Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Scientists are apparently planning a march on Washington. My question – will anyone notice?
Scientists Are Planning the Next Big Washington March
Last weekend, a massive milieu of women in pink hats descended on Washington, D.C. for the Women’s March. The next big protest being planned for the nation’s capital could involve a sea of lab coats (and likely a few pink hats as well).
A group of researchers have proposed a March for Science. What started as a discussion on Reddit has quickly blossomed into a movement.
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The march would be the latest in a string of actions taken by scientists following Donald Trump’s election and his inauguration as president. His administration has been widely viewed as hostile to science — from the transition period through hearings for his cabinet nominees through silencing key federal science agencies and freezing grants.
“This is not a partisan issue. People from all parts of the political spectrum should be alarmed by these efforts to deny scientific progress,” Caroline Weinberg, a medical researcher who is helping organize the march, said. “Scientific research moves us forward and we should not allow asinine policies to thwart it.”
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Read more: http://www.climatecentral.org/news/scientists-march-washington-dc-21111
My opinion is these hordes of near zero output climate scientists have a grossly over-inflated view of their value to society.
If sanitary workers go on strike, within days the cities are a stinking rat infested nightmare. If doctors go on strike, sick people die. If farmers go on strike, people starve. If police go on strike, law and order breaks down.
If climate scientists go on strike – the food still arrives, laws are enforced, sick people still receive medical treatment, and the garbage still gets collected.
I’m not saying science, even pure science, has no value. When scientists produce a breakthrough, it can be world changing. Scientific research, especially research with commercial applications, is vitally important to maintaining economic growth.
But look at climate science specifically. 30 years and climate scientists are no closer to closing the joke size range of their climate sensitivity estimate. Worse, there is substantial evidence climate scientists are ignoring indications that most of their climate sensitivity estimates are way too high.
If sanitary workers go on strike the effect is immediate and brutal, but climate scientists could walk off the job for a decade, and the only consequence to ordinary people would be a slightly smaller tax bill.
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The longer they strike the better.
Who’s going to pay the carbon taxes on their plane flights to DC? Are they planning on being reimbursed by their employers for business trips? Any who work for the government or universities need close scrutiny. Love the resuscitated hockey stick graph on that sign! It proves At a glance that 2016 was actually twice as warm as 1998, not fractionally as we all reckon. Who knew?
Wait, what? That chalkboard graph shows CO2, not temperature. Yes, the science there is settled, CO2 is up to 400 PPM, uh huh, yep. But the implication that 400 ppm is unprecedented? Not so much.
Oh God I hope they’re marching in DC and get hit with a massive blizzard and some of them lose limbs to frost bite. I can’t think of a more perfect final nail in their alarmist coffins than their march being utterly destroyed by the cold.
I think the question is, who is paying for their plane flights/hotel accommodation/meals, etc? They seem to have an unending source of money for these stunts.
So according to that pic, for the last 400,000 years CO2 was never above 200 ppm?
The first thing I thought when I saw the photo was “thay lying graph. Whoever drew it really learned how to misuse statistics.” 1950 was the middle of a drop in temperature ~.2 degC, so the real rise ’til today is ~.4 degC. On the Kelvin scale, which thermodynamics operates 0.4deg corresponds to 0.0014%- an insignificant number. We have no way to measure that kind of change on a global basis. It’s particularly insignificant because the climate operates on flows of energy, not temperature differences.
“hit with a massive blizzard and some of them lose limbs to frost bite”
Jeez, that’s funny!
brians356: Who’s going to pay …?
I wonder about this question also. There was a “Spontaneous protest” in several cities in the US last night with lighted signs and posters. “Spontaneous”??? Yeah right. Who organized the “protests”? Who paid for all the signs and travel? Watching the news, it looked like someone had planned these “spontaneous protests” for a considerable length of time.
So, I am sure that certain individuals or groups would be inclined to provide funding for a march by “Climate Scientists”.
It appears that a lot of folks are invested in going after the new administration.
Not a conspiracy theory, just an observation.
The below is old news but it seems to confirm the process.
http://www.infowars.com/blocks-of-anti-trump-protest-buses-caught-on-tape/
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/10/trump-protests-intensify-as-doubts-swirl-about-spontaneity.html
Next up ? — March For Art, … then March For Energy.
Scientists’ Lives Matter … Artists’ Lives Matter
I’m an artist, by the way, among other things, … definitely NOT a climate … “scientist”.
I am a Professional Artist, I draw unemployment insurance.
Pierre Vallieres,
I am a professional comedian. I draw humor from your response. :>)
This is not science, this is ACTIVISM!
Meh. Women scientists have already been there and done that.
““It’s DOCTOR Big Tits to You!”” https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/01/the-women-scientists-standing-up-to-trump/514094/
This is nothing more than the “flash-mob” effect due to social media. It’s why we’re suddenly plagued with a “group” for just about everything. Most of them only have pseudo-existence on Facebook or some similar platform. Yelling “Yeah, yeah, yeah!” from your keyboard is a little different than taking time off from work, paying for plane, hotel, and meals, just to make an asshat of yourself in the streets. The way to defeat this nonsense is to IGNORE these mindless, juvenile “protests.”
It is no longer “asshat.” It is now “vaghat.”
Thousands of unaware women parading their crudity on international TV. Potential employers, spouses, etc. may not appreciate being associated with someone wearing that on their head.
Those women are going to start ‘sitting down’ when they find themselves out of a job and unemployable :^)
Let them eat cake!
That’s all the bloody do anyway. These so called climate scientists are the brioche scoffing brats of the 21st century.
This may explain why someone with a science PhD usually earns less than someone who hits a ball with a stick for a living
Fries with that?
The value of a “Post hole Digger (PhD)” is greatly devalued if they don’t have enough sense to know how to use it.
+10
BS – Bull Shit
MS – More Shit
PhD – Piled higher n Deeper
I thought it was “Piled Higher & Deeper” ?? As in BSc=Bull Sheep complete; MS = More of Same and finally PHD
🙂
Hey, maybe that’s the fluidity of language. When I earned by Bachelor’s degree in chemistry, it was bull stuff, more [of] same, then piled higher and deeper.
Well, if they wear white lab coats when they march, that means they must know what they’re talking about…
And just why do “climate scientists” need white lab coats? Are they doing “scientific” experiments in a lab utilizing the scientific method? Uh, that’s a rhetorical question…
Remember, the lab coat long ago became not just the uniform, but the dress uniform of the scientist. 😉 😉
See C. Northcote Parkinson”s essay about it. 😉 😉
A lab coat is the empower’s New Clothing.
Just keep letting these idiot leftists, communists, anarchists, racists (in the guise of tolerant, loving, democrats, etc.) social justice warriors, “scientists???”, and all the other a-holes room to hang themselves with their idiocy and hatred for reason, the laws and logic. They keep demonstrating how stupid, divisive, immoral and against freedom and real democracy they stand for.
I thought the guy in the white coat was selling ice-cream
The question is: what kind of hats are they going to wear
What kind of hats are they going to wear? … That’s easy:
… and just for clarity, from Wikipedia (I think we might trust them for this):
In the late 1940s, science fiction fanzine artist Ray Nelson (himself still in high school) adopted the use of the propeller beanie as emblematic shorthand for science fiction fandom. This was in self-mockery of the popular image of fans as childish and concerned with ephemera (such as science fiction).
Either that or they are pretending to be doctors.
Great point, Mark W.
At least medical doctors are an honest bunch, they “practice” medicine. These climate clowns are so divorced from reality, it is just mind boggling!
The good ones are honest and humble, for sure. Medical doctors are still human and make mistakes. Decisions have to be made in light of major uncertainty and getting it wrong may result in death. Heck, even getting it right may result in death. They are certainly subject to fads, just like the rest of humanity. Most are trained well enough to spot seriously flawed studies, given enough time to do some due diligence work. Their necks are definitely on the legal line here in the US.
I was thinking about the photo-op the Democrats held in support of ObamaCare while it was still being “debated” in congress. It was advertised as doctors in support of ObamaCare, and the organizers gave lab coats to everyone in attendence, without checking to see who was or wasn’t a doctor.
Lots of congress critters were photographed in lab coats.
You forgot to mention the fashion accessories with their white jackets–purple gloves and nerdy black glasses!
It will make it very difficult to spot them in the blizzard though. I hope the snowblower drivers are careful.
This should be a march of scientists demanding an apology for disseminating lies and defective science… or are we there yet? LETS DO IT!!!
For details on what to chant about, see Paullitely.com and on YouTube, Adapt 2030.
Eric, I think you’ve brought up the subject that the garbage collectors are more relevant than the garbage emitters in science.
The clown parade passing by in the streets below will not change one iota what the adults inside the office buildings will do.
Just another “look at me” pompous display by the not-quite-rational pseudo-science knaves and their wretched dupes.
Pathetic.
Janice:
Yes it is “look at me”, irrational climate seance, and more riff-raft littering the streets and parks. With each such nonsense event their impact shrinks.
The scientists are revolting!
They stink on ice.
You were waiting for this, weren’t you?
Wussy Hats?
good to see, Max is back!
Love it, Max.
Spelled with a P?
“I just can’t believe we’re having to yell, ‘Science is real.’”
Impressive proof yes? lol.
Lol, the debate is over. The debate never happened to any meaningful degree:
Whether it’s Gavin Schmt or, Al Gore, AGWers run away when challenged to debate.
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Climate Clowns for Hire — We do Tricks! 🙂
They are not obligated to debate anyone who challenges them, especially someone who claimed to have cured HIV. Are vaccine scientists obligated to debate those who say that vaccines cause autism? Of course not.
The fact that they refuse to debate anyone who disagrees with them is quite telling.
The fact that you equate disagreeing about CAGW with the vaccines cause autism group is also quite telling.
After trying to read Willis’s article with all the trolls in full strut; I was wondering what moon phase is tonight”
Why, we’re entering a new moon phase. No wonder.
Alarmist: “Debate is over!”
Other: “What debate?”
Alarmist: “Why the CAGW debate on what caused global warming.”
Other: “That’s odd, I never heard of any CAGW debate. When did that occur?”
Other: “Nor have we heard of any definitive proof(s) proving either catastrophic or human caused global warming.”
Alarmist: “Why there never was a debate! It is a position we’ve taken.”
Alarmist: “Plus, we decided that since everybody should be taxed to fund climate science, we do not need to waste money on simple proof.”
Other: “That is not science. Let us debate this CAGW science”
Alarmist: “Never! Why debating a denier, which is how we decided to demean real scientists, implies we will lower ourselves to that level.”
Other: “Then there never was a debate, so calling the debate over is specious and sophistry.”
No debate, the debate is not over.
That is falsehood promulgated by religious advocates believing in CAGW.
Nearly thirty years have passed.
Without the dreaded global warming actually occurring. i.e. Everywhere in the world should be watching daily records fall by a CAGW caused amount. It is not happening. Incredibly, global warming records only appear to fall when history is adjusted, the temperature record is short or temperature stations are badly located.
That has not happened.
Snow is still with us.
The Arctic still has ice cover.
Greenland is fully frozen.
Antarctica is still frozen.
The deep seas are still very cold.
None of wildlife is endangered by CAGW changing climate.
Rains still falls. (Drought was and often still is claimed to increase)
Storms are not worse or more frequent.
Tornadoes are not more powerful or more frequent.
No populations are migrating because of CAGW.
No deaths can be ascribed directly to CAGW.
CAGW is still a religion, not science. No debate, no science, no proof(s), no evidence, no real CAGW.
“Chris January 26, 2017 at 10:39 am
They are not obligated to debate anyone who challenges them, especially someone who claimed to have cured HIV.”
And then there is the case of people in Africa who seem immune to HIV, prostitutes in fact. The human body is an amazing machine.
That “debate is over” chalkboard is the sort of meme we ought to all agree is antithetical to science.
The reason those folks prefer political demonstrations to scientific debate is that the facts are against them. Scientific evidence indicates anthropogenic global warming is real, modest & benign; anthropogenic CO2 is beneficial; and neither sea-level rise (SLR) nor extreme weather (the main supposed negative consequences of AGW) are accelerating.
Here’s one of the best sea-level measurement records in the world — where there’s been no SLR acceleration in >150 years:
http://www.sealevel.info/120-022_Wismar_2017-01_150yrs.png
The green trace is CO2. It’s up ~40%, yet has not affected SLR.
Here’s an interactive version:
http://tinyurl.com/WismarSL
No high-quality, long-term measurement record of coastal sea-level, anywhere in the world, shows significant SLR acceleration in the last 85 years. That means SLR cannot be substantially driven by anthropogenic CO2.
The same is true for “extreme weather” — no increase coincident with the increase in CO2:
http://policlimate.com/tropical/frequency_12months.png
But the leftists don’t care about real scientific evidence. These folks plan to “march for science” now, when there are signs that real science may actually play a role in policy-making, after eight yrs of Washington DC trampling science under politics’ heel. SMH.
They’re protesting to prevent real science from having a role in policy-making. By bullying Trump into giving their fake science a free pass.
Dave B
Should you not stress that this sea water in the ocean basins is analogy for mercury in a glass tube? If the temperature changes, the volume of each fluid changes, instantly and to an amount that can be confidently calculated with physics.
(But OTOH, for the oceans case, there is so little observation of the deeper half of the oceans that murder and mayhem could be quietly happening to change to basin volume at a rate just neat enough to be tricky – like similar to what warming might do.)
Uh, Geoff, the oceans aren’t constrained in a sealed tube. They also are the major part of the climate system and hold all the cards except the 2 of spades- energy, mass, volume, heat capacity, mass movement. The last 2% is the atmosphere moving the incident solar effects back out to the top of the atmosphere to keep the temperature balance close to zero.
phillohippous,
Agreed, the analogy is general not specific.
I still stress that so little is known about the deep ocean and its geometry change. We know that new islands appear in shallow oceans. There are like to be other types of geometric change as well.This has the potential to change ‘sea level’ in wauys not yet in the equations.
The assumption that all is well with present models is so anti-science that various climate authors should be ashamed. Just because you cannot measure a known variable conveniently or well, there is no excuse to ignore it and ‘hope’ it will not matter.
So we continue to have the physical science corrupted by wishful thinking ani-science.
Lament the scientif method.
Geoff
p.s Simply, it is like police sending out a description of a wanted person to get public help to find the perp, but failing to mention that perp has only one arm
The spliced graph on the blackboard is fraudulent. But I suppose that won’t be mentioned during the march.
You’re a chemist, aren’t you Pamela? So why do they have a structure for 2,3,8-trimethylnaphthalene on an AGW-demo chalkboard? And what’s with the aniline and nitrobenzene on the lower left? Exotic heat-enhancers, or what?
Neat comment. And great question for Pamela, Pat! Wish she would respond (it would be a good read, no doubt).
Well (just a non-tech’s take based on secondary characteristics), aniline smells like rotten fish…. nitrobenzene is a precursor to aniline (so, more rotten fish on the way)….
Conclusion: there’s a stealth science realist among the rank ranks of Rotten Science (with a sense of humor).
#(:))
I couldn’t really see if you’re correct about the diagrammed chemicals, unless, wait…. I can see something potentially destructive being made using those three chemicals Pat mentions …. ugh.
cdq, the naphthalene is just down to the right of “Scientists Agree!!!!” And the other two molecules are just under the low point of the first glacial period.
Good observations, Janice. 🙂 Aniline is also pretty toxic, and nitrobenzene smells awful. Toxic and stinky — that pretty much describes the bequest of AGW, doesn’t it. 🙂
“If sanitary workers go on strike, within days the cities are a stinking rat infested nightmare. If doctors go on strike, sick people die. If farmers go on strike, people starve. If police go on strike, law and order breaks down.”
Perhaps businessmen should go on strike so the world can test Obama’s premise that, “You didn’t build that”….
“Who is John Galt?”
I must admit that I would miss my garbage man much more than my mayor
+1 That’s going into my “quotes & aphorisms” file.
And I tip my garbage man more than I tip my mayor too!
“Perhaps businessmen should go on strike so the world can test Obama’s premise that, “You didn’t build that”….”
They did. That is why the economy has not recovered at anywhere near the rate of a normal postwar recovery, and why the markets have taken off after the election
The sign says the debate is over.
Was that on tv, cause I missed it.
i have a new climate research funding plan
for every dollar funding a climate alarmism there must be a dollar of funding for climate denialism..
it might not take too long for half of the marchers to switch sides.
It would appear these marchers do not know the difference between scientific method / scientific thought process and political methods / political processes. Good science doesn’t need a march to gain support but a political movement just might.
My favorite comment. Ever.
I always thought that when your hypothesis was disproven or not provable that the next step was to go back and modify the hypothesis until it explained the experimental data. The new next step is apparently to march on Washington with a cool looking chalkboard. Now I know why they’re called ‘progressives’. Wait, progressives does mean insufferable whiners, right?
I think it means “sore winners, sorer losers”. 🙂
Political theater, pretending to be science….
On Willis’s post we have a couple of posers whining about how this site has been politicizing science.
Can’t wait to see:
John Holdren with a large sub-group at the White House Gate where he will make a REALLY BIG speech in front of MSM WaPo and NYT to denounce the President, The Cabinet, The Government and The Country, and throw his WH security badge over the Gate (Persona Non Gratis, boo hoo).
Then, the OLD GIRL’S CLUB of AGU, AMS, APS, AAAS and NAS “CEO’s” will hoist their bras and tampons into a central pile, Al Gore will place a paper mannequin of Trump on the pile, Mikey Mann then douses the mannequin and bra/tampon pile with kerosene and Jimmy Hansen lights it up with a Bic singing “Amazing Grace” and everyone joins in.
What a spectacle of Phantasmagoria by the AGW astrologers.
Popcorn a popping. Ha ha
Then somebody asks why they used kerosene on their bonfire when they’re supposed to be against the burning of fossil fuels, resulting in a very awkward pause.
If you watch them, it becomes obvious that they are only opposed to other people using fossil fuels.
Just like socialists are only opposed to other people becoming wealthy.
We should all go there and challenge them to re-open the debate they so emphatically and defensively claim is over and convince us and the public (that they no doubt expect to be in attendance at their pointless march in large numbers); why and how their so called ‘science’ proves it’s over…
Challenge them with something simple, i.e. You will of course take this ideal opportunity to present to us all here: the indisputable facts supported by empirical evidence, proving indeed: THE “DEBATE” IS OVER!
Some sciences are of great value and others are not. See http://www.evolutionnews.org/2016/06/theres_no_grand102935.html
By marching, these people expose themselves to the risk that more citizens will come to realize that their branches of science are of negligible value, and that their fields are more driven by politics than reality.
Can I knit some snowflake hats for them?
Beaver hats, Johnny!
Has the April Fool’s Day arrived to Washing DC already?
Apologies for the typo. Washington DC. The ex-capital of planet GIGO.
On the other hand, it does need a good cleaning after 8 years of Obama.
Gotta love the White Lab Coat. He must be a scientist who knows what he is talking about.
Does anyone remember the lovely politically incorrect song about the nice young men in their little white coats are coming to take me away?
HoHo..HeHe…HaHa.
Scaffold. Paul McArtney’s brother if memory serves me.
‘They’re coming to take me away’ by Napoleon XIV.
Lab coats are for REAL scientists usually doing REAL chemistry, to protect their day clothes.
I doubt that even one single “climate scientist™” has EVER done any chemistry.
You DO NOT need a lab coat when sitting in front of a computer. !!!
My jeans always had lab-work holes in them. 🙂
Same with medical doctors, who need to keep blood and other body fluid contamination of their regular clothes minimized, though there are the paper gowns that are preferred these days.
If the debate is over, the facts in and the evidence clear, their job is done their role no longer necessary, I wouldn’t be shouting about it if I were them.