Via email from Dr. Roy Spencer:
Shots fired at Christy/Spencer building
FYI, apparently sometime after a March for Science went past our building at UAH, 7 shots were fired and hit the floor John Christy is on. (I’m in a different part of the same building). No witnesses. I’m assuming late night Saturday or Sunday.
It seems pretty obvious this was a message being sent. If fired from a pistol, all shots hitting the same floor seems to suggest deliberate aim.
I doubt any media have covered it yet. I doubt the police have even written a report yet. From what I’ve heard, it sounds like the police believe the shots were fired from a passing car, and some shell casings were recovered, as well as fragments of bullets inside the building. You can quote me.
The office of the state climatologist (Dr. John Christy) is in building 7
We’ll update as this story develops.
UPDATE1: Dr. Spencer writes on his blog:
A total of seven shots were fired into our National Space Science and Technology Center (NSSTC) building here at UAH over the weekend.
All bullets hit the 4th floor, which is where John Christy’s office is (my office is in another part of the building).
Given that this was Earth Day weekend, with a March for Science passing right past our building on Saturday afternoon, I think this is more than coincidence. When some people cannot argue facts, they resort to violence to get their way. It doesn’t matter that we don’t “deny global warming”; the fact we disagree with its seriousness and the level of human involvment in warming is enough to send some radicals into a tizzy.
Our street is fairly quiet, so I doubt the shots were fired during Saturday’s march here. It was probably late night Saturday or Sunday for the shooter to have a chance of being unnoticed.
Maybe the “March For Science” should have been called the “March To Silence”.
UPDATE2: Dr. Spencer writes via email:
Local news reports that UAH police have classified this as a “random shooting”. So, the seven Belgian 5.7 millimeter bullets which hit windows and bricks around John Christy’s office from 70 yards away were apparently deemed to be “random” occurrence. (Despite my personal defense training, I probably would have struggled to get that tight a “random” cluster with a semi-automatic pistol.) News story:Nothing to see here, move along.
Marc Morano notes:
Imagine if there had been a big skeptics March near Penn State and Michael Mann’s offices had similar type “random” shooting. Would the media and Mann have said nothing to see here?
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“I Will Be with You” (Maranatha Singers)
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God bless you Janice … – Phil
Thank you, Phil. Take care, down there.
Investigate. Infiltrate. Incarcerate.
Incinerate.
I hope they had a CCTV system and can obtain some visual evidence. I am sure there will be some social media leads too.
Oppression and bullying in climate science is now at new heights…
If it was someone who works in the same building, they would know where the security cameras are and are not.
A coworker would also know what floor they work on.
ossqss
April 24, 2017 at 11:46 am
There is superb mobile phone tracking and identifying devices that can do and achieve results, especially when the mobiles of the idiots involved were off for the apparent occasion….
cheers
Sadly, it really is worse than we thought.
What’s really telling and sad is that someone fired shots into a school building and it didn’t even make the local news.
I can’t get a single hit on a Google News search. Sometimes it’s actually good not to give other degenerates the idea of copy catting.
Even now, all I see via Google are articles from Breitbart and the Daily Caller.
Roy Spencer has a link to http://whnt.com/2017/04/24/multiple-shots-fired-into-uah-building-over-the-weekend/
Some safe places are more safe than others.
Like I say, all the signs of a cult are there, every single one and they all fit the description exactly. This is just another example of them truly believing any means justifies the ends. Be safe, we’ve gone from scientific discourse an effort to enact the Climate Inquisition, and it’s sadly no joke.
Defense of AGWer co-conspirators: Oh, but, we were only following orders…… yeah……. that’s the ticket…….orders our….. our, uh, our models projected for us. The models told us that we were aiming at a sand dune…… where………. where a giant centipede was about to eat a………a……….. a baby polar bear.
*****************
Yes. I realize this is NOT a laughing matter. My humor is intended to be biting satire designed to expose how e v i l the AGWers really are.
The High Priests of the Climate Doom movement should be held accountable, at least metaphorically. The blame must be laid at their feet for the narrative they weave how evil those are who don’t agree with them.
They deliberately incite those prone to violence to this end. This is absolutely reprehensible.
At some point, we have to recognize that this isn’t a whole lot different than the evil Imam whose call to arms and killing or intimidating for those who are the great satan and/or don’t adhere to their faith, is terrorism. Plain and simple. “Oceans are boiling” and “cattle are being burnt alive”. Talk like that is inciting violence and at some point, it becomes terrorism, as is evident by this news.
What about 350.org? Making videos about blowing up global warming doubters.
And where was the Manniac?
In the recent article and video of deGrasse, he purposefully speaks like a preacher. A religious preacher. Speaking in this manner will have a greater impact on a lot of citizens. The devil worshippers, or skeptics are a threat to democracy. Others also make similar calls for action on silencing skeptics.
Using “the Science” the same way a minister would use “the Word of God”.
Does this really surprise anyone? In good fascist tradition, followers of AGW have been given a socially-acceptable target upon which to vent their hatred, and a noble-cause rational to justify it. And contrary to popular Progressive opinion, THAT’s how Hitler did it.
OMG Think of all the CO2 that was released… and that 7 times. The horror!
The perpetrator should be very ashamed. How insensible of him.
Although it is a reasonable theory that this was a threat specifically directed at those who insist on interpreting our understanding of the drivers of climate change according to scientific methods rather than religion, it is perhaps too soon to be drawing any conclusions. If we skeptics want to preserve a reputation of integrity we should probably wait till more is known.
Seven bullets hit the target. What could that target be Andrew patellofemoral wonders
Why this spellchecker does this grr. andrewpatullo I was typing.
This act has the earmarks of a hate crime, and should be investigated as such.
This is not good on any level… but…
….Maybe it was a bunch of idiots (with no interest in where their bullets went) doing dumb stuff late at night with guns that are freely available in the US.
….Or maybe it was a fringe nutter who has it in for Christy and his ideas. (Yes they exist … “nutters”…on both sides of this debate)
….What it is not (as much as the haters here want to believe), is an act, that would be endorsed by people who peacefully marched on that Saturday.
So, just an idea, perhaps it would be sensible to wait and see what the police find before hanging anyone. Just saying….
Simon, I know your attitudes too well, and you are in no position to counsel us. Your messages are of hate and deceit, and of no value. But it is true that the threats and violence against free speech come from your side. Indeed, i have seen you issuing them. Git ye gone.
Where I was raised, the idiots restricted themselves to shooting traffic signs. I’m not sure I have ever met anyone deranged enough to discharge a firearm in city limits.
Way off topic: What’s going on with NINO3.4? It seems to be bouncing back just as fast as it came down.
How does that compare with the aftermath of prior Super El Ninos?
I’m having trouble finding a graph for 1998 that is directly comparable with the current BOM graph.
So where are all the liberal socialists denouncing it ?? Even YOU did not denounce it in your silly rant !
Guns are not freely available in the US. Everyone has to go through a background check in order to buy one from a dealer.
50 years ago, you could buy guns mail order, and many schools had shooting clubs. Kids would bring their guns with them to school in order to participate.
And despite the fascist fantasies of some, the kids managed to not shoot each other on a regular basis. In fact gun violence was way lower than it is today. (Violence of all kinds was way lower as well.)
‘What it is not (as much as the haters here want to believe), is an act, that would be endorsed by people who peacefully marched on that Saturday.’
Oh, Heaven’s no – they just bait it up and enable it.
And, of course, supply lots of apologist excuses to exonerate themselves from any culpability or blame, no matter HOW obvious.
I find it fascinating how those on the left always declare that those who disagree with them are the haters.
Yeah, they hate those haters don’t they? I wonder if they left their #$#@ur momisugly% cigarettes at the bar.
An act of hypocrisy, of course, but again, a standard method of providing a socially acceptable target for hatred. We’ll CALL them something worthy of hatred (never mind if it’s true or not).
I agree.
PS: I don’t mean to imply that I agree that the people here are haters, just that the marchers are not would-be shooters.
From the signs I’ve seen, a lot of the marchers have enough hate to do something like this.
Nutters on both sides of this debate…
Sorry, I’ve only heard of people on your side who claim to be messiahs. At least they will be sure to take care of the children and grandchildren of those they shoot. After all, they claim to be doing it for them, not for their planet-sized egos and political entitlements.
Would you say the same thing if someone had fired shots into Michael Mann’s building, for example?
“Would you say the same thing if someone had fired shots into Michael Mann’s building, for example?”
Of course I would. I find senseless gutless violence like this totally unacceptable. I am saying let’s wait and see who did this (not that it really matters what side they are on, they deserve to go inside) and when we find out, deal with them accordingly.
Truth is we don’t know who did this and all the pitch fork stuff here is “jumping the gun” so to speak.
Or firebombed and destroyed property at the ‘peaceful protest against an invited right wing speaker at Berkley. That couldn’t be Democrats could it Simon. You ideologues don’t have the decency to ever go against your tribe no matter how heinous some (many? it seems to be developing into) behave.
Your shamelessness won’t be forgotten here. To excuse an obvious act of hatred and criminal. Oh, and your friends aren’t against Dr. Christy’s “ideas” they are against some of the best science being practised in this subject that has been corrupted by Democrats.
I’ve advised lefty friends of mine that the party they follow is no longer the one they think it is. Only the name of it survives. But, I see there is no point in engaging the likes of you.
Gary Pearse
Firstly I am not an American and I couldn’t give a damn about your political bias.
Second, I am not a lefty or a righty as you would put it. I’ve voted both. My point, which seems lost in your one eyed pitch fork fury, is I don’t condone anyone doing this, and nor should any thinking human being. Not left, right, black, white, gay or straight… well you get the idea. So here is a question for you. Would you share my disapproval and call for justice if the same had been done to Michael Mann?
Gary
“I’ve advised lefty friends of mine that the party they follow is no longer the one they think it is. Only the name of it survives. But, I see there is no point in engaging the likes of you.”
So you think the Party Trump now heads is true to the founding ideals of the Republican party? Just curious.
Simon surprise, I’m not American either. And you are correct, Trump isn’t a typical Republican. Indeed, part of the swamp he’s trying to drain has included Washington establishment Repubs.
Even I find it deliciously ironic that this guy, who could never be a friend of mine, is going to be the one to save America and the rest of the world from a totalit@®¿an rule by Champaign soshulists. Like biologists saving the Nile crocodile while the crocs are snapping at their @§§e’s he’ll be saving yours too.
Re Michael Mann, this kind of ridiculous question is an example of the new lefty’s psychological transference tendency and the expected imputing of motives to someone who has just called you out on this kind of thing (although, thank you for tidying up your previous equivocal statement on the act. Perhaps you’ll be easier to save than I thought ) .
You buy into the debunked CAGW theory on highly suspect and not very convincing evidence. Indeed, the projections of the theory give 3 to 4 times the trend of actual observations. Has it been warming? Yes, for 350yrs from a time when the Thames froze over regularly, the Atlantic froze thickly all the way down the New Jersey coast (General Washington’s men rolled cannons over it from Manhattan under the noses of the British Garrison in NY), the Bosphorus also froze over, one third of Finns died of starvation from crop failure, thousand year old villages in the lower Valleys of Switzerland were crushed by glaciers that had descended down from alpine valleys.
How did it get so cold? Well, in the Medieval Warm Period, temperatures were warmer than now, permitting settling and farming in Greenland, cropping of rye, raising of sheep and cattle. Scotland had a winery industry! The descent into the Little Ice Age froze the Norse out of Greenland and many off the farmstead are still buried under ice. Do you see where this all going?
I am a scientist and engineer. I studied paleoclimate as a geology student in the 1950s so I dont take my cues from partisan politics and kumbaya associations. I have many more bits that I could share with you, but if what I have told you here doesn’t twig your interest to follow up on it, what’s the use.
In contrast, remember the phony death-threat-to-warmist-climatologists flap in Australia. I think there were one or two other phony-threat claims from warmists too. (E.g., rude emails that were classified as death threats.) Does anyone here recall the details?
A summary here;
https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2015/11/whos-killing-climate-scientists/
(Here’s an old one…)
To the tune of “Stuck in the Middle with You”
Well I don’t know why I caused such a fright,
I had the feeling that something ain’t right,
I made a scare of some emails out there,
And I’m wondering how my rep now will fare,
Clowns to the left of me,
Jokers to the right, here I am,
Stuck in Yamal on a yew.
Yes I’m stuck in Yamal on a yew,
The “threats” were against kangaroos,
It’s so hard to keep this egg off my face,
Yeah, “Someone invaded their space,”?
Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right,
Here I am, stuck in Yamal on a yew.
We should employ the use of computer models to answer such questions as: “Who fired the shots?, … What was the intent of the shooter?, …”
I’m sure a good computer model would determine that the shots fired were directly linked to tiny rises in the parts-per-million CO2 concentration — you know, leading to increases in global average temperature that have created such stressful climatic conditions, causing usually sane minds to go temporarily insane, leading to episodes of heretofore not witnessed acts of catastrophic stupidity.
I truly believe that increased levels of CO2 have led to increased levels of stupidity, but NOT due to climate stress, as computer models might have us believe. Rather, elevated CO2 levels have merely elevated into view a strange excuse to blame human beings as evil.
Given such realizations of evil, therefore, the shooter (fully embracing his/her own philosophy) would have done better to unload those bullets into him/her self, since he/she is a nasty, carbon-based entity polluting the earth by merely walking on it, and breathing out the trashy CO2 breath that regulates his/her sordid respiration.
I hope this is some random act of violent stupidity, and not from a participant in that goofy march.
PaulH-All you guys downplaying the incident “protesteth too much” . Decency demands you be able to criticize an act of hatred and criminal endangerment that is considerably less in doubt than corrupted climate science. The IPCC would even be forced to give the incident attribution (7 shots at 60yards with a light bullet all slamming into the fourth floor where one of the nation’s most prominent sceptical scientists works along a marching route of CAGW zealots), “highly likely”. Shame. I thought many of you guys to be merely badly informed political partisans worthy of educating in the good reasons for dissenting on crisis climate. But no, you are dyed in the wool tribal supporters of an ugly ideology. I expect Dems lost and will continue to lose decent folks from their party as this violence continues to unfold.
I wonder if the gunman is a friend of people who shoot at power substations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metcalf_sniper_attack
Take it as an unconventional tribute to your good work, keep it up.
I am assuming that this investigation is being handled by the UAH Police. Their daily activity log only reports through Sat. 4/22 as of now. Since the only reported incident in the past 10 days was a bicycle theft, a drive-by shooting would rate as a big deal. Hopefully they are receiving some assistance in the investigation.
Thanks for that great reporting, Windsong.
According the Dr. Spencer, the UAH police have already concluded it was “random.” Such a hasty, highly implausible (given the evidence), conclusion makes it clear that they NEED a more experienced, investigatively skilled, police agency to give them a hand, here.
The log as of about 10 minutes ago added this:
(Source: http://www.uah.edu/images/administrative/police/Logs/crime-fire/cr0417.pdf )
At least it’s still “open.” (eye roll)
I took the virtual tour of UAH but it didn’t include Cramer Hall. Nor could I ID it on Google Earth.
This is the trajectory of fascism.
Kristallnacht is coming closer.
Arm and prepare.
5.7mm is an unusual caliber to use in the US.
“High powered, Armour piercing round”
http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/fn-herstal-five-seven-5-7x28mm-pistol/
Butch, the article has a few good this but, it’s mainly crap. 5.7X28, is essentially a .22LR, nothing more.
High-powered, compared to what?
http://cj.supraspeed.com/Pics/Weapons/PistolPowerComparison.jpg
Well, I have no expertise on guns…..To me, you put a bullet in, press the trigger, and a bullet comes out…LOL
SMC
Even a well placed .22LR can eliminate your foe. Just hit in between the iris and nose bridge and it will travel through the sphenoidal fissure, along the path of the optic nerve, and bounce around inside the cranium.
Butch, small nit. You put a cartridge in.
High Energy not High Power; Energy is \latex$E = m * V^{2}$, where power is \latex$P = m * V$. The debate over the effectiveness of High Energy vs. High Power is a quagmire.
Should have been,
, where power is$\latex P = m * V$
Paul, what’s the difference?
Honest question, I would like to know.
yes, I was surprised to see that, too. Was expecting 9mm or something similar.
Roy Spencer April 24, 2017 at 2:29 pm
I found this link.
I never heard of it before. It maybe rare enough to trace.
michael
http://armedforcesmuseum.com/belgiums-fn-five-seven-semi-automatic-pistol/
Roy Spencer April 24, 2017 at 2:29 pm
Doc this is no Saturday night special.
One of the big firearm storms here in AZ list it for $1,299
michael
According to WIki, it’s a ground up design, not a wildcat of an existing center-fire cartridge. Also, both the handgun and rifle use the same round, 5.7mm x 28mm, so it’s not possible to tell from the case which was used in this instance. As pointed out under Update 2, a group at 70 yards would be quite a feat for a handgun unless using match ammo and a rest. For a rifle, all in a day’s work.
Depends on the size of the group. I would expect a semi competent shooter to hit a room sized target, say 20LongX10high feet, with a decent pistol and ammo at 70 yards. If we’re talking say 5″ grouping… yeah, that would be a rifle.
FN P90 isn’t a rifle. The 5.7mm is clearly a pistol cartridge. P90 is a submachine gun, billed as a Personal Defense Weapon. It can’t reasonably be considered an assault rifle, since the cartridge is too low-powered. Assault rifles use lower-powered cartridges than the bolt action rifles of yore, but are still in the rifle energy range. The 5.7mm has a rifle-like muzzle velocity, thanks to its small bullet, but its energy can’t compete, again due to small mass.
The 5.7x28mm with its lightest bullet produces 400 ft-lbs of energy (the highest). The 5.56x45mm NATO (.223 cal) round with 62 grain bullet by contrast produces 1303 ft-lbs (not the highest).
Though lower-powered rounds are arguably deadlier against unarmored targets. Instead of a straight penetration, they’re more likely to stay inside the body and “pinball”, making a general mess of everything in their path.
Agreed re grouping. I have experience with both light caliber firearms. That grouping came from a rifle.
Do we know what the size of the grouping is?
All I’ve heard is that all the shots hit the 4th floor.
So when we hear climate alarmists talking about an ensemble of 26 models, what they mean is something like this:
Beretta
Glock
Sig Sauer
Sturm, Ruger & Co.
Heckler & Koch
Colt
Smith & Wesson
Springfield
Walther
FN Herschel
Browning
CZ
Taurus
Magnum
Dan Wesson
Barrett
Kel-Tec
Wilson Combat
Les Baer
Rock Island Armory
Luger
Kahr Arms
Charles Daly Firearms
AMT
Remington
Mauser
Who’d have thought in 100 days Trump would have turned the democrats round to being squarely behind the second amendment!?
Well, just for your record, I own:
3 Berettas, two shotguns and one .40 semi auto model 96
4 Sturm Rugers, 1 rifle and 3 revolvers
4 Colts. Two 1911 ACP, one that fought my godfather fought out of NC after having been shot down, one a competition grade from my uncle, one Secret Service .038 backup, and one .022 target comp. not to mention 2 ruger revolvef other 0.22s.
A bunch of Remington scopex rifles. Gosh, 2x .223, 3x,.308, 1x .306…
And all of this under double,lock and key, and used mainy in my privately owned firing range. Second Amendmend.
Nice collection Rudd!
I prefer, for all purpose useage, the Judge and Circuit Judge (tactical) with PDX1 and Colt long intermixed. Living in Florida can present many varied challenges, so just covering the most bases with one device from snakes to hogs keeps it simple.
Heh. There’s some snowflake reading your post, who just passed out from Progressive Correctness spasms.
My boss, is reading over my shoulder as I type, and he’s highly jealous of your collection.
A decade of scaring the crap out of people has instilled a great fear in many people, many of whom now equate climate skepticism with the Holocaust.
Every act to stop it becomes justifiable.
..It is amazing how intolerant and destructive the “tolerant” left has become….JFK, a true Democrat, would be sickened ….!
“..It is amazing how intolerant and destructive the “tolerant” left has become….”
Leaders on the Left have been preaching hate of their political opponents for a very long time, but it has never been as bad as recent times. For example, we just went through eight years with a radical, divisive, extremely partisan president, so it shouldn’t be a surprise that divisiveness has increased. It happened for a reason.
Preaching hate is bound to spur some really sick psychopaths to violent action. They hear a celebrity or a famous politician promoting violence against someone and the psychopath takes that as permission to act out the violent tendencies they have always felt deep down inside. Suddenly they have a purpose and a target because someone they look up to told them it was ok to satisfy their inner violent desires and it was the right thing to do. This works equally well on radical Leftist, and radical Islamist psychopaths. They get to act out their violent tendencies while serving a “higher” purpose.
The Left is practicing the inciting of the mob, and that tends to stir up the really crazy people in those groups to acts of violence. Leftwing rauble rousers and race baiters and hate mongers should share in the blame and punishment for any violence they inspire. They have been working overtime lately.
I agree entirely – and it’s difficult to understand how it’s not more obvious – but, when you get right down to it, it’s baiting a crowd that already agrees with them.