Via email from Dr. Roy Spencer:
Shots fired at Christy/Spencer building
FYI, apparently sometime after a March for Science went past our building at UAH, 7 shots were fired and hit the floor John Christy is on. (I’m in a different part of the same building). No witnesses. I’m assuming late night Saturday or Sunday.
It seems pretty obvious this was a message being sent. If fired from a pistol, all shots hitting the same floor seems to suggest deliberate aim.
I doubt any media have covered it yet. I doubt the police have even written a report yet. From what I’ve heard, it sounds like the police believe the shots were fired from a passing car, and some shell casings were recovered, as well as fragments of bullets inside the building. You can quote me.
The office of the state climatologist (Dr. John Christy) is in building 7
We’ll update as this story develops.
UPDATE1: Dr. Spencer writes on his blog:
A total of seven shots were fired into our National Space Science and Technology Center (NSSTC) building here at UAH over the weekend.
All bullets hit the 4th floor, which is where John Christy’s office is (my office is in another part of the building).
Given that this was Earth Day weekend, with a March for Science passing right past our building on Saturday afternoon, I think this is more than coincidence. When some people cannot argue facts, they resort to violence to get their way. It doesn’t matter that we don’t “deny global warming”; the fact we disagree with its seriousness and the level of human involvment in warming is enough to send some radicals into a tizzy.
Our street is fairly quiet, so I doubt the shots were fired during Saturday’s march here. It was probably late night Saturday or Sunday for the shooter to have a chance of being unnoticed.
Maybe the “March For Science” should have been called the “March To Silence”.
UPDATE2: Dr. Spencer writes via email:
Local news reports that UAH police have classified this as a “random shooting”. So, the seven Belgian 5.7 millimeter bullets which hit windows and bricks around John Christy’s office from 70 yards away were apparently deemed to be “random” occurrence. (Despite my personal defense training, I probably would have struggled to get that tight a “random” cluster with a semi-automatic pistol.) News story:Nothing to see here, move along.
Marc Morano notes:
Imagine if there had been a big skeptics March near Penn State and Michael Mann’s offices had similar type “random” shooting. Would the media and Mann have said nothing to see here?
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Could it be the peaceful, tolerant and respectful left?
Why anyone would be associated with that political party is beyond me…….
The police must be in on it.
Only those officers with the required “Lightning Bolt” SS lapel pins
Hm.
Facts:
1. The campus police (which is the only agency on the job, so far as we know) are under the control of UAH administrators.
2.
(Source: http://www.uah.edu/registrar/commencement )
Not “in on it,” but, motivated to downplay it.
Steven, has it really come to pass that you no longer have anything intelligent to say?
There is a vast amount of possible reasons behind that shooting.
I think we should leave speculations to climate scientists.
I can’t think of even a single ” justifiable reason.”
You don’t need a PhD in Planetary Science to know that a projectile fired upwards in an elliptical orbit, at less than escape velocity, will eventually intercept something solid long before it ever reaches perigee on the other side of the earth’s center. And even an idiot, would probably stop well before trying it seven times.
This kind of intimidation; of respectable Scientists who try to give us a realistic source of data on some climate aspect or other, is cause to regard the zealots, as the scumbags they truly are.
Hard for me to understand why Alabama Police would not be a bit more responsive. Somebody could easily have been hurt or killed.
G
Still, we don´t know.
Inductivism is one of the things to criticize with the proponents of the anthropogenic warming theory, I just think we shouldn´t turn to inductivism.
inductivism??…………bullcrap….7 shots in the same place is aimed
There is no doubt about that.
What we don´t know is if the shots was intended to scare Spencer and Christy.
What level of confidence would you assign to your assumption? IPCC has developed a guidance note that might be helpful to assign a level of confidence.
Guidance Note for Lead Authors of the IPCC Fifth Assessment Report on
Consistent Treatment of Uncertainties
Science or Fiction
April 24, 2017 at 1:37 pm and at 12:59 pm
RE: “What we don´t know is if the shots was intended to scare Spencer and Christy.”
1. Terrorists are not likely to consult the IPCC Fifth Assessment Report to improve their 7 shot groupings.
2. If someone lobbed 7 shots through your window, from inductive reasoning and with an appropriate confidence interval , would you be scared?
heh- well,there ya go.
facts not in evidence will be karlized to fit the narrative – no matter which tribe.
this is because somebody who belongs to a tribe is not in possession of himself.
the typical tribal drone is there because his own vast ignorance terrifies him and he craves affirmation.
so he’s easy prey for anybody who will tell him what to say, think, do.
blaspheme his tribal identity and for him it is an existential threat.
note what happened when i commented on kellyanne’s stupid ‘alternative facts’ that has become a seriously great meme for mockery. (and note that kellyanne is no longer the mouth on the talk circuit cuz of it – i.e., i was right and the hooting monkeys were blind to the obvious because they don’t dare risk disapproval – it would shatter their unstable and fragile self esteem – and they don’t have safe spaces and comfort puppies)
so yeah- this is not the place to argue reason. there are not many on the planet who can manage it and in a political arena, rationality is exceedingly sparse.
come on, then, flying monkeys- i disapproved first and i hope nobody likes it. deal.
Science or fiction, what the hell kind of chart is that? That chart is as stupid as the movie, “50 Shades of Gray”. Can you imagine parents going through a discussion of evidence versus confidence when the car keys AND the resident teen are AWOL? “Why my dear, it is just a random occurrence that both the care and the teen are gone and it is 2:00 AM.” And the idiot guy is just fine, in fact of marrying quality, though he has an arsenal of objects of torture in an upstairs room. Get real.
I agree that the chart is stupid. I was sarcastic. I don´t think the chart should be used within science. That is the chart applied by United Nations climate panel IPCC to express the confidence in their findings.
Science Fiction-So, but you don’t think there is a vast amount of reasons the climate warms and cools. Interesting. I’ll remember your ironic name and know not to waste time or logic on you. I can see detective work (which good science is) is beyond your Ken. All the 10s of thousands of firearm deaths on the streets of America have a vast number of explanations – this, in your mind makes murder a diminishingly small reason for any of them. It’s hard for a police force to ferret put those improbable murderers in your world. Defending this is shameful and stupid.
Science Fiction-So, but you don’t think there is a vast amount of reasons the climate warms and cools.
I actually do think there might be a significant number of reasons (natural variability) why the climate warms and cools. And I think IPCC should have done a better detective work.
I´m not defending the shooting. I just don´t know enough about it to conclude that it was eco terrorism aimed at Spencer and Christy.
Parabolic orbit.
I understand the joke Science, but in all reality this was an attack. It’s not pure coincidence that 7 bullets just happened to show up unannounced in Doctors Spencer and Christy’s office. As they say, “once is happenstance, twice is circumstance, three times is enemy action”. This is clearly enemy action.
I don’t want to sound superficial; I know you were making light of it, but it is worrisome. Bullets are nothing to casually ignore; Spencer an Christy are obviously at risk from radical eco-terrorists.
I wish I could offer more than condolences and my support. I appreciate their efforts but I never had any idea a simple scientific debate might lead to gunfire. It’s appalling.
I agree that there is a risk for eco terrorism, that Spencer and Christy are potential targets, and I agree that this might have been eco terrorism.
jorgekafkazar
April 24, 2017 at 6:51 pm Edit
> Parabolic orbit.
Only if the Earth is flat.
Think of it in terms of odds. On that particular day, someone fired rounds at the particular building, hitting an area around that particular office. So, yes, probably meant to make someone nervous, but that round at 70 yards ought to produce a pattern you can cover with a tuna can if the shooting were really aimed.
Duster: Depends entirely on the skill level of the shooter and how much time the shooter had to get the rounds off.
It’s not a parabolic orbit unless the apogee speed is equal to the escape velocity, around 25,000 MPH. That would be some gun.
The orbit is elliptical.
G
yeah…like didn’t know it was loaded 7 times….and all hit the same floor
…get real
Latitude:
Exacto mondo. This could not have been an accident. To be very honest, I’d have a hard time hitting the same floor of a building at that distance; it was obviously aimed fire.
“Could it be the peaceful, tolerant and respectful (and anti-gun) left?” The left is really hypocritical, not to mention, seriously deranged and apparently dangerous too.
It was ten hours after the damn march, genius. No one was even IN THE OFFICE. LMAO!! The ass probably shot the window himself. Losers.
[???? .mod]
REPLY to mod. – She is suggesting that Roy or John is the one who shot out the window, you see. (I withhold further comment.) ~ Evan
There were meteorologists staffing the NWS offices there 24×7, though they may not have noticed the shots.
Why are you laughing your ass off? Property damage at universities is okay? Mind if someone perforates your home? Let us know when you’ll be out and which windows you want to replace.
Oh, I know; Roy, craving additional notoriety, and being an excellent marksman with a pistol, shot up his own building…
The “moon landing was faked” is far more probable.
How do you know that no one was “in the office”?
I would definitely keep this IP address on file…
Another tolerant liberal heard from.
Carolyn, im not sure. Are you suggesting that Spencer and Christy are credible suspects?
carolyn p, I have an inquisitive mind, so many questions occur to me. Reading your comment I noticed the certainty of your declamations. I really would like to understand how it comes to pas that you know the time of the weapons fire and seem certain that the office was empty. Could you please enlighten us all?
I suspect more of this will come as the rhetoric ramps up. Its going to get worse after the comments about guns as posted in the other article.
The Earth Firsters have been committing terroristic acts that have the potential to kill people for years.
And the anti-technology Enviro-Luddite UNABOMBER:
Chimp, you left out “MK Ultra test subject”. I don’t know if it was a factor in his later mindset or what they did to him but it is interesting.
We can only hope that the family or others around this shooter have the grace and courage of Mr. K’s family and turn them in.
TRM,
Other events in his life could just as well have molded his mind, along with probable autism. People and buildings scared him. He was held in isolation in a hospital aged six months for eight months. His high IQ led to his skipping the sixth grade, which he himself felt affected him negatively, due to not fitting in and being bullied. Murray’s psychological “experiment” at Harvard couldn’t have helped, however.
Yet he managed to do well in grad school, in part because of his focus, producing a highly regarded PhD thesis. But at Berkeley, he was found unable to teach undergrads. That’s when he retired from society, aged 26.
“Its going to get worse after the comments about guns as posted in the other article.”
And of course, this will serve a dual purpose. It will not only serve to terrorize the victims, it will be used to disarm the people who would defend them. It works on so many levels.
These people are frightening not just because they’re willing to use violence, but because they’re intent on the total domination of our once free society.
The FN Five-seven is particularly hated by gun control supporters too. I’m suspicious that it was particularly chosen because of that. the round is very lethal and certain military version of the ammo is armorial piercing as well.
Thanks Paul, I appreciate the support.
I have been wondering when the ill-informed radical left nutters would do something like this. For them they truly believe they are saving the planet and sceptics must be stopped at all costs.
pbweather. You may be right. But don’t underestimate the perfidy and chicanery of the leftists. With their Marxist outlook, everything is war. Occupy Wall Street sprung up to defeat Romney in 2012 and it worked. The Occupy movement rapidly disappeared after Obama was elected. In the 2016 election, the left came up with Black Lives Matter (BLM). This time it didn’t work and Mr. Trump was elected President. Black Lives Matter is fading rapidly.
However, even if the BLM didn’t work and the election is over for now, the war must go on. Perhaps, it is time to make war against the climate “deniers”. Way past time for better, and unbiased, law enforcement.
“Way past time for better, and unbiased, law enforcement”
+ too many to count. Exactly right. When our law enforcement fails to prosecute this sort of aggression, our entire society runs a real risk of outright civil war. I can’t help but believe that is their intention and that’s truly scary.
It is really the Progressives. I had a Trump sign in my front picture window, and minutes after the election was called for Trump, someone came down the street and threw a rock through it ($700.00+). I was changing my sister-in-law who suffers from advanced Huntington’s Disease in front of it, and if it wouldn’t have been for my big “FREEDOM NOT OBAMANATION SIGN” backing up my Trump for President sign, it would have hit her or me. Look at the riots at Berkley to stop the free speech of people the Progressives don’t like. I read that they were considering carrying guns to the next riot, since their rocks, bottles, brass knuckles, and baseball bats weren’t effective enough.
The fact that many of them are now covering their faces is significant.
I believe this is evidence there is a militant faction in force. If we treat them like criminals *now* we should be able to avoid open armed conflict, but we can’t wait for it to get worse, because it will get worse.
We need to nip this in the bud if we still can and we’ll need the ful support of law enforcement. Trump’s proposal, that we engage the National Guard, is a good one. We can’t afford to let this escalate.
It’s no longer a preemptive action; it’s now a response to a military attack on the United States of America and needs to be dealt with in those terms.
All of leftism’s moral arguments end with “…at all costs.” and if you think about it, there’s nothing left to argue. It’s deal-breaker stuff, cuz a conservative or libertarian first response is “but at what cost?”
But to go after John Christy, man there are few his equal. Maybe that was the point. This is really awful.
The Church of Climate Change is a religion of peace.
…unless reality or science crosses them.
Or common sense.
Auto
The preferred method of winning a scientific discourse by leftists – kill the opposition
and you kill their arguments. And the leftists would be howling bloody murder if someone was dumb enough to take a pot shot at Al Gore, and demanding gun control at the same time.
A harpoon in Al’s case.
The left truly believe that “The End Justifies The Means” ! No matter what !
The perp is not only a loser, he’s a skulking coward. You can quote me.
With recovered cartridge cases, there’s a decent chance weapon and shooter will be identified, if local law enforcement officials are sufficiently motivated. I would think this might warrant FBI involvement as well.
Consider yourself quoted
Should definitely qualify as a Hate Crime
I suspect that UAH is a State Government property, and also probably has Federal Government business taking place on campus.
So If the FBI is NOT already engaged, it truly would seem to be time for the Trump Administration to say sayonara to some of those leftovers from the Obama years. The FBI top boss seems to be acting as the Top Idiot of the Bunch.
G
recovered cartridge cases => possible fingerprint evidence. So if the perp’s fingerprints are on file, or ha can be identified by other means, GOTCHA!
Quotation cited. Now we’re all in this together!
@hanelyp
Unfortunately the heat of firing burns off the oils that leave fingerprints, it’s not possible normally to get prints from fired cases. If there’s any unfired ones, from say clearing a malfunction then maybe.
5.7×28 and the weapons that fire it are not cheap. Who knows what that means, but it means something.
The FBI, at least under Obama doesn’t care. You can quote me on that.
brians356 April 24, 2017 at 11:21 am
With recovered cartridge cases, there’s a decent chance weapon and shooter will be identified, if local law enforcement officials are sufficiently motivated.
How do you think they’ll do that? In Alabama permits are not required to purchase guns, they aren’t required to be registered and no owner license is required.
In fact I believe that today the Alabama state senate is debating a bill to do away with the requirement to have a permit for concealed carry.
and fairly well off not a starving grad student. Also hard of hearing today if he or she fired that weapon inside a car.
from the grassy knoll…
Be careful sir. This nation has lost its mind.
No, only part of the population.
Hope your current residence is at an undisclosed location, if not a bunker.
With ferocious watchdog Kenji as your alarm system, all should be well.
Anthony Watts
April 24, 2017 at 10:33 am
Only for those who strongly believe and are convinced above any reason that abusing the power of the constitution is a must do and an acceptable “game” to achieve the and means of clinging to an illusive power……
Not even a part of population, just a stupid and anarchic minority, trying to trigger a kinda of “modern time lynching” and silencing of their assumed opponents….TOO barbaric and very old and out of date fashion….
What do you expect when “highly” assumed estimated personalities engage and do the same in front of a congressional committee, like in the Mannies case….
No much difference there in principle…
cheers
Apparently just those that live in Large Population Centers (The Hillary Voters)
The bunkers are in on it too, especially the central bunkers. And the puliticians and the untelligence ugencies!
END THE FUD
96% of Red county Red voters, in a recent survey (very recent) reported being very happy with their vote.
G
I saw that, WaPo even!
People who believe they possess absolute moral truth are extremely dangerous. There are hundreds of millions of dead in mass graves throughout history to prove it.
“Secrecy is the keystone to all tyranny. Not force, but secrecy and censorship. When any government or church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, “This you may not read, this you must not know,” the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how holy the motives. Mighty little force is needed to control a man who has been hoodwinked in this fashion; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, whose mind is free. No, not the rack nor the atomic bomb, not anything. You can’t conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him.” Robert A. Heinlein
DD More, here, I’ll correct that third sentence for you, it should read “When science or any government or church for that matter, . . . ”
There fixed it for yah
Lewis, Chesterton, Orwell. They all foreasaw exactly what is happening. Too bad they weren’t climate scientists.
Ahhh yes, the Myth of the Robber Barons. There’s even a book with that title by Burton W. Folsom, Jr.
Jim
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.”
– Voltaire
“A witty saying proves nothing.”
– Voltaire
But a dimly witted statement indicates much
“And what of a half wit? Do his buttocks share the same proportions?”
Someone with half a buttocks can only move Half Fast
JMac, I always wondered what a half bathroom mentioned in real estate ads was for. Half @55ed perhaps?
people who are taught absolute ideas tend to act in an absolute fashion
Seems shooting is the appropriate remedy to judge a scientific dispute!
..but shouldn’t they resort to Russian Roulette considering their fixation on election collusion?
I would think for such persons playing Russian Roulette for test purposes, seven shots would be about the right number; well if you can make it that far.
I know that seven is the right number of spokes to have on your car wheels, but seven accidental discharges of a dropped high tech semi-automatic, is a reason to go and buy a lottery ticket.
G
That’s actually the case at the Western Cartridge plant where friends of mine work. Test firing is the best way to compare two experimental bullets or gun modifications.
Context is everything, yes?
Funny, that they’re also the anti-gun crowd.
They are the anti-other people having gun crowd.
Just like they are the anti-other people flying in planes crowd
Anti-other people having heat or an AC crowd
etc
Dr. Spencer,
I am sorry that you are suffering at the hands of the modern variety of socialist fascists. Free Speech, Academic free speech once was a wonderful thing. I just barely remember those days. Old fogies like you who stand in the way of the purification of our world need to be Scapegoated, according to the haters from the left. I suggest you read The Scapegoat by Rene Girard and prepare your hemlock potion. Your bravery is about to be truly tested. People now a days are no different than on November 9, 1938.
What is the difference between Hemlock and Fennell ?? My wife keeps looking at the certified organic Fennel (contains carbon) but I tell her it looks like Hemlock to me.
G
The hard-core greens have had a lunatic militant wing for a long time. Remember Earth First?
Am appropriate name is :Gangrenous Greens” (apologies to L Pickering).
If Dr. Christy had been hit (God forbid!), I wonder if Phil Jones and Michael Mann would have exchanged emails about the oddly “cheering news?”
Maybe not e mails, but on one of their strolls down the hall together…, I have no doubt they would say such a thing.
For one mention of what Mr. Burton is referring to:
Frank K.:
Of all the bits I’ve read, that is the one (if true) that really turned my stomach…”
(http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/19/breaking-news-story-hadley-cru-has-apparently-been-hacked-hundreds-of-files-released/#comment-227373 )
Well let’s see how Nick Stokes, Griff and Mosher are going to spin this ……
Simple I support police investigating.
Then trust the cops.
Fortunately, apparently the shooter’s aim was just as inaccurate as the climate models he embraces.
They believe in precision, not accuracy.
Like the proverbial Texas Sharpshooter, they empty the clip into the wall and draw the target around the biggest cluster of holes.
Whether from a pistol or a rifle, all 7 shots hitting the 4th floor would almost certainly have been deliberate, and meant to send a messge.
Whatever happened to the ELF group? In prison? they torched some buildings as I recall. Leftists seem to be bolder and bolder, their rhetoric is at a fever pitch.
CAGW Religious Wackos fire shots defending Junk Climate Science!
CACA Terrorist Attack Against National Space Science and Technology Center!
That sounds like they lit a stink bomb and ran. =)
May be a lead-up to Christy and Spencer being forced to leave because, with their presence, the University can’t guarantee keeping everybody “safe”.
beng135 April 24, 2017 at 11:00 am
May be a lead-up to Christy and Spencer being forced to leave because, with their presence, the University can’t guarantee keeping everybody “safe”.
Given that it’s legal to carry firearms on campus I’m not sure how such a guarantee could be made. It’s not very long ago that a faculty member there opened fire on a committee which denied her tenure.
This lead spits into the wind.
============
For Doctors Christy and Spencer:
“Don’t be afraid,” {Elisha} answered. “Those who are with us are more than those who are with them.”
II Kings 6:16
“For our struggle is not with flesh and blood, but against …. the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of e v i l in the heavenly realms.
Ephesians 6:12
“Don’t be afraid ….
…. the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.
I. John 4:4
“Do not be afraid; keep on speaking, do not be silent. For I am with you … .”
Acts 18:9, 10
*********************************
Whether it is:
a Cult of AGW member’s logical response to b r a i n wa s h i n g
or
a stupid tactic by a greed-motivated Enviroprofiteer (or a power-motivated Envirostalinist),
(or, both — the greed and/or power-motivated having sicked the rabid hyena on their enemy)
The result is: A WIN FOR THE SIDE OF TRUTH.
(i.e., such a dumb move only damages the “scientists” for “science” campaign)
Praying for you,
Janice
Just troll through the social media of the local “Antifa” groups. These idiots are actually easy to find.
i’ve been doing a lot of that.
these are children with no clue about fighting or winning.
if you remember the 60’s, you should be able to grok that.
seriously- it’s all ‘I Am Poppy’ shiznitz from kids who wore helmets to ride their hotwheels.
When Science is corrupted into a Religious Ideology, it is Pope Urban ViII telling Galileo he cannot publish his work, because the Church does not approve of it, and subjecting him to the Inquisition for doing so, and subsequently banning sales of it.
This is NOT science. It is a Diktat.
You’ve been duped Sara. The Galileo episode was firstly a scientific dispute (between Galileo and other scientists). It turned into a political dispute when Galileo very publicly belittled and denigrated the Pope that had supported him and allowed him to publish his theory. There was only a very minor religious dimension with regard to personal interpretation of scripture which, after the Reformation, the Church was understandably wary of. The greatest religious opposion to heliocentrism came from Lutherans as Luther himself called Copernicus ‘this fool that goes against the Holy Writ’. The Catholic Church was largely indifferent on the subject of geo/heliocentrism and had approved Copernicus’s work and was taught at Catholic universities when Galileo was a mere glint in the eye.
The Catholic Church was largely indifferent
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that explains why so many were tortured to confess and burned at the stake in god’s name.
On 20 January 1600, Pope Clement VIII declared Bruno a heretic and the Inquisition issued a sentence of death.
Luigi Firpo lists these charges made against Bruno by the Roman Inquisition:[31]
holding opinions contrary to the Catholic faith and speaking against it and its ministers;
holding opinions contrary to the Catholic faith about the Trinity, divinity of Christ, and Incarnation;
holding opinions contrary to the Catholic faith pertaining to Jesus as Christ;
holding opinions contrary to the Catholic faith regarding the virginity of Mary, mother of Jesus;
holding opinions contrary to the Catholic faith about both Transubstantiation and Mass;
claiming the existence of a plurality of worlds and their eternity;
believing in metempsychosis and in the transmigration of the human soul into brutes;
dealing in magics and divination.
I don’t see anything in that list dealing with heliocentrism which is what Hoplite was talking about.
Thank you, MarkW, for pointing that out for me. Ferberple probably doesn’t know why he chose Bruno as an example of somebody tortured and killed by the RCC for heliocentrism. As his text shows he was tried for being a heretic and the charges against him were religious and not scientific. The fact that Bruno did support heliocentrism had nothing whatsoever to do with his trial or charges but is the reason why modern anti-Catholics use him as a putative example of the RCC’s ‘anti-science attitude’. The RCC then, as now, is an enthusiastic supporter of science and scientific discovery (as long as it is ethical). From a religious perspective, it regards it as mankind using their God-given reason and faculties to discover the wonder of God’s creation.
This is unacceptable and should be investigated as a attempted murder.
They were not in the building at the time.
The shooter had no way of knowing that nobody was in the building at the time.
Anthony Watts April 24, 2017 at 12:37 pm
It would be nice if the shooter could be caught. If the person belongs to any CAGW group it could get interesting.
Rico laws
designated a terrorist org.
michael
Shouldn’t matter.
They were not in the building.
Wait for the greens to accuse them of shooting at their own offices.
[See carolyn p’s reply making that exact charge in this thread at 2017/04/24 at 6:45 .mod]
Folks
Need to chill and let FBI or state cops do what they do
AGW needs to chill…quit imposing their ideals on society, quit violent tactics (ala Berkeley), and allow time to sort energy technologies out. The changes will happen, eventually, regardless of unnecessary pressure tactics and without need for legislation or Nazi style fascism
Would you be demanding that people chill if it was Mann’s office that was shot at?
ABSOLUTELY, but firing at offices where the opposition group works (Like rioting) ins’t a tactic employed by skeptics or their supporters.
Mosher’s here for damage control as per usual.
Is it normal for the guy doing damage control to shoot himself in the foot?
Another sign warmunists know they are losing. Thank goodness no one was hurt. If police have shell casings, might be prints. Positive ID to weapon is also possible.
The lead projectiles are like fingerprints also, if in good enough condition.
Unless the building is faced with a relatively soft wood, not likely. If they hit stone or concreted the best you can hope for is an isotopic match for bullet metallurgy.
None of this would tell anyone much about the shooter. The ammo is available almost everywhere. IF the police managed to find the gun, they MIGHT manage to match some of the ammo to it, but unless they find the shooter actually in physical possession of the gun, tracing the gun to the original owner is pointless. These green beans may be stupid enough to actually keep the gun with them, but likely not.
Got to agree with Hawkins here. Bullets probably fragmented. However, firing pin indent on primer and recoil markings from bolt face are good ballistic identification recovered casings.
ML, the FN57 handgun used per update 2 is a pretty ‘exotic’ nonstandard semi auto pistol. As an avid hunter and competition shooter in all genras (trap, sporting clays, handgun silhouette, heavy rifle, match light rifle), had never heard of it. Effective range is 50 yards, but the muzzle velocity/bullet mass means it is not a good knockdown handgun. Is used by some non-US police and military, but hard to understand why.
Was probably purchased in the US, so not so hard to legally run down– there cannot have been that many sold in the US. And the shooter supply stores I use don’t carry the 5.7x28mm cartridge AFAIK. Not in South Florida, not in Illinois, not in Wisconsin. True, I did not run out to check Davie’s Bass Pro Shops before posting…
An idiot wants to do something this reprehensibly stupid, smart to do it with a standard issue, likely used and multiply resold outside the national database, garden variety weapon chambered for garden variety ammo. Mostly untraceable. And shooting at windows 60 yards away with any hope of accuracy is not done with an FN57 122mm (4.8 inch) barrel length. On my Wisonsin farm, the minimum barrel length for handgun hunting deer is 8 inches. Mine is a ‘Dirty Harry Make my day’ Ruger Blackhawk .44 mag with custom hunting grips and handloads. For small game (0.22 Rim for squirrels) 6 inches. Shows how stupid these types are. They perpetrate violence without knowing the most elementary military basics about same. Pathetic.
For a bit of morbid trivia, the Fort Hood shooter used a 5.7 X 28
Old Guy,
The shooter would have to be pretty stupid not to police up his cartridge cases.
But then shooting at a building is not only stupid but criminal.
Looks like that ammo can be used in a PS90 rifle also. Some of the rounds do 2,350′ sec.
The cartridge was originally developed for the P90 project, with the pistol coming out later. FN might have intended a pistol all along however, to compete with 9mm for government contracts.
The other option in that cailber are the semi auto P90 clones, their exotic look makes them popular with the younger set. The round was designed as an anti-personnel round for the various European PDW (personal defense weapon) programs. Some security types carry it for it’s armor piercing capability. Those AP rounds are restricted.
This clown should be easy to find. The total sales outside of LE are small.
coincidence (does anyone believe in those) ??
http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/24/exclusive-new-study-calls-epas-labeling-of-co2-a-pollutant-totally-false/
Highly recommend that study to all. Is a rewrite of 2016 version one. Better statistics. Is a perfect complement to his very recent Congressional testimony. Is directly aimed at Pruitt’s revisitation of the 2009 EPA endangerment finding.