The Post-Paris China Syndrome

Guest post by David Middleton

I’m beginning to think that President Trump’s wise decision to withdraw from the Paris Climate Accord has induced a new strain of Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS): The Post-Paris China Syndrome (PPCS) Two Real Clear Energy articles are the perfect examples of PPCS:

Which Top 3 Polluter Dominates Wind And Solar?

By Zainab Calcuttawala – Jun 12, 2017, 12:40 PM CDT

China, the United States, and India are the most prolific greenhouse gas emitters in the world – in that order. To prevent the earth’s temperatures from rising by 2 degrees Celsius, those three key players will need to begin adopting renewables en masse.

Longtime followers of energy sector news will remember a time just a few years ago when China could now be considered a viable leader for the anti-climate change movement due to its voracious coal diet.

But the nation’s coal consumption has been in free fall since 2013…

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Firstly, I think there was a typo in this sentence:

Longtime followers of energy sector news will remember a time just a few years ago when China could now not be considered a viable leader for the anti-climate change movement due to its voracious coal diet.

I corrected it in red font.  Correction notwithstanding, the only way in which Red China will be a “viable leader for the anti-climate change movement,” is as a profit center.  The ChiCom’s will be more than happy to sell all the solar panels that the rest of the world desires to purchase.

Secondly, “anti-climate change movement”… WTF?  That’s as idiotic as an “anti-plate tectonics party” or an “anti-entropy entourage.”

Thirdly, Red China’s “coal consumption has been in free fall since 2013″…

*Free fall*… AEUHHH????

According to the 2017 BP Statistical Review of World Energy, Red China’s coal consumption has declined slightly since 2013… However, “free fall” doesn’t appear to be an apt description.  The ChiCom coal diet remains more voracious than the rest of the world combined.

China_v_World_Coal

Annual Coal Consumption in million tonnes of oil equivalent (MTOE). China 1,888 Rest of World 1,844 Source: 2017 BP Statistical Review of World Energy http://www.bp.com/en/global/corporate/energy-economics/statistical-review-of-world-energy.html

Now back to Ms. Calcuttawala’s article:

The National Geographic reports a 35 GW increase in solar power capacity – equivalent to Germany’s entire power supply – in just 2016.

Well… The National Geographic got the 35 GW right; however, according to the 2017 BP Statistical Review of World Energy, Germany had over 41 GW of solar capacity at the end of 2016 and generated over 648 TWh of electricity in 2016.  If Red China’s 35 GW of solar power capacity operated at a 100% capacity factor, it wouldn’t even generate half of Germany’s entire power supply in 2016.  I am assuming that Ms. Calcuttawala means generation, not capacity, by the phrase “power supply.”

Now back to Ms. Calcuttawala for her utterly shocking (NOT!) conclusion:

China’s communist regime controls domestic wealth and resources, so any nationwide campaign to go green must be recognized and sanctioned by Beijing.

Evaluating the U.S.’ Dedication to planet Earth is a little trickier though.

[…]

Federalism sees the virtue in allowing states and cities to be laboratories of democracy. Leading the development of international green policy, however, requires strong political will at the federal level – which the U.S. lacks.

OilPrice.com

If only this nation was a Marxist dictatorship, like Red China, we would gladly “make the United States the cleanest Third World country on Earth” (h/t Dr. Roy Spencer) in a  Quixotic global anti-climate change movement.  After slaying climate change, we could then lead the world in a crusade (or jihad, if you prefer) against plate tectonics and entropy!

The second article was not quite so much a target-rich environment for ridicule; but it did include one very large target:

How Trump’s COP21 Promise Became China’s Opportunity

By Rob Edens

June 13, 2017

The world was waiting with baited breath to see what Donald Trump would do with the Paris climate agreement, but the reasons that ultimately drove him to abandon it are overwhelmingly domestic. As a candidate, his energy platform centered on the ideas that emissions reductions efforts hurt the American economy, “kill jobs”, and weaken the country’s energy security. After months of deliberation, the now-president decided there is no way to reconcile those “America First” policies with climate commitments that dictate terms to the US energy industry.

It must have come as a surprise, then, when fossil fuel companies came together to lobby the Trump White House not to tear up the pact. A pro-Paris alliance that included Cheniere Energy, Exxon Mobil, and even coal companies like Cloud Peak and Peabody pleaded with the Trump administration in support of the agreement before he decided to withdraw.

[…]

Pleaded?  No.  Some companies did state that they thought it would be good for business to “keep a seat at the table” because they were concerned that the G-7 Climate Bully might isolate the United States and harm U.S. coal, petroleum and natural gas exports.  This turned out to be an even more mythical fear than CAGW.

Now, on to the very large target:

With the US out of the Paris Accords, developing nations are set to lose the billions Washington would have contributed to the Green Climate Fund. With that windfall now off the table, these countries will probably expand their reliance on their natural resources (such as coal), hoping to obtain the Western technology to develop it – currently, only the U.S., Canada and Norway have large-scale CCS projects in operation.

[…]

Real Clear Energy

Mr. Edens then babbles a bit about coal mining companies not being able to export carbon sequestration technology to Third World hellholes… (Maybe the article was more target-rich than I originally thought.)

So… Red China now has an opportunity to what?  Pick up the tab for “the billions Washington would have contributed to the Green Climate Fund”?  I doubt it.

The ChiCom’s were probably banking on the United States borrowing more money from them, to give to Third World tin horn dictators, so they could buy Red Chinese solar panels, wind turbines and thermal power plants.

This brings us to a lucid article by former Iraq WMD inspector Scott Ritter:

An Indispensable Truth

June 2017 Scott Ritter

President Donald Trump’s decision to withdraw the US from the Paris Agreement on climate change, and his earlier failure, during last month’s Nato summit in Brussels, to reaffirm the collective security arrangements set forth in Article 5 of the alliance’s charter, have given the world a first real taste of America’s new isolationism. While the US’ position as the world’s “indispensable nation” has been in decline for decades, Trump’s actions, a clear manifestation of his policy of “America First,” underline the uncomfortable reality that the world remains incapable of providing any viable option to American leadership.

[…]

As currently configured, both Nato and the Paris Agreement place the US at an economic disadvantage to those with whom they are in supposed agreement — Europe in Nato, India and China in the Paris Agreement. In both cases, American leadership is being paid for by the American taxpayer, and is as such unsustainable, given the political realities of Trump’s presidency, under which the notion of exceptionalism has been superseded by a more transactional concept of fairness, not least in the view of those who elected him.

From Trump’s perspective, Article 5 cannot be blindly endorsed without recognition among Nato members of their funding commitments under Article 3. In the context of the Paris Agreement, Trump believes that greenhouse emission controls must be more equitably spread out among the world’s economies in a manner that does not unduly disadvantage the US.

Trump’s actions have, in fact, reinforced the notion of the US was the world’s “indispensable nation.” The idea of Germany, France, the UK and other Nato members trying to fund a collective defense capability without the US is laughable — the economic costs would be orders of magnitude greater than the 2% GDP being demanded by Trump, while the political cost would be unbearable. Likewise, America’s withdrawal from the Paris Agreement will require the rest of the world to either fix it, or watch it dissolve.

The US has, both in terms of its military and economic capabilities, since been in gradual decline since the end of the Cold War. But this decline has not been accompanied by any parallel ascendancy of note on the part of the rest of the world, either individually or collectively. America remains indispensable on the world stage, largely because there is no one ready, willing or able to stand in its place. The international community has been confronted with the reality of Trump’s negotiating strategy, founded as it is on the notion that one should never enter into a negotiation one is not willing to walk away from. Trump has walked away. How the rest of the world responds will offer a true measure of the current state of American exceptionalism, and American indispensability.

Scott Ritter is a former US Marine Corps intelligence officer whose service over a 20-plus-year career included tours of duty in the former Soviet Union implementing arms control agreements, serving on the staff of US General Norman Schwarzkopf during the Gulf War, and later as a chief weapons inspector with the UN in Iraq from 1991-98.

Energy Intelligence

This passage bears repeating:

The international community has been confronted with the reality of Trump’s negotiating strategy, founded as it is on the notion that one should never enter into a negotiation one is not willing to walk away from. Trump has walked away. How the rest of the world responds will offer a true measure of the current state of American exceptionalism, and American indispensability.

“One should never enter into a negotiation one is not willing to walk away from.”  This is the heart of “the art of the deal.”  (From 2009-2016, the U.S. government operated antithetically to this principle.)

President Reagan walked away from Reykjavik and won the Cold War.  President Trump walked away from Paris and will win the war against the Warmunists (anti-climate change movement) because he believes in American exceptionalism and understands that we still are the only indispensable nation.

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Tom Halla

So the Chinese produce wind and solar for export, and use some internally. So what? They are definitely not phasing out coal fired electric generation internally.

yarpos

Both India and China announced reductions in panned coal plant builds. In both cases, especially India, I would place more faith in watching what actually happens vs announcements.

GoatGuy

Remarkable… double-talk and mendacity all in one.
When will ”they” learn?
Solar is ONLY available 30% (tops,max) of the time.
Wind from 60% to 20% depending on weather.
Natural gas, 100%
Nuclear 100%
Hydro 100% (with some blackout months tho’)
It is worth remembering.

dan no longer in CA

Nuclear power in the US is about 93% available. Refueling every 18 months or so, turbine maintenance, etc, most of which is planned to happen in spring and fall when demand is minimum. But I get your point.

provoter

That’s a worthy point you make, Dan, but (FWIW) I think what is meant is that nuke is up ~100% of the time when it’s actually in service and being depended upon. Solar and wind also must be put out for service now and then – everyone gets that everything mechanical and/or electrical needs periodic servicing. However, solar and wind don’t put out much of the time even when they are IN SERVICE, and that I think is the point being made.

ATheoK

Most nuclear plants run multiple reactors.
Refueling is staged, so that nuclear power is not unavailable or even reduced.

H. D. Hoese

20% minimum must be an average, on our windy central Texas coast they do stop for quite a while, this one last week in the panhandle the hard way.
http://www.accuweather.com/en/videos/giant-wind-turbine-goes-up-in-flames/t1exfpyje6sreftgoteqiluueqzvs_tt

J.H.

When it’s too windy, the wind turbines don’t work either.

Ed

Appreciate that prior to their global warming cause the organized environmental community was trying to eliminate or at least dramatically change the operation of hydroelectric plants in the USA.

Navy Bob

The bait in the world’s breath wasn’t juicy enough to keep Donald in the pact.

No, but as numerous documents make clear and the slow pace of Senate approvals makes easier, the action on implementing the UN’s 2030 agenda was more in the Dignity for All by 2030 and Habitat III documents. Julian Castro began implemnting the Habitat III agenda through HUD in 2014. Do you really think anyone has laid that all out to Ben Carson?
How about the Social Determinants of Health and HIAP-Health in All Policies agenda that also permeates the federal agencies and state and local governments? http://invisibleserfscollar.com/outlasting-presidential-administrations-and-transcending-politics-data-driven-social-control/ gets at just a portion of what was designed to bypass ant nonconsenting President or appointees.
It needs to be on more people’s radars.

Alex

‘baited breath’ = worm on tongue. The article should say ‘bated’, perhaps it was just a slip of the tongue

I noticed that too. Sounds fishy to me.

RockyRoad

…only if you can set the hook.

Graphite

When a cat eats a piece of cheese then sits down outside a mouse-hole in the skirting board . . . that’s baited breath.

Duncan

Or could it be China’s growth going from double digits to ~6% over the last seven years have anything to do with the slow down in energy usage? All depends how you spin it.comment image

Duncan

Or China has already saturated the market with coal power? All depends on how you spin it.
China is currently building more coal plants than it needs and in doing so is misallocating capital at an unprecedented rate. As of July 2016, China has 895 GW of existing coal capacity being used less than half of the time – and perversely has 205 GW under construction and another 405 GW of capacity planned, with a total overnight capital cost of half a trillion US dollars. This misallocation of capital is a microcosm of wider structural woes within the Chinese economy. China’s rapid economic growth, demographic profile and geographical size has meant it often made sense for the government to build power infrastructure first and ask questions later. The days when China could grow at a fast pace by accumulating capital, safe in the knowledge that this capital would achieve high returns, appear to be over.
China’s coal power investments have reached an important juncture: keep pouring capital into increasingly unviable projects and put the financial system under additional pressure from the risk of large-scale defaults, or stop investing and promote efficiency. As power demand growth slows from a historical average of 10% to 3% or less per year, the coal capacity in the pipeline, as well as some existing coal capacity, risks becoming stranded due to low carbon capacity targets, ongoing reforms in the power sector and carbon pricing.
http://www.carbontracker.org/report/chasing-the-dragon-china-coal-power-plants-stranded-assets-five-year-plan/

Bryan A

So long as they don’t Volunteer to pick up the funding deficit created by the US departure from Paris by printing their own US Dollars and using that fradulent currency to build up the Green Fund

Felflames

Build far more capacity than you need.
Sell cheap energy to the neigbours.
Make them dependent on said cheap power.
Use that as a political lever to get them to do what you want in any disputes.
ie Let us expand our territory to those disputed islands, or we turn the power off, and your economy collapses.

MarkW

Who is China selling power to?
N. Koreans? Don’t need it. Couldn’t use it even if it was free.
Russia and the various Stans? Very low population in those areas. No leverage for blackmail.
Vietnam? Most of the population is too far from the Chinese border.
The rest of the countries are either to small or too poor.

Ed

I will bet the plants not running are in and around their major cities. Nothing worse of a government than having your citizens, especially party members, dying off from killer smog.

Keith

David, being a frequent reader of oil.com, Ms Calcuttawala’s articles could provide you a similar post in WUWT weekly. I feel better informed than several regular posters there who seem to have a superficial view of energy issues.
However, it does seem that a lot of people are offended by Mr Trump’s very logical decision, without really knowing why. Most are unaware of the Bjorn Lomborg type analysis, and therefore may support the kind of drivel she has written.

With respect to Ms. Calcuttawala’s article – you can always spot an energy illterate when they confuse power levels, expressed as either Terrawatts, Gigawatts, Megawatts, or KiloWatts, with
amounts of power (Terrawatthours, gigawatthours, etc) and when they confuse an energy generator’s nameplate capacity (max power output capability) with its actual, output capability
(capacity – 0 to 100%). She also must have conveniently missed the Chinese govt recent statement that they are banning further wind turbine input because of its de-stabilizing effect on the grid and its high cost.

Bill Murphy

“… the Chinese govt recent statement that they are banning further wind turbine input because of its de-stabilizing effect on the grid and its high cost.”
Arthur, do you have a link to a reference for that? I could use it in an ongoing discussion with a “True Believer”

lewispbuckingham

When advising a true believer that the production of windmill turbines in China left large areas heavily contaminated with heavy metals and destroyed agriculture, the reply was
‘well it will only get better.’
Once one ‘knows’ that CO2 is evil then anything goes.
The Irish always want to keep pushing.
When you get resistance back off for a while, you may have sense in a while.

And Terrawatts are what mushrooms produce. Terawatts (one ‘r’) are a lotta watts.

Curious George

The common denominator is “CO2 is bad. Rising temperatures are bad.” The greening of Africa is bad – but they don’t say so.

AllyKat

Well, increased vegetation means that more CO2 will be used for plant food and more oxygen will be released into the air. People might benefit. We can’t have that. Damn the continent. Save the movement..

Bruce Cobb

“The world was waiting with baited breath…”
With what did the world bait its breath, and what was it trying to catch?

ReallySkeptical

“If only this nation was a Marxist dictatorship, like Red China, we would gladly “make the United States the cleanest Third World country on Earth””
A dictatorship would always do better at the Prisoner’s Dilemma than a democracy.

Bill J

” I am assuming that Ms. Calcuttawala means generation, not capacity, by the phrase “power supply.””
I’m pretty sure what she meant was “equivalent to Germany’s entire solar generation capacity”.
Also your correction in red (replacing “now” with “not”) is incorrect. She’s trying to say (very poorly!) that China was a leader in the anti-Global Warming movement based on their dramatic increase in the use of coal. She’s inferring that China is now a leader in the CAGW movement because they have reduced coal usage and installed huge amounts of solar energy generation.
I highly doubt that China is concerned about climate change and their contributions to global CO2 levels. They are concerned with increasing their electricity generation capabilities and their ability to profit off the CAGW hysteria.

Mike Nelson

What idiots. They say:
The US has, both in terms of its military and economic capabilities, since been in gradual decline since the end of the Cold War. But this decline has not been accompanied by any parallel ascendancy of note on the part of the rest of the world, either individually or collectively.
Yet a quick Google search shows that China’s per capital GDP has increased 4X, and India’s by 2X, since 1990. If that isn’t “of note” they must set a pretty high bar.

Gavin K. Greenewalt

not wanting to be ad hominem but is that the same scott ritter i think it is?

Roger Knights

I suspect China may not count the “coal” used in its coal gasification plants in Inner Mongolia. Yet those plants emit more CO2 than actually burning the coal would do. The way to check on China’s actual emissions is by that satellite sent up a year or two ago. Funny that we haven’t heard from it much lately.

commieBob

It must have come as a surprise, then, when fossil fuel companies came together to lobby the Trump White House not to tear up the pact. A pro-Paris alliance that included Cheniere Energy, Exxon Mobil, and even coal companies like Cloud Peak and Peabody pleaded with the Trump administration in support of the agreement before he decided to withdraw.

There are two sets of motivations here.
The coal companies did, in fact, advocate that America keep its seat at the table. link
The oil companies, on the other hand, own natural gas and would be only too happy to see more restrictions on coal so they could sell more gas. link
The coal company stance sounds a lot like appeasement. It’s a bad strategy.

ossqss

When discussing solar power it is important to distinguish the Name Plate number from the Capacity Factor. TonyfromOz does an excellent job explaining it in this comment with citations.
http://joannenova.com.au/2017/02/does-solar-pv-in-half-of-europe-make-more-energy-than-it-consumes/#comment-1895082

Go Whitecaps!

Ok. How about we dispense withe the ‘now’ and ‘not’ as in ‘A few years ago, China could be considered a viable leader for the anti-climate change movement due to its voracious coal diet.

AllyKat

I think that Ritter has some good points, but this phrase bothers me:
“… the notion of exceptionalism has been superseded by a more transactional concept of fairness…”
Since when did “exceptionalism” mean paying for everyone else while they complain about how we do not do enough and do too much, all in the same breath? Besides, we have been hearing for the past 8 years about how UN-exceptional we are, how presumptuous we are, and how we should be just like every other country (except for abortion, but that is a whole other can of worms). Shouldn’t all the leftists and non-Americans be rejoicing that the American “bully” is stepping back?
All the special snowflakes talk about is how everything should be “fair”, how our “evil” country is standing in the way of utopia, and how patriarchy/paternalism/colonialism is the root of all evil. Well, paying for everything is patriarchal/paternalistic/colonialist. So is asserting that we know best. We need to get out of the way so that other countries can have a turn. The U.S. just messes everything up and someone else should be running the show. So why the fuss? Here’s their chance to show their superiority!
That last part was sarcasm.

Latitude

China, the United States, and India are the most prolific greenhouse gas emitters in the world – in that order.
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wrong….China, the US, …..the EU………, then India, then Russia
If the EU wants to be the EU, don’t let them play this game….they are little biddy countries when they count CO2

dp

By continuing to build coal-fired plants China can sustain a 24 hour/day workforce even as they sell solar power to their competition. They’re not stupid. I would also not be amazed to learn they don’t have a single lash-up grid like we have in the US, but regional isolated power plants with critical redundancy and so will be protected from cascading effects from EMP blasts or terrorist/military attacks on the infrastructure. Then there are all those dams they building in the mountains above India.

Bruce Cobb

Donald Trump ….. should remember that withdrawing from the COP21 won’t undo the market forces it has helped unleash.

Waaaa? Market forces? Unleashed? Is Edens on drugs? The “green” energy industry was always a bogus one, propped up by governments and by an ideology which is anti-Western, anti-free market, anti-growth, and anti-human. This is their last gasp. They’re doomed, and they know it.

Chris Hanley

Western observers argue whether China can still be regarded as a Marxist state — if it ever was.
In some respects now it resembles the relatively unadulterated capitalism of the late 19th century Britain or early 20th century US.
IPCC climate change™science and Marxism have a lot in common in that both are model-based and seem to appeal to the same totalitarian instincts:
‘Marx was seen, and saw himself, as “the Darwin of society”: as the originator of a historical science to match Darwin’s biological science. He provided his certainties in terms of proven theory. The contract betwwen his own and Darwin’s methods is very striking, and indeed Marx saw this himself — referring rather patronizingly to Darwin’s “crude English empiricism.” By this he meant no more than the perfectly true circumstance that Darwin accumulated facts before developing his theory, as against the supposedly superior method Marx derived from his German academic background, of inventing the theory first and then finding the facts to support it’ (Robert Conquest Reflections on a Ravaged Century). https://zfgbbmhhki.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/download-0393048187-reflections-on-a-ravaged-century.pdf

wws

I think China is best understood as a reformed and improved (yes, improved) version of what is essentially the same government they’ve had for the last 2000 years. Since we love to focus on personalities, we get swept away in thinking of China as being run by Emperors (plugging them into our historical Romanesque paradigm) without fully realizing that the Chinese Government has *Always* been a huge, faceless, but incredibly powerful Bureaucracy. Whether you call the nominal head an “Emperor”, a “Chairman”, or a “Premier”, he’s always just been a front man for the men behind the scenes who actually pull all the strings.
“Marxism” is of interest to them if it helps them to retain power. “Capitalism” is also completely acceptable, as long as the ruling class can retain power. In fact, they prefer capitalism because they understand that Wealth IS Power, and they laugh at the idiots in the west who will impoverish themselves for ideology. “Ideology” is a western obsession, the Chinese know that Power is All, and all of their efforts will always be focused on gaining and maintaining the same.
China has had 2000 years of practice at this kind of Government, not a surprise that they’ve gotten quite good at it.

Thirdly, Red China’s “coal consumption has been in free fall since 2013″…
*Free fall*… AEUHHH????

Well, you must remember warmist math. A rise of 0.2 degrees is considered rapid acceleration of temperature.

wws

“One should never enter into a negotiation one is not willing to walk away from.”
Only a brain addled leftist could think this was anything other than common sense that everyone takes for granted.
When you are NOT willing to walk away, then you empower the other side to act up and treat you like dirt, because they know that you’re a lot more desperate for the deal than they are. And the instant they are sure of that, they’ve already beaten you. Kind of like how the North Koreans have acted since always. Or the Palestinians.

Leo Smith

calcutta wallah = ‘man from calcutta’ ???

rwisrael

The Paris pullout and the NATO funds overdrawn notice are kind of Atlas Shrugged, the 2017 version. Free riders off the bus.

Griff

If you are going to reference the BP report, there are a few facts in it about coal worth considering:
• Global coal consumption fell by 53 million tonnes of oil equivalent (mtoe), or 1.7%, the second successive annual decline. The largest declines in coal consumption were seen in the US (-33 mtoe, an 8.8% fall) and China (-26 mtoe, -1.6%). Coal consumption in the UK more than halved (down 52.5%, or 12 mtoe) to its lowest level in our records.
• Coal’s share of global primary energy consumption fell to 28.1%, the lowest share since 2004.
• World coal production fell by 6.2%, or 231 mtoe, the largest decline on record. China’s production fell by 7.9% or 140 mtoe, also a record decline. US production fell by 19% or 85 mtoe.
Spencer Dale’s analysis on Coal also mentions:
“The fortunes of coal appear to have taken a decisive break from the past. This shift largely reflects structural factors: the increasing availability and competitiveness of natural gas and renewables, combined with government and societal pressure to shift towards cleaner, lower carbon fuels.”
“A particularly striking example of this long-run movement away from coal was here in the UK, where the hike in global coal prices was amplified by the increase in the UK’s Carbon Price Floor in 2015. As a result, the UK’s relationship with coal almost completed an entire cycle: with the UK’s last three underground coal mines closing, consumption falling back to where it was roughly 200 years ago around the time of the industrial revolution, and the UK power sector recording its first-ever coal-free day in April of this year.”
The London Times also quotes Mr Spencer as downplaying the likelihood of Trump reviving US coal, saying US coal decline was not from regulation, but the influence of shale gas ‘unless you do something to stop shale gas, which doesn’t appear to be what the administration intends to do, I find it hard to see how that trend could change’
And finally, note China has now banned 28 of its 31 provinces from permitting new coap power projects
http://energydesk.greenpeace.org/2017/05/16/china-coal-overcapacity-policy-hits-provinces/
(reposted… doesn’t seem to have stuck first time)

MarkW

I was reading about a coal mine in PA that re-opened recently.

Griff

Yes. But why?
https://arstechnica.com/business/2017/06/amid-coal-plant-closures-coal-mines-open-but-not-for-electricity/
At least as many coal power plant closures have been announced since Trump took office as are (possibly) planned for the US – five.
90% of US coal is used in coal power plants. There is no sign that shale oil is going to be cut back. The gas price is going to have to rise a LOT to make coal plant costs look better…
This suggests 25 plants closing across 16 states
https://cleantechnica.com/2017/04/24/us-coal-plant-closures-likely-eliminate-30-million-tonnes-annual-coal-demand/
This close is expected to save its operators 183 million dollars
http://fossilfuel.energy-business-review.com/news/fpl-plans-to-close-1300mw-coal-fired-power-plant-in-jacksonville-230517-5821789

Ed, the more I read yur comments, which have been increasing in frequency, the more I think you aren’t just a guy in a birding club, but an activist. Perhaps even paid to comment here.

MarkW

Poor Griff, paid to argue that all trends going in the way his handlers desire, will always continue.
Right now nat gas is cheaper than coal, that won’t always be the case. Indeed, according to David, it has already started to reverse.
At some point in time, the situation will reverse, and nat gas plants will start closing in favor of coal plants.
That’s just how the world works.

MarkW

BTW, Arctic ice levels are now above the levels from 2012. I’m still waiting for that death spiral you’ve been predicting all winter.

Griff

Anthony I absolutely refute that…
I have a lot of time on my hands (too much!) and an interest in climate and renewables… as an amateur.
I’m not even a member of any political party or green group.
Is this site open to comments from all or from those of a certain viewpoint only?
It would be perfectly reasonable for you to make this a one viewpoint only site with non-skeptic views blocked. On the other side of this debate I can think of arctic sea ice sites where the skeptic viewpoint is blocked and the Guardian is over zealous in removing skeptic views as off topic….
(If there’s a private channel I can reach you on to assure you I’m in good faith? I’ve even considered there might be an article I could write for you…)

catweazle666

“Anthony I absolutely refute that…”
A pity then that – based on your track record of mendacity such as lying about the qualifications of experts your handlers have told you to discredit, massively distorting the figures for renewable energy production and the quantity of polar ice – nobody believes a single thing you post.
Speaking of which, have you apologised to Dr, Crockford for maliciously lying about her scientific credentials yet?

yarpos

Griff “Is this site open to comments from all or from those of a certain viewpoint only?”
Clearly Griff, your comments which are contrary to the leanings of most here are published, so why even ask such a non-sensical question? This site is far more open than warmist/renewable fan boy sites , where comments I make are routinely deleted/refused.

MarkW

Speaking of Trump Derangement Syndrome.
Every year congressional Republicans and Democrats put on a baseball game with the proceeds going to charity. Yesterday a gunman attacked the Republicans as they practiced. According to witnesses he asked whether the congressmen were Republicans or Democrats before opening fire.

MarkW

According to the latest news, the gunman was a supporter of Sander’s and even worked on his campaign.

Louis

“…the world remains incapable of providing any viable option to American leadership.”
Incapable or unwilling? What nation wants to lead if that means doing only what the world wants you to do while you provide the largest share of the funding? Who else would be that gullible? In nature, the leader gets to decide where the herd goes. But Trump changed direction and the rest of the herd refused to follow. A leader that is not allowed to change direction is not really a leader at all. He is simply following from the front.

PrivateCitizen

How Trump’s COP21 Promise Became China’s Opportunity
By Rob Edens
June 13, 2017
The world was waiting with baited breath to see what Donald Trump
ROB EDENS CAN’T SPELL… it is NOT “baited” breath (no worms involved!) …. but “bated”….Are there are NO adults proofing, or copy editors anymore? ‘Bated’ is simply a shortened form of ‘abated’, meaning ‘to bring down, lower or depress’. ‘Abated breath’ makes perfect sense and that’s where the phrase comes from.