Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Dr. Richard Lindzen has sent a petition to President Trump, asking the President to withdraw the United States from the United Nations Convention on Climate Change.
The petition contains the names of around 300 eminent scientists and other qualified individuals, including physicists, engineers, former Astronauts, meteorologists, immunology specialists, marine biologists, chemists, statisticians, doctors, military weather specialists, geologists, accountants, a former director of NASA, economists, soil specialists, mathematicians, hydrologists, environmental scientists, computer modelling specialists, and many more. It is a long list.
Let us hope that President Trump acts quickly on Dr. Lindzen’s request.
If anyone you know claims the climate debate is over, show them a copy of Dr. Lindzen’s petition.
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I believe that there is a very rational and constitutionally supportable action that Trump should follow, rather than to simply withdraw. All legal scholars agree that this agreement is a Treaty – so Trump should publicly acknowledge that since it is a Treaty, it must be submitted to the Senate for approval, as all Treaties must be. And he should state clearly that he will support the Senate’s decision, whatever it may be.
And Trump can further promise to follow up the Senate vote without whatever EO’s are required to carry that decision out, if any are necessary.
Careful there, the senate has John McCain who is still pissed at the entire country for rejecting him as president and selecting a community organizer instead (he was used to his daddy getting him another plane whenever he crashed one), and Lindsey Graham who has his head stuck in his egomaniacal fundament. Now either of these guys would have been substantially better as president than the community organizer but neither can be depended upon in the senate to support rational action, plus possibly other turncoats and cowards.
“Careful there, the senate has John McCain who is still pissed at the entire country for rejecting him as president and selecting a community organizer instead (he was used to his daddy getting him another plane whenever he crashed one), and Lindsey Graham who has his head stuck in his egomaniacal fundament.”
Passing the Paris Agreement as a Treaty would require a two-thirds favorable vote of the Senate. There’s no way that many Senators will vote for this, McCain and Graham notwithstanding. Even many Senate Democrats will vote against this treaty, after the American public learns just how much it would cost U.S. taxpayers, while other nations pay nothing and have no restrictions on themselves.
The Paris Agreement is a non-starter in the U.S. Senate. It’s doomed because the science can’t make a case for it, and it’s doomed because it is an obvious financial boondoggle designed to suck money out of U.S. taxpayer’s pockets.
I would say take it to the U.S. Senate. Then, when it is defeated, it will not be the climate alarmists of the world against Trump, it will be the climate alarmists of the world against the United States. Trump should spread the credit around.
TA,
You may be underestimating the degree to which the Washington establishment wants to subvert Trump. Look at all the Republicans who bought into global warming scams and the Democrats usually march in lock step irrespective of the damage done to our country. Obamacare?
I would sign it but I’m just an old construction worker with some conman sense. I hope Trump has some conman sense.
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I’m a 100% in the Dr. Lindzen framing of the climate debate. Regardless, 300?? Sounds like a Climate Thermopylae in the making.
If people interpret the cosigned as a mere “science” endorsement and then have it reprocessed by the activist media and the consensus cartel little will be achieved. Endorsement science is post normal. Climate alarmism should be rejected because it doesn’t meet the scientific standards of proof. Standards were changed (models) to fit the political goals of the climate regulatory agenda.
When people focus on the corruption of endorsement science and motives skeptics win the debate. I understand why the science is debated in itself but it’s beyond naive to think that is decisive to broad social debate.
The endorsement game is dominated by massive social trends (leftist academic culture in science and media) of political predisposition stacked against skeptical reasoning.
It’s only one specific letter outlining a positive policy step. Getting it reduced down to endorsement science isn’t going to help the goals of the letter. Denouncing the politicized history of green agenda science as a whole makes more progress and Dr. Lindzen is a hero in that regard as well. All-be-it in an overly scholarly fashion much of the time but understandably so since he’s a scholar first and likely could never imagined what 50 years of green advocacy would do to astrophysics.
Yes, support the goals of the letter but don’t delude yourselves that winning science endorsements (if those are the limited views of the letter) as if each side was fair, rational as if it was really mostly about “science” in the debate was ever true. That’s a false narrative in fact and a loser politically.
Science is about proof not endorsements and the climate policy debate isn’t about conclusive science through its recent 50 year period. The letter signers are highly qualified but billions go to much larger list of consensus supporters and they mostly share a driving political world view on to of it.
Sparta (300 warriors, plus helots) had better propaganda than Thebes (400 on the third day) and Thespiae (700). There had previously been an estimated 7000 Greeks guarding the beach and pass.
Donald Trump has already shown in just his first month that he has the courage and the instincts to do the right things – he’s shown that he’s got more common sense and is more conservative and is more individual freedom loving in one month than what many Republican politicians have shown in their whole careers.
And he’s also shown he will fight for what he believes, and win, as few politicians have ever done before. I have a good feeling that he can get “science” back on track, if anyone can.
I commented on the Dailysomething that since these 300 must be part of the 3% ( 100% – 97% ) , it should be trivial to put together a petition signed by 9,700 “real” scientists whose rice bowls are at stake .
Good catch.
Here is all the evidence you need to not only pull out of the agreement but to send some Climate “Scientists” to jail.
Climate “Science” on Trial; The Criminal Case Against the Alarmists
https://co2islife.wordpress.com/2017/02/21/climate-science-on-trial-the-criminal-case-against-the-alarmists/
While it would be nice to change Climate Science form “Model Base” to “Evidence Based”, I think the economic argument of Bjorn Lomberg is stronger:
Thing like the Paris Treaty create a miniscule change at an enormous cost, (that’s if they succeed in producing any change at all). The inevitable, assuming you believe the model would be postponed by only a few years. A far more economic strategy would be to fix the adverse events as they occur (if they occur) and enjoy the benefits (which have actually occurred on the planet itself as opposed to a computer model).
Trump is more likely to understand the economic argument since he is a businessman.
This is just the strangest thing. When arguing with alarmists I frequently try the economic case and say that even if I accept all of the direst predictions of IPCC, how much is it going to cost to effect what minuscule and likely beneficial change? They never engage with that side of the debate and invariably take it as watershed moment of you conceding defeat.
Don’t hope for it. Trump made a lot of promises but it’s been more than 100 days (?) and nothing is happening. (NATO, UN etc)
January 20 was not 100 days ago. More like 37 days.
Hey mountain monkey, skipped counting 101 in kindygarten?
I guess math is not your strongest asset, or is it honesty that you have a problem with ??
Hey, you’re right. Now you can go back to sleep.
Rome was not built in a single day, nor was it at 33. And many wars were then fought against the enemies of Rome, until it was finally established. The world and the universe is a cold place, Trump needs stability and support, no impatience. Trump needs more performances before supporters like the CPAC congress. The reaction to this was almost frightened, at least in Europe and probably also in the US [What, Trump still has supporters, although a CNN, CBS, ABC, the Washington Post, the NYT, the Guardian, the “Bild”, the “Zeit”, the “Spiegel” and the “Welt” daily shows the opposite] And Trump should show even more reactions such as the exclusion of the hate press from the white-house press conferences and the absence of the self-adulation ball of the elite press. This is just the right reaction to show the Trump-bashing-Press-people and hater in the left the rake, on the other side he should be cool and prudent in front of the apparently low-equipped Democrats in the nominations to the secretarys of his cabinet and judge Neil Gorsuch. He is the undisputed leader in the GOP. It is this time, the mouse does not bite a faden. Trump is the most underestimated personality in the wider political history and will change America’s biography sustainably. For the better, after 8 years Mickey Mouse Obama.The most politically overrated and wrongly judged politician with more war history than an Attila, the Hun King created in 8 years. And who, as President, will go into the history as a “Buhler” of Silicon Valley, but holds the US infrastructure on the whole below the level of a newly industrialized country.
Good post, Hans-Georg.
IMO hostile “journalists”, ie Democrat propagandists, shouldn’t be excluded from press conferences, just never called upon to ask questions. Or select names out of a hat instead of rewarding rude behavior like Sam Donaldson’s.
Trump promised his replacement for the ACA within the first 30 days, now he is saying maybe by next year. He green lit a raid that was entirely unnecessary, resulting in a botched mission and unneeded loss of life. He has 2000 unfilled appointed positions and is making little progress towards filling those positions. He has the lowest approval rating at this point in his Presidency of any President in the polling era (last 50 years).
The polls are all over the place. Meaningless.
When did he promise 30 days for an ACA replacement? I missed that promise. Here is what he did say, from Commie NPR, no less:
http://www.npr.org/2016/11/09/501451368/here-is-what-donald-trump-wants-to-do-in-his-first-100-days
I guess you missed today’s news that an ACA repeal and replacement has taken shape in Congress already, but awaits being written into legislative form.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html
Note difference between Likely Voters and All Adults, with same sample size:
Gallup 2/23 – 2/25 1500 A 41 54 -13
Rasmussen Reports 2/21 – 2/23 1500 LV 53 47 +6
Rasmussen BTW was right on in its Nov 7 poll:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch_nov7
“The latest national telephone and online survey of Likely U.S. Voters shows Clinton with 45% support to Trump’s 43%. Libertarian Gary Johnson picks up four percent (4%) of the vote, while Green Party candidate Jill Stein gets two percent (2%). Three percent (3%) still like some other candidate, and four percent (4%) remain undecided.”
Compare with actual vote the next day (rounded), taking undecideds into account:
Clinton 48%, Trump 46%, Johnson 3%, Stein 1%, Other 2%. Johnson actually got 3.3%.
“The polls are all over the place. Meaningless.”
Wrong “All over the place” is your way of avoiding the truth – he’s the least popular President in polling history at this point in his Presidency. Even the right wing site Breitbart acknowledges that he is incredibly unpopular.
http://www.breitbart.com/news/poll-44-percent-of-americans-approve-of-the-job-president-trump-is-doing/
And the WSJ: https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-least-popular-new-president-in-at-least-a-generation-poll-finds-1484690456
Regarding the ACA, here is his promise: http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/11/donald-trump-addresses-obamacare-repeal-and-replacement-at-press-conference-in-new-york.html
Here is his backpedal on his ACA promise: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/05/us/politics/donald-trump-health-care-law-repeal-replace-plan.html
I didn’t miss anything, Trump made a promise about replacing the ACA and has broken it.
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Over and over research finds the previous Eemian to have been, at its peak, warmer than today. And over and over research uses INCREASED vegetation as that signal. Today’s warming has not yet risen over the previous interstadial and may have as much as 2 degrees more to warm before it matches it. Warmth is benign and indeed beneficial, were it not for the FACT we are heading for a jagged dive to another stadial. That period will be worth global commitments towards survival, not taxing plant food.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/academia.edu.documents/34285170/Quantitative_reconstruction_of_climate_variability_during_the_Eemian.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAIWOWYYGZ2Y53UL3A&Expires=1488132066&Signature=IXEGDNA%2Fx4RWbbcXtS%2FMy3gRZsQ%3D&response-content-disposition=inline%3B%20filename%3DSeiriene_V._Kuhl_N._Kisieliene_D._2014..pdf
http://s3.amazonaws.com/academia.edu.documents/34285170/Quantitative_reconstruction_of_climate_variability_during_the_Eemian.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAIWOWYYGZ2Y53UL3A&Expires=1488132066&Signature=IXEGDNA%2Fx4RWbbcXtS%2FMy3gRZsQ%3D&response-content-disposition=inline%3B%20filename%3DSeiriene_V._Kuhl_N._Kisieliene_D._2014..pdf
Can’t get link to paste so search for this:
Quantitative reconstruction of climate variability during the Eemian (Merkinė) and Weichselian (Nemunas) in Lithuania
VaidaŠeirienėa,⁎,NorbertKhülb,DaliaKisielienėa
Pamela
Do you mean this article?
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S003358941400043X
tonyb
Here you can get the PDF:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/261989538_Quantitative_reconstruction_of_climate_variability_during_the_Eemian_Merkine_and_Weichselian_Nemunas_in_Lithuania
Yes but I used google scholar to search for a PDF and got the full paper with one click.
Thanks Wim. Good read. There are many like it focusing on regional climates in the Northern Hemisphere that find the same/similar evidence.
Correct, thanks!
“Over and over research finds the previous Eemian to have been, at its peak, warmer than today. And over and over research uses INCREASED vegetation as that signal.”
We are currently experiencing increased vegetation while the temperatures have essentially flat-lined for the last 20 years. The increased vegetation is attributed to increased CO2 in the atmosphere, so that begs the question: Should increased vegetation be attributed to temperature or CO2 content?
To both. But there will always also be a delay: soils will have to develop. In regions with bare soils (for example semi – arid regions) better soils will have to develop. The better developed the soil, the more the vegetation will increase. Soils develop over longer periods, think about decades or better: centuries.
The letter needs to include three key points that form the basis of the justification for policy reform. The first is prediction accuracy of the IPCC vs. satellites. The second is a review of cycles and their lengths and variability. The third is a call for research integrity review.
What? No Anthony Watts on the signature list?
If Donald Trump dosen’t heed and act to implement the advice from genuine scientists and intelligent thinkers his chances of retaining a majority in the senate in 2018 will nose dive.
His chances of re-election will do likewise.
He must no let gravy train scientist’s propaganda dominate reasoned and selfless scientific inquiry.
The incredible arrogance of Gore,Mann, and others who believe that the intellectual capacity of everyday people in akin to a rubbish tip is disgraceful.
Put the biggest organised crime gang in the history of humanity out of business with people of scientific high intelligence and…….. integrity.
Yes, Trump never had a bigger chance. He must take it offensive and not hesitantly give it away. And I think Steve Bannon knows this and will curb the influence of Ivanka aka Yael. He probably did this before the moment I wrote this. Blood is never thicker in politics than water. An old rule from ancient Rome.
And there are also others in his team: ….. Pruitt added the EPA’s focus on combating climate change under former President Barack Obama had cost jobs and prevented economic growth, leading many Americans to want to see the EPA eliminated completely.
“I think its justified,” he said. “I think people across this country look at the EPA much like they look at the IRS. I hope to be able to change that.”
Great things are coming soon. The wildest nightmares of the global socialists now come true.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-epa-idUSKBN1640S9?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campa
This is too good to be able to experience …….
I may be missing them and the scrolling petition window doesn’t support searching, but there are at least a couple of names I’d like to see as petition signers who aren’t.
IMHO, the petition goes unnecessarily far by claiming that CO2 is a major benefit and that observed warming has been benign. Not everyone will sign on to that. I believe a better petition could be crafted on the following mostly procedural points:
1. IPCC claims, especially in the SPM, consistently over-state the confidence reasonably justified by research.
2. IPCC routinely violates its own procedures regarding cutoff dates for publications cited, and permits lead authors to re-write important sections based on new publications after the review comment period has closed.
3. IPCC authors and lead authors are chosen in some cases for the conclusions of their research rather than the quality of it. In some cases junior researchers are elevated above far more experienced ones.
4. Climategate emails reveal a pattern of “gaming the system” on peer-reviewed publications. Valid research has been suppressed and questionable research promoted due to collusion by IPCC researchers.
5. IPCC Summary for Policy Makers (SPM) is written primarily by political officials before the various section working groups have completed their work. In some cases key sections are re-written to conform to the SPM.
6. The SPM as a result presents an unjustifiably negative picture of both the extent and likely effects of human-caused warming.
7. Further US participation in the IPCC as currently constituted only increases the chances we will undertake very expensive and pointless industrial policy measures to avoid some largely phantom future menace. Either reform the IPCC or withdraw from it.
All of this has been documented previously. The IPCC SPM, which is the only thing most people ever hear about, is a political manifesto cloaked in scientific findings which consistently claim unjustifiable confidence levels. Add to that the documented collusion to suppress contrary research and you have good grounds to ignore the IPCC findings and not undertake any policy initiatives based on them.
That more CO2 has been a benefit is an easily demonstrable observation. It’s a scientific fact.
Unless you’re a Green Meanie who ironically hates a greener earth and better environment for humanity.
“7. Further US participation in the IPCC as currently constituted only increases the chances we will undertake very expensive and pointless industrial policy measures to avoid some largely phantom future menace. Either reform the IPCC or withdraw from it.”
This should be done at times of Dr Rajendra Pachauri. The “Zeit” of 2013:
ZEIT: Three years ago, you had made proposals for a reform of the IPCC. The aim was to reduce the impact of environmentalists and other associations. It was about dealing with conflicts of interest and mistakes. Was this implemented?
Von Storch: No, but why should they listen to me? I am still not aware of an IPCC body which independently asserts allegations that there are errors in the report. And one checks whether authors can represent foreign interests, but only by asking: Are you paid by someone? So with money. But not in the currency of that good feeling to belong to the right and good rulers. ”
Hans v. Storch is a widely respected climate researcher and former IPCC researcher and contributor. But not an alarmist.
http://www.zeit.de/2013/40/weltklimarat-ipcc-bericht-interview-hans-von-storch/seite-2
What happened instead? Nothing. On the contrary, the gargoyles of global warming have looked over or paused or “(kar(l)t the pause”. And have used the record El Nino 2015/16 to spread their miss messages further.
No, a real kick in the butt is what deserves these people.
Anything sent to Trump should mention fake data, fake sources – fake, he likes that word and understands ‘conspiracy’. NOAA, something the govt funds must have come to his attention and be in his sites. Trump has been around a long time, he knows a thing or two or ten.
Pity about Lord Monckton’s name being spelled wrongly.
+ 1.
https://youtu.be/nLuBgZ1bgoY
InfoWars … Could. Not. Be. More. Fitting.
Dear Eric,
Many thanks indeed: this is your best article / post EVER !
It is sensational, refreshing and ultimate. Thank you.
Regards,
WL
Thank you Professor Lindzen.
I’m sure President Trump will use this supporting document wisely as he CONTINUES to make good on the promises that he made. Its an amazing thing to see such a high level DULY elected leader follow thru on campaign promises.
To the readers of WUWT please recognize the grave threat that is facing the country. This threat is of such a grave nature that should they succeed far worse consequences will occur within our republic. Please read the following attachment written by a knowledgeable and respected expert on the subject.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/02/16/trump-presidency-rip/
Do More Than Pray
Thank you
Thats Snow from yesterday. In the meantime, the FBI an the intelligence gives statements, that there is no evidence of the Trump-haters conclusions in the press. Therefore there is no need to pray. For Trumps Life to pray for other reasons is however appropriate. Already several times, American presidents were a target. And when I read the hateful comments in the social media and Democrat party congresses, there might be a climate to implement such attacks. But I am certain that the team Trump and Trump himself knows this. Unlike John F. Kennedy, who seemed to be to sure because of his popularity. And in addition, it is a movement. There are many GOPs and members of his Team who are still pursuing a more restrictive line. It does not all depend on Trump, but much. And there are many political scientists who prophesy a civil war in the US in the event of an assassination attempt on Trump. A civil war, which will be won by the right and will move the country even further to the right, as happened under Trump
The authenticity of evidence is unnecessary for deep state operations. What is necessary is a lack of discernment in a suitable number of the masses. The deep state ensures this thru a weaponized media in the short term and a number of long term tactics generally geared towards state dependence.
Taking down Flynn was child’s play for them as Obama left the gift of deep politicization in key agencies.
Civil war is a messy game and the least desired option. Escalating a day to day propaganda campaign (Obama legalized this btw) that is meant to create a seditious atmosphere thru key groups is far more effective. An excellent example of this technique is a group called Indivisible.
Once CAGW pillars are attacked you’ll see this group used to bully the issue on the local level. The goal is to harass/distrupt and build momentum towards impeachment.
As always good music helps to make the point
“Taking down Flynn was child’s play for them as Obama left the gift of deep politicization in key agencies.”
Flynn took himself down by not being completely truthful to Vice President Pence. The MSM had nothing to do with Flynn’s firing.
If Flynn had told the Vice President the truth, he would still be employed, and it would not have mattered that he talked to the Russians. No wrongdoing has been found according to the FBI.
It was Flynn’s job to talk to the Russians. It was also Flynn’s job to tell the vice president exactly what he said to the Russians. Flynn failed in that last requirement and was fired because of it. An internal matter, not brought about by the MSM.
Thinking a about Willis’ concerns of giving ammunition to AGW ideologues. Why not start a companion list of “deplorables” who would have signed if the list of invitees were not cleansed for quality purposes. I just have a lowly BA degree in Geology and a MBA. I guess I am not important except as part of a hug mass of un-tainted “deplorables” I am not buying into the AGW scare until proof of skill in prediction is demonstrated by scientific method a la Popper. Go figure there are a huge number of people who have common sense. You do not need to be an informed esoteric climate scientist to judge skill in prediction. That is the beauty of scientific theory. I really don’t have to delve into understanding your formulas and models. The test is whether the data verifies the skill of the “scientists” mumble jumble or falsifies it. This is an up or down in my mind. If your model on how science advances is Kunn. OK tweak the model to get better results until the tweaking is obviously ridiculous to all who are still live. Thhe point is to get better results in skill over time. One of th best examples iI have seen recently is the NOAA diagram Offered at the Tall Ships Conference in Boston this month showing the improvement in hurricane track predictability over the past 30 years.
SO how to identify the size of the un reported “deplorable” constituency.
Well imagine how you’d feel if a lot of young earth creationists – not a geologist among them -got up a petition to have the President declare earth created in 4004 BC
climate scientists by definition study climate and are more informed about it than people who create posts on websites.
Thank God this stupidity may end.
The form can change “this” but “stupidity” is in the DNA.
I don’t think there is enough political logic to even force the climate change movement into academic incubation mode. So it’s no where near ending.
Tesla trading near 245 off recent high of 287, this company says it all about social stupidity. Feds give the public $7500 per car subside to largely the upper 1% of income earners to be “green” and “fight emissions”. States like California throw more subsidies into the hat. Of course there is no net emissions saved from the charge process, the long term pollution may well be worse from the battery outcome.
A 40 billion dollar company, just a tiny slice of a 1.5 trillion green industrial complex and much of it tied to climate policy handouts and priority.
Want to talk solar subsides next? The Book of Stupid has an entire chapter on this.
First sentence of letter reads: “Citizens of the USA and America’s admirers everywhere support of your campaign promises to place . . .”
Has this been corrected? Either get rid of ‘support’ or ‘of’. Both together make no sense.
I have long been a fan of Richard Lindzen. How about another Petition in Support of Richard Lindzen’s Petition, one that all of us without science degrees can sign?
/Mr Lynn
Let’s just hope that Dr Lindzen’s letter and attached petition reaches its intended recipient AND if it does, that he actually bothers to READ it and consider its extremely important message. (I don’t think it’s very likely that Dr Lindzen personally handed his petition to Mr Trump)…
Pruitt/Conway received the letter and it will be helpful as an HONORABLE tool of support. Like all good men they don’t easily accept that their opponents don’t play fair. In the end this is YOUR opponents greatest advantage.
They gain ground to head you off at the pass with methods that you consider unethical and unfair. By the time you recognize them for what they are your opponents have already secured ground in the battle.
Trump getting elected was the equivalent of the comatose patient being awoken from his state. The success of the movement will require a far greater willingness to beat your opponent at his game.
Ironically, I bet 97% of the people who signed that petition believe that climate change is real 🙂
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