Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Bill Nye seems to think he has failed to reach people with his demand for urgent action on climate change, but he blames others for creating the conditions which led to his failure.
Bill Nye on his climate change education efforts: “I am a failure”
“The Science Guy” looks back on his 1990s TV show, and why climate change education has not reflected policy change
Between hosting “Bill Nye the Science Guy” and serving as CEO of The Planetary Society, Bill Nye’s career as a science educator means he is also, inherently, an activist when it comes to combating climate change.
Nye joined Jeremy Binckes on “Salon Talks” to discuss his efforts raising awareness around climate change over the years, and to scoop a new documentary film that chronicles his rise from lively children’s show host to national science defender and advocate.
“I am a failure!” Nye exclaimed when reflecting back on the shows he created over two decades ago about the Earth’s warming.
Nye blamed the fossil fuel industry for creating the schism between climate deniers and believers, saying “they have worked so hard to introduce doubt.” He went on to say that he believed climate change was discovered in the 1970s, “and we’ve done virtually nothing about it all this time.”
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Read more: https://www.salon.com/2017/10/23/bill-nye-on-his-climate-change-education-efforts-i-am-a-failure/
Every time you read an assertion that people only doubt because the “fossil fuel industry” has created doubt, in my opinion you are seeing first hand the utter contempt climate enthusiasts have for people’s ability to weigh the evidence for themselves.
The reality is climate enthusiasts have destroyed their own credibility, with their outrageous omissions of adverse data, with their barrage of painfully wrong predictions over the years.
How many hilariously broken “end of snow” predictions did the fossil fuel industry sponsor? How many ice free arctic deadlines have come and gone?
If climate enthusiasts want their claims to be treated seriously, they need to start getting things right once in a while.
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Yes Bill,
You always have been !!
I’ll drink to that!!!!
And for anyone who is wondering, the following news story should be of interest to you:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-backed-forces-take-syrias-largest-oil-field-from-is/ar-AAtQMYw?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=spartanntp
Would this indicate that Mr Nye stopped drinking Klimate Kool-aid and started drinking coffee?
They took it from Syrian government forces apparently. ISIS are funded and armed by USA who want a Christian Leader ASSAD to be ousted in favour of the Muslim terrorists.
I think Stephen Richards is drinking a little more than just the liberal “Kool Aid” !!
@Stephen Fisher Richards: Assad is an Alawite which is a branch of Shia Islam, definitely not Christian. From there your reasoning continues downhill. You really need to understand the myths and prophecies that ISIS self-styled Caliph Al Baghdadi was attempting to fulfil. No doubt a lot of geopolitical interest is driven by the oil in the Eastern mediterranean; but the US interest in that is considerably diminished now the US is a net exporter of oil and gas and not dependent on the Middle East as it once was.
What kind of drink would a Bill Nye be?
I’m thinking dehydrated water.
Only somewhat right. This was the Deep State (US intelligence agencies & Media/celebrities, infiltrated loooooooong ago by Russia/Marxists, *), if you will, working under the fawning of Obama & Hillary, in collusion with Russia, to destabilize the M.E. to flow “refugees” to Western States via social media propaganda (this ‘Arab Spring’ was propagated by usage of Twitter, primarily).
* Just talking about post-McCarthy “was actually right”: MK Ultra (CIA’s LSD doping citizens project) brought forth the ‘counter revolution’ of the late 60s. Media begins trashing anything American made (especially against auto industry. Fiat better than Ford? Eff me.) in the 70s.
It’s a scary rabbit hole.
Carter was put in because we he could be left out of the dark.
JFK, Nixon & Reagan broke off from the cycles.
George H. Bush was the new cycle, CIA anyone?
Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama has really been one, long, puppet show. What I see with Trump is the pro-American military couping the pro-Commie side. He’s just another Carter & Reagan “everyday” person to distract the actual fight behind the scenes.
He could begin to atone for being wrong by admitting to the fraudulent altering of results in his “high school science” experiment with CO2.
Bill Nye, the science lie.
Yes Bill you are a failure. You should have remained as a children’s entertainment clown, instead of pretending you actually knew something about science or playing politics.
Your pathetic attempt to design an experiment to demonstrate the green house effect shows you know nothing and also lack the integrity to recognise what you experiment showed: that you know nothing about GHE.
Nye could start with eliminating his condescending insults like “deniers”.
However it would not help as he is simply wrong. Nevertheless, his proclivity for adding arrogance to his ignorance is deplorable.
Mr. Science Guy: I disagree. You ARE a success, but not in the global warming prediction business. No, you are a success as a post career self diagnostician. Congratulations!
…Bob, I’m still trying to figure out why they considered him a “star” ??
There was a misprint to his announcement. It should read:.
Bill Nye on his climate change education efforts: “I am a PHONY”
Yup, he was even a failure on DWTS
Is that really Bill Nye on DWTS or is it Sam, the Muppet?
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Mickey it’s Beaker from the muppets with the same Qualifications.
Bill who?
Well when you pull a scam, like trying to show CO2 absorption of LWIR, by using an infra-red source that is at half the Temperature of the sun’s surface, and has a Peak Spectral Irradiance that is 100,000 times that of the earth’s surface LWIR source; then people stop trusting anything you say. It also has a Total Irradiance that is 10,000 times that of the real earth source.
Why don’t you try your CO2 IR heating experiment again, except use a source close to the real one.
I suggest a 16 ounce bottle of water out of the cooler, as a very good source of ten micron peak LWIR radiation, and not a bad imitation of a 288K BB radiator. Put that in front of your CO2 samples and observe the Temperature rise due to 15 micron radiation absorption by CO2.
G
I have no idea what no-no button I pushed; but every single item I posted on this thread (and another one) showed up at first, but then magically have all disappeared.
I should save my breath and go elsewhere.
G
Don’t go we (at least I do) love your well-informed commentary sprinkled with subtle humour.
It happens to me occasionally, but comments reappear eventually.
I’ll explain the above, which was posted by G and NOT by g
Earth’s mean surface Temperature is 288K, about +15 deg. C.
So the original condensed surface colored body radiation is some sort of approximation of a 288K black body, with some spectral emissivity lower than 1.
So the spectrum peaks at about 10.1 microns (on a wavelength based spectral radiant emittance basis.
And right here I should pause to correct a glaring error I made above.
I wrote … Spectral Irradiance … and Peak Spectral Irradiance …
Big misteak; it is … Spectral Radiance, and Peak Spectral Radiance … with units of watt per m^2 per micron of wavelength interval. Irradiance is what land on an illuminated surface … NOT …. what is emitted from a surface.
So at 288K Temperature (+15 deg. C, or 59 F) a BB emits about 390 W/m^2 over all wavelengths. and the peak of the spectrum is at about 10.1 microns wavelength.
Now Bill Nye in his much publicized CO2 enhanced heating experiment chose instead of a 15 deg. C bottle of water for an earthlike LWIR radiator; he chose to use an incandescent lamp, which is about 2700-2800 K Temperature; about half of the sun’s surface Temperature .
So Nye’s source is just 10 times the Temperature of the Earth surface, and since BB total radiance goes as T^4, then the Total Radiance and Total Radiant Emittance are 10^4 or 10,000 times that of a chilled bottle of water out of the cooler.
But !! The spectral peak of that 10 times hotter lamp is no longer 10.1 microns. By Wien’s Displacement Law, the spectral peak of 2800K BB radiation is at 1 micron, not 10 microns, so the photons are also ten times more energetic: Einstein’s ….. E = h (nu), or h f if you like. I do believe Einstein also said E = mc^2
So the … Peak Spectral Radiance …. goes as T^5 , not T^4 ; but don’t forget there are fewer microns of spectral bandwidth at 1.0 microns peak spectrum, than there are at 10 microns peak spectrum.
Chemists like to use a frequency horizontal axis (nu), so their BB graphs are … watt per m^2 per wave number (frequency), so their graphs give a peak at a different frequency, which just happens to be close to the CO2 20 micron wavelength frequency, so it makes CO2 look more ominous.
So I threw the Peak Spectral Radiance in for effect; 100,000 times sounds more impressive than 10,000 times; so don’t be fooled, a 2800 K lamp is only 10,000 times brighter than the earth but it also is 1/16th as bright as the surface of the sun.
So yes Bill Nye did cheat; but I suspect out of sheer ignorance, not malice.
G
Never trust a guy in a bow tie, especially Bill Nye.
For once, Bill Nye is correct. He is a failure, because he has failed to convince the majority of his audience with his lies and falsified data and reasoning. Give up, Bill, before legal proceedings catch up with you.
The majority of his audience?
What audience does he really have (or have left these days)?
He’s the Pee Wee Herman of science television.
Maybe Ice Road Truckers is stealing his audience with reality vs failed predictions.
TV cranks out so many conflicting fantasies and distorted representations of reality that immature minds who’ve had no training in critical thought can get pretty messed up watching it.
Go on Reddit and every time Bill’s name pops up there are many comments from people who enjoyed his show. He has a following.
Reddit is pro alarming…it is very interesting and entertaining to read.
Wow! A paradox. Everything Bill says is either mistaken or a lie. But he says he is a failure, and I believe it, but Bill is always wrong. My head hurts. No more puzzles tonight.
Bill may be almost always wrong but he is Nye wrong about this
Nonsense. Anyone who has learned how to knot a bow tie cannot consider himself a failure.
That’s true Mike.
Unless it’s a clip on?
Schrodinger’s Bill.
That’s what the cleaners sent for getting the cat hair off his suit.
I think you meant “Schrodinger’s twat”!
If I could say something to Bill it would be “extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.” This was the montra he used in his middle school education video on the subject PSEUDO SCIENCE. What ever happened to him?
Money and fame.
Never trust a nerd who wears bow ties.
Bow ties are either black or white; who the hell ever heard of a blue bow tie ??
G
Oh I forgot; some Pansies are blue !
g
Aww, no fair picking on poor Bill Nye! He just reflects the belief system of the legacy media, and the social class that they came from. As the great unwashed cannot handle complex arguments, dumbing everything down is the most the elite is convinced the peasant slime can handle. This sort of contempt for the public, their audience, is the dominant world-view of education as well as the legacy media. As Nye did an “educational” TV show, he belongs to both communities.
It’s hard being an entertainer. He’s been flailing around trying to keep his career going for a while. His latest effort isn’t helping. link
I wonder if his climate schtick isn’t just a way to keep him in the public eye.
A good place to start for Bill is with his and ManBearPig’s CO2 experiment failure/dishonesty that Anthony highlights in the Climate FAIL files pulldown.
Bill Nye is a media showboat, Neil deGrasse Tyson is another one.
… and both are clowns.
No way. These two look silly and lark about all the time.
Now, not clowns. Bozo was a clown…Ronald McDonald is a clown…Nye and Tyson couldn’t even aspire to that league
Ronald at least pushes something that people want to buy.
Bozo died last week.
http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2017/oct/15/wowie-kazow-we-ll-miss-our-funny-childh/?f=features
MarkW
What???? Oh no.
Anyone want to take bets on how long before the snow line goes further and further south? Sun’s not got spots. Sea ice is expanding. There have been zero box elder bugs this fall, but those odd-looking critters called stink bugs have been everywhere. I’m looking for a cave cricket showing up on my front sidewalk.
Strangest of all (mostly due to warmer October weather), the usual fall color turn for trees is so late, it may not happen at all. I’ve never been through an autumn during which the color change lasted less than ten days, but this may be a first. The tress are mostly just showing dried leaves and no color change. This is not normal.
Sara,
I don’t know where you live. However, the stink bugs in south-central Ohio are more abundant this year than at any time during the 13 years I have lived here. I don’t have a clue what that means, if anything, though. Perhaps they are cyclical like cicadas. I thought that wooly bears were supposed to be the Winter weather predictor that everyone turns to.
Hold it!…..This is not the same variety of “stink bug” that we here in North America have been familiar with for all our lives. This is an invasive species of insect that appears to have arrived in the 1990s per this Wikipedia article:
Halyomorpha halys, also known as the brown marmorated stink bug (BMSB), or simply the stink bug, is an insect in the family Pentatomidae that is native to China, Japan, the Koreas, and Taiwan.[2] It was accidentally introduced into the United States, with the first specimen being collected in September 1998.[3] The brown marmorated stink bug is considered to be an agricultural pest,[4] and by 2010–11 had become a season-long pest in U.S. orchards.[5] Currently it is widespread in Europe, and recently has been found in South America.[6]
Its arrival likely has far more to do with the importation of plants…..including vegetables….. from the Far East nations than it has to do with any kind of climate factors.
I live in northeastern Illinois, near Lake Michigan.
The stinkbugs have a shield-shaped carapace and legs with spurs on them. Yes, they’re the Halyomorpha halys, and I find that certain wasps like to eat them, as do spiders.
I would normally expect to see box elder bugs, the most useless thing ever invented, but not one has shown up since late April this year.
Here in the far western UP, on the shoreline of Lake Superior, we’ve had a cool, wet summer so trees were not stressed by summer heat or dryness. Our colors this Fall are running about 3-4 weeks later than usual, and the anticipated Fall colors have been “smeared” over an extended period of time, so there’s really been no “peak color” season. We have a black walnut in our back yard (yes, I know, far out of its native range) and it’s just now beginning to show some color and drop leaves; the black walnut harvest has been great!
STINK BUGS: From September 2010:
http://www.newser.com/story/101303/stink-bugs-invade-eastern-us.html
And Sara,
Here on the eastern slopes of the Cascades — the dry side — the colors are near the best we have seen in 25 years.
But, Clarion PA calls itself the Autumn Leaf Capital of the World. I lived there for many years and know the colors are great there most years. “Of the World” ? Well better than here, but I don’t know a lot about the rest of the world.
In response to: Sara October 23, 2017 at 9:04 pm
Iffen my “remember’er” doesn’t fail me, to wit:
The fall color change of leaf foliage is “triggered” by the decrease in hours of daily Sunlight. The shorter “daylight” hours terminates the photosynthesis in the leaves and the ”green” chlorophyll disappears …. while at the same time the tree starts “sucking” the residual sugars out of the leaves and transports it to the roots.
If the weather remains warm and mild (NO frosts, rain, cold, freezing temperatures) then the abscission layer is slow to form and most of said “sugars” are removed and the leaf turns “brown” in color. To have the most vivid “fall foliage” you need a really good “frost” in mid to late September to mid-October, …… depending on the latitude.
Young Sugar Maples usually produce the most vividly bright fall colors.
Do Sugar Maples produce a better sap with colder weather? Citrus in Florida is always sweeter when there is cold weather just before peak ripening,
Tom,
Sugar maples “produce” the most sap when the days are warm and nights are cold (in late winter / early spring). My grandfather used to say the “sap was running” then – flowing up from the roots during the warm days and retreating back to the roots at night. Would only take a day or two to fill a 5-gallon bucket full of sap. Used to hate collecting sap every morning… Ironically, I didn’t even like maple syrup back then. Now I love it.
rip
Yes, you do need a good frost, usually in early October and we have never once had cold enough nights for that until now. Some trees still have green leaves because the weather has been so warm with plenty of rain. However, the temps are currently dropping into the 30s at night now. Maybe we’ll have a few days of it.
Even the geese haven’t seemed motivated to move south just yet.
Tom in Florida, …… colder weather has nothing to do with the Sugar Maples (Acer saccharum) producing greater quantities or “sweeter” sap.
Warm days in early Spring causes the sap to flow up the tree trunk to the meristem cells at the end of each branch to facilitate the spring growth of limbs, leaves, buds, etc.. But if the night time temperature drops, then the sap will flow back down to the roots thus preventing it from freezing and causing damage to the “new” growth.
Thus, freezing nights and warm days are “Maple sap collectors” dream-come-true because they get a rush of sap up n’ down the tree trunk both morning and evening. And the sugar laden “sap flow” of all trees in the temperate zone and above react the same.
It is that sugar laden sap flow that produces all of the initial Springtime growth of limbs, leaf foliage and blossoms/flowers which occurs 2 to 4 weeks prior to any atmospheric CO2 being ingassed, absorbed or even needed for photosynthesis activity. The trees produce the Spring bloom/blossoms prior to the growth of the leaf foliage ……. so that the “pollinators” can perform their task with the greatest of ease.
How old are you, Sara? I remember many autumns and winters this warm. It is typical of a La Nina winter. On December 31, 2004 I bought a brand 2004 350Z convertible. It was warm enough that day that I could drive with my convertible top off until sunset. When I was still in grade school, I remember a very warm November. This was November 28, 1988. Over night here in North Carolina there was one of the worst tornadoes in North Carolina history, an EF4. I well remember how warm it was overnight and how warm it was the next morning. I spent my morning before school watching the news about the tornado instead of my usual cartoons.
There is nothing unusual or unprecedented about this October. I remember many autumns that were this warm. All you need to do is research weather history to see that seasons like this, while uncommon, are not unusual.
Oh, no, they’re not unusual, but we had that blocking omega high while Irma the Windy was blowing her way up the east coast. We had above-average rains in July, causing flooding, and then Harvey flooded Texas and Irma followed. It’s just a disruption in weather patterns, that’s all.
I was hoping for a frost followed by the two to three days of Indian Summer, but we’re now so near November that we may get snow instead. I do know there was snow earlier today on the weather map in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.
Maybe we’ll have a normal winter for once. That would be nice.
Similarly on south Vancouver Island. The Maples only started turning a week or so ago.
I’m in the valley. It’s been 2 Weeks here. Very normal for October. Leaves are dropping now
Quick turnaround though, what normally happens in three weeks has happened in one. Hey, this is Vancouver Island and the rules don’t always apply.
View out the back door in southern Vermont (10/23/17). Oaks are the last to go this year. Last year was a bit brighter, but this year is more intense in other ways. Had an incredible crop of tomatoes and hot peppers from the garden.
http://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/6485/1pHHBh.png
Nice view you have there. 🙂
Thanks, the night sky is pretty good also.
Plus it’s very quiet.
Been here for over 30 years.
Please don’t tell anyone….
meanwhile further along the border
(photo by Christine Hess)
click to see on full screen
Believe it not, the great state of Vermont somehow bases a portion of our property tax on the value of the view. So we let it grow, then ask for a tax abatement because the “view” has changed, then log it off.
Rinse, cycle and repeat. Only works a few times in a lifetime…
We have noticed the increased forest growth in the last few years.
Like money in the bank.
Whohoo.
Climate models supposedly reflect what climate scientists know about climate change. The problem is you have to change the coefficients depending on whether you need the models to predict gloom and doom (the hidden agenda) or need to match it to measured results. Bill Nye is who you wheel out as a distraction when the transformation matrix gets exposed.
Bill Nye is right, he is a failure on the subject of “Climate Change”, but not for the reasons that he puts forward.. He is a failure because he failed to investigate the subject intelligently and seek the truth.
“. . . you are seeing first hand the utter contempt climate enthusiasts have for people’s ability to weigh the evidence for themselves.”
“. . . climate enthusiasts have destroyed their own credibility, with their outrageous omissions of adverse data, with their barrage of painfully wrong predictions over the years.”
Can’t be said in a civil manner any better, Eric. And the utter contempt shoe is on the other foot now. Generation prior to mine had a saying: “. . . if someone will knowingly lie to you, they’ll also pick your pocket..” Oh . . . wait a minute . . . AGW just came to . . .
“… but he blames others for creating the conditions which led to his failure”
Just like Hillary and so many others on the left …
Blaming others for your failures is the main reason people fail.
You can only change your own behavior, not the behavior of others. So playing the blame game guarantees you won’t make any significant effort to do things differently, and almost inevitably fail again.
You can only change your own behavior, not the behavior of others. So playing the blame game guarantees you won’t make any significant effort to do things differently, and almost inevitably fail again.
Exactly – he is a failure because it is someone else’s fault.
My only relationship with EXXON, Chevron, ARCO, etc. is that I pay them. Photosynthesis is a fact. It requires CO2. It produces Oxygen. What is wrong with our educational system that basic science is ignored by all the Goreons.
This may be the 1st scientifically verifiable fact Bill Nye has uttered in the last 30 years!
Way to go, Bill!!!
I always get Bill Nye and Pee Wee Herman mixed up. Yes Bill, you are a failure, in so far as your education goes on climate science for kids. I don’t think you should be teaching kids anything, least of all, climate science issues.
I get Bill Nye and Jerry Sandusky confused.
(yeah, i wouldn’t want nye anywhere near children anymore so than pee-wee)…
I think you just insulted Pee Wee Herman.
Probably the first time he got anything right.
As a kid growing up and very interested in science, I was a devoted watcher of Don Herbert, who played “Mr. Wizard” on TV. He had a long career inspiring children to love science, and I don’t remember a single political word, no crusades, no indoctrination, just “hey look at this…”.
Contrast that with Bill Nye, and it just illustrates one more way our civilization is headed in the wrong direction. What a pompous windbag, and dangerous to boot.
I am sure he still gets paid each time his shows are screened on Netflix or in schools in Australia. My daughter talked about watching one of his shows in school, I don’t recall what the subject was, but it was completely, and demonstrably, wrong.
Most people see through BS fairly quickly.
It was said of Nye that “He went on to say that he believed climate change was discovered in the 1970s”. Um, I think climate change was realized sometime before the ancient Egyptians, over some 4000 years ago, for example. That’s pretty basic stuff. No wonder he missed on the more complex ideas.
“Every time you read an assertion that people only doubt because the “fossil fuel industry” has created doubt, in my opinion you are seeing first hand the utter contempt climate enthusiasts have for people’s ability to weigh the evidence for themselves.”
But you also have a direct comparison to what the cigarette industry did to obfuscate evidence.
It’s no coincidence that the people that supported the cigarette industry now use the same tactics to discredit GW.
But I am just saying something you all know to be true. So I guess we all agree.
O unironic user of Orwell in one’s pseudonym, a more on point parallel is the War on Cancer, another mischieivious bit of pandering Nixon signed onto. Anyone who doubted that industrial chemicals were causing a cancer epidemic were tools of the industry, and should be discounted on that basis.
While the State of California, with Proposition 65, still adheres to that very expensive scientific and political rabbit hole, there are about as many people admitting to having taken that presumption seriously as admitted followers of eugenics after H i t ler.
….It’s no coincidence that the people that supported the cigarette industry now use the same tactics to discredit GW…..
Surely it is the Global warming industry using the cigarette company’s tactics. All we ask is that all the data is made available so we can choose for ourselves whether to buy the product or not. Unlike cigarettes we are forced by law to buy this product so we should have right to all data before any “adjustment” especially as a normal engineering quality control exercise results in an equal an opposite adjustment and an actual cooling now instead of a warming. They cannot reasonably demand any data is confidential but equally demand it is used as evidence for forcing us to buy an expensive and very ugly and inefficient product called renewable energy.
Nice projection. In reality, you know it’s the CAGW proponents that are using deception and smears instead of evidence. But activists always feel like they’re acting for the greater good, so if they use some underhanded tactics, it’s best to pin those on the opponent lest they lose the moral high ground. ‘He said, she said’ is always preferable to ‘We got caught’.
“In reality, you know it’s the CAGW proponents that are using deception and smears instead of evidence.”
That’s like saying:
“In reality, you know it’s the anti cigarette proponents that are using deception and smears instead of evidence.”
Right. How did that work out?
Your name exudes “I’m a Progressive” plain as day. A skeptical person you clearly are not. Progressives like to claim exactly opposite of what is the truth. Still fight with bogus straw-man comparisons and not with real data. And contrary to CAGW supporters, it clearly is NOT the oil companies fighting against the Progressive CAGW meme. Oil companies want coal dead so their natural gas deposits double or triple in value within a decade. I see all kinds of oil company commercials on TV spouting the Progressive Green agenda, have never, ever seen one saying AGW is hoax and is not happening.
reallyskeptical
In Europe (including the UK) since the 1970”s there has never been any doubt cigarettes cause cancer.
As has been pointed out to you, smoking, or not, is a personal choice.
And Christine Figueres, amongst others, has cited CAGW as a political cause to effect wealth distribution and the implementation of global socialism. The imposition of these principles is not a matter of personal choice, nor even subject to democracy.
And contrary to your personal beliefs, the world does not revolve around the US so your tobacco comparison is ludicrous.
dear reallyskeptical
you have convinced me.
trump for 8 years.
wanna try for 12?
🙂
Heck, even you name IS A LIE, a DECEIT.
You don’t have a skeptical or scientific bone in your body !
Totally GULLIBLE.
Actually, anti-cigarette DID use evidences, not smear and deception, and they didn’t push anti-cigarette business, as CAGW proponent do (wind, solar, expensive cars,…). Everybody knew from long ago that smoking was bad, but, eh, aren’t all pleasure?
You think you are like the anti-cigarette lobby? No you aren’t. You are like the cigarette lobby: hiding data, smearing, deceiving, and posing as the opposite of what you are (like: skeptical, when you are a true believer impervious of facts)
Once again reallygullible demonstrates that lies and repeated lies are the only mental weapon it possesses.
It worked out something like this: Big government: Don’t gamble, it’s a sin and it’s illegal. Oh, wait! The mob is making a killing on this. Let’s get in on the act. Loto this loto that loto tax on the idiot masses. Now gambling is a GOOD thing. Same routine for marijuana. Don’t smoke weed. It’s sinful and it’s bad for you. Oh wait! The underworld is making a killing on this. Now buying and smoking weed will be legal in Canada next year. The moral to all this? Where was big government when it KNEW tobacco was harmful? They were busy pimping the profits while admonishing us to stop smoking. They’re still doing it.
Isn’t Bill the guy walking around with a sign “Repent – The End Is Nye”.
You don’t need any ‘tactics to discredit global warming’ when you have muppets like Michael Mann,Al Gore and Bill Nye advocating it.
your use of an ad hominem rather than a recourse to empirical data and reasoning is noted. And copied.
I could not agree more. Contemptuous and insulting in the extreme.
Not a single one of those scientists who have demonstrated the fallacies in the CAGW hypotheses (plural because proponents do keep moving goalposts) have had anything whatsoever to do with supporting the tobacco industry that I am aware of. If you know of any, do let us have the evidence, I’d be interested. If you don’t, then this is just an unsubstantiated lie.
Al Gore, on the other hand…
Hey, this is just Alinsky in action! It is not trolling, it is actually deed of war.
If Heartland receives 1% of it’s budget from an oil company, one year, 20 years ago. Then that’s evidence that Heartland is controlled by the oil industry.
On the other hand receiving 100% of your money from the government proves that you are incorruptible and never to be questioned.
I believe Dr Fred Singer was asked to do a statistical analysis of a study that claimed significant harm from SECOND HAND smoke. It was my recollection that Dr Singer correctly pointed out statistical errors in that paper (why does that sound familiar?).
Subsequent statistical analysis backed up Dr. Singer’s conclusions. But Dr Singer was (and still is) slandered for the mere fact that his conclusion was not consistent with the current meme.
Oreskes jumped on that perception and of course used the tobacco issue as a model for how to combat climate skepticism.
My Father smoked all his life. He died in his 90s from a gall bladder problem.
We all know many people who smoked and did not get cancer.
The assertion that smoking causes cancer is only partially correct.
Smoking causes cancer in some people.
Now that’s a statement I could support one hundred percent….but it’s not quite so punchy…is it.
The exception to the rule, when investigated by a truly scientific mind and in an impartial manner, will lead to a more comprehensive understanding than willful ignorance of it’s existence.
We also all knew people who died of lung cancer yet never smoked nor ever lived in a smoking environment.
Tobacco use increases the risk of cancer and respiratory ailments. Any stronger claim than that is unsubstantiated.
Conviction doesn’t automatically mean guilty. Acquittal doesn’t automatically mean innocent. Liable doesn’t automatically mean responsible. Reality is not rewritten by courtroom fiat.
If I recall correctly, it was a gene some people carry that causes lung cancer. No doubt there is an increased risk due to smoking but smoking in itself does not cause cancer. It will, however, just about guarantee a long time smoker will end up with other serious lung issues. One of the greatest days of my life was when I quit smoking, March 15, 1979.
It is even more correct to only say that smoking cigarettes and using tobacco products is associated with an increased risk of some cancers and certain other diseases.
If it was true that cigarettes “cause” cancer, then it should be possible to state how many cigarettes one has to smoke to then have cancer.
As noted, some people live their entire lives as heavy smokers and have no cancer, or any of the other health problems associated with tobacco usage.
Clearly there is far more to cancer than some would have us believe.
Not too surprising though, that someone that thinks it is scientific to assert that “CO2 causes global warming”, would also believe it accurate to say “cigarettes cause cancer”.
For the record, I do not smoke, have never smoked, think smokers should all quit immediately.
It may be that some set of genetic predispositions prevents cancer in certain individuals, which after all only becomes advanced when several protective mechanisms fail, and the neoplasm acquires abilities that should be prevented from occurring, such as procuring a blood supply, or somehow becoming able to translocate within the body.
3 out of 4 of my grandparents were smokers. 2 were heavy smokers. They lived into their 80s and 90s. My grandfather was an athletic non-smoker and was the only one to die early, and the only one that died of cancer. So there are more exceptions to the rule. Many of the people who broke longevity records were smokers as well. They are also exceptions to the false rule.
drednicolson October 24, 2017 at 4:40 am
That’s garbage.
Just the fact that one is living ……. increases the risk of that person acquiring a cancerous growth via a mutation of one of their body’s cells. To wit:
reallyskeptical October 23, 2017 at 10:01 pm
Reallyskeptical, and just how did that mean ole cigarette industry obfuscate the actual, factual scientific evidence that …… “cigarette smoke is a proven cause of cervical cancer”?
“A proven cause of cancer” is pretty much an exaggeration in all cases. Oncologists call these things “risk factors” because they are smart enough to know that science does not know what causes cancer. Why the rest of people can’t get that is beyond me.
@ur momisugly Sheri
#1 risk factor ……. a chain-smoking lover???????
“the utter contempt climate enthusiasts have for people’s NON-ability to weigh the evidence for themselves.”
We certainly have UTTER contempt for you, little mister TOTALLY gullible !!
The evidence does NOT support the AGW farce.
….. and you KNOW that …
… or you are terribly dumb and totally gullible)
Surely a coincidence, that Al gore was in the Tobacco industry, and is now in the CAGW industry.
And his family money was from the fossil fuel industry too, no (“Accidental” Petroleum, lol). Hypocrite through and through!
ReallyGullible, can you come up with even the tiniest shred of evidence to support your belief that there is a massive campaign by the oil industry to spread confusion and doubt?
Since we both know that won’t and can’t, what does that say about you?
BTW, I love it when trolls go about telling other people what they know and believe.
Just more evidence that trolls are neurotic.
Nice try. Labelling something true does not make it true. Which may be why GW lacks science. It’s followers think saying it’s true makes it true.
Tossing in cigaratte sellers is designed to create a diversion and a very, very false comparison. It’s an act of desperation, rather than showing one actually has a case. Not surprising, since GW lacks a case. It could be a valid move there after all.
He is quite right. He is a miserable failure. The way to convince people is not to preach at them.That way you only get the faithful and they are now a minority that is split between climate change and other faith based cults or religions.
Had he invited questioning of climate science and been able to show the data and methods were beyond question as claimed and the predictions utterly reliable he could have convinced us.
They call it science and even school kids learnt to do experiments to verify Newton but do they ever do an exercise to see just how hard it is to measure the temperature accurately to even two degrees? Put a few Stevenson screens or any other enclosure in a garden a mere forty foot or even ten metres square and see how just moving a few potted plants can change results by a very significant amount in minutes.
Nye’s principal failure was selling out science for ideology.
Which of course is the failure he will never acknowledge.
Yes, Nye The NOT-SO-Sciency Guy IS a complete failure…
As a “denier”, I’m still waiting for Exxon check, which I’m sure will magically appear once: global temps start increasing at 0.3C/decade, sea levels start increasing at 1 foot/decade, snow will be unseen by our children, ocean pH falls below 7.6, crop yields fall 2/3rds to 1960 levels, severe weather incidence/severity trends start increasing every decade from here on, CH4 levels increase 10 times the current rate, all coral reefs die off, Antarctic land ice starts decreasing at 130 billion tons/yr, ad nauseam…..
Nye didn’t fail…. the CAGW hypothesis did…
Bill…you got deNyed!