want to wait before copping your arrogant tone until you actually have something worthwhile to say)…

Andy Pattullo
Reply to  Latitude
November 24, 2017 8:13 am

So….. humans are the problem, humans all gone in another decade, problem solved. Why don’t we spend more time on issues that need solutions, or those that actually have some factual basis as an underpinning.

Sam Pyeatte
Reply to  Latitude
November 25, 2017 8:15 am

We are cursed to have a lot of “chicken Littles” living among us. The climate doomsday scenarios never end. The only sure thing is they will never come…until the Sun goes nova or we get hit by “Lucifer’s Hammer”.

Caligula Jones
Reply to  Latitude
November 27, 2017 11:25 am

I wished I had caught this crap earlier, just getting back online.

I’ve lived in Toronto for 30+ years. NOW is (as I’m sure everyone has discovered by, er. now) Loony Tune Central. Like most “alternative” news outlets, its begging for cash to pay for the few actual writers and editors it has. Ruiter isn’t one of them, of course, just a jumped-up activist:

http://www.genuinewitty.com/?s=Ruiter+

BallBounces
November 23, 2017 5:22 pm

I’m keeping an open mind… and a closed wallet.

BallBounces
November 23, 2017 5:23 pm

Well then, let’s “eat, drink, and be merry — for tomorrow we fry”.

Ian C
November 23, 2017 5:25 pm

We have current technology capable of dropping the temperature. Pumping the brakes, so to speak. Not that we are anywhere near that point of necessity at present.

Warming the planet if it starts to slip back into an ice age might be more difficult but probably not impossible.

Lee Osburn
Reply to  Ian C
November 23, 2017 6:12 pm

I am curious as to what technology could be used on such a large scale. If you want to drop the temperature I would use a fire extinguisher. But Ian, let us know what kind of “break system” could do such a thing.

barryjo
Reply to  Lee Osburn
November 23, 2017 6:17 pm

I would have no idea how the brake system would be accomplished ,but you can bet the farm it will cost a lot more than stopping global warming.

Lee Osburn
Reply to  Lee Osburn
November 23, 2017 7:25 pm

Jonathan
Thanks. They show the F15c as their choice but maybe 4 C-130s may do it.

Reply to  Lee Osburn
November 23, 2017 9:02 pm

Jonathan Peterson, no engineers were inconvenienced by this process. Geoclimateering is entirely a Luddite sociology enterprise.

Michael 2
Reply to  Ian C
November 23, 2017 11:06 pm

The science fiction dystopian future move “Snowpiercer” is based on the premise of aerosol injection which triggered global glaciation, a “snowball Earth”. It is also an acute commentary on an ordered and stratified society.

Dodgy Geezer
Reply to  Ian C
November 24, 2017 5:18 am

…We have current technology capable of dropping the temperature….

Indeed we have. Global Thermonuclear War ought to do it.

KiwiHeretic
November 23, 2017 5:25 pm

No end in sight to the stupidity!

TG
Reply to  KiwiHeretic
November 23, 2017 5:54 pm

15,000+ leftist scientists seeking further grants, not stupid but very very greedy!

pameladragon
Reply to  TG
November 23, 2017 6:33 pm

OMG, a brand new consensus! These people are not credible scientists IMO.

PMK

Rhoda R
Reply to  TG
November 23, 2017 6:35 pm

As they see the US money receding their cries of anguish get shriller and shriller. But it won’t stop them from jetting to the next climate conference in some exotic location.

Reply to  TG
November 23, 2017 9:11 pm

I had to stop a global warming scientist from squeegeeing my windshield the other day. He was wearing a sandwich board telling the world that his research project to sequester CO2 in car tires was discontinued.

paqyfelyc
Reply to  TG
November 24, 2017 6:05 am

Remember you know one of these scientist, and you KNOW he isn’t seeking grants.
His name is Kenji Watts
https://wattsupwiththat.com/?s=union+of+concerned+scientists+kenji

Reply to  KiwiHeretic
November 23, 2017 6:14 pm

More like mentally ill level of stupidity.

The man has shown ZERO critical thinking skills,as everything he wrote is illogical. He doesn’t realize what a total fool he made of himself, in front of the world.

He might have been born in the …………………….. Twilight Zone……..

Barbara
Reply to  Sunsettommy
November 23, 2017 7:33 pm

The Ontario provincial election is coming up in June 2018. For the present government to be re-elected they need all the support they can muster from articles such as this.

Global warming has already been well sold in Ontario and in particular in the Greater Toronto urban area.

Walter Sobchak
Reply to  Sunsettommy
November 23, 2017 8:48 pm

I cannot understand why a Canadian would be worried about warming. Canada is a cold place with a short growing season. If RCP 8.5 came true what would Toronto’s climate be like Louisville? Nashville? Those are nice places.

johchi7
Reply to  Sunsettommy
November 24, 2017 8:43 am

Walter Sobchak

An exercise in critical thinking.

Many local environments depends upon their normal weather cycles in their economic sense. For example: a ski resort in Colorado depends upon the snow each year to bring tourists $$$ to them and the towns around them a few months of the year. Global Warming would make that snow far less and without it the economy of that area would collapse fast and create ghost towns in a few years. So unless the area can convert to another equivalent form of economic attraction fast, it will fail. This has happened repeatedly throughout history for many communities. A factory closes and the population dwindled to just a fraction of what it was. A major event would affect a larger area in the same way. This is how the Global Warming scare tactics got such a big support by governments. They saw their land mass of coastal property could be underwater if the Global Warming melts all the Global Ice. That property loss would be an economic nightmare to their states and the country. Mass migration to higher ground as the coastline moved inland would economically be devastating. The North American Waterway would be recreated between the Rocky Mountains and the Ozarks from the Gulf of Mexico to the Arctic Ocean wiping out the largest part of North America’s farming and ranching lands. By this ideology you can see how a government would react to such an ideology and adopt any crazy scheme to prevent it from happening. Facts don’t matter because the ideology has been indoctrinated into the population over generations.

Barbara
Reply to  Sunsettommy
November 24, 2017 4:37 pm

Ontario News Room, July 8, 2015, Toronto, Ontario

Re: The Climate Summit of the Americas, 2015, Toronto, Canada

“Leaders from, Ontario, Quebec, California Taking Steps to Build, Expand North America’s Largest Carbon Market”

Note: Keynote speakers at this event.

https://news.ontario.ca/ene/en/2015/07/ontario-kicks-off-climate-summit-of-the-americas.html

Barbara
Reply to  Sunsettommy
November 24, 2017 5:45 pm

Al Gore, July 9, 2015

Re: Al Gore’s, Climate Summit of the Americas 2015 Keynote Address, Toronto, Canada.

‘The Power of Regional, State & Local Governments’

At:
https://www.algore.com/news/former-vice-president-al-gore-delivers-the-keynote-address-at-the-climate-summit-of-the-americas

Barbara
Reply to  Sunsettommy
November 24, 2017 6:57 pm

CA.Gov, 7-8-2015, Toronto

Re: Climate Summit of the Americas 2015, Toronto, Canada

‘Governor Brown Issues Call To Arms On Climate Change, Appeals To Other States And Provinces To Join The Fight’

http://www.gov.ca.gov/news.php?id=19027

Editor
November 23, 2017 5:26 pm

The first of the “coming decades” starts in 2020 … and human extinction might be “sooner” …

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

w.

BallBounces
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
November 23, 2017 5:44 pm

I prefer to think of it as starting in 2021 — it gives us some breathing space.

AndyG55
Reply to  BallBounces
November 23, 2017 5:46 pm

February or March? … need to know !!!!

Bob boder
Reply to  BallBounces
November 24, 2017 3:58 am

March please my birthday is in Feb.

AndyG55
Reply to  BallBounces
November 24, 2017 4:07 am

wow.. I get an extra month before CATASTROPHE strikes

Thanks !! 🙂

tony mcleod
Reply to  Eric Worrall
November 23, 2017 6:18 pm

How prescient of mothcatcher over here from earlier today: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/11/23/playing-the-cognitive-game-the-climate-skeptics-guide-to-cognitive-biases/

Lets focus on Venus.

mothcatcher November 23, 2017 at 2:09 pm
How about another category?

I’ll call it the OVERSTATEMENT FALLACY. Forgive me if it has already been categorised by psychologists under another name.

I’ve noticed in the comments here and on many other sites, that defenders of the status quo respond to counter-arguments by seizing upon small exaggerations or asides made therein which can be challenged more easily than the main argument, which can then be conveniently sidestepped. In its most extreme form it becomes the ‘straw man’ argument. The holder of the cognitive bias therefore retires, justified, without having addressed the main thrust of the criticism.

It is therefore most important to state an argument concisely, without hyperbole or reference to extraneous issues, so as to give no excuse to one’s opponent. Of course, the truly biased individual will then either ignore you, or shout…

This is a general truth, as are many in our author’s list, and not really requiring a psychologist’s imprimature.

AndyG55
Reply to  Eric Worrall
November 23, 2017 6:38 pm

“that defenders of the status quo respond to counter-arguments by seizing upon small exaggerations or asides made therein which can be challenged more easily than the main argument, which can then be conveniently sidestepped. In its most extreme form it becomes the ‘straw man’ argument.”

Good self-analysis, McClod. !!

tony mcleod
Reply to  Eric Worrall
November 23, 2017 6:40 pm

SQUAWK

AndyG55
Reply to  Eric Worrall
November 24, 2017 12:33 am

“squawk” !

I see that McClod’s brain is still working 100% of it capacity.

Yogi Bear
Reply to  Eric Worrall
November 24, 2017 2:55 am

tony mcleod says “Lets focus on Venus.”

Good idea. The polar regions on Venus are hundreds of degrees colder than its mid latitudes because of the high levels of climate forcing creating strong polar vortexes that trap the cold in. Arctic warming on Earth is normal during a solar minimum as low solar increases poleward ocean heat transport and weakens the polar vortex.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-13246-x/figures/2

Bob boder
Reply to  Eric Worrall
November 24, 2017 4:00 am

Tony Mcleod

Truth is a meaningless concept to you.

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
November 23, 2017 6:28 pm

I’m terrified…not!

I’m more worried about what all these goons will put on us using the excuse of ‘saving the planet’ and possibly/probably causing many deaths by cold and starvation.

Rhoda R
Reply to  Annie
November 23, 2017 6:37 pm

A far more likely scenario than anything they claim CO2 would do.

tony mcleod
Reply to  Annie
November 23, 2017 6:42 pm

That’s a bit alarmist isn’t Annie?

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Annie
November 23, 2017 7:39 pm

The political threats associated with climate change far exceed the weather threats. Annie shows perspicacity to me, not alarmism.

tony mcleod
Reply to  Annie
November 23, 2017 9:16 pm

I know, I know, irony is so hard to get sometimes.

Mark
Reply to  Annie
November 24, 2017 8:11 am

The difference, Tony, is that we’ve seen the disastrous effects of runaway governmental control many times; so far the effects of CO2 have been beneficial.

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
November 23, 2017 7:13 pm

I think I’m feeling ill already.
Oh never mind, it was gas.
Happy Thanksgiving to everyone to whom it applies.

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
November 23, 2017 9:07 pm

I’m thinking of a Spring-trip break in Cabo in March 2020. Do I have time?

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
November 23, 2017 9:14 pm

Dang and I will be just sampling my 10th decade!

Tom Halla
November 23, 2017 5:28 pm

If the proxies used to estimate CO2 levels are anywhere near right, Hansen’s runaway feedback is approximating the definition of “impossible”.

taxed
November 23, 2017 5:29 pm

The only thing that risks near term extinction is the credibility of climate science if they carry on with this nonsense.

Steve
November 23, 2017 5:29 pm

Kudos Eric!! — Well written rebuttal to Mr. Ruiter’s hilariously deranged opinion piece. We in the aerospace engineering community have a saying “He failed the idiot test”. Meaning that only an idiot with absolutely no capability for critical thought would believe such idiocy.

November 23, 2017 5:30 pm

… advising that “a great change in our stewardship of the earth and the life on it is required, if vast human misery is to be avoided.”…
If I can’t have a steak once in a while, that will add to my human misery

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  Robert
November 23, 2017 7:08 pm

stewardship
noun
The job of supervising or taking care of something, such as an organization or property.

It might be a bit Freudian of him, but it sounds like he’s advocating for a new steward of the Earth. The UN perhaps?

Steve
November 23, 2017 5:30 pm

Moderator please change my name to Steve. Thanks

I Came I Saw I Left
November 23, 2017 5:30 pm

I read this today

…pumpkin shortages could become more common as the climate continues to change.

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  I Came I Saw I Left
November 23, 2017 5:33 pm

That would be a good thing.

afonzarelli
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
November 23, 2017 6:07 pm

(except that the children won’t know what pumpkins are)…

I Came I Saw I Left
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
November 23, 2017 6:23 pm

Climate scientists/activists/fiction writers remind me of Debbie Downer – climate change can never result in anything good. Debbie actually does climate science 4:03

November 23, 2017 5:31 pm

The more physics based argument against Hansen’s halloween horror is that no spectral phenomenon can explain Venus’s bottom of atmosphere energy density , 25 time that which the Sun delivers to its orbit ( much less at least twice that ratio compared to its radiative equilibrium ) . See http://climateconferences.heartland.org/robert-armstrong-iccc9-panel-18/ .

The only thing which can and does balance the equations is gravitational energy which computes as a negative and is left out of the equations .

GHGs are not why the bottoms of atmospheres are hotter than their tops . They contribute to the spectrum of the planet as seen from outside , and thus effect the radiative balance , but at even these few molecules per 10k of air level the effect of additional CO2 on our spectrum is de minimis .

paqyfelyc
Reply to  Bob Armstrong
November 24, 2017 6:21 am

+1. A perfectly perfect GHE, that intercepts just every parcel of energy from the ground, cannot do more than “backradiate” as much as received form the ground, i.e. a double the power. You need a heat pump to do better, but GHG are no heat pump, just some insulator. Gravity + gas law is the heat pump, it generates lapse rate and concentrate down the energy, pretty much as if “heat” was actually heavy.

Reply to  paqyfelyc
November 24, 2017 9:20 am

Interesting comment . Actually “heat” IS heavy . I recently watched “The Concept of Mass – with Jim Baggott” , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfHjzomqbZc , which concludes “mass” is the energy holding quarks together .

A comment on my http://cosy.com/Science/RadiativeBalanceGraphSummary.html page about the gravitation force between 2 masses going to 0 as distance between them increases prompted me to refresh my calc by watching some YTs on integral 1/(x^(2))dx showing very simply that total gravitational energy , -1/x , goes to 0 at infinity and to -infinity at 0 showing very simply that it computes as a negative . Observationally , it is balanced by the increased kinetic , thermal , ( and radiant — light blue shifts ) positive energy .

How the GHG paradigm has had such legs in the face of such basic quantitative physics will join phlogiston as one of those “how could they ever”s of the history of science .

John F. Hultquist
November 23, 2017 5:31 pm

Zach Ruiter should call 911 and report a deranged person while looking in a mirror so as to get the description right.

NorwegianSceptic
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
November 24, 2017 12:23 am

+ 911 !

Earthling2
November 23, 2017 5:35 pm

Well, prior to the Holocene just before when things started warming up when the last age was just 20,000 years ago, the planet was at its lowest recorded CO2 levels in hundreds of millions of years averaging 180 ppmv at its low. So yes, we sure did dodge a bullet the last 12,000 years, although 47 species of megafauna went extinct just in the last 10,000-20,000 years as well. And that was IMHO, mostly responsible for a vegetation drought and a food chain knock off. That is very significant that we are on the verge of CO2 starvation, and not even geological speaking. And then this crap about CO2 being the new cause of all climate driven weather and charging us a tax, well, it doesn’t take a genius to figure out what this is all about. Trump was close when he said it was all a Chinese hoax; if we have said a Soviet hoax from the 1960’s, he would have been very close to being right. Follow the politics first, and then the money.

HotScot
Reply to  Earthling2
November 24, 2017 2:04 am

Earthling2

And with 280ppm atmospheric CO2 at the beginning of the industrial revolution we were perilously close to mass extinction from falling CO2. IF man made atmospheric CO2 causes any significant warming, the future is unknown.

That is, anything much past the medieval warm period where humanity flourished and every meaningful cathedral in the UK was built, because crops were so abundant that people could enjoy gainful employment building them, rather than spending a lifetime grubbing around for morsels of food. This a matter of irrefutable, historical fact; not climate modelling fantasy or navel gazing speculation.

And whether it was a global phenomenon or not is entirely irrelevant. The fact is, in a particular identifiable region, at a given moment in time, humankind not only survived warmer temperatures, they benefited and flourished. Proof positive that warming to at least those temperatures is something to welcome.

But what about rising sea levels!!!!???? So the hysterical cry goes. SLR really only threatens the hugely profitable, urban environments, built on low lying coastal land and estuaries like London, New York and, of course, Miami. For enjoying the benefits of occupying these areas, eventually, the piper must be paid.

But it’s not like SLR will arrive in one devastating tsunami, it will, as with most earth processes, be gradual. Eventually the House of Parliament and the Empire State Building will be uninhabitable, by which time, the occupants will have moved to higher ground, perhaps several hundred thousand years from being threatened by SLR again. Settlements have always been temporary throughout man’s history. We are by nature a nomadic, tribal species, very well adapted to seeking out conditions conducive to our survival.

In the meantime, the vast area of Canada may prove warm enough to support growing periods associated with more southerly climes. We might lose some areas of equatorial agricultural land,but even that’s doubtful as increased atmospheric CO2 increases plants resistance to drought. And the tried and tested, ancient practise of irrigation will be available, especially if, as is predicted by the alarmists, there will be more precipitation and a moister climate.

Nor have I mentioned the Arctic Tundra, reaching down well into Russia which, if the perma frost melts, will release billions of acres of land to agriculture.

As I understand it, doubling of CO2 is a logarithmic phenomenon, so even if atmospheric CO2 is the main cause of planetary heating, it seems it can only get so warm before CO2 becomes entirely irrelevant. Meanwhile, plant life flourishes in CO2 rich environments three or four times what is present in our atmosphere right now.

The planet will change, and is far more adaptable than humans, who are themselves, very adaptable.

Perhaps a simplistic layman’s analysis, but this is the overall perspective I have gained from years of reading WUWT, Paul Homewood’s excellent notalotofpeopleknowthat and many other climate sites. There will, of course, be quirks, loss of life and unexpected crisis, but no worse than we have endured with warring nations and the threat of nuclear Armageddon. Which in itself amuses me as I understand a single hurricane expends the energy of 10,000 nuclear warheads in a matter of minutes. And we had, what, three major Atlantic hurricanes in 2017, but were are, by and large, all still standing. Next year there will be three more, and the year after that, more, but we’ll still be standing.

And people wonder why I believe AGW is a hoax, perhaps an unintentional hoax, but a hoax nonetheless.

Michael Jankowski
November 23, 2017 5:40 pm

“…we are not just scientists but human beings as well. And like most people we’d like to see the world a better place, which in this context translates into our working to reduce the risk of potentially disastrous climatic change. To do that we need to get some broadbased support, to capture the public’s imagination. That, of course, entails getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have…”

Michael Jankowski
Reply to  Michael Jankowski
November 23, 2017 5:40 pm

(that was Stephen Schneider, of course)

Lance Harting
November 23, 2017 5:42 pm

The last sentence in the linked Chicken Little article reveals the true motivation of the Union of Concern Trolls and the alleged “scientists”,

“Working together while respecting the diversity of people and opinions and the need for social justice around the world, we can make great progress for the sake of humanity and the planet on which we depend.”

The entirety of the global warming “movement” has been and will always be an excuse ti impose leftist ideology on the rest of us.

AndyG55
Reply to  Lance Harting
November 23, 2017 5:52 pm

The socialist totalitarian one world government Agenda……. supported by so many of the local AGW trolls.

Just look at the UN, and think if those are the people you want in charge… …..Really !!!

Reply to  Lance Harting
November 23, 2017 9:41 pm

Maybe we should just forget about others’ diversity. I remember a Canadian not long away from his native Jamaica complaining about being a hyphenated Canadian. “They said it was my human right to hang on to my culture, but when I had a few dozen of my old compatriot friends over for a night of beer drinking, dancing, steel drum calypso band music, singing and shouting on a midweek workday, they called the police about 4am and shut us all up!” I said the generosity to your diversity is obvious! If you were a member of the white male straight non diversity designation, they would have sent a swat team by about 9:30pm and booked all us for the night.” He thought that was funny.

Barbara
Reply to  Lance Harting
November 24, 2017 1:58 pm

Ontario Newsroom, July 9, 2015

‘Landmark Climate Statement Signed in Ontario’

“Climate Action Statement Strengthens Collaborative Action the Americas”

Re: Collaboration across the Americas and carbon pricing is included.

https://news.ontario.ca/opo/en/2015/07/landmark-climate-statement-signed-in-ontario.html

BallBounces
November 23, 2017 5:45 pm

Temperatures are up; abortions are (apparently) down. Has anyone studied this?

noaaprogrammer
Reply to  BallBounces
November 23, 2017 7:27 pm

When temperatures get too hot — sexual encounters go down.

Reply to  noaaprogrammer
November 24, 2017 6:18 am

Or is it, when temperatures gets too cool– sexual encounters doesn’t get hot enough………..

Rob
November 23, 2017 5:48 pm

Maybe those dinosaurs died from a lack of CO2, which caused lower levels of oxygen.

AndyG55
November 23, 2017 5:48 pm

This is the sort of mindless idiocy that is helping DESTROY the AGW Agenda..

More and more people are just LAUGHING and pointing at the clowns.. 🙂

CD in Wisconsin
November 23, 2017 5:58 pm

“….Given all that remains unknown and what is at stake with climate change, is it irresponsible to rule out the possibility of human extinction in the coming decades or sooner?…”.

I’m wondering if this guy Zach Ruiter realizes he is basically doing the same thing that has been done too many times before him in history for me to count….which is portending Earth’s (possible/likely/definite) eminent doom. So lets see…there was William Miller (and the Millerites) in the early 19th century and Harold Camping (more recently) just for starters. The list keeps getting more lengthy with time. And…jeepers…they were all wrong, weren’t they?.

I wish Ruiter and his ilk would be a little more specific with there end-of-times doomsday prognostications. I would like some sort of date (say 15 years from now) that I could use to start preparing for the end….assuming I live that much longer.

End-of-days cultists and prognosticators who keep doing this should start realizing what happens when you cry “wolf” too many times. Knowing there has never been any wolf at the door, people just stop listening. Each new end-of-days prognosticator that comes along just makes himself look even sillier than the last one did.

BillT
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
November 23, 2017 6:10 pm

Of course we want a definite date. No point laying down more wine than can be drunk is there?

noaaprogrammer
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
November 23, 2017 7:32 pm

There are always enough dooms-day predictors that whenever the earth does end, there will be someone that just happened to get it right. The problem is, there will be no accolades for them in history since the earth will have ended.

CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
November 24, 2017 2:39 am

@noaaprogrammer: Very true!

arthur4563
November 23, 2017 6:07 pm

Apparently we have at least 15,000 climate illiterate scientists willing to sign any paper that predicts doomsday unless scientists are listened to.

lee
Reply to  arthur4563
November 23, 2017 6:35 pm

In 2014 it was estimated there were about 70,000 climate scientists apparently.
“As of 2014, approximately 70,000 scientists.”

https://www.quora.com/How-many-scientists-world-wide-are-working-on-climate-change

So about 22% on 014 figures. I was expecting more like 97%. /sarc

November 23, 2017 6:07 pm

From the mad raving article is this hilarious babble,

“2. Ice-free Arctic

Dr. Peter Wadhams of the Polar Ocean Physics Group at Cambridge University told The Independent more than a year ago that the central part of the Arctic and the North Pole could be ice-free within one to two years.

Not only will melting Arctic sea ice raise global sea levels, it will also allow the earth to absorb more heat from the sun because ice reflects the sun’s rays while blue open water absorbs it.

One study in the Proceedings Of The National Academy Of Sciences Of The United States Of America estimates the extra heat absorbed by the dark waters of the Arctic in summer would add the equivalent of another 25 per cent to global greenhouse gas emissions.”

How many errors can you count here? I see 5.

Really the reporter, still ignorant of Wadham’s past prediction failures? He has been wrong how many times now,3?

FLOATING Arctic sea ice can cause sea level rise,when it melts? BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Says that Earth (which is the entire planet surface) will absorb more solar radiation because a small region of ice vanishes. Really the reporter think the Arctic region is the whole world? Not only that he doesn’t realize the ocean will lose “heat” faster without an ice cover,especially in the winter.

The dumbest comes last, the truly absurd claim that a very small region at the top of the world, will massively increase greenhouse emissions. The ignorant reporter fails to realize that for a few THOUSAND years in the early interglacial, was a time of little to NO summer ice in the Arctic. The Polar Bears still with us,the world didn’t boil away….

The ignorance burns deeply and hot here,this was just from section two from the article.

Russ R.
November 23, 2017 6:08 pm

Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. The best way to ensure “vast human misery” is to allow a group of bureaucrats power over our production, distribution, and usage of energy. History shows they will act in ways to reward supporters and punish criticism, to consolidate their power.
If we want the ability to respond to changes in the supply and consumption of energy, the best method to do this is through competition for customers, and the free market approach to production and consumption of energy products. No system in our history has done more to reduce “vast human misery” than the application of free people, motivated by what is in their own best interest.
Bogus stories about the danger of “climate change” is just a method to scare people into doing what is not in their own best interest.

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