Guest essay by Eric Worrall
As Hurricane Harvey survivors struggle with the aftermath, the cleanup, with power outages and portable generators, reporters far away in comfortable offices in New York think they have a solution to their problems; a new carbon tax.
We Don’t Deny Harvey, So Why Deny Climate Change?
Nicholas Kristof SEPT. 2, 2017
Imagine that after the 9/11 attacks, the conversation had been limited to the tragedy in Lower Manhattan, the heroism of rescuers and the high heels of the visiting first lady — without addressing the risks of future terrorism.
That’s how we have viewed Hurricane Harvey in Houston, as a gripping human drama but without adequate discussion of how climate change increases risks of such cataclysms. We can’t have an intelligent conversation about Harvey without also discussing climate change.
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Remember also that we in the rich world are the lucky ones. We lose homes to climate change, but in much of the world families lose something far more precious: their babies. Climate change increases risks of war, instability, disease and hunger in vulnerable parts of the globe, and I was seared while reporting in Madagascar about children starving apparently as a consequence of climate change.
An obvious first step is to embrace the Paris climate accord. A second step would be to put a price on carbon, perhaps through a carbon tax to pay for tax cuts or disaster relief.
We also must adapt to a new normal — and that’s something Democratic and Republican politicians alike are afraid to do. We keep building in vulnerable coastal areas and on flood plains, pretty much daring Mother Nature to whack us.
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A week and a half ago, Republicans and Democrats traveled to see the solar eclipse and gazed upward at the appointed hour, because they believed scientific predictions about what would unfold. Why can’t we all similarly respect scientists’ predictions about our cooking of our only planet?
Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/02/opinion/sunday/hurricane-harvey-climate-change.html
I once had to power my home for a week from a portable generator, thanks to outages caused by a major tropical storm. A portable generator is an expensive way to produce power, but its better than letting the food spoil.
The last thing people in that situation need is higher fuel bills.
Instead of trying to regulate the earth’s climate by taxing the bejesus out of people, if you must insist on a tax for some purpose, how about using it to relocate housing from vulnerable flood plains (one of these areas reportedly has flooded 3 times in the past 5 years or so – stupidity to keep returning and rebuilding there) or raising the height of houses above flood levels if possible, building flood mitigation dams etc. The more houses are plonked on top of the ground, the more of the ground is paved with impervious streets of bitumen and concrete, the more water runs off, the more flooding there is . When I look around at some of the enormous flood plains in my region, I wonder at the size of the regular rainfalls that must have happened in the not so distant past to create them. And people have built all over them, paved them etc., councils have approved housing development all over them, no doubt happy to rake in the rates income from them.
I often wonder how much of flooded areas are so-called “reclaimed” land and the sea/river/ or whatever body of water is just reclaiming that “reclaimed”?
Wasn’t there some federal regulation about taking flooding and climate change into consideration before building stuff? which got repealed just a few days back?
what is for sure that the flooding in Houston was predicted – like in this piece from June:
https://cleantechnica.com/2017/06/19/houston-will-experience-increasingly-catastrophic-flooding-coming-decades-will-residents-industry-respond/
cleantechnica again, Skanky?
You never give up, do you?
When are you going to apologise publicly to Dr. Crockford for maliciously libelling her?
Perhaps you’d like to comment on the substance of that article -that Houston was known to be at risk from extreme weather events?
Or you can keep on with the personal attacks… and I have nothing to apologise for.
Houston was vulnerable, like New Orleans, because so much of its area has subsided in recent decades, due to aquifer drawdown. Also, much more of the metro area has been paved over.
The flooding has nothing whatsoever to do with “climate change”.
Poor griff, he still wants to pretend that global warming is happening.
Houston has always been at risk from extreme weather. This hasn’t increased in recent decades.
“and I have nothing to apologise for.”
Proven slander not a problem to you then, you unpleasant little creature?
I have a better idea, instead of a carbon tax which will hurt the poor, how about a wealth tax on all residences priced over $1,000,000. It could be a yearly tax set at 5% of the properties value.
People who buy more expensive homes ALREADY pay higher property taxes by virtue of the fact that their houses are valued more highly. Property tax is a wealth tax, which is what you are proposing.
Let’s say there are 2 houses in a fictional town named Centreville. If the mill rate is 2% and one house is worth $100,000, then the property taxes are $2,000. If the other house is worth $1,000,000, then the property taxes are $20,000. See how that works?
I find it fascinating how so many people assume that the solution to any problem is to take even more money from those who have more than they do.
Greed isn’t pretty, even when you do it through government.
Worrall you are an idiot
That is a very profound statement, David the D*ckhead.
The media haemorrhages with 50 poor lives lost in Texas, but ignores 1700 lives lost in the sub continent.
I know who the idiots are.
Many people left the rust-belt and moved to Texas for jobs. Houses had to be built someplace to accommodate the influx of people looking for work?
Something similar happened in Australia. The Gillard Labor Govn’t during the Brisbane floods a few years ago raised the, nationwide, Medicare levy 0.5%. It was supposed to be temporary, it’s still there. So yes, taxing people is the way to resolve natural disasters.
“Climate change increases risks of war, instability, disease and hunger…”
It actually reduces the risk of hunger by increasing agricultural productivity. That in turn reduces the risk of the other three items. What does increase hunger (via higher global food prices) is the corn ethanol program.
It would seem that Nicholas Kristof needs a padded cell in which to create his fantasies.
Mr. Kristof adjures;
“Remember also that we in the rich world are the lucky ones.”
Taxing “carbon” inexorably raises the price of food in general. That means millions who can barely keep themselves and their families fed now, will slip below survival levels . . Not so many in the rich world, one hopes, but the poor in the poor world? The ones this man is asking me not to forget about? I didn’t forget them . .
The rich aren’t lucky. They are rich because they worked hard.
Being born into a rich family happens, Mark . . and being born into extreme poverty.
No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Taxing carbon dioxide is like taxing oxygen is like taxing life …
Why not tax political idiocy? It would generate a endless amount of money …
http://joannenova.com.au/2017/09/bom-scandal-one-second-records-in-australia-how-noise-creates-history-and-a-warming-trend/
“Flooding Not Increasing In North America And Europe, New Study Confirms ”
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/08/31/flooding-not-increasing-in-north-america-and-europe-new-study-confirms/
I thought deforestation on a massive scale along with not very effective government was the problem in Madagascar and haven’t seen anything that explains how “climate change” has been responsible for the choice to raise money by chopping trees down. Clearly this extraordinary effect of climate change on human behaviour needs urgent investigation with massive research funds at Kooky Headcase Unversity, which no doubt the NYT will support. But then the NYT reporter has been to Madagascar and knows better.
Except that the number of hurricanes and strong hurricanes have been decreasing since 1985 and 1990 respectively. But I don’t expect they will let the truth get in the way of their new religion…
http://policlimate.com/tropical/global_major_freq.png
The major problem with Harvey was not the weather or climate, it was uncontrolled building on flood plains. Most of those suburbs were not there 50 years ago, and shound never have been allowed. Or if there was pressure to build, most of the properties should have been low-rise flats (four or five story). Modern flats like this (in Europe) are delightful places to live, with all conveniences and transport links close by.
But no, everyone in America wants their 1/4 acre plot complete with wooden shack, and so the city limits spread uncontrollably (and everyone needs a car to get around, because the city is so big). There is no point blaming the weather (or climate) if the real problem lies at the steps of city hall and their (corrrupt) planning department.
Ralph
Aren’t those called no go zones in Europe?……..
No, they are the Banlieus – the immigrant ghettos that surround Paris and Brussels. The other suburbs are filled with delightful 21st century flat complexes that are a delight to live in and convenient for transport and services. And all car parking is in the underground car parks. Nice places to live.
R
God forbid people should have the type of housing they want, rather than the housing others think is appropriate for them.
You mean people WANT to be flooded out of house and home?? A strange American tradition, obviously.
Elsewhere, in the logical world, the authorities will say ‘don’t live there, it floods’. Or they will demand all houses to be built on stilts. Or they will demand that only flats are built. Or they will demand a huge flood barrier around the entire city.
But they would not allow uncontrolled construction on a flood plain. That would be stupiididy.
R
“A week and a half ago, Republicans and Democrats traveled to see the solar eclipse and gazed upward at the appointed hour, because they believed scientific predictions about what would unfold. Why can’t we all similarly respect scientists’ predictions about our cooking of our only planet?”
Why should we? They can’t predict where a hurricane will make landfall yet. They can’t predict the weather accurately all the time. Sometimes it changes within even a 6-12 hour period. And Nature’s yearly emissions of CO2 far outweigh ours. Not to mention none of their predictions have come true so far. They’ve been 100% wrong.
“An obvious first step is to embrace the Paris climate accord. A second step would be to put a price on carbon, perhaps through a carbon tax to pay for tax cuts or disaster relief.”
Sure, they’ll use it for disaster relief. When something freezes over….
They always make it sound appealing, don’t they?
Astounding how one NYT article can display the whole spectrum of erroneous and catastrophic thinking on so many big issues:
1. “imagine that after the 9/11 attacks, the conversation had been limited (..)without addressing the risks of future terrorism.”
And what did invading Afghanistan & Iraq in the name of battling global terror exactly accomplish? Not wanting to get into politics too much but perhaps there’s a link to “global” operations to save the planet from doom, causing more mess than imagined?
1. “We can’t have an intelligent conversation about Harvey without also discussing climate change.”
– Preemptively labeling any discussion not accepting straight away a core but rather complex premise, as being “unintelligent” is not, eh, very intelligent either!
3. “in much of the world families lose something far more precious: their babies”.
– Variation on the scream: “Think about the children!!”. Appear to emotion as some kind of argument?
4. “Climate change increases risks of war, instability, disease and hunger in vulnerable parts of the globe”
– In much of the world *any* sudden change in food prices, water level or weather pattern destabilizes because of — lets see: general mismanagement of land and means, misgovernment, overpopulation, destruction of natural protections, propping up wrong governments with foreign support, weapon flows and so on and so on. Lets look at the whole picture here!
5. “We keep building in vulnerable coastal areas and on flood plains, pretty much daring Mother Nature to whack us.”
So it’s not “climate change” then which puts these flood plain populations at risk but economical pressure? Make up your mind! What is the main cause, who is the enemy?
6. “Why can’t we all similarly respect scientists’ predictions about our cooking of our only planet? ”
Because climate science ≢ astrophysics in any way or sense. It’s more like ecology, extremely multidisciplinary & model based. The solar system has its models and computer programs but includes way more solid observational confirmations as far as the basic mechanism goes. Big difference for anyone with some scientific understanding (≢ NYT).
Climate change undoubtedly contributed to the intensity of the storm/rainfall during Harvey.
Houston has long been predicted as liable to suffer in extreme weather events due to warming.
You can’t discuss Harvey without acknowledging the climate elephant in the room
Griff writes,
“Climate change undoubtedly contributed to the intensity of the storm/rainfall during Harvey.”
PROVE IT!
Meanwhile explain how a mere Tropical Storm Claudette in 1979 dumping more rain in just 24 hours,more than Harvey did in any 24 hour period.
“Tropical Storm Claudette – 43″ of rain in Alvin in 24 hours”
That was in 1979..
Griff writes,
“Houston has long been predicted as liable to suffer in extreme weather events due to warming.”
Houston from day one has always suffered from flooding,it is IN the BAYOU region of the state.
Significant Houston Area Floods
http://www.wxresearch.com/almanac/houflood.html
Griff writes this absurd howler,
“You can’t discuss Harvey without acknowledging the climate elephant in the room”
It was a WEATHER event!
Your entire post have ZERO evidence presented in it, you are horrible at this.
Was the “elephant in the room” named Michael Mann? He was wrong on all counts.
https://junkscience.com/2017/08/bastardi-no-michael-mann-climate-change-did-not-cause-hurricane-harvey/
Yes, the “headline” is unfortunate (Mann “et al” have always been careful to imply something without leaving a quote behind to confirm their implication.) but the rest of what Joe Bastadi said ripped Mann a new Ozone Hole.
When it comes to Real(everyday)Climate, Mann is clueless.
As always, Griff assumes what can’t be proven.
Is there any evidence that the Gulf was warmer than normal this year?
The charts that I have seen show that it wasn’t.
BTW, how much extra energy is 0.001C supposed to add to hurricane?
Harvey’s rainfall rate was between 3.75″ and 4″ per hour. This is not even close to a record. Just Googling “hurricane harvey rainfall rate per hour” showed that Hurricane Ike in 2008 was at 4″ per hour, and Tropical Storm Allison (no date given) varied between 4″ and 6″ per hour
what made Harvey extreme is that it stalled over Houston and dumped that rate for days. If it had moved off like most hurricanes, the flooding wouldn’t have been nearly as bad.
Invading Afghanistan and Iraq killed terrorists by the thousands. It also forced them to concentrate on those areas rather than the rest of the world.
The resumption of terrorism in the rest of the world didn’t occur until we bugged out of there.
There were 2 proposals in the NYT article:
1. embrace the Paris accord
2. introduce carbon tax .
No 2 has been discussed in the comments above , but surely it is the first proposal that is the more destructive because embracing the Paris accord.commits the US to sending 10s of billions of dollars to
sometimes unaccountable destinations, at a time when billions are required to heip the very people , American taxpayers , who are expected to provide these vast sums .
Surely Trump can help both his own standing and the well being of the Americans most vulnerable to extreme weather events by saying to the NYT that if climate change is indeed responsible for events such as happened at Texas then it is even more necessary not to embrace Paris , because by withdrawing from Paris he can ensure US money goes to the US residents who desperately need it.
… and the polls predicted the victory of Hillary Clinton, just as well as they predict Climate Change
“…and I was seared while reporting in Madagascar about children starving apparently as a consequence of climate change.”
Nicholas Kristof, Madagascar’s children are dying because of the corruption in the UN. They are not dying as a result of hunger but because of otherwise avoidable or curable diseases that are devastating the family and social structure. Malaria is the major killer and has ben so for millennia. There’s no climate change in that. However malaria can be eliminated by the use of DDT, a cheap and highly effective insecticide which the UN had banned on the false premise that birds were laying eggs with thinner shells.
Instead of providing these poor suffering people with DDT the UN are telling mothers to cover their children’s cots with mosquito nets when they don’t even have a cot.
Hypocrisy knows no bounds.
DDT is not banned for fighting malaria and DDT is used in some locations against malarial mosquitos.
and there is absolute evidence that birds were laying thinner eggs: DDT devastated the UK bird of prey population. That’s why DDT is banned from agricultural use -but not for fighting malaria
Griff, your DDT claims are so wrong,it is hilarious.
The egg shell thinning claims have since been shown to be misleading, since they were happening LONG before DDT was in use. Not only that many bird populations actually increased,some massively since the use of DDT.
It is BANNED totally in America and many parts of the world.
From your precious overrated Guardian is this article,
” Banned pesticide backed for malaria control
World Health Organisation urges DDT’s reintroduction
Environmentalists warn of long-term cancer concerns
DDT, a pesticide banned in the developed world, should be used to spray houses in all countries where people suffer from malaria, the World Health Organisation said yesterday, 30 years after it phased the practice out.
The new push to use DDT to kill the malaria-transmitting mosquito in Africa and other parts of the world with severe death tolls from the disease will dismay many environmentalists. They fear the polluting effects of the chemical will spread, although the WHO says spraying should be limited to the insides of houses and their roofs. Arata Kochi, the new head of the WHO’s malaria programme, has made no secret of his determination to bring back the chemical weapon that helped rid Europe and the former USSR of malaria decades ago. “We must take a position based on the science and the data,” he said in Washington.
“One of the best tools we have against malaria is indoor residual house spraying. Of the dozen insecticides WHO has approved as safe for house spraying, the most effective is DDT.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/sep/16/unitednations
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I hate Environmentalists who worry about a small cancer possibility, over saving MILLIONS of people lives from nearly certain death from Malaria.
Meanwhile here is a starting point to show that Carson was very wrong in a number of her claims:
The Truth About DDT and Silent Spring
http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/the-truth-about-ddt-and-silent-spring
How come you are so bad at this? you really 12 years old?
By the way Griff, i read the book Silent Spring while I was Middle school in the early 1970’s,came away unimpressed,because so many of her claims were based on hearsay and anecdotes. There was very little real published science in it.
The Eggshell thinning was one of her big failures, since it was even THEN known to exist many years before DDT came along. Meanwhile a lot of published science research disproved her claims
From Junk Science:
100 Things You Should Know About DDT
by J. Gordon Edwards and Steven Milloy
July 26, 1999, JunkScience.com
“VI. EGG-SHELL THINNING. DDT was alleged to have thinned bird egg shells.
39. Many experiments on caged-birds demonstrate that DDT and its metabolites (DDD and DDE) do not cause serious egg shell thinning, even at levels many hundreds of times greater than wild birds would ever accumulate. [Cecil, HC et al. 1971. Poultry Science 50: 656-659 (No effects of DDT or DDE, if adequate calcium is in diet); Chang, ES & ELR Stokstad. 1975. Poultry Science 54: 3-10 1975. (No effects of DDT on shells); Edwards, JG. 1971. Chem Eng News p. 6 & 59 (August 16, 1971) (Summary of egg shell- thinning and refutations presented revealing all data); Hazeltine, WE. 1974. Statement and affidavit, EPA Hearings on Tussock Moth Control, Portland Oregon, p. 9 (January 14, 1974); Jeffries, DJ. 1969. J Wildlife Management 32: 441-456 (Shells 7 percent thicker after two years on DDT diet); Robson, WA et al. 1976. Poultry Science 55:2222- 2227; Scott, ML et al. 1975. Poultry Science 54: 350-368 (Egg production, hatchability and shell quality depend on calcium, and are not effected by DDT and its metabolites); Spears, G & P. Waibel. 1972. Minn. Science 28(3):4-5; Tucker, RK & HA Haegele. 1970. Bull Environ Contam. Toxicol 5:191-194 (Neither egg weight nor shell thickness affected by 300 parts per million DDT in daily diet);Edwards, JG. 1973. Statement and affidavit, U.S. Senate Committee on Agriculture, 24 pages, October 24, 1973; Poult Sci 1979 Nov;58(6):1432-49 (“There was no correlation between concentrations of pesticides and egg shell thinning.”)]
40. Experiments associating DDT with egg shell thinning involve doses much higher than would ever be encountered in the wild. [J Toxicol Environ Health 1977 Nov;3(4):699-704 (50 ppm for 6 months); Arch Environ Contam Toxicol 1978;7(3):359-67 (“acute” doses); Acta Pharmacol Toxicol (Copenh) 1982 Feb;50(2):121-9 (40 mg/kg/day for 45 days); Fed Proc 1977 May;36(6):1888-93 (“In well-controlled experiments using white leghorn chickens and Japanese quail, dietary PCBs, DDT and related compounds produced no detrimental effects on eggshell quality. … no detrimental effects on eggshell quality, egg production or hatchability were found with … DDT up to 100 ppm)]
41. Laboratory egg shell thinning required massive doses of DDE far in excess of anything expected in nature, and massive laboratory doses produce much less thinning than is seen in many of the thin-shelled eggs collected in the wild. [Hazeltine, WE. 1974. Statement and affidavit, EPA Hearings on Tussock Moth Control, Portland Oregon, p. 9 (January 14, 1974)]
42. Years of carefully controlled feeding experiments involving levels of DDT as high as present in most wild birds resulted in no tremors, mortality, thinning of egg shells nor reproductive interference. [Scott, ML et al. 1975. Poultry Science 54: 350-368 (Egg production, hatch ability and shell quality depend on calcium, and are not effected by DDT and its
metabolites)]
43. Egg shell thinning is not correlated with pesticide residues. [Krantz WC. 1970 (No correlation between shell-thinning and pesticide residues in eggs) Pesticide Monitoring J 4(3): 136-141; Postupalsky, S. 1971. Canadian Wildlife Service manuscript, April 8, 1971 (No correlation between shell-thinning and DDE in eggs of bald eagles and cormorants); Anon. 1970. Oregon State University Health Sciences Conference, Annual report, p. 94. (Lowest DDT residues associated with thinnest shells in Cooper’s hawk, sharp-shinned hawk and goshawk); Claus G and K Bolander. 1977. Ecological Sanity, David McKay Co., N.Y., p. 461. (Feeding thyreprotein causes hens to lay lighter eggs, with heavier, thicker shells)]<
44. Among brown pelican egg shells examined there was no correlation between DDT residue and shell thickness. [Switzer, B. 1972. Consolidated EPA hearings, Transcript pp. 8212-8336; and Hazeltine, WE. 1972. Why pelican eggshells are thin. Nature 239: 410-412]
45. Egg shells of red-tailed hawks were reported to be six percent thicker during years of heavy DDT usage than just before DDT use began. Golden eagle egg shells were 5 percent thicker than those produced before DDT use. [Hickey, JJ and DW Anderson. 1968. Science 162: 271-273]
There were causes known that crack biologist Carson manage not to consider:
46. To the extent egg shell thinning occurred, many other substances and conditions could have been responsible.
47. Oil has been associated with egg shell thinning. [Anon. National Wildlife Federation, Conservation News, pp. 6-10, October 15 1979. (Embryonic mortality from oil on feathers of adults birds) ; Hartung, R. 1965. J Wildlife Management 29:872-874 (Oil on eggs reduces hatch ability by 68 percent); Libby, EE. 1978. Fish, wildlife and oil. Ecolibrium 2(4):7-10; King,
KA et al. 1979 Bull Environ Contam Tox 23:800-805 (Oil a probably cause of pelican mortality for six weeks after spill);Albers, PH. 1977. Fate and Effects of Petroleum Hydrocarbons in Marine Ecosystems, Pergamon Press, N.Y. (Chapters 15 & 16; Dieter, MP. 1977. Interagency Energy-Environment Research and Development Program Report, pp. 35-42 (5 microliters of oil on fertile egg kills 76 to 98 percent of embryos within; birds ingesting oil produce 70 percent to 100 percent less eggs than normal; offspring failed to develop normal flight feathers); Szaro, RC. 1977. Proc 42nd N Amer Wildlife Nat Resources Conference, pp. 375-376]
48. Lead has been associated with egg shell thinning. [Bellrose, RC. 1959. Ill Nat Hist Survey Bull 27:235-288 (Lead poisoning in wildlife)]
49. Mercury has been associated with egg shell thinning. [D’Itri, FM & PB Trost. 1970. International Conference on Mercury Contamination, Ann Arbor, September 30, 1070; Scott, JL et al. 1975. Effects of PCBs, DDT and mercury upon egg production, hatch ability and shell quality. Poultry Sci 54:3350-368; Stoewssand, GS et al.. 1971. Shell- thinning in quail fed mercuric
chloride. Science 173:1030-1031; Tucker, RK. 1971. Utah Science June 1971:47-49 (Effects of many chemicals on shell thickness).; Tucker, RK & HA Haegle. 1970. Bull Environ Contamin Toxicol 5:191-194]
50. Stress from noise, fear or excitement and disease are associated with egg shell thinning. [Scott, HM et al.. 1944. (Physiological stress thins shells) Poultry Science 23:446-453; Draper, MH & PE Lake. 1967. Effects of stress and defensive responses. In Environmental Control in Poultry Production, Oliver and Boyd, London; Reid, BL. 1971. (Effects of stress on laying birds) Farm Technology, Fall 1971; Sykes, AH. 1955 (Adrenaline excess inhibits shell formation) Poultry Science 34: 622-628]
51. Older birds produce thinner shells. [Sunde, ML. 1971 (Older birds produce thinner shells) Farm Technology, Fall 1971]
52. Normal egg shells become 5 percent thinner as developing embryos withdraw calcium for bone development. [Romanoff, AL and AJ Romanoff. 1967. Biochemistry of the Avian Embryo, Wiley & Sons, N.Y.; Simkiss, K. 1967. (Shells thinned by embryo development within) In Calcium in Reproductive Physiology, Reinhold, NY, pp 198-213]
53. Larger birds tend to produce thicker-shelled eggs. [Asmundson, VS et al. 1943. (Relations between the parts of birds’ eggs) Auk 60:34-44]
54. Dehydration is associated with thinner egg shells. [Tucker, RK and HA Haegle. 1970. (30 percent thinner shells formed after quail were kept from water for 36 hours) Bull Environ Contam Toxicol 5(3): 191-194]
55. Temperature extremes are associated with thinner egg shells. [Romanoff, AL and AJ Romanoff, 1949. The Avian Egg, Wiley & Sons]
56. Decreased illumination is associated with thinner egg shells. [Peakall, DB. 1970. (Shells not thinned even after illumination was abruptly reduced from 16 hours daily to 8 hours daily and high DDT dosage begun simultaneously) Science 168:592-594; Day, EJ. 1971. (Importance of even illumination on laying birds) Farm Technology, Fall 1971;Houser, EJ. 1962. Pacific
Poultryman, August 1962; Morris, TR et al. 1964. (The most critical area of light duration is that between 16 hours and 8 hours daily) British Poultry Science 5: 133-147; Ward, P. 1972 (Physiological importance of photo period in bird experiments) Ibis 114: 275]
57. Human and predator intrusion is associated with thinner egg shells. [Beatty, RG. 1973. The DDT Myth, John Day Co., N.Y. 201 pages; Anon. 1971. Hawk Chalk 10(3):47-57; Cade, TJ. 1960. Ecology of the peregrine and gyrfalcon populations in Alaska. Univ Calif Publ Zool 63(3): 151-290]
58. Simple restraint interferes with the transport of calcium throughout the body of birds, preventing adequate calcium from reaching the shell gland and forming
good shells. [Sykes, AH. 1955. Poultry Science 34:622-628]
59. Uncovering eggs after parent birds are removed or frightened off exposes eggs to potentially fatal chilling, especially in northern or high altitude locations. [Cade, TJ. 1960. Ecology of the peregrine and gyrfalcon populations in Alaska. Uni Calif Publ Zool 63(3):151-290]
60. Phosphorus deficiency is associated with thinner shells. [Crowley, TA et al. 1963. Poultry Science 54: 350-368]
61. Calcium deficiency is associated with thinner shells.[Greely, F.. 196 (Effects of calcium deficiency) J Wildlife Management 70:149-153; Romanoff, AL and AJ Romanoff. 1949. The Avian Egg, Wiley & Sons; Scott, ML. 1975. Poultry Science 54:350-368; Taylor, TG. 1970. How and eggshell is formed. Scientific American 222:89-95; Tucker, RK and HA Tucker. 1970. Bull Environ Contamin Toxicol 5(3):1191-194]"
https://junkscience.com/1999/07/100-things-you-should-know-about-ddt/#ref6
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Her bird mortality rates claims wasn't even shown to be connected to DDT use at all,she failed to demonstrate a clear connection between the two. The very birds she claims were being killed off actually INCREASED in population,some tremendously:
"It can be seen that far from declining, the number of birds encountered by each observer nearly quadrupled over the period in question. In the case of the robin, singled out by Carson as “the tragic symbol of the fate of the birds,”[40] the population count increased twelvefold."
and,
"Many other studies show the same pattern of sharp increase of some bird populations during the DDT years. For example, a bird sanctuary that has been counting birds over Hawk Mountain, Pennsylvania since the 1930s reported an increase in sightings of ospreys from less than 200 in 1945 to over 600 by 1970, and an increase in sightings of migrating raptors from 9,291 in 1946 to 29,765 in 1968.[41] The herring gull population on Tern Island, Massachusetts grew from 2,000 pairs in 1940 to 35,000 pairs in 1970 (at which point the Audubon Society displayed its concern for the birds’ wellbeing by poisoning 30,000 of them, a procedure it said was “kind of like weeding a garden”).[42]"
http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/the-truth-about-ddt-and-silent-spring
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Rachel Carson is a poor scientist.
You are a lousy researcher.
I knew this stuff over 20 years ago!
Stop wasting your time and effort on Griff. Griff is a koolaidaholic, never stops swallowing it.
Tommy, good posts.
But that’s not the first time Griff has been corrected on DDT, albeit perhaps not so comprehensively.
But they won’t make any difference, give him a month or two, he’ll be posting the same lies from the same playbook, he’s got his script from whoever pays him, that’s what he posts from.
Researching topics for himself isn’t part of his modus operandum.
Is “everybody” except me unable to look at the big picture and the difference between what you can prove and what you can make up and never prove ( because the spec is too loose) – religion for profit, where those who deny an unprovable belief with hard science, and the actual science denying measures enacted for profit in its name, are labelled heretical “science deniers”?
There is no hard evidence that CO2 is the cause of any real climate change. JUst a controlled and over simplified experiment in a jar, unsupported and effectively unprovable in the atmosphere. Science fact, I suggest. Lots of paid statistical so called science showing correlkation between temperature and CO2. So what? Oceans emit CO2 as they warm, a natural effect. No cause and effect that the reverse happens can be shown by staistical models.
There is better evidence that plants are MORE than capable of keepig CO2 at an optimum level for life by dynamic response, in relative absorption and abundance, as they have for 1 Billion years.
There is clear evidence from ice cores that CO2 is a consequence of ocean temperature change, not a cause, No physical experiments have replicated the actusl hypothetical conditions in the Troposhere/Stratosphere, or how the low heat contect atmosphere then heats the 1,000 times more heat capacity oceans that actually control the climate – not the low heat capacity, short term, noisy weather producing atmosphere.
Taxing something you pay people to prove is a problem with the pseudo science of partial statistical models with agendas to support a religious belief, w/o physical deterministic physics to support it, is simply religion paying scholars to produce texts on whatever delusional belief you want the hard of thought masses to believe.
Climate science as practised is no better than a cargo cult pseudo science. With hindsight, Feynman would have done well to explain that statistical models, and the pseudo sciences that use them, like sociology and economics that prove correlation but not causation, are good representatives of his elegantly defined cargo cult science, that “don’t prove any laws”. Or, “If you build it, they won’t come” (of the airfild) – probably.
Is it not time for honest scientists to point out this emperor has no clothes, and is basically propaganda used to support a massive fraud on the public with wholly regressive measures that mostly make human CO2 emissions worse, won’t chnge the climate at all, and waste money o pointless religious sacrifices we could better use to avoid the real effects of climate change better. e.g. stop building on flood plains, Stop subsidise ing renewable enrgy that can’t deliver in hard science fact and build more gas and nuclear generation to replace coal. Also more sustainable, lower use of land and material resources, less harmful t the enviroment, safer, and cheapest of all, etc. But that’s only the science facts of energy, not the religious beliefs of the NYT and its technically illiterate journalists and congregation/readership. No facts or d physical science are harmed in NYT articles like this. Probably.
Dumbest sentence ever written:
Regarding taxes, the Federal government already collects nearly $300 billion per year in tax revenue from Texans.
Rank/ State/ Gross collections (in thousands)/Revenue per capita (est.)/ Ratio to GSP
1/ California/ $405,851,295/ $10,408/ 16.6%
2/ Texas/ $279,904,425/ $10,204/ 17.1%
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_tax_revenue_by_state
So far, President Trump has requested about $15 billion. They can easily find $15 billion in a $2 trillion “budget.” They can start by zeroing out worthless crap like this:
https://www.gao.gov/mobile/key_issues/climate_change_funding_management/issue_summary
Even if the cost of Harvey rivaled Katrina ~$120 billion), that would only amount to about 5 months worth of what Texans *alreadly* send to Mordor-on-the-Potomac.
“We Don’t Deny Harvey, So Why Deny Climate Change” is a supreme example of circular reasoning. “We don’t deny x so why deny y” could be used for anything.
In fact, I’ll use it: we don’t deny gravity so why deny space aliens? Wow! I like it!
What would Kristoff’s story have been about these floods?
“Extreme Weather Extreme Claims”
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/science-papers/originals/extreme-weather-extreme-claims
“1889 Johnstown, Pennsylvania was destroyed by a massive flood. The South Fork Dam across a tributary of the Little Conemaugh River collapsed under pressure from the rain-swollen Lake Conemaugh. Water slammed into Johnstown, Pa., 55 miles southeast of Pittsburgh and killed 2,209 people in a flood and related fire.
The Great Dayton Flood of 1913 flooded Dayton, Ohio, and the surrounding area with water from the Great Miami River, causing the greatest natural disaster in Ohio history. Within three days, 8-11 inches of rain fell throughout the Great Miami River watershed on frozen ground, resulting in more than 90% runoff that caused the river and its tributaries to overflow. The existing series of levees failed, and downtown Dayton experienced flooding up to 20 feet (6.1 m) deep.
The Mississippi Flood of 1927 – There was a major flood along the Mississippi that killed 247 people and displaced thousands. The levee system broke in 145 places and caused 27,000 square miles of flooding in Arkansas, Illinois, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi and Tennessee.
The Ohio River flood of 1937 occurred in late January and February 1937, causing damage along the Ohio River and several smaller tributaries from Pittsburgh, Illinois to Cairo, Illinois. This flood left close to 1 million people homeless, 385 dead, and $50,000,000 worth of damage.”
What if everyone had driven to see the eclipse, and there hadn’t been one? That’s where climate science is right now.