
Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Speculation is mounting about whether President Macron will keep his promise to take all our climate scientists, and offer them a new home in France.
Back in February, then Presidential Candidate Emmanuel Macron offered US climate scientists who were worried about their future under President Trump a new home in France.
Will President Macron keep his promise?
(President Macron speaking in English)
Interest in Macron’s offer has surged since he won the French Presidency;
French president-elect Emmanuel Macron mocks US counterpart Donald Trump over climate change
MAY 9, 20179:32AM
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The message was recorded in February but surged in views yesterday following the former investment banker’s election.
The message, which he reiterated after his historic win, centres on his commitment to preserve the budget to fight climate change.
It also has a none-too-subtle dig at Trump.
“Please come to France, you are welcome. It’s your nation; we like innovation. We want innovative people. We want people working on climate change, energy, renewables, and new technologies.”.
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I am deeply moved by President Macron’s words “The Message for you guys – come to France”.
President Macron, please take them. Take them all.
But be warned, they will expect you to feed them; don’t expect us to pay for their upkeep.
Thanks to Brexit, the days of English speaking countries subsidising the French are over.
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Well Macron certainly won’t be inviting Scottish scientists over to France. By the time the insanely green, AGW loving SNP are finished with the country, they’ll be back to drawing on cave walls.
“Standards of reading and writing in Scotland’s schools have fallen to “shameful” levels under the SNP, according to critics reacting to the publication of a damning official survey of literacy.”
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/scotland/shameful-figures-reveal-decline-in-school-literacy-sdv7xm8n0?CMP=TNLEmail_118918_1836056
Griff, Yep –
climate change is a real issue for France Germany and even the UK, as well as India and China. US loses respect .
Griff your towel and franchise a better one.
Don’t quite catch your banter, old chap…
In English, Please
Griff – the hitchhikers guide:
through the galaxy.
2. keep distance to yellow Road preservation / construction machines.
1. always have a towel griffbereit.
Old chap, talking with me is you are informed about
https://www.google.at/search?client=ms-android-samsung&ei=AEQTWdnTBcmS6AT1rIHoDg&q=captain+schettino&oq=captain++scett&gs_l=mobile-gws-serp.
And you’ve got access to Google https://www.google.at/search?client=ms-android-samsung&ei=AEQTWdnTBcmS6AT1rIHoDg&q=captain+schettino&oq=captain++scett&gs_l=mobile-gws-serp.
for yourself.
Boagrius has 2 spears griffbereit.
Achilles has just 1 sword griffbereit.
With bronce swords you have to bend the sword over the knee after every blow. Better you do the thing in one fell swoop.
With bronce swords you have to bend that butter soft sword over the knee after every blow. Better you end that case in one fell swoop.
https://youtu.be/VzsfyxACV7M
e.g. captain scettino
https://www.google.at/search?client=ms-android-samsung&ei=AEQTWdnTBcmS6AT1rIHoDg&q=captain+schettino&oq=captain++scett&gs_l=mobile-gws-serp.
didn’t have dry socks ‘griffbereit’.
So he had to leave the sinking ship before the passengers.
Griff. Bereit.
Griff ! Bereit !
Ah!
Towel.
gotcha.
Macron has promised also to defend the Paris agreement and made a point of mentioning that and climate change as one of 3 points he raised in his conversation with President Trump…
climate change is a real issue for France Germany and even the UK, as well as India and China. US loses respect by its attitude.
Let’s be practical Griff – France is willing to pay, USA not so much. So it makes sense for the climate scientists to accept Macron’s offer, so they can continue their great work, unimpeded by worries about where their next million dollar grant is coming from.
True I guess… go where the demand is! 🙂
More likely to just attach your loyalty to those who write the checks.
Eric
If France is willing to pay, they can take our (USA) place. We paid their defense bill for the last 65 years, they can pay for climate change. Fair’s fair.
” climate change is a real issue for France Germany and even the UK, as well as India and China. US loses respect by its attitude.”
I’m with you Griff even if you aren’t able to spell
“climate change is a real issue for France,
Germany,
and even the UK, as well as India and China.
US
loses respect by its attitude.
Griff, you really are Brexit – not US.exit ?
Great – for all US denying number 10 downing street fly over’s.
Griff,
climate change is an imagined issue for France, Germany and the UK.
The ONLY observable effect of increased atmospheric CO2, has been to green the planet by 14% (9% net) over the last 30 years, according to NASA’s own research into its own satellite data.
Over the last 40 years there have been no successful, credible studies empirically demonstrating atmospheric CO2 is causing global temperature rise, nor doing any harm whatsoever. There should be hundreds, if not thousands, but there are none.
Any negative effects associated with CO2 are exaggerated laboratory creations.
Then why do they continue towards their CO2 reduction and renewable roll out targets?
and why do their universities, national science institutions and govts accept the science and research climate?
for they do…
I don’t know, Grift. Money? Combined with a lot of elitist, lemminglike pig-headedness?
“Then why do they continue towards their CO2 reduction and renewable roll out targets?”
Because taxpayers are footing the bill for projects that alleviate unemployment. I believe it takes 74 renewable workers to produce the same energy as one coal worker.
It also disguises past failed attempts to alleviate poverty in developing countries by diverting funds to them under the guise of climate change.
It conforms to the socialist idyll of spreading the wealth by tax instead of allowing developing countries to develop themselves. Socialists simply cannot resist the temptation to view anyone with less than them as poor lost souls who deserve their condescending charity. They would rather hand great wads of cash over to corrupt governments in the hope that some will trickle down to the needy. This according to my late father in law, a former UN forester who had the misfortune to deal with both Fidel and Raul Castro.
Universities and national science institutions have a vested interest because it’s the gravy train that just keeps giving. Have you never wondered why there are so many studies, I’m sure even you would consider barmy, that have climate change mentioned somewhere in them, simply to get funding. Grants have within them an overhead, rarely mentioned, for the Universities themselves. More grant’s more money, more nice campuses, more field trips to exotic locations to study increasingly obscure and, hitherto, impossible to justify phenomenons.
Meanwhile, there was an article on this blog the other day where the author asked a lecture room of microbiologists if climate change was the dominant threat to mankind. Not one of them agreed it was.
The support for the global warming cause is certainly not amongst educated individuals, it is amongst institutions who have embedded motives to promote it. And as Judith Curry, and numerous other notable scientists point out, woe betide any member of a scientific institution who vocalises dissent, because their jobs depend on compliance.
Surely this is obvious even to you Griff. The only credible study conducted on the overall, observable effect increased CO2 has had on the planet over the last 30 years was by NASA. Their satellite data revealed the planet has greened by 14%, entirely beneficial to mankind. Meanwhile, there are no credible, empirical studies which demonstrate CO2 causes global temperatures to rise.
There should be hundreds, if not thousands over the last 40 years to justify the obscene amounts of money being wasted on the subject, but there are none. Or perhaps there are, but they have been buried because the conclusions didn’t suit the objective of proving man is responsible for the planet warming. There are innumerable abandoned or inconclusive studies undertaken every year that never see the light of day because their conclusions didn’t meet their hypothetical objectives. But the grants are still paid to the institution conducting them.
The UN is heavily invested in this because one of it’s main objectives since WW2 is to help developing countries out of poverty, and almost universally it has failed miserably relative to the amount of money it has wasted. It’s in their interests to support the climate change hysteria to divert from those failures, and as a bureaucratic organisation, it is naturally inclined to both support and grow their organisation. To do that, they must have yet another reason to scare the pants off governments to provide yet more funds to continue yet another wild goose chase. They dare not be exposed as a failure, so the more elusive the objective, the better for them.
“US loses respect by its attitude.”
That’s better than losing money.
And why should we desire respect from a bunch of delusional people?
Griff actually thinks we care whether European socialists “respect” us?
The only time a socialist respects you, is when they are spending your money.
PS: Who care what delusional people consider to be “real issues”?
I expect socialist have as much respect for their enablers as a con artist has for his victims.
The only time a socialist respects you, is when they are spending your money.”
Perfect!
If the world’s nations disrespect your nation, it says something about the conduct of that nation.
The US is very, very much alone on climate change.
In Griff’s world, morality is determined by popular vote. With only those who agree with him allowed to vote.
Griff
Gee, if what you said was even 10% accurate, people wouldn’t want to immigrate to the USA.
Macron’s risk.
Sure, they’ll deliver the finest sky-ence money will buy.
Just don’t expect accuracy.
“The spring frost has just reduced the production, sometimes to nothing, the hopes that many growers had in the 2017 crop (of wine)”
http://www.lepoint.fr/vin/gel-dans-le-vignoble-premier-bilan-30-04-2017-2123755_581.php
Right you are Alfred, two consecutive days of strong frost at the end of April have killed about half of this years wine production from the famous Bordoux region of France. Looks like just inviting Al Gore Wannabes is enough to induce the “Gore Effect”.
We, in France, do not want your rejects. We have enough of our own, thank you.
On ne veux pas vos merdes. On a déjà assez, merci bien.
mauvaise adresse. dire Macron.
Bad address to tell Macron ?
Talking to Kindergarten.
“Stephen Richards on May 10, 2017 at 12:15 pm
Stephen Richards on May 10, 2017 at 12:15 pm
Bad address to tell Macron ”
______________________________
please understand
Bad address !
go tell Macron !
We won’t send you our rejects. These are our finest scientists. Just ask them and their peers. Even a Nobel prize “winner” tossed in for good measure. Get ready, as the new budget will probably not support their continued employment as climate scientists. A list of candidates will be provided at your request. /sarc
https://youtu.be/w4baPNTjKKA
Stephen, do something about it – get your towel – Hans
https://youtu.be/67MorQBFaIk
I really needed a redaction of min. 12 reasonable journalists to bring clear climate overhead.
After all I’m barely paying myself – wuwt style.
” Stephen Richards on May 10, 2017 at 1:13 am
We, in France, do not want your rejects. We have enough of our own, thank you.
On ne veux pas vos merdes. On a déjà assez, merci bien.”
–> wuwt is the wrong adress. Go tell it to the mountains!
Steven said “On ne veux pas vos merdes. On a déjà assez, merci bien.”
My answer: wuwt is the wrong adress. Go tell it to the mountains!
“We do not want your shit. We already have enough, thank you very much. “
Let us see if Macron is really EU fanatic. There are hundreds of migrants waiting on Italy to go in France.
Now the “borders” (that doesn’t exist for the EU supporters) are closed, I hope that Macron will be so EU fanatic to open it!
No doubt Macron sees those as potential Macron voters for the future.
Macron is merely a willing player to the ultimately destructive to France reincarnation of the German First World War aim of creating a Mitteleuropa, conceived before the war, and detailed in Fritz Fischer’s “Germany’s Aims in the the First World War”, see chapter 8.
Delbruck, Secretary of State in the Reich Interior Office, summarized it thus : “…in future the free play of forces is to reign in most respects throughout the great area, from the Pyrenees to Memel, from the Black Sea to the North Sea, from the Mediterranean to the Baltic… “.
While Germany thought it going to achieve quick victory this concept of a Mitteleuropa grew into a system binding the conquered nations into an economically dependent, currency regulated, protected trade, entity under the tutelage and economic dominance of Imperial Germany.
The bad news for our American readers was that the United States was identified specifically as one of the powers in the world with which the Reich was in a social Darwinist struggle on the world stage.
While history never repeats itself exactly you can see a clear line to where we are today and what started as a European co-operative zone has gradually transformed into an EU/MITTELEUROPA increasingly dominated by Germany and those riding its coat tails in the mistaken belief it will end well. Meanwhile Germany flouts all the economic regulations which are meant to restrain the dominance of any one country while destroying the prosperity and independence of any junior partner daring to protest. It has smashed Greece, its policies are creating tradgedy in Italy and Greece and the Balkans, and I wonder what is in store for the U.K.
Very nicely illustrated MCoEA.
We can only guess what’s in store for the UK however, there are some realities the EU must face up to.
Whilst Germany represents (roughly speaking) 30% of GDP of the EU, France is around 20% and the UK 20%. The remaining 30% is distributed amongst the remaining 25 EU countries. Say Italy represents 5%, that’s well below 1% of GDP for each remaining country, many of whom receive considerable funds from EU coffers.
In my experience, any business (and the EU is, after all just a big business) taking a 20% hit to it’s turnover overnight, is in deep trouble.
Moreover, the City of London owns financial services within the EU, and that is a truly global operation, not EU centric as many would have us believe. Despite all the ‘plans’ and threats of a mass exodus from the UK to the continent by banking, where will they get the skills from? No other city in Europe represents more than a microcosm of the City and uprooting enough people from the UK to mount a challenge to the City in Europe just isn’t a credible option.
I can’t recall a time since the UK entered the Common Market when the EU was playing overt political games, issuing veiled threats and attempting to undermine our democratic system, on such a scale as it has since the Brexit referendum.
Brussels is running scared, and if they’re not, they are blind, and should be.
The Greeks ruined their country all by themselves.
Well, the Olympics helped.
MCoEA and HotScot,
Thanks for the insights!
There’s some truly innovative folks here in the UK they can have – innovators in inventing new taxes, creative ways & excuses for ramping up existing taxes, that sort of thing.
Also innovative ways of spying and snooping on people, their phone calls, emails, texts, website viewings, what TV they watch and not least where they are all the time in their cars and how fast they’re going.
From experience, major innovation is needed in how they can add the word ‘penalty’ to every page of every document they send to England’s farmers. S
eems to me that that one is pretty saturated but hey ho, innovation and technology is our future. Even skeptics say that…..
London is reckoned to be France’s sixth largest city with estimates varying between 90,000 and 400,000 French expats living in England’s capital.
French population is well distributed in small to medium size town on terrain 2.5 times the size of the UK. Large cities are few (large by UK standards) Sixth largest is not difficult to achieve. All but one of the french people I know are polite and friendly. Just dont go to FN areas if you dont speak french.
Oh no ! Pity! We do not want them! Keep them at home !
France is the new north korea, they are blocking websites and content like there is no tomorrow. France has the most repressive laws in the western world. From speech to thought to literally anything the government doesn’t like, they can just shut it down.
France is more becoming Vichy France again, who’d have “thunk” it
and like the US, Israel and Saudi Arabia has more say over French foreign policy than french voters.
Not just delusional, but bigoted as well.
Heh – if any US climate scientists *do* move to France, make sure they sign away their US citizenship as they walk on the plane…we don’t want them back.
Many American have given up the citizenship in france because the US government insists they pay to US and the French to France. Hence two great chunks of tax.
Eric (+ Anthony), Thanks for maintaining a regular stream of good posts – I visit WUWT as often as I can and have learnt many things that I had no clue about, despite 4 years of undergraduate thermodynamics, heat transfer, air/water systems, solar radiation, applied maths and statistics. However, IMHO this post and the comments really do nothing for WUWT. From what I have seen here there are lots of quality climate scientists in the US and the rest of the world – are these the scientists you notionally want to export to France or do you want the rent seekers only to go? I just can’t see the real point of the post.
What’s 1 hard working man but 4 Eyes.
Astonishing news.
Tell us – another day.
Maybe you need 6 Eyes ??
Just having a little fun, 4 Eyes. Even serious scientists need to have a little fun.
We want only the worse than worthless “climate scientists” like Karl, Hansen, Schmidt, Trenberth, Mann, Overpeck, et al to leave the US. The few good ones, ie real climatologists, rather than GIGO computer gamers, are welcome to remain here. Schmidt and Trenberth aren’t even Americans.
Wow. We’ve offended 4 Eyes.
I’m crushed.
You have to wonder just exactly what Macron thinks Trump can do to these alamists. Obviously, not only is Macron ignorant about climate science, he knows from nothing about the lives of scientists.
“You have to wonder just exactly what Macron thinks Trump can do to these alamists.”
Macron isn’t worrying about what Trump is going to do, he is just waving his virtue flag. Can’t you see how reasonable he is being as compared to Trump when it comes to CAGW? That’s his aim.
No doubt it is a white flag.
Climate change global warming has become deeply embedded in the french psyche. We are taxed massively through green lies. 20% on all energy VAT (TVA) then taxed again for “pollution”. Cars are taxed for 10 years by a CO2 showroom tax. I discuss AGW with fonctionnaires and that’s a nightmare but most french in my circle believe deeply in man made global warming.
Nothing will change until the EU dies and I’m afraid that may never happen. Too much money around. Soros may decide to fund some nutty students in paris to kick off the ’68 riots again but that will end in just a lot more bloodshed and an EU army on French soil. We shot ourselves in the foot at this election.
“Thanks to Brexit, the days of English speaking countries subsidising the French are over.”
Actually, the entire EU Common Agricultural Policy (CAP) was designed, by France, for the purpose of subsidising France.
After WW I, the French insisted on massive war reparations from Germany which resulted in hyperinflation in Germany, followed by destruction of its middle class, and led indirectly to the rise of Hitler and WW II. After WW II the French had learned their lesson and did not insist of massive financial reparations. Instead they designed the CAP in which countries with efficient agricultural systems subsidised those with inefficient systems – and France took good care to ensure that their agriculture largely consisted of small, relatively inefficient farms. So instead of war reparations, France ended up with Germany paying them massive amounts, year after year after year, but under the CAP. Clever, huh?
Then Britain joined the EU in 1971 (it was called the European Common Market then) with its efficient agricultural system and found it too would have to subsidise France. This occasioned some friction, because as the ungrateful Brits were quick to point out, they were on France’s side in the war and had no need to pay war reparations to anyone, let alone France.
Alas, poor France. When Britain leaves they are going to have to struggle on without Britain’s ongoing CAP subsidy to them.
Most of France’s power is from nuclear, so they really have nothing much to do with respect to carbon reduction, except make loud noises about doing it.
By means of digesting cassoulet?
But the bill for keeping their aging nuclear running is proving high… EDF needs propping up by the govt if it is to complete renovation needed (and it can’t get its new design of reactor up and running).
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-07/french-nuclear-woes-spur-bull-market-for-european-power-prices
https://www.icis.com/resources/news/2016/12/29/10066294/the-french-nuclear-outages-of-2016-the-backstory/
France increasingly imports power from Germany.
Still, the target is now 23% renewables by 2020, Macron is promising to support and roll out more renewables and has advanced the date for French coal plant shut down to 2023.
Only this week 3 new schemes for supporting renewables have been agreed…
http://www.power-technology.com/news/newseuropean-commission-endorses-three-french-renewable-energy-initiatives-5806597
Griff,
France has failed to modernize its nuclear plants, so is now paying the price. Hollande is to blame. Phasing out nuclear power is idiotic. No surprise from a brain-dead Socialist.
Still, French consumers enjoy the lowest power prices in Europe and often export energy. That will change unless and until French voters wake up and start building modern plants, such as the South Korean designs.
So how many nuclear plants has the US brought online in the last 20 years?
How many is it planning?
How many is it closing?
How is Westinghouse’s nuclear division going?
Nuclear is a too expensive option and outside a few massive state programmes, going nowhere
And exports to Germany, UK, Italy, Spain, Belgium Luxembourg. France is shutting nuclear. 50% by 2025. Soon the whole of Europe will blackout except for Germany who are just building more and more lignite stations and pumping their smoke across Europe. The rest of Europe believe banning diesels is the solution to German power smoke and the UK thinks that diesel is the solution to their energy gap.
All in all there are an awful lot of escapees from lunatic asylums in powerful positions.
I dont believe our prices are now the lowest. The government has continually raised taxes and prices. I need to check.
I wonder how long Germany will maintain Griff’s vaunted grid stability, once France no longer has excess power to sell.
Stephen, Germany completed all the coal power plants in its programme. No more will be built: there’s a modest list of small plants to close in next few years.
Half of Germany’s last 8 nuclear plants have been off at same time early this year -no ill effects
Griff,
Germany still has 100% fossil plant power, even if they shut down the remaining nuclear plants. They already have 100% wind and solar power installed if these deliver 100% capacity (50/40 GW wind/solar), but the reality is between 10% and 90%, average less than 20% (2016: wind 13.1%, solar 5.9%). That is a huge problem for them. Several weeks in January this year they have had 10% of nameplate capacity of wind because of a persistent high pressure system above most of Europe. Solar anyway has maximum 10% of nameplate capacity in winter due to the low solar angle with peak demand after sunset…
Thus you need either a full backup by “conventional” power plants or a gigantic storage of energy readily convertible into grid power. European wide that means about 800 times the current pumped hydro storage or some 600 Tesla batteries per household…
Indeed currently France is importing power from Germany and other countries, because many nuclear plants are shut down for inspection, as several in Belgium were last year. Once that is over, they will export again.
Current CO2-equivalent emissions per kWh:
Germany: 401 g
France: 65 g (even with 1 out of 3 nuclear reactors shut down)
If you don’t want CO2 emissions, then nuclear is the way to go…
See: https://www.electricitymap.org/?wind=false&solar=false&page=country&countryCode=FR
and click on any country or province.
Recently the US and a few Canadian provinces were added…
Hlaford, we’re doing here /US/FBI/CIA –
all that pays is
https://youtu.be/wlCAq45TcxU
At least one French scientist is quite honest.
“Paul Reiter’s Damning Assessment Of The IPCC”
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2017/05/08/paul-reiters-damning-assessment-of-the-ipcc/
Champagner taxes: why germany
won the lost wars:
https://www.google.at/amp/s/amp.focus.de/finanzen/steuern/verbrauchsteuern/sektsteuer-der-finanzminister-feiert-mit_aid_27280.html
The dumb black zero + his brain eroded master Chancellor :
Invent a tax and live a long live.
Paul Reiter is British which may explain it but probably not as most of ours are quite as bad.
Does anyone besides me wonder if Macron can really cough up a half trillion for a silly windmill experiment in the Arctic?
Personally, I don’t think they’d last long. The best food can be found where les caminoniers park for le dejeuner. And I don’t think the French fermiers would welcome their nonsense, but that’s just me.
Not only do the French have plenty of nuclear generation they export much of their CO2 as bubbles in champagne and Evian.
So if these climate alarmist-“scientists” go to France, does that place them in a category of “Climate Refugees”?
Perhaps a new category: Climate Scientist Refugees.
Monsieur Macron – Please take the pervert Bill Nye. His latest show on Netflix makes me fear for our children. Maybe he can stop the nightly car burning in France that is adding to CO2 levels and “Changement climatique”.
Burning cars is a form of celebration dont you know ;))
The message is clear: France like people how can form a new climate in a innovative way.
You have proven to be very innovative so far-is the message!
All European politicians like to think they are leading the world. Doesn’t matter to where they are leading just as long as they are leading. Have you noticed that? Macron believes he will become very popular in the EU if he can snag some US climate cheats in the same way that short arse hollande though he would snag some UK financiers.
Don’t worry about the cost. Brussels will just add it in to the other budget incinerates when sending the tab to EU members. They won’t mind. sarc
….budget increases….
incinerating budgets presents an attractive visual
Actually, the French are more worried about polluting their language and culture than climate change.
I found that true in Paris, but most everyone else was very tolerant of my butchering of their language.
Butchering their language by a tourist on a short term visit is not what concerns them right now.
yeah. Being butchered by the long staying, overseas welfare clients should have been a bigger worry.
Chirac ordered all TV stations to remove English from their titles. Didn’t work.
Yes, and don’t let the door hit you. Regarding transport, though, rather than using “carbon-intensive” airplanes, what about a giant, planet-friendly trebuchet?
Or a raft perhaps …
http://www.louvre.fr/en/oeuvre-notices/raft-medusa