I have struggled to think of appropriate commentary on this, but feel I can’t say anything that is not potentially insulting to some Catholics or is overtly political, so I’ll let the story speak for itself.~ctm
Vatican archbishop: All should accept that global warming is a fact
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ROME, Italy, July 19, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) – The head of the Vatican’s Pontifical Academy of Sciences has again inferred that denial of the controversial concept of manmade climate change equates to flat earth mentality.
“From the scientific point of view, the sentence that the earth is warmed by human activity is as true as the sentence: The earth is round!” said Archbishop Marcelo Sánchez Sorondo.
The archbishop has been a consistent and zealous promoter of manmade climate change as a non-negotiable Church issue, despite the status of care for the environment as a prudential matter.
Climate change ideology continues to be contested as a ploy perpetrated with manipulated data by the left to enact environmental regulations and taxes.
Even so, Archbishop Sorondo dismissed deniers of climate change in a recent Vatican Radio interview as “a small, negligible minority.”
The interview conducted in German contained the headline: “Vatican: ‘Climate change is a fact,’” and centered on reception of Pope Francis’ eco-encyclical Laudato Si’ two years after its release.
Archbishop Sorondo went on in the interview to say that human-affected climate change was considered science. He added that the pope not only has the right but also the duty to rely on science in addition to doctrine and philosophy in seeking out truth.
If the pope expresses himself on such a subject, then this was not arbitrary, he said, as the pope’s words are not restricted to the area of ”doctrine of faith and morals.”
The pope makes use of the truths of science or philosophy to not only explain to man how to get to heaven, said the archbishop, but also what he must do on earth.
All human activities have to do with ethics, the Argentinean archbishop said, so they are already within the jurisdiction of the pope.
Archbishop Sorondo is a close adviser to Pope Francis and the Chancellor of both the Pontifical Academy of Sciences and the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences. He has repeatedly welcomed pro-abortion and population control advocates to the Vatican for conferences under the pretext of the climate issue.
Last month, just before President Donald Trump announced the U.S. would pull out of the controversial Paris Climate Agreement, the archbishop likened climate ideology skeptics to flat-earthers as well.
Withdrawal from the Paris accord “would not only be a disaster but completely unscientific,” he said.
“Saying that we need to rely on coal and oil is like saying that the earth is not round,” Archbishop Sorondo stated. “It is an absurdity dictated by the need to make money.”
He has also repeatedly made the claim that those who don’t subscribe to the manmade climate change theory are in some way subsidized by the oil industry. He did so again in the Vatican Radio interview.
“Of course, some sectors that depend on the oil lobby — including some Catholic institutions! — do not agree with Laudato Si’,’” the archbishop stated. “And with this they are causing serious damage, because the climate is deteriorating — even the opponents of climate change will be among their victims, in the short or long term.”
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Was once a Catholic, not by choice but by birth. While there are good attributes to the faith I have zero interest in the lying, molesting, leftist ways of the church today. Zero.
The big problem is that those words are repeated in every Catholic church around the world. Thus millions of people accept Climate Change as true as they accept other postulates imposed by religions. They become manageable little sheep at will.
Not in my local Catholic Church and I am certain not in most as the BS coming out of these Vatican bureaucrats is not dogma. Also, all politics are local and what is said by any priest can gain or lose him local support and most know that or learn it quickly from the collection basket.
Anyone throwing stones at the Church and popes, in general, needs to recall that John Paul II, along with Ronald Reagan, was one of the key causes of the fall of the “evil empire”. He well understood the evil of strongman socialism/communism as well as unfettered/crony capitalism/fascism. Without appropriate rules enforced any system can become abusive to its citizens. Though in practical, historical terms one must admit that communism has the most consistent and extreme record of abuse. Freedom, historically, is most difficult to hold on to for any length of time.
In the unlikely event Lisa Bourne transformed Marcelo’s kind words into stones, Laudato Si (mis?)quotes John Paul II to promote environmental misanthropy. See at least article 5.
http://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/encyclicals/documents/papa-francesco_20150524_enciclica-laudato-si.html
Guarding against abuse of our environment hardly equates to using unscientific consensus science to control peoples lives to their actual financial and physical detrement. Laudato si is a violent twisting of the concept of of having a conservative use of our environment and not being wasteful. Not at all what J2P2 was referencing. My interpretation, of course.
Are we permitted to believe in AGW but to assess that it is likely to be net-beneficial?
Leave out the A. It has been getting warmer for about 20, 000 years and, yes, it is and has been beneficial.
As with Galileo, the Church does much better withe tenets of faith than science.
This Pope and his associates will make a permanent black mark on the church. Their greed and desire for more money through PC avenues is deplorable.
Oil companies are some of the biggest beneficiaries of renewables huge profits. Check out who sits on the board of the AWEA. There is BIG money in wind and solar—somehow the church is okay with renewables getting rich and rich and rich, but not oil companies? Seriously, that is horrible morality. At least oil companies produce a useful product. The same cannot be said for renewables. This, to me, reflects the willingness of the Catholic Church to sell itself to the highest bidder.
Oh, and round earth and climate change believers are not the same. One is physically, visually verifiable. The other an hypothesis yet to be fully proven. Of course, when you are looking for cash, who cares about science?
Why is the Catholic Church coming out in support of an opposing religion?(The Church of Perpetual Global Warming)
It would be liker the Aga Khan coming out in support of Christianity, or the Dali Lama coming out in support of Islam.
“Even so, Archbishop Sorondo dismissed deniers of climate change in a recent Vatican Radio interview as “a small, negligible minority.”
The effort and money spent by these people in order to defeat that “small, negligible minority”…
According to election results, the Marxist-Leninist Party of Canada is a fringe party, a very, very small party with little following. It does not make the front page news ever and certainly not every day with other political parties positioning themselves in relation to it. Simply said, it is never talked about.
That’s what happens Your Excellency to a “small, negligible minority”.
Climate realism on another hand…
Dear moderator,
I’m a Catholic and I am convinced that a comment by you would not have been insulting in any way. It is this false pope who is insulting the Church I belong to.
Only last week Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI (the real Pope) declared that the Catholic Chirch is on the verge of a total collapse.
Reply:
Does it coincide with the end of the world? Excellent timing. Based partly on an expert input by Professor Naomi Oreskes of Harvard.
“Is the Pope Catholic?” used to be a rhetorical question. NOW there is some serious doubt about the answer.
It is interesting how many times posts like these devolve into religion bashing, plus the use of logical fallacies the skeptics have fits about when used against them. There are skeptics who believe in things that are not mainstream science. When the believers of warming attack the skeptic for these beliefs, someone shouts “strawman” or “irrelevant”, but when the Catholic Church comes up, every strawman out there is allowed and not called out. Bringing up the pedophil disaster in the church has nothing to do with climate change. No more than if a skeptic was an anti-vaxxer. Yet for some reason, this behavior is given a pass. So skeptics are allowed to use strawman arguments and bash religion to “prove” the Catholic Church is wrong in its AGW beliefs, but let a warmist believer to do that and BAM! You’re all over them for the logical fallacies. If we are going to allow strawman arguments, everyone gets to use them, not just the skeptics.
What?
Well said!
So, according to Pope’s view “we must do”:
– No more kids, No more cars, No more meat, No more flying (Italy will Thanks, do that it pay all the Pope’s travels)?
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/07/18/no-kids-no-cars-no-meat-no-flying/
Follow the money. There has to be a gigantic monetary/power incentive involved here.
And that’s all I got to say about that…
Doesn’t understand the basic theology
Just to keep this in perspective… How many years did it take before the Vatican ‘officially’ recognized that Galileo was right?
It was nearly 360 years before the Church officially apologized to GG in 1992. But it had officially recognized the reality of geocentrism in the 19th century.
The way I see it and consider it, when it comes to science versus religion, in many respects, even when not the same thing, still there is many parallels to draw,
What scientific method is to science, so is faith to the religion. Lack of both in the respective matters defaults and brink to question the orthodoxy of the status quo propagated and uphold by the respective authoritarian institutions……..
So from my point of view, where I will not shy but say that I consider my self to be more “versed” in religion than “science”, regardless of the others preferences, or mine also……….this archbishop in question and his statements, mean that he has already gone rogue and “ronin”……
While for many other social structures and structures of power that may not be a problem, such a position taken by an archbishop is a contradiction and a paradox to the religion and faith…..
By his taken position, he is trying to save the catholic church, The Vatican, by somehow declaring and contemplating that his Lord is dead……..And in this case his Lord happens to be the Pope himself, not God, as this guy has loyalty and servitude to the Vatican only, and not to the God directly, as it is shown by the luck of his faith………
At this point as I see it the guy never served or had alliance or servitude or loyalty to the Real Vatican or the Seat of The Holy Sea………but in contrary to the “deep state vatican”…..that may serve anything but not God……..
His is putting himself beyond and above the power of whom he supposes to serve with loyalty as his master , the very Pope himself and the Seat of The Holly Sea…..
An archbishop that has no problem to side with a “scientific” orthodox authority propagating against scientific method is an archbishop that with no problem will side with any religious orthodox authority position propagating against faith………even when this may in the end lead to destructive paradoxes…..
In the end of the day this guy is undermining and challenging the actual Pope’s position and power, and from where I stand the actual Pope still have not given up on his position, power and responsibility, as far as I can tell…… very much trying to “execute” it at the best possible…….hopefully, for the sake of Vatican.
This guy should be clearly told that the Pope still lives…..and very much in charge… hopefully…:)
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I fully support the right of the unelected, marginally educated and religiously biased church to teach us about science just as I assume they fully support my right to teach religion, though I am not religious, known very little about it and may have some hidden biases, such as an affectionate warmth toward my son’s favorite church – that of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. The fact that my religious understanding is more along the lines of Monty Python surely can’t make me less qualified in this realm than the Church in teaching about climate science.
Ya, hey Pope, remember that issue the Church had with Copernicus and Galileo ?
…and it is also very evident that Aristotle was right that the sun goes around the Earth./sarc
Just more Appeal to Authority.
Depending on the scale used, the Earth is not round and is not an oblate spheroid. At ground level it is fractal in nature. Only at a distance does the Earth approach roundness/spheroidicity.
Or perhaps Marcelo has found someone believing earth to be triangle or rectangle, but obviously not these guys
From the scientific point of view, the sentence that the earth is warmed by human activity is as true as the sentence: mountains are not the same as molehills.
At the risk of getting thrown in charle’s dog house again, i’ll give the conspiracy theory take on all this. (sorry charlie, i should know that any comment on race is going to be a mine field) Legend has it that Pope Francis, “Petrus Romanus” (or “Peter the Roman”), is the final pope before the inexorable return of Christ. And the Vatican well knows this. So climate change for Rome is just a ruse to keep the masses calm as wormwood approaches. All the earth changes attributed to climate change are in reality changes associated with the dark star. The goal is to keep the people in the dark for as long as possible while governments secretly enact their continuation of government plans. (and those plans don’t include the masses; that is, you and me) So that’s why they are milking this climate change thing for all it’s worth. Gotta keep everyone distracted while they make off with the gold…
Humanity might be contributing to planet warming/delayed cooling (water vapor has increased 8% since 1960) but CO2 has no significant effect on climate.
Finally, AGW is right where it belongs…part of the Catholic (or any other religious) Canon.
Can we all get back to performing science now?
This fellow must know what he is talking about when it comes to science because he has a Ph.D. in sacred theology.
The convergence of two great religions