Standing up to the G-7 Climate Bully! Part Deux: The Bully Backs Down

Guest post by David Middleton

This is a sequel to: Standing up to the G-7 Climate Bully!

In our last episode President Trump had just punched the G-7 Climate Bully in the nose.  When she tried to rally the rest of the G-7 to gang up on Mr. Trump, Canada, the UK and Japan said, “Thanks, but no thanks,” and the G-7 Climate Bully folded like a lawn chair…

Germany ‘massively weakened’ draft G20 climate plan to appease Trump

Published on 29/06/2017, 5:41pm

Latest draft of German plan for next week’s Hamburg meeting contains major concessions to US and opens door for coal projects to be defined as “clean”

By Arthur Neslen in Brussels

Germany’s G20 presidency dramatically weakened a climate action plan, gutting it of ambitious language and defining gas, and potentially even some coal power, as “clean technologies”, in an attempt to appeal to US president Donald Trump.

The action plan was intended to be agreed at next week’s Hamburg G20 summit. Climate Home has seen two versions, drafted in March and May of this year. The latter shows the degree to which the German presidency has bent to the will of the Trump White House.

Several elements that have been removed in the May draft are:

  • A 2025 deadline for the end of fossil fuel subsidies
  • References to the risk of “stranded assets”
  • A call for “the alignment of public expenditure and infrastructure planning with the goals of the Paris Agreement”
  • A push for carbon pricing
  • A commitment to publish mid-century decarbonisation blueprints by next year
  • A pledge to develop a “profound” climate plan for multilateral development banks
  • Seven references to the UN’s 2018 review of nationally-determined contributions
  • 11 references to the 2050 mid-century pathway for net zero emission
  • 16 mentions of infrastructure decarbonisation

“The US massively weakened the language in the energy part of the action plan,” one source with knowledge of the negotiations said. “It pushed for references to so-called ‘clean’ fossil fuels and made it less explicit that the energy transition has to be built on energy efficiency and renewables.”

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Henning Nielsen

Great news, thanks! Amazing how they have folded. Now wait for the howls of despair from the green lobby.

MarkW

Maxine Waters is now saying that Trump should be impeached and exiled because of his mean tweets.

Kpar

Such a font of wisdom and perspicacity is our Maxine!

Henning Nielsen

Exiled where, to Canada?

MarkW

Bermuda?

Henning wrote:
“Exiled where, to Canada?”
I will personally sponsor him as a landed immigrant – maybe we can find him a job too – Prime Minister?

drednicolson

I’m pretty sure “being mean” does not count as a high crime or misdemeanor.

markl

She has consistently done nothing for her constituency, pushes a race platform, and been a source of embarrassment.

Maxine Waters is now saying that Trump should be impeached and exiled because of his mean tweets.

Maxine Waters doesn’t know the difference between Crimea and Korea. With enemies like her, who needs friends?

Joel Snider

‘Maxine Waters is now saying that Trump should be impeached and exiled because of his mean tweets.’
You’d almost think Maxine – or practically anyone on the Progressive Left – had NEVER said anything remotely insulting, inflammatory, bullying, prejudicial, or hate-based – instead of twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week, through all available outlets.
The hypocrisy is absolute and without fail.
But it is proof of how real bullies can’t take getting hit.

Andrew

Exiled? So she believes that people whose value system is fundamentally different to and incompatible with US values should not be allowed to reside in the US? Interesting theory – I wonder if there are any other applications of it?

Hoyt Clagwell

+1 Andrew!

Louis

What a mean thing to say, Maxine!

george e. smith

If I was her, I would be worrying about getting held accountable for my own criminal acts, rather than pointing my finger at someone else.
Not that I am endorsing, that particular tinkle message from the President; but I do think he should sling the CNN faked NEWS mud right back in their lying faces.
They have hardly mentioned any legislative actions of the President, while they still harp on about a non event, that is simply made up phantasy; The President was correct in calling it a hoax. Better than ANY April First caper. And continuing to belch that smoke, simply begs the question of the previous President of the United States, on whose watch the non event is alleged to have occurred or not; yet he didn’t lift a finger to address, what leaker Maxine tries to lay at the new White house door step.
That baby is yours Maxine.
G

Kaiser Derden

bet she thinks its spelled xiled … racist and ignorant is not way to go thru life you fool …

UK Sceptic

In the UK we have our own version of Maxine. She’s called Diane Abbott and her grasp on facts is so full of holes it would put a sive to shame.

Jeff Alberts

“I’m pretty sure “being mean” does not count as a high crime or misdemeanor.”
No, but it does count as being an idiotic teenager. Why doesn’t he just stop? It’s embarrassing.

George E Smith: “They have hardly mentioned any legislative actions of the President”

That’s because there aren’t any.

PS, the president doesn’t “legislate”

Jeff Alberts: “Why doesn’t he just stop?”

Patience Jeff, it’s going to take a while before Melania’s program to stop cyber-bullying to kicks in. It’s pretty clear who her first target is going to be.

ironargonaut

Jeff, bet you know what Trump said but not what he was replying to. Why don’t the media just stop? Clinton called Paula Jones trailer park trash, yet no uproar in mainstream media. At least Trump says it himself instead getting others to do it for him. I think this is hilarious republicans elect a president who acts like all the democrats before him and the media and the dems go bonkers.

J Mac

ArchAngela Merkel: ” I am their Leader….. Which way did they go?”

george e. smith

What the heck are fossil fuel subsidies ??
The US Treasury is THE largest beneficiary of the fossil fuel industries. They are way ahead in collecting the profits of those enterprises, before the shareholders or bond holders.
The Treasury doesn’t pay a dime of subsidies to fossil fuel companies.
G

george e. smith

I am sure that the fossil fuel industrial companies, would be most happy to be allowed to expense ALL of their COSTS, in the tax period in which those costs are incurred; rather than having to depreciate a deteriorating asset over some totally unknown supposed life span.
Those business costs are incurred in today’s dollars; who wouldn’t rather recoup those losses in today’s dollars, instead of some future inflated dollar.
G

David A

Exactly George. A tax write off is not a subsidy.

A tax write-off is what all businesses have…a deduction, the cost of doing business is written off. Of course Maxine is void of all business concepts as she lives off the taxpayer dime.

Henry Galt

We must kick them while they are down – they wouldn’t hesitate to do it to ‘us’.
We must NEVER forget who the bullies really are in this instance.

Jeff Alberts

Wonderful playground attitude, Henry.

Doug in Calgary

Jeff, if someone punches you in the nose do you just stand there and let them punch you again?

Of course not Doug, you pull out your AR-15 and you empty the magazine into them.

Jeff Alberts

Again, Doug, playground analogies don’t really work well for adults. Unless you’re Trump, I suppose.
To answer your question, i’d fight back, and have the guy arrested. But you’re talking about a physical attack, not just namecalling. So, bad analogy.

ironargonaut

Jeff, I’m sorry to tell you this but there is not much difference between politics and the playground, especially international politics. Think about it. I learned on the play ground that if you don’t stand up to the bullies words it just gets worse and then they think they can get physical. Some people are friendly and you can be friendly and expect to be treated in kind; others you have to let know you are also willing to treat them in kind.

Duncan

…”contains major concessions to US”….
I thought China and the EU was forging an alliance to take a leading role in tackling climate change. What happened? Are they running out of money already?

Steamboat McGoo

Um … I think China & the EU were both planning on spending ours (US). The best-laid plans …

Stan Vinson

Exactly. Socialists love to spend other peoples money.

Non Nomen

It won’t do to just dilute the planning, if the thinking and the weird ideas remain the same. The ignorants will try a re-run to re-establish their kinky thinky.

Catcracking

Agree,
Don’t see any reason to agree with any of the NONSENSE.

John Peter

Hoping that President Trump will see it as his mission to put Merkel back into the box. What about how many tanks have you got? Answer 250 ready. I have got 8000. That settles it. Find you place and keep quiet.
If I were Trump, I would meet up with heads of all German heavy industries and car manufacturers and invite them to move to USA to enjoy cheap and reliable energy as they are forced to move out of Germany because of rocketing energy prices mixed with energy outages as coal and nuclear power stations are shut down.

Mark from the Midwest

M-Benz is putting more production capacity in the U.S., the S.C. plant is well-on in its construction, The biggest problem is that most of the M-B production process is built around a highly-skilled German apprenticeship model, but Trump is already addressing that too.

SC has had a network of technical/vocational schools since the ’60s that addresses the needs of industry for skilled (and high tech) labor. It has been a major (and successful) factor in SC’s marketing the state to industry.

marty

@ John Peters: German automakers are already producing in US and other locations in order to avoid costs for transport and taxes.

Griff

but the German economy has been consistently growing even as it rolled out more renewables…
and Germany has the world’s most reliable grid. It doesn’t have outages – even on the days when 85% of its electricity came from renewables.

oeman50

It doesn’t have outages because it is interconnected with France’s nukes and Poland’s coal plants. And their neighbors get pissed off when they over generate when the wind is blowing, spilling over into their grids and destabilizing them.

MarkW

Griff, Griff, Griff. I know that this has been explained to you many times. But on the off chance that this time it will stick.
It’s not when wind is producing that it is a problem. It’s when it stops producing suddenly that the problems occur.

Kaiser Derden

no way no how has Germany ever gotten 85% of its electricity from renewables for even a single 24 hour day … pure BS

markl

+1

Anything which weakens the psychotic Continent-destroying EU gets my vote.

They already manufacture in the USA, but more is better. Any country that would attack Stalingrad during WWII would shut down the best energy source yet – nuclear.

michael hart

British politicians could learn a thing or two from their German counterparts.
The Germans may erect lots of obscenely subsidized windfarms, close nuclear power stations, and beat their breasts loudly about carbon dioxide and global warming, but they still go ahead and find a way to build more brown-coal-fired power stations. Someone should should whisper in the UK politicans’ ears that “You’re not actually supposed to BELIEVE all that global warming end of the world twaddle.”

Griff

Germany has now built its last new coal plant
https://energytransition.org/2016/10/germanys-last-new-coal-plant/
and has 6GW plus of coal plant scheduled for close, perhaps sooner than planned
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-30/more-german-coal-plants-face-early-retirement-as-profit-dwindles

Griff,
Germany still has a lot of capacity in coal and other “conventional” sources. Coal and browncoal capacity is large enough to provide all electricity in Germany all year, even in winter. The same for “nameplate” capacity of wind and solar combined. The problem with the latter is that the nameplate capacity is only delivered a small part of the time: in reality average around 15% (solar), 25% (wind on land) and 35% (wind on sea).
That is a profound problem with intermittent renewables: they deliver when you don’t need it and they don’t when you need them. For “conventional” plants a 10% backup and a 10% connection with the neighbours in general is sufficient to prevent blackouts during maintenance of a plant and/or an unscheduled shutdown of one large plant. In the case of intermittent renewables you always need 100% backup, even if the renewables suppress their output (and profit) with average 20-35% per year…
The costs of the backup are never attributed to these renewables, which always have priority on the net and not the slightest obligation to regulate the network. That cost is completely on the “conventional” plants, which therefore often work at a loss…

MarkW

In Griff’s world, if renewables produce 30% of Germany’s power for one minute, once a year, that qualifies as producing 30% of Germany’s electric power.

David A

Ferdinand, Griff hss been told this a dozen times. Willfully Griff is thick as a brick.

Don’t believe everything you read. Countries have been know to change their minds very quickly when the pressure is on.

Sun Spot

Precisely, you got it in one Michael.

Sun Spot
commieBob

Yep. Apparently they hate nuclear more than they hate coal. link If I go this right, they are building more NEW coal than there is all solar plus all wind. (where all=new+existing)

Griff

They burned a little more when the gas price was high and after they shut down half their nukes overnight in 2011 – but they finished their building programme and are now starting to shut down coal plant…

commieBob

Griff June 30, 2017 at 9:43 am
… are now starting to shut down coal plant…

It’s not obvious from these graphs which are up to date.

markl

What is always absent from any of these graphs/charts is how much of the renewable energy generated was actually used. It’s because they don’t know.

They must have the additional brown-coal-fired power stations to be able to pay subsidies for their ever-growing number of subsidized wind farms. Contrary to what appears to have become “conventional wisdom” beliefs on the part of some, the ECB nor any other central bank actually has a magic hole in the air from which they can magically conjure on-demand magic money which can be used to subsidize non-viable “renewable” energy production.
Real money is generated by real economic endeavors who must be powered by sources of real, self-supporting energy. That’s fossil fuels, nuclear and hydro.
And fortunately for all of us, it is the sun is the primary control knob for the climate of the planet which may make good politics for the silly politicians but which does nothing to validate making carbon the “key” to our future climate. CO2 doesn’t even have as much control effect as the typical vernier knob.

The Sun being the driver of climate is the only sure thing out there. Of course the far-left loons will figure out a way of saying humans are affecting the Sun…and some of the mental midgets will believe it.

richard

One industry that should be feeling the effects of climate change-
Grains piled on runways, parking lots, fields amid global glut | Reuters
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-grains-storage-analysis-idUSKBN17D0EO
11 Apr 2017 – World stockpiles of corn and wheat are at record highs. From Iowa to China, years of bumper crops and low prices have overwhelmed storage capacity for …. 2014 2015 2016 2017 0.0 0.2 0.4 0.6 0.8 1.0 1.2 1.4 billion bushels.

Keitho

Conan is quite correct, of course.

Old England

Germany needs to redefine coal as ‘clean’ given the increasing reliance it has to place on coal after closures of nuclear and the unreliability of renewables.

Griff

It doesn’t and won’t….
Over 32% of German electricity from renewables in 2016 and they have set several records this year…
This spring half the 8 remaining reactors were offline at once for various reasons, no impact on supply…
There’s a list of coal plants slated for closure, the latest auctions for new renewables were oversubscribed…

marty

The German government has already reduced the building of new wind and solar plants. Subsidies have been significantly reduced. This is to reduce the rise in energy prices

Griff

No, it changed the way that they are funded from FITs to auctions and temporarily cut back on solar and onshore wind in favour of offshore wind, until the new north/south grid upgrade comes online.
It still has its 80% renewable electricity in 2050 target: it expects to meet its 35% in 2020 target (perhaps early: its at 32% now)

Dave Fair

And then Germany’s electric prices will only be 10 times the U.S.’s, Griffie, with massively increased energy poverty. All you are talking about is the fact that if one throws enough money at something physical, one might be able to achieve stupidity squared.

Griff

But Dave check out German bills and household consumption versus the US. German households have lower bills as they use less electricity…
and note UK bills have gone down in comparison to 2008 when we passed the climate act

MarkW

Electricity costs a lot, so they use less.
According to Griff, this is something to be proud of.
Next he’ll tell us that widespread starvation is proof that there are no problems in agriculture.

MarkW

David, if most American’s lived as far north as the average German, we’d use a lot less AC as well.

Patrick MJD

“David Middleton June 30, 2017 at 11:46 am”
Don’t know how old the data is in the graph for Australia, but from July 1st energy costs just got ~20% dearer. Before this we had morons Turnbull (Who re-activated a carbon tax July 1st 2016) and more recently Finkle talking of energy security/supply, cheaper energy costs plus more renewables and reduced emissions.

Sun Spot

. . . and Germany certainly doesn’t want the be reliant on Russian Gas !!

Griff

You guys have seen Merkel’s statements in advance of the G20, yes?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40441143
“German Chancellor Angela Merkel has said this year’s G20 summit will focus on furthering the aims of the Paris climate deal – putting her on a direct collision course with the US president.
Mrs Merkel said she knew the topic may be difficult following Donald Trump’s decision to pull the US out the accord.
However, she said, tackling climate change remained a priority for Europe.
She was backed by other European leaders who said they would speak with “one voice” in Hamburg.”

Felflames

That, from my many decades of decoding political speak, translates into “We are screwed, but can’t let anyone see that, or we loose the little credibility we had left.”

feliksch

The Griff-bot obviously doesn’t know the difference between “reden” (to talk) and (aus)sagen (to make a meaningful statement). When Merkel talks, she doesn’t mean what she says, but wants to put the listener to sleep, so that he doesn’t ask any questions. She has taken so many political U-turns that the (now) late Chancellor Kohl remarked, that she must have lost her compass”.
Griff, who seems to be quite young and poor in general knowledge, didn’t even notice the contradiction of this and the beginning of this article.

Resourceguy

It’s not enough. Reject it again. Save science process as an agenda item and defend science policy fact checkers.

Resourceguy
drh

Watching the MSM this morning and the news coverage is all tweets all the time instead of the massive shift in energy policy. This is not the first time, nor do I think it is the last that Trump plays the MSM with the ol’ switcheroo.

G20 to the USA:
“Ok, Ok, we’ll call it ‘Global Cooling’ and ‘Climate Stasis’, anything.
Just don’t stop sending us MONEY.”

Curious George

Did Trump make actual steps to get out of Paris Agreement, or is it all talk so far?

drednicolson

He doesn’t have to. Treaties must be approved by the Senate. Without that, it’s just an Obama pinky-swear that Trump has no obligation to honor.

Curious George

It is not a treaty and Obama’s signature was enough.

OweninGA

The US can not be bound by non treaties. Keep dreaming. If we simply ignore it as it was not ratified, it has no impact in US law. However, there is some question about whether the former president had the authority to actually send that money from the US treasury to the UN. Be interesting if someone pursued criminal charges.

sean2829

You are mis interpreting this. The Paris climate agreement was weak to begin with. These concessions make it completely pointless in all but one regard, get everyone on board. This is nothing more than the global government structure camel sticking its nose back in the tent.

Javert Chip

sean2829
Get everyone onboard about what?
When “everyone” fully understands THERE REALLY IS NO MONEY, “Paris” will return to being a tourist haven and place where US climate scientists & the Tour de France end up.
But seriously, does anybody heard of a single US climate scientists planning to accepted Macron’s 1M euro offer?

J Mac

It’s time we get out of environmentally unfriendly dirty solar and bird chopper wind power renewables.
(Using the same Rules For Radicals rhetoric as our opposition…..
“Pick the target. Freeze it. Personalize it. Polarize it.”)

All Trump has to do is order Zinke to fine the wind and solar projects the same value per bird as charged to fossil fuel “accidents”. Game set match! Now for putting a value on those bats.

J Mac

CO2 Sequestration Is A Crime Against Nature!

Hivemind

Not Carbon sequestration, OXYGEN sequestration – there’s twice as much oxygen in a CO2 molecule, as carbon.

J Mac

David Middleton and Hivemind,
I agree with both of your comments. The point I’m trying to illustrate is to use the lefts rhetoric and Rules For Radical techniques to refute their perspective that CO2 is ‘pollution’. Leftists are emotionally oriented and motivated. They respond to emotional appeals far more than they do to ‘data’ arguments.

William Astley

There must be some type of Voodoo spell that is removing people’s ability to think independently, concerning anything related to CAGW/AGW.
Oh, I forgot, if anyone speaks the truth, they are deniers.
Ignoring the fact that the entire (100%, every issue), scientific basic of the IPCC report, is incorrect, the Paris Accord is a super duper, stinking bad deal for the US and the EU.
http://notrickszone.com/2017/06/11/trump-correct-to-reject-founder-of-german-environmental-movement-calls-paris-accord-a-bad-deal/#sthash.LVZeTk2H.dpbs

We can be happy that the American President Trump has seen this anachronism, and what on earth moved his predecessor (William: And all of the other developing country sheep politicians, to sign such) a disadvantageous agreement?

In 2030 Europeans would have to lower their emissions to 4 tonnes per capita, while China’s would be allowed to rise to 14 tonnes per capita and the USA would have to fall to 10 tonnes per capita. One has to ask, who signed, cheered and celebrated such an agreement and welcome it with tears of joy?
Vahrenholt describes an agreement that is totally in favor of China, a country that plans to construct 368 coal power plants by 2020 while India plans to build 370. In his view the Paris Accord is a free ride for China.

Overall the Paris Accord will hardly have any effect on total emissions, but will result in the loss of hundreds of thousands of jobs, in addition to doubling/tripling of electrical prices.

Javert Chip

WA
I doubt any Paris PooH-Bah really gives a crap about lowering anything; there is (or was) an incredible amount of enthusiasm for spending USA money.
Undoubtedly, the enthusiasm is still there, but the money isn’t.

SAMURAI

It’s been 21 years since a statistically significant global warming trend has been observed, and with the AMO 30-yr cool cycle starting in about 1~2 years, and near zero sunspot activity for the next 50~100 years starting in about 1~2 years, there is a very high probability global temp trends could start show a flat to falling global temp trends from mid-1996 in about 3~4 years, at which point the CAGW hypothesis must be declared officially dead.
A number of pro-CAGW “scientists” (aka rent seekers) and Leftist political hacks have to know what’s coming…
Just as the Russia/Trump/Bigfoot ho@x is imploding due a complete lack of evidence, so too, the CAGW sc@m is quickly becoming an embarrassment to the Left, though few will few publicly admit this.
Trump’s trashing the Paris “Accord” was a brilliant move. It’s going to be so delightful when Leftists around the globe will finally have to admit Trump was rightful along in espousing CAGW was a complete ho@x… well…to be honest, the Left will eventually say it was all one big “misunderstanding”….yeah, right…

Goldrider

“Embarassment to the Left?” You CAN’T embarrass them. Believe me, I’ve TRIED! 🙂

Kevin Schurig

Yeah, you can’t embarrass those who have no shame.

Joey

Trump is like Toto….pulling back the curtain…….“Pay No Attention to that Man Behind the Curtain!”

TonyN

Bullies? “At your feet, or at your throat….” as they used to say

Bruce Cobb

Uh-oh, spaghettios; Now, according to Christiana Figueres, the price tag for “climate action” has to be 1.3 $trillion by 2020. That’s on top of investing more in “clean” energy and doing away with fossil fuels, especially coal. Geez, now where on earth are they going to get all that money? Especially since Uncle Sam/Daddy Warbucks is now saying, “you’re on your own now, sweetikins”.

otsar

Zimbabawe?

Javert Chip

otsar
Conveniently, I believe the Zimbabwe dollar has a 1.3 trillion note.
Or they will by this time next week.

Patrick MJD

“Javert Chip June 30, 2017 at 7:35 pm”
Maybe, but I have a 10 billion note.

OweninGA

As she has already admitted the whole scheme is about wealth redistribution – the president should tell her to get lost.

The USA should simply have nothing to do with these watermelons – just act as if they do not exist. They are destroying their own economies and killing their elderly and their poor with high energy prices.
Reprise from April 2017 and June 2015:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/04/18/white-house-cancels-meeting-on-considering-paris-climate-accord-action/#comment-2479880
To Donald, Ivanka, Jared and Rex:
Donald was correct – time to dump the Paris Climate nonsense!
_________________
COLE’S NOTES for all the TRUMPs and Rex Tillerson – from 2015:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/06/13/presentation-of-evidence-suggesting-temperature-drives-atmospheric-co2-more-than-co2-drives-temperature/
Observations and Conclusions:
1. Temperature, among other factors, drives atmospheric CO2 much more than CO2 drives temperature. The rate of change dCO2/dt is closely correlated with temperature and thus atmospheric CO2 LAGS temperature by ~9 months in the modern data record
2. CO2 also lags temperature by ~~800 years in the ice core record, on a longer time scale.
3. Atmospheric CO2 lags temperature at all measured time scales.
4. CO2 is the feedstock for carbon-based life on Earth, and Earth’s atmosphere and oceans are clearly CO2-deficient. CO2 abatement and sequestration schemes are nonsense.
5. Based on the evidence, Earth’s climate is insensitive to increased atmospheric CO2 – there is no global warming crisis.
6. Recent global warming was natural and irregularly cyclical – the next climate phase following the ~20 year pause will probably be global cooling, starting by ~2020 or sooner.
7. Adaptation is clearly the best approach to deal with the moderate global warming and cooling experienced in recent centuries.
8. Cool and cold weather kills many more people than warm or hot weather, even in warm climates. There are about 100,000 Excess Winter Deaths every year in the USA and about 10,000 in Canada.
9. Green energy schemes have needlessly driven up energy costs, reduced electrical grid reliability and contributed to increased winter mortality, which especially targets the elderly and the poor.
10. Cheap, abundant, reliable energy is the lifeblood of modern society. When politicians fool with energy systems, real people suffer and die. That is the tragic legacy of false global warming alarmism.
Allan MacRae, P.Eng. Calgary, June 12, 2015
Post Script for Rex Tillerson:
Hi Rex,
I have two engineering degrees, have worked in the energy business on six continents since 1984 and have made very significant contributions to the Canadian oilsands and the conventional oil and gas industry – this includes personally initiating the move to new royalty and tax terms and major cost reductions that revitalized the Alberta oilsands industry. Exxon was a 25% owner in three of our joint ventures.
I suggest that few individuals have made more money for Exxon through their own initiatives than I have, and I did not even work for you. So please put on your engineering hat, study the above post, and forget about the alleged global warming crisis – it does not exist.
Regards, Allan

Griff

would you like to comment then on the just published MAJOR revision to the RSS data?
https://www.carbonbrief.org/major-correction-to-satellite-data-shows-140-faster-warming-since-1998
“A new paper published in the Journal of Climate reveals that the lower part of the Earth’s atmosphere has warmed much faster since 1979 than scientists relying on satellite data had previously thought.
Researchers from Remote Sensing Systems (RSS), based in California, have released a substantially revised version of their lower tropospheric temperature record.
After correcting for problems caused by the decaying orbit of satellites, as well as other factors, they have produced a new record showing 36% faster warming since 1979 and nearly 140% faster (i.e. 2.4 times larger) warming since 1998. This is in comparison to the previous version 3 of the lower tropospheric temperature (TLT) data published in 2009.
Climate sceptics have long claimed that satellite data shows global warming to be less pronounced than observational data collected on the Earth’s surface. This new correction to the RSS data substantially undermines that argument. The new data actually shows more warming than has been observed on the surface, though still slightly less than projected in most climate models.”
[RSS datakeeper Carl Mears made it abundantly clear he wasn’t happy with his data because it didn’t show warming the way he wanted to…so he came up with a “correction”. It’s just politics, and since you cite the execrable “carbon brief” IT’S CLEAR YOU HAVE SWALLOWED THIS PLOY HOOK, LINE, AND SINKER.
Mears said:

Recently, a number of articles in the mainstream press have pointed out that there appears to have been little or no change in globally averaged temperature over the last two decades. Because of this, we are getting a lot of questions along the lines of “I saw this plot on a denialist web site. Is this really your data?” While some of these reports have “cherry-picked” their end points to make their evidence seem even stronger, there is not much doubt that the rate of warming since the late 1990’s is less than that predicted by most of the IPCC AR5 simulations of historical climate. This can be seen in the RSS data, as well as most other temperature datasets. For example, the figure below is a plot of the temperature anomaly (departure from normal) of the lower troposphere over the past 35 years from the RSS “Temperature Lower Troposphere” (TLT) dataset. For this plot we have averaged over almost the entire globe, from 80S to 80N, and used the entire TLT dataset, starting from 1979. (The denialists really like to fit trends starting in 1997, so that the huge 1997-98 ENSO event is at the start of their time series, resulting in a linear fit with the smallest possible slope.)

Mears simply got tired of his dataset being used to support something he didn’t believe…so he changed it; he added an “adjustment” using statistics.
Griff aka Ed “with too much time on his hands” doesn’t seem to get it. Warming due to adjustments is just smoke and mirrors. But he’s a birder, not a scientist, so he doesn’t look at these things objectively.

If your experiment needs statistics, you ought to have done a better experiment. – Ernest Rutherford

-Anthony]

Curious George

Finally they got the right adjustments. Adjustment, a climatologist’s dream.

Dave Fair

I assume that real statisticians like McIntyre, and Drs. Christy and Spencer will look into the revised RSS TLT methodology. Too bad the time lag will allow the warmistas to run around like they did with Karlization before the truth comes out.

Isn’t the claimed difference in that paper smaller than the margin of error in the measurements? — hence, statistically equivalent to zero? — hence of zero consequence?

Bruce Cobb

“We must get rid of the Medieval Warm Period Pesky Pause Period.”

Griff

I thought you were on holiday?
How’s it going?!
Well when you are back, I think that a major adjustment to half of the satellite data warrants a bit more than ‘he doesn’t get it’
for years this site has been trotting out RSS data in support of the skeptic viewpoint… now all that was wrong because they adjusted it? Or were the original figures right and you’ll be sticking to them, even though their owners have abandoned them?
and honestly, when was this site going to put up an article if I hadn’t raised this?

[I’m off next week. The Carbon Brief is an activist site, i.e. so I don’t reference them. I don’t see a press release from RSS or in Eurkealert, so it looks like they entirely made this themselves. If RSS had issued a press release: http://www.remss.com/measurements/upper-air-temperature – I’d be right on top of it. But when an activist site makes one where the primary researcher did not, I tend ignore junk like that. RSS issued press releases in 2016 for changes, and oddly none here. It suggests to me that the Carbon Brief and its morally questionable editor Leo Hickman have jumped the gun for clickbait.
Tough noogies if I don’t post things on your schedule. And while we are at it Ed, you need to slow down your rate of commenting…you are dangerously close to thread-bombing – Anthony]

Bruce Cobb

Griffy swings and misses again, continuing his batting average streak of .000.

MarkW

Bruce, Griff’s still in the warm up circle. He hasn’t found his way to the plate yet.

Javert Chip

Griff actually does his best work attacking women.
He’s done a number of drive-bys on Dr Crockford & Dr Curry.
Griff’s logic & science? Not so much.

Thank you Anthony.
Griff – there are good reasons why I use UAH and not RSS.

Griff

Well I have seen years of advocacy of the skeptic position based on RSS data.
and now it seems it is all invalid?
so it must have been invalid all along?

Clyde Spencer

Tanya,
What is the point of your post? Are you trying to say something?

Griff

This has got to be some automated response to forward posting on some site…

Curious George

She is a robot, trolling some sites, for reasons comprehensible only to robots.

Javert Chip

Ok, so “robot”, not “troll”?

Tom Halla

What was that Frau Merkel said again about solidarity against Trump?

markl

The EU can’t even balance their checkbook without deceiving their populace. UN’s foothold into One World Government is flailing and failing and they can attribute it to the AGW scam coming undone. The world is outing their lies. Uncouth may be too weak a word to describe Trump but style and personality aren’t the basis for good government.

Amber

Why would he USA keep the globalist climate fraud going ?

marty

@ Griff: Seems to be a new “Karlification”

The UN has been working on setting up the U.S. to provide a free bank account for the rest of the world for decades. They almost succeeded with the false climate change issue, but thank God for Trump.

twopoodlesandy

Ok, so now the Climate Bully makes “concessions” to Trump & America with fanfare for the G20 Summit:
“Several elements REMOVED in the May draft are:
– A 2025 deadline for the end of fossil fuel subsidies
– References to the risk of “stranded assets”
– A call for “the alignment of public expenditure and infrastructure planning with Paris Agreement goals
– A push for carbon pricing
– A commitment to publish mid-century de-carbonization blueprints by next year
– A pledge to develop a “profound” climate plan for multilateral development banks
– Seven references to the UN’s 2018 review of nationally-determined contributions
– 11 references to the 2050 mid-century pathway for net zero emission
– 16 mentions of infrastructure de-carbonization. . . ”
Hmmm… Any chance this is a Trojan horse intended to suck Trump & America back into the Paris Accord?
I can see the headlines now – “Trump Declares Huge Victory Renegotiating New Paris Climate Deal.” But once we’re lured back into the CAGW tent, beware. Don’t go there.

Ronda Rousey is too much for the German Overlord. Pick somebody smaller. Try Hit Girl

Harold Rosario

I am surprised that Griff did not quote Thomas Karl’s adjusted sea surface temperature data, that Obama bandied around at the Paris Climate accord meeting, to prove that the pause in global warming was a data measure error. Just a heads up Griff, Karl was lying.

The Bride: “I have a message for G7 Bully. Leave US alone!”
G7 Bully: “Or what?”
The Bride: “Or I’ll come back and chop your f@ckin leg”

These politicians are worried that their own citizens are realizing its a scam and start asking why they have been stealing their tax money. Until now, all politicians said it was the worst thing ever, many countries just paid off to come on board……..Trump has said not only does the emperor have no clothes but that magic snake oil is just corn oil which isnt even healthy anyway…