Guest essay by Larry Hamlin
Dr. Judith Curry conducted an interview on British radio on February 6th addressing, among many topics, how the politicalization of climate science created and driven by the UN IPCC process has robbed scientists of the opportunity to explore the legitimate, extremely important and yet unaddressed issues of how natural climate change drivers impact the earth’s climate. Her excellent broadcast can be found here:
During the course of her interview Dr. Curry addressed the underlying assumptions contained in the UN IPCC process at its very beginning which simply assumed without establishing scientific evidence that anthropogenic activity was driving “global warming” (which was subsequently modified to “climate change” after the global temperature “pause”).
This theme was effectively captured by her characterization during the broadcast when she noted the failures of climate models to address pre 1950 natural climate variation – “If science can’t explain climate shifts pre 1950, how can we trust today’s climate models?”
She noted that the IPCC never bothered to do the “hard work” to determine how natural climate variation affected climate change but instead relied on “expert judgement” that man made actions were controlling thus neglecting any opportunity to advance climate science in this very important area.
Dr. Curry has addressed this topic in previous articles written by her (https://judithcurry.com/2014/08/24/the-50-50-argument/) where she challenged the highly questionable computer modeling techniques which attempt to manufacture a divergence between unforced and anthropogenic forced climate model ensemble runs.
In these prior articles she concluded that in using this model driven detection and attribution technique “the IPCC has failed to convincingly demonstrate ‘detection.’
“Because historical records aren’t long enough and paleo reconstructions are not reliable, the climate models ‘detect’ AGW by comparing natural forcing simulations with anthropogenically forced simulations.”
She noted “The IPCC then regards the divergence between unforced and anthropogenically forced simulations after ~1980 as the heart of the their detection and attribution argument. See Figure 10.1 from AR5 WGI (a) is with natural and anthropogenic forcing; (b) is without anthropogenic forcing:”
Dr. Curry pointed out a number of critical flaws in these comparisons as follows:
“Note in particular that the models fail to simulate the observed warming between 1910 and 1940.
The glaring flaw in their logic is this. If you are trying to attribute warming over a short period, e.g. since 1980, detection requires that you explicitly consider the phasing of multidecadal natural internal variability during that period (e.g. AMO, PDO), not just the spectra over a long time period.
Attribution arguments of late 20th century warming have failed to pass the detection threshold which requires accounting for the phasing of the AMO and PDO.
It is typically argued that these oscillations go up and down, in net they are a wash. Maybe, but they are NOT a wash when you are considering a period of the order, or shorter than, the multidecadal time scales associated with these oscillations.
Further, in the presence of multidecadal oscillations with a nominal 60-80 yr time scale, convincing attribution requires that you can attribute the variability for more than one 60-80 yr period, preferably back to the mid 19th century.
Not being able to address the attribution of change in the early 20th century to my mind precludes any highly confident attribution of change in the late 20th century.”
In these prior articles Dr. Curry concludes that UN IPCC climate models are unfit for use for this purpose, use circular reasoning in claiming detection and fail to assess the impact of forcing uncertainties regarding attribution assertions.
During the broadcast Dr. Curry noted that climate models like those utilized by UN IPCC which attempt to connect climate impacts as being driven by human action in many respects represent “self fulfilling” prophecies from a politically driven agency that has “lost objectivity” because of its bias in disregarding natural climate variability because its charter is solely focused on anthropogenic climate change.
Dr. Curry also addressed during the broadcast the recent data debacle of NOAA where this organization which is supposed to be preeminent in measuring and evaluating global temperature data has been extremely careless and incompetent in handling it’s temperature data.
She addressed the context of NOAA’s data debacle as being driven by political pressure from the Obama administration which desired this result to support its activities at the Paris climate conference.
She indicated that she has been in contact with NOAA scientist Dr. John Bates over the last 18 months discussing his experience with the lack of scientific rigor in NOAA’s handling of data sets where critical temperature data has not been properly archived, documented or evaluated consistent with standards established by NOAA itself. She noted that Dr. Bates has an extensive discussion of these NOAA data problems on her blog Climate Etc.
She further noted that given the importance that NOAA temperature data plays in global and national regulatory policy decision making regarding climate issues that can require the commitment of trillions of dollars that such data sets must receive and comply with the most rigorous data handling standards which clearly have not been followed.
She believes that funding for the study of natural climate variation needs to be significantly increased and that government political pressure has driven almost all funding toward anthropogenic focused studies.
She also said that in her judgement the climate impacts of man made CO2 emissions on global climate are measured on a “tiny scale”.
She encouraged people who have concerns about the validity of arguments alleging man made climate change to continue to speak out about their concerns.
Judith Curry has stood by her core values of integrity in science and made a huge decision to leave Academia when she could no longer reconcile the conflicts .
She is a hero .
How interesting that some threated scientist now claim their work will be politicised and their source data subject to third party review when that is exactly what the puppet masters of the IPCC were all about . A solution looking for a problem to justify an over blown scam .
Does anyone dispute that natural variables are running the climate show and despite the fact we don’t really have a good grasp of the interplay among natural variables we are expected to believe a trace gas favorable to life if causing the earth to have a fever . Utter nonsense .
I don’t think she has.
she has put her political views before her science.
Completely wrong, as usual. CAGW was always nothing more than a money-grab. Ms. Curry is a scientist. Those who are trying to sell panic and fear are not.
As usual, Griff assumes everyone else does what he does.
Of course to him, science is whatever supports his religion.
“she has put her political views before her science.”
So you are lying about Professor Curry’s integrity now, you unpleasant little paid activist for the ‘Unreliables’ industry.
Tell us, have you apologised to Dr. Cockcroft for attempting do damage her professional reputation yet?
Truly, you are entirely with shame or conscience.
Griff – you are projecting AGAIN!
I think Dr. Curry made a mistake by accepting the interview invitation by this Richie Allen. He sounds like an nutcase with his obscene language and chemtrail conspiracy theories. The last ting Dr. Curry need now is to get associated with people like Richie Allen.
Anyway, Dr. Curry did a god job of trying to keeping the interview at a decent level despite the format.
Can you get her on to the BBC, or any other broadcaster?
If so, tell us how you can do it, we’re all ears….
I suggest that we work to get her on Rush Limbaugh, or Sean Hannity. Truthism is allowed on conservative talk shows.
myNym, I don’t want her on those shows either. These shows are for idealogues, and that’s not a fit for Curry.
How about Charlie Rose? He has his own show and he’s independent. He won’t care what CBS thinks.
I’m half serious.
“without establishing scientific evidence that anthropogenic activity was driving “global warming” (which was subsequently modified to “climate change” after the global temperature “pause”).”
If CO2 is causing global warming, then we know from its isotopic signature that the excess/increased CO2 in the atmosphere is contributed by humans. (And of course it is)
The change from global warming to climate change was, as we all know, promulgated by a US Republican advisor, in an effort to downplay the importance of this…
If CO2 is causing global warming
It isn’t
It can’t. But Frau Griff can’t be persuaded by truth. She is all in on stupid.
Wow, is there any whopper that Griffie won’t pass off as unvarnished truth?
He/she/it makes its beer money by telling porkies and denigrating any professional who its handlers consider is likely to damage ‘the Cause’.
Not sure if this was posted on this site around the time it was broadcast but Dr. Curry was on Tucker Carlson’s very popular Fox News show recently (MSM but high quality, top ratings.) He wants to have her on again.
Thanks for posting this. I have been extremely impressed by Tucker Carlson’s new show on Fox. He is an outstanding interviewer able to stay on focus and draw out the critical issues better than anyone I’ve seen on the TeeVee in recent years.
Dear Judith:
“In association with DavidIcke.com” automatically places you well into the realms of tinfoil hatted nutjobs.
Indeed this while interview by the organisation that performed it, may be no more than a well placed attempt to discredit you.
Boy, is Dr. Curry’s performance impressive! She’s (almost) as tough as Allen West when it comes to “That’s not our issue,” “I’m not going there.”
Her information is valuable, and it’s good that she’s at pains to explain what the state of the actual science tells us and what “confidence levels” and so forth do not tell us.
Thanks very much for posting.
news.com.au has an amazing article taking Michael Mann’s nonsense as gospel. I’ve left several replies (as Michael Cunningham) which are “pending.” http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/climate-change/welcome-to-the-madhouse-scientist-says-trump-could-destroy-the-world/news-story/0e31691ab55a520800cef7dbd289fdad
It seems Mr Trump is well qualified – in Mann’s terms – to be a climate scientist
“He [Trump] waffles, it’s hard to pin down, he says one thing to one audience then another thing to another audience.”
And my favourite
“The Antarctic ice sheet is close to home,” he said. “If we lose the West Antarctic ice sheet, and we are very close to the threshold, we set in motion the destruction of the ice shelf. The ice shelf is ready to collapse. Then we’re talking a 10- to 12-foot [3- to 4-metre] sea level rise, we don’t know how quick.
“We’re talking massive loss of coastal civilisation. That could be catastrophic for Australia and New Zealand.
We’re all gonna… glug, glug, glug
The CMIP projections actually look pretty good, when you update the measured data to show the record years of 2014, 2015, and 2016.
Let’s not forget about McIntyre and Lindzen
The fact the program was willing to consider other perspectives immediately gives it more credibility than
MSM like the LA Times or NY Times who just shut down journalistic pretenders .
Considering the significance of the issue I find it strange that for the most part all we see are these
talk show jockeys blabbing on for most of the very short segments as they are up against a commercial break clock . The “expert ” then gets about 30 seconds and then it’s well thanks for coming on the program .
With $$ Billions at stake why not have a proper full day discussion among scientists to take the political bias out as much as possible . There is something so wrong about this field of science .
Why wouldn’t every government be demanding to hear and understand the issues from more than one side unless of course they just want to hear from the side they have bought .
If one can not account for natural variation then logic precludes that one can venture an opinion as to the cause of the variations observed.
If one observed that climate varies much more in winter than in summer then the mode of causation is obviously unrelated to variations in trace gas content that exhibits a seasonal variation that is dwarfed by the extent of the decadal increase.
If one observes that the entire southern hemisphere is no warmer today than seventy years ago then the mode of causation obviously has very little to do with trace gas content.
Indeed there is no logic in the argument that man is the agent of climate change.
erl happ Exactly ! With such basic logic the question is why did the Co2 global warming con even get lift off ?
Answer … It supported a globalist political objective to fool the masses and ensure insiders made a fortune from the scam . They thought they could pull it off quicker and increasingly failed because a few scientists and others would not drink the cool aid despite threats ,name calling and attempted bribery .
The “climate ” models originally designed to give the scam a pretence of credibility so grossly over shot actual temperatures the scam needed to change it’s name to climate change .
Your points erl happ should have been out front of the scam 20 years ago but too much money was involved to stop the heist before it got traction .
WUWT Readers, I just finished up an article that draws on this data that you may find interesting.
Climate Science Behaving Badly; 50 Shades of Green & The Torture Timeline
https://co2islife.wordpress.com/2017/02/12/climate-science-behaving-badly-50-shades-of-green-the-torture-timeline/