New Floating Offshore Wind Turbines

Hywind offshore wind turbine, the world's first floating offshore wind turbine
Hywind offshore wind turbine, the world’s first floating offshore wind turbine. By Jarvin (Own work -) [GFDL or CC BY 3.0], via Wikimedia Commons

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

A Scottish wind farm composed of novel design floating offshore wind turbines has officially started generating power. Proponents claim the floating megastructures are cheaper than traditional turbines, and will open offshore sites too deep for traditional fixed pylon designs.

The Hywind project: the world’s first floating wind farm

By SOPHIE CHAPMAN . Oct 19, 2017, 6:43AM

The world’s first floating wind farm opened on 18 October by Nicola Sturgeon, off the east coast of Scotland.

The 6MW turbines rise 175m above sea level, making them taller than London’s Big Ben and Oslo’s Plaza, and extend 78m below the surface of the water, tied to the sea bed by cables.

The anchors used to stabilise the turbines stand at 16m and weigh 111 tonnes.

The concept of a floating turbine was conceived in 2001, a single prototype being made in 2009, and funding for the project was provided in 2015.

The benefits of a floating offshore wind farm are the lower costs of production than onshore farms, as well as floating turbines being able to reach areas in the sea with a depth of 800m, which so far has been unattainable for wind projects.

Read more: http://www.energydigital.com/renewable-energy/hywind-project-worlds-first-floating-wind-farm

Lets hope those anchors are secure. One hundred and eleven tons of free floating wind turbine could create a terrifying navigation hazard.

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DaveKeys
October 22, 2017 6:43 am

The foundations of many off shore wind turbines are cracking due to grouting problem. This is a major issue. This court case says that the turbine owner must pay for fixing the damage. I get the feeling that engineering does not fully understand all the issues regarding off shore wind farms. This is a new technology involving extremely large forces needing very substantial and solid foundations. This is early days and the cracks are appearing. I think many of these wind turbines will fail.


The news that Eon must foot the bill to repair defective offshore wind turbines at Robin Rigg may have ramifications for UK offshore wind farm developers.

Many developers have had to deal with issues relating to the grout used to connect turbine towers to their foundations. It’s a costly and often difficult fix in a market where the margins between financial success and failure are tight.

Grout taken out

The issue is thought to exist at around 14 UK offshore wind farms, which were built to DNV standard J101. The problem with J101 is that it significantly overestimated the tolerance of the grout, leading to movement within the foundation connections.

That means hundreds of turbines had to be fixed, often in deep water, in harsh conditions and in an industry where suitable specialist vessels are expensive and in very short supply.

The Supreme Court on Friday rejected Eon’s bid to appeal an earlier ruling that its contractor, the Danish firm MT Hojgaard, was liable for repairs to the foundations at the Robin Rigg project. Hojgaard designed, fabricated and installed the turbine foundations between 2007-2009. It built them using the J101 standard before the grout problem became known.

https://theenergyst.com/offshore-wind-contract-dispute-settled/

Greg
Reply to  DaveKeys
October 22, 2017 7:44 am

what does that have to do with a floating platform?

MarkW
Reply to  Greg
October 22, 2017 7:51 am

Floating platforms aren’t offshore?

Greg
Reply to  Greg
October 22, 2017 8:15 am

do they have foundations and grouting ?

Editor
Reply to  Greg
October 22, 2017 8:26 am

There’s likely a little grout at the attachment points for the chains. It there’s a problem with it, the fix should be just to plant a new anchor and move the chain. That’s a lot easier than working on a foundation with the full weight of the tower on it.

I’d be more concerned about flex in the power cables, especially at the attachment points.

bitchilly
Reply to  Greg
October 22, 2017 5:55 pm

i am more interested in the effect of scouring on the “suction” anchors. the north sea is a cruel mistress. the maintenance costs on anything from boats to rigs in that environment 24/7 are astronomical ,these will be no different. i suspect the first thing to seize up will be the bearings the part of the blade runs on ,on the pitch control mechanism.

Moderately Cross of East Anglia
Reply to  DaveKeys
October 22, 2017 9:41 am

DaveKeys – yes you are absolutely correct, the latest windmills are already coming out of true in some cases a few months after installation and the repair costs are going to be astronomic. The offshore crews know the extent of the problems but the green cargo cult and its media friends are in denial. An expensive denial.

October 22, 2017 6:44 am

The whales are gonna love it.

TA
Reply to  Doonhamer
October 22, 2017 7:25 am

They have given no thought nor done any research on how these windmills will effect whales and other sea-dwelling creatures. The sound these windmills produce propagates for great distances in the water.

All this stupidity to solve a non-existent CO2 problem.

There are a lot of fools in this old world, and too many of them are in positions of power.

October 22, 2017 6:45 am

As will the fish, as this must be no-go area for trawlers.

Katherine
October 22, 2017 6:51 am

I wonder how all those 800+ meters of cables flexing and stretching in the water will affect sea life? Barnacles? Whales? A small experimental setup might not do much, but once you scale up to 5 larger turbines spread across a much larger area of the sea, it might be a different story.

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Katherine
October 22, 2017 11:29 am

Im guessing it’s just like anything else in the ocean. There’ll be barnacles all over everything and they will become floating microcosms as the sea assimilates them. I could get fun if a group of them operating makes sufficient infrasound beats to draw whales. I would be interested in learning the sonic impacts of these devices.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Pop Piasa
October 22, 2017 12:08 pm

Enviro-wackos are already impacting U.S. Navy operations out of fear of impacts to whales. Anybody want to bet if they attack offshore wind projects?

Katherine
Reply to  Pop Piasa
October 22, 2017 7:11 pm

Or maybe the barnacle encrustation will turn the cables brittle. Or a whale might end up ramming against the submarine portion of the structure. Whales have been known to hit boats, right? What more something that’s essentially a floating island?

MarkW
Reply to  Pop Piasa
October 23, 2017 7:39 am

They’ve already forgiven the wind turbines for killing millions of birds, I don’t see them getting upset over a few whales.
The Enviro-wackos have very flexible ethics.

jvcstone
Reply to  Katherine
October 22, 2017 11:50 am

read an article a week or so ago in which a couple of green energy types claimed that an Atlantic ocean floating wind farm could be sized to furnish the entire world’s power needs. Didn’t say how much open water that would leave for shipping needs. Wish I could remember where so I could furnish a link, but unfortunately, I have slept a few times since then.

Cynthia
October 22, 2017 7:11 am

Sometimes it is good to try stuff.
— What did people say about fracking? “Ha Ha they think they’re gonna crack rocks and get fuel out? Ha Ha”.

Paul Penrose
Reply to  Cynthia
October 22, 2017 9:04 am

“Sometimes” is the operative word here. It makes no sense to try things that you know from the outset are foolish.

john
October 22, 2017 7:13 am

Jeff Bezos caught on video littering, creating a hazard for wind technicians and ruining seals/bearings of one of his own wind turbines….

http://mashable.com/2017/10/19/jeff-bezos-smashes-champagne-bottle-atop-wind-turbine/#oN3VhDXpbaqo

Greg
Reply to  john
October 22, 2017 7:43 am

jeff Bozos

Michael Darby
October 22, 2017 7:32 am

This will all end in tears. The Global Warming Cult wrongly divides sources of electric energy into fossil fuels and renewables. The correct division is reliables and unreliables. The only sane reason for using unreliables is that reliables are not available or inconvenient.(example, it makes sense to use a solar panel to power the phone box at Middleton near the Northern Territory – Queensland Border). Insane reasons for using unreliables include: The unreliables are subsidised; the reliables are banned or restricted. Look carefully at which politicians (or their families) profit by directing subsidies to unreliables. The real tragedy is the human suffering which is not alleviated because of reckless misdirection of resources to unreliables.

John Stover
October 22, 2017 7:36 am

Where can we find the day-to-day output figures for this pilot project? It is certainly some impressive engineering but the economics are daunting. As a former military spec ops officer I can’t help but envision how easy it would be to destroy these with a very small team and very limited technology. But that is equally true of any linear targets. Safeguarding railways, bridges, power lines, pipelines and similar installations is a real challenge.

October 22, 2017 7:46 am

Yet another stupid idea from the Greenie mind. I despise seeing these turbines anyplace.

Neraho
October 22, 2017 7:48 am

This is very, very terrible. Very wasteful, very dangerous and almost quite impossible. I just disagree with it very much. BAD! Which article are we debating?

Greg
Reply to  Neraho
October 22, 2017 7:59 am

2almost quite impossible”

translated directly from Navahoe code language by Google translate. Thanks for you well arugmented comment.

Bad, very bad. As a great man once said.

MarkW
Reply to  Greg
October 22, 2017 2:16 pm

Greg complaining about a post that merely disagrees and insults.
Irony is truly dead.

Gregory
October 22, 2017 7:49 am

(SNIPPED out the baseless complaint about Greg) MOD

MarkW
Reply to  Gregory
October 22, 2017 7:54 am

(SNIPPED) MOD

Greg
Reply to  MarkW
October 22, 2017 8:08 am

Not being able to tell which bigoted side someone is on may be an indication of them not having a bigoted opinion and being an objective observer who forms an opinion by weighing the facts.

I am “angry” about the usual, fact free rants, on both sides. As a trained scientist and engineer I demand facts. I get annoyed when I get iPhone batteries and football fields instead of FACTS.

It would be great is wind power could be made to work but am quite happy to lay into the kind of stupid mismanagement and deliberate ignorance of engineering that led to the South Australia fiasco.

No one pays me to be insulting. It’s an unpaid pass-time 😉

(Greg, let it go. I have snipped it out since it was unwarranted. You make a snark comment too with this,which is understandable, “jeff Bozos”,we all have made a snark comment before) MOD

Greg
Reply to  MarkW
October 22, 2017 8:47 am

Thanks for the moral support but I’m quite happy to be criticised and to explain any confusion about my position and comments.

The deleted comments were wrong and pretty much jumping to conclusions but I did not find them offensive or warranting censorship.

I do lay into eco-loons like Griff but I’m also known to agree with him on the rare occasion he makes a valid point. I would prefer WUWT to continue to allow debate than censor it. That is what sets it apart from most of the other climate sites around.

(I deleted those two comments because the first one was an ad hom attack,off topic. The other one was a repeat of the first,which was also completely off topic. I am moderating based on the guidelines Anthony gave me,to DELETE comments that are personal attacks,off topic) MOD

MarkW
Reply to  MarkW
October 22, 2017 2:01 pm

The bulk of Greg’s comments start off with, this guys an idiot, or something similar.

Twobob
October 22, 2017 7:51 am

I found the engineering to be outstanding.
The design and build very efficient.
Loved those little red baskets at the top where the cooling fans are.
They should hold a lot of ice and snow, that may help with cooling.

Dennis
October 22, 2017 8:02 am

Oh! boy! anchor a wind turbine in salt water and cross your fingers…..what could possibly go wrong?
The Maintenance costs will probably be more than the electricity they produce.
If a big storm hits ….. No electricity.
Lots of wind farms and solar panels are scattered all over the landscape after this years Hurricane season!

don rady
Reply to  Dennis
October 28, 2017 8:36 pm

A large storm will destroy these off shore wind turbines. They will blame it on climate change and fossil fuel use as making the storm more severe then they had planned. Thus they will build more off shore wind turbines to try and eliminate more C02, to stop the next storm from getting even more severe, etc. etc.. The insanity will continue.

October 22, 2017 8:03 am

The 6 MW units have enough material to make several Molten Salt Reactors with >90% availability that also offers significant co-generation from thermal. One of my client is designing a 20’ shipping container, that weighs 30 tons to produce 250 MWS Thermal.

Case 4 the Good Reactor https://spark.adobe.com/page/1nzbgqE9xtUZF/

Massively unsustainable RE: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/07/05/monumental-unsustainable-environmental-impacts/

Greg
Reply to  Walter Horsting
October 22, 2017 8:13 am

250 MWS , megawatt.siemens. strange unit measurement, what does that represent in iPhones ?

Curious George
Reply to  Walter Horsting
October 22, 2017 5:25 pm

I am not a friend of seabird-chopping machines, but at least these windmills exist and entered production. Comparing them with machines that are not even in a prototype stage yet is disingenuous.

lb
October 22, 2017 8:17 am

“Each turbine is capable of pumping 6 megawatts of energy into the grid”

I don’t like the verb “pumping” in this sentence. It implies too much. How about dripping, sputtering, drizzling, seeping, oozing …

MarkW
Reply to  lb
October 22, 2017 2:18 pm

Somehow the word pumping and being offshore seen to go together.

paqyfelyc
Reply to  lb
October 22, 2017 2:43 pm

megawatts are not energy anyway… a way to say they pump nothing?

October 22, 2017 8:40 am

“If it’s na Scottish, its crap!”

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgzfxs

Hell_Is_Like_Newark
October 22, 2017 8:52 am

Greg Said:

“Anyone with half a brain could adjust the ignition timing or change a plug. Now you need to pay hundreds of dollars to an approved dealer who has had to pay tens of thousands for a suitcase full of electronics and the relevant software and data updates to service the most trivial problem. Yet another chain around our necks. That is not progress in my book. ”

I am old enough to have one of those ‘low tech’ cars you describe. You couldn’t pay me enough to go back to those days. The maintenance was constant, the cars weren’t as well built, and the performance, compared to even today’s economy cars was lacking.

I can remember riding in my Dad’s car (think it was a Pontiac.. late ’70s) and what a big deal it was to have the odometer roll over to a 100k miles. It was a big deal to have a car that made it to 100k without completely falling apart. Today, if even an economy car doesn’t make it to at least 120k+ miles, you got a lemon.

All those electronics you describe have allowed my near 10 year old hatchback to run without ever having breakdown. It, like other cars like it, burns so clean, it is VERY rare that my dense urban area suffers from severe smog conditions. 30+ years ago, you couldn’t even see across to the other side of the Hudson river the smog was so thick on a hot summer day.

My little 1.8L engine produces more power than smaller V-8 and large V-6 engines did when I was a kid. It does it while giving my car, 30+ mpg on the highway. Yet, while weighing far more (due to the improved safety requirements) that a similar sized car back in the late ’70s to early ’80s.

Greg
Reply to  Hell_Is_Like_Newark
October 22, 2017 9:26 am

I’m not against technological advancement, as long as it is not wrapped in a black box which I’m not allowed to open and which ties me to a franchised dealer network.

I individual transport is about freedom of movement and independence. Core American values that some would like to take away.

Now if you do your own oil change a little light will come on once you go past the oil change mileage and you need to pay someone with a box of electronics to turn it off even if you have changed the oil This little orange warning is now a vehicle inspection failure in EU which prevents you from using your vehicle on the road.

This is just the beginning.

jvcstone
Reply to  Greg
October 22, 2017 11:58 am

actually, the owners manual for my 12 year old Toyota explains how to reset that “maintenance needed” light. The process seems to work easiest with 3 hands, but is doable.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Hell_Is_Like_Newark
October 22, 2017 2:17 pm

But this is still one of the sweetest sounds ever heard on Earth:

nc
October 22, 2017 8:53 am

Let’s have a moment of silence for the marine life, whales, birds sacrificed to the greater good. The green gods will smile at the sacrifices made.

October 22, 2017 8:59 am

It appears we already know the answers to the offshore wind power equation – IT IS NOT ECONOMIC!

WORLD’S FIRST OFFSHORE WIND FARM RETIRES: A POST-MORTEM

http://www.thegwpf.com/worlds-first-offshore-wind-farm-retires-a-post-mortem/

Date: 18/10/17

M J Kelly, Department of Engineering, University of Cambridge, United Kingdom

The first-ever offshore wind farm, Vindeby, in Danish waters, is being decommissioned after twenty-five years, DONG Energy has announced.[1] By its nature it was an experiment, and we can now see whether or not is has been a successful alternative to fossil or nuclear-fuelled electricity.

It consisted of eleven turbines, each with a capacity of 0.45 MW, giving a total export capacity for the wind farm of 5 MW. The hub height of each turbine was 37.5 m and blade height 17 m, small by today’s standards. Because of its date of construction, it would have been all but totally reliant on conventional energy for its manufacture and installation. The original stated project cost was £7.16 million in 1991, which is equivalent to approximately £10 million today.[2]

During its lifetime, it delivered 243 GWh to the Danish electricity grid. This means that the actual amount of electricity generated was 22% of that which would have been generated if it had delivered 5 MW all the time for 25 years. In technical terms, it had a load factor of 0.22. From the same source we see the initial expectation was that 3506 houses would be powered annually, with a saving of 7085 tonnes of carbon dioxide per annum.[3] There was no clear indication of Vindeby’s expected lifetime. Since the average household’s annual use of energy in Denmark[4] is 5000 kWh, we can calculate that the windfarm’s anticipated energy output was 438 GWh over its 25-year lifetime. The actual total of 243 GWh was therefore ONLY 55% OF THAT EXPECTATION.

The (annual average) spot price for electricity from both the European Energy Exchange and Nordpool quoted over the period 2006–2014 dropped approximately linearly from €50–55/MWh in 2006 to €32–37/MWh in 2014.[5] If we assume that this trend was constant over 1991–2017, we can see that the average wholesale price paid for the Vindeby electricity was of order of €50/MWh. On this basis the revenue of the windfarm was approximately €12 million: perhaps €15 million at today’s prices. THIS MEANS THAT THE WINDMILL SPENT 75% OF ITS LIFE PAYING OFF THE £10 MILLION COST OF ITS CONSTRUCTION, AND MOST OF THE REST PAYING FOR MAINTENANCE. IN TERMS OF EFFECTIVE ENERGY REVENUE, THE RETURN ON INPUT COST WAS CLOSE TO 1:1. THE INDIVIDUAL PROJECT MAY HAVE BEEN JUST PROFITABLE, BUT THE PROJECT IS INSUFFICIENTLY PRODUCTIVE AS WILL BE SEEN BELOW.

Other windfarms have performed even worse. Lely, an smaller farm sited off the Netherlands coast, was decommissioned last year.[6] It consisted of four turbines of 0.5 MW capacity, and cost £4.4 million in 1992. One nacelle and blades failed in 2014 because of metal fatigue.[7] It produced 3500 MWh per year, implying a load factor of 20%. At the same €50/MWh as above, it would have earned €4.2 million, less than the initial project cost, let alone the additional cost of any maintenance, by any way of reckoning.[8]

The reader should note that the analysis above assumes that the scrap value of the wind turbines will pay for the decommissioning process, and so does not degrade the ratio any further: presumably the bases will remain in the sea. This assumption has been made explicit for the Cowley Ridge wind farm in Alberta, Canada, for which the actual electricity energy delivered into the Canadian grid is not in the public domain, so this similar exercise cannot be repeated.[9]

For a typical fossil-fuel plant, effective energy revenue return on input cost is of the order of 50:1 if one considers the plant alone and about 15:1 when one includes the cost of the fuel. For a nuclear plant the ratio is more like 70:1, and the fuel is a negligible part of the overall cost. The energy generation and distribution sector makes up approximately 9% of the whole world economy, suggesting that the global energy sector has an energy return ratio of 11:1.[10] It is this high average ratio, buoyed by much higher ratios in certain areas (e.g.15:1 in Europe), that allows our present world economy to function.

THE LESSON LEARNED FROM THE CONSIDERATIONS DISCUSSED ABOVE IS THAT WIND FARMS LIKE THESE EARLY EXAMPLES COULD NOT POWER A MODERN ECONOMY UNLESS ASSISTED BY SUBSTANTIAL FOSSIL-FUELLED ENERGY.

Interestingly, DONG Energy, which built Vindeby, is proposing the much newer and bigger Hornsea Project One in the North Sea. This wind farm will have 174 turbines, each with a hub height of 113 m, 75 m blades and a nameplate capacity of 7 MW. It is due to be commissioned in 2020.[11] The project capacity is 1218 MW, and it has a current cost estimate of €3.36 billion. No clear statement of expected lifetime has been provided, but DONG has stated that 862,655 homes will be powered annually. Assuming the average per-household electricity use in the UK[12] to be 4000 kWh, this implies a constant generation of 394 MW over the year, which is 32% of capacity, which is probably realistic.

The agreed wholesale price of the Hornsea energy over the next twenty-five years is £140/MWh. Even assuming a very generous load factor of 50%, Hornsea’s lifetime revenue would be about £20 billion, suggesting a ratio of revenue to cost of 6:1 (reduced further by any maintenance costs), still barely half the average value that prevails in the global economy, which is more than 85% fossil-fuel based.

The secret of the fossil fuel success in the world economy is the high calorific value of the fuel. A ton of coal costing £42.50 produces of the order of 2000 kWh of electricity in a new coal-fired power plants (up 30% from older plants). This sells for £400 wholesale, with an energy return on energy invested (EROEI) of 10:1. A therm of natural gas costs £0.40, and produces 30 kWh of electricity, which sells for £6, representing an EROEI of 15:1. Fuel-less technologies do not have this advantage.

The disappointing results from Vindeby, and the likely results from Hornsea and similar projects must be seen in the context of the increasing wealth of a growing world population. If all the world’s 10.3 billion people alive in 2055 were to lead a European (as opposed to American) style of life, we would need 2.5 times the primary energy as used today. If, say, half of the energy is suddenly produced with an energy return on investment of 5.5:1 (i.e. half the present world average), then for the same investment we would get only 75% of the energy and we would need to cut energy consumption: the first 10% reduction could come by curtailing higher education, international air travel, the internet, advanced medicine and high culture. We could invest proportionately more of our economy in energy production than we do now, but that will still mean a step backward against the trend of the last 200 years of reducing the proportion of the total economy taken by the energy sector.[13] To avoid this undesirable scenario we would need new forms of energy to match the fossil/nuclear fuel performance.

IN THIS CONTEXT IT IS USEFUL TO REMEMBER THAT GLOBAL ECONOMIC GROWTH IS VERY SENSITIVE TO THE COST OF ENERGY. THE ENERGY COST SPIKES IN THE MID-1970S AND IN 2010 FORM THE BOUNDARIES BETWEEN THE 5% GROWTH RATE OF THE GLOBAL ECONOMY FROM 1950–1975, THE 3% FROM 1980–2008, AND THE 2.5% SINCE 2012. THERE IS A LOT AT STAKE IN THE CHOICE BETWEEN CHEAP FOSSIL FUELS AND EXPENSIVE RENEWABLES.

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
October 22, 2017 9:33 am

The above analysis by M J Kelly of Cambridge University gives the Vindeby offshore wind farm every economic benefit and STILL it is highly uneconomic.

For example, Kelly prices the electricity generated by Vindeby at the average power price for the grid, but wind power is unreliable and non-dispatchable and therefore should be valued much lower than the reliable, dispatchable power typically available from conventional electric power sources.

Furthermore, it is clear that the new Hywind project, even if it is allegedly somewhat less costly-per-unit than previous offshore wind farms like Vindeby, cannot possibly overcome the huge economic disadvantages that were demonstrated by the Vindeby project.

The Hywind project appears to be simply another vain attempt to p!ss more good Scottish money into the wind – decidedly UN-Scottish conduct for the usually sensible and parsimonious Scots.

Yours aye, Allan MacRae of the Clan MacRae

Post Script:

The MacRae castle is located in the cold and windy west coast and can be cold and drafty, We would appreciate MUCH LOWER ENERGY COSTS to keep us and our neighbours warms. 🙂

Here is a picture of the old place:
http://sites.psu.edu/gaylepassion/wp-content/uploads/sites/18298/2015/03/1408622223_531388_5.jpg

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
October 22, 2017 9:35 am

Here is a video that features Eilean Donan Castle – Enjoy!

paqyfelyc
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
October 22, 2017 2:33 pm

so nice picture (and previous post)
wouldn’t you improve the view with some wind turbine on the roof? (/sarc)

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
October 24, 2017 3:52 pm

I’m sure the idea is that the ENglish will pay the ROC subsidies….

ralfellis
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
October 22, 2017 12:27 pm

Aye, but it is highly profitable for the Danes, Germans and Nordics, who make all the hardware. Did you not see them all smiling in the video above? They were smiling at all that Scottish tax money being transferred to them. Just call it Danegeld, and be glad they don’t invade……

Ralph

Reply to  ralfellis
October 22, 2017 1:20 pm

Ralph – re Viking invasions and the Danegeld – it’s been tried, but auld Scots were a tad too stubborn, and far too cheap to put up with such nonsense.

We threw the Norsemen out of Scotland for all time in 1263 at the Battle of Largs. Seems like just yesterday – how time flies!.

The Vikings settled in:
• Islands off the coast of Scotland – Shetland, Orkney and The Hebrides.
• Around the north and north west coast of Scotland.
• Parts of Ireland – Dublin is a Viking city.
• The Isle of Man.
• Small parts of Wales.
• Northumbria (which included modern Yorkshire)
• East Anglia.

The Clan MacRae and our allies partied with the Vikings, led by King Haakon IV of Norway, on the beach at the Battle of Largs in 1263 – apparently we were poor hosts because they never called back again. 🙂

paqyfelyc
Reply to  ralfellis
October 22, 2017 2:34 pm

there is a reason this is made by state company statoil. They are losing money, too.

ralfellis
Reply to  ralfellis
October 22, 2017 3:22 pm

The Vikings also settled in Edinburgh. The Sinclairs of Roslyn were also Vikings. And legend says they discovered North America long before Columbus, the evidence being the maize plants carved in Roslyn chapel. The Vikings got everywhere, including Moscow, Scicily and Constantinople.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_I_Sinclair,_Earl_of_Orkney

(Actually, Columbus never discovered North America. It was dicovered by Amerigo Vespucci.)

R

MarkW
Reply to  ralfellis
October 22, 2017 6:52 pm

A Norse settlement has been found in Newfoundland.

October 22, 2017 10:55 am

Floating offshore pinwheels — hilarious. Wonder what the payback period (w/o subsidies) is — 50 yrs? It’ll sink long before that.

paqyfelyc
Reply to  beng135
October 22, 2017 2:36 pm

negative payback. Not sure it even cover maintenance cost, so maybe the sooner it sinks, the less money they lose

Reply to  paqyfelyc
October 23, 2017 6:29 am

+100 I think you’re right.

Harry Passfield
October 22, 2017 11:52 am

What got me riled up was this: “The concept of a floating turbine was conceived in 2001, a single prototype being made in 2009, and funding for the project was provided in 2015.”

When one considers the dambusters project – from concept being accepted to bomb-drop was six weeks. Mind you, if an enemy wanted to deprive us of (cough) generating capability all they would need to do is fire missiles at some damn great fans in the sea. (Which would take a lot more to protect than a land-based generator)

paqyfelyc
Reply to  Harry Passfield
October 22, 2017 2:38 pm

no missile required. a simple saw will do, to cut cable

ralfellis
October 22, 2017 12:11 pm

Wee Cranky promised that renewable projects would power the economy of Scotland, bringing employment, wealth and balance of trade. And here is just that kind of project – a new technology that puts Scotland in the forefront of renewable energy.

Except that it is all made in Norway, Denmark, Germany and Spain…… Oooops.

Ralph

Nigel S
Reply to  ralfellis
October 23, 2017 6:19 am

And paid for by the English!

Moderately Cross of East Anglia
October 22, 2017 12:35 pm

CORRECTION AND APOLOGY – in my earlier description of the power cable section being run from North Sea wind farms I realize I gave a misleading description. The aluminum cores in the cables I saw are of course round and about 2 inches in diameter. There are three in the cable, each held in a pie shaped section of the cable; it was each triangular section that I had pictured in my mind when I inaccurately described the appearance of the cable. Sorry.

[I think the apology portion of this is unnecessary, but the sentiment is appreciated. -mod]

paqyfelyc
October 22, 2017 2:29 pm

9$/W. (2B NOK as per statoil own confession https://www.statoil.com/en/news/hywindscotland.html , for a mere 30MW)
A normal powerplant (fossil or nuclear) is in the 1500 MW range, and will provide 2x to 4x more kWh for the same power. Meaning you’ll need 100~200 as much such windfarm just to make the equivalent raw energy (but NOT when you need…), for ~27~55 Billion dollar !
To put thing into perspective Olkiluoto 3 project is considered an utter cost faillure because of its cost ~10 B$. Also, a CC gas plant cost 0.6$/W
https://www.eia.gov/electricity/generatorcosts/
but of course you have to add fuel cost, doubling the cost.
Which makes hywind “only” 6x more expensive than gas or a completely failed nuclear project.
And Hywind is supposed to be a huge success and step forward.
Says it all about wind energy.

see also ALLAN MACRAE October 22, 2017 at 8:59 am
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/10/22/new-floating-offshore-wind-turbines/#comment-2643276 which deserves to be elevated into full article

October 22, 2017 3:13 pm

I am looking forward to the next big storm from the North Atlantic to rid us of these noxious floating hazards unless it is beaten to it by some trawler cutting the cables.

Nigel S
Reply to  ntesdorf
October 23, 2017 6:15 am

Or one of these chaps who seem to have some navigation issues.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/errors-caused-nuclear-submarine-hms-1119977