U.S average temperature 16°F – colder than any time last winter, and winter hasn't started yet!

If you think it is colder than you remember last year, your’e right. Winter hasn’t officially started yet, it begins on Wednesday, December 21st. But the numbers tell a cold hard fact: as of 7 a.m. EST this morning, Sunday, Dec. 18, the average temperature across the Lower 48 states of the U.S. is colder than any time all last winter.

As this plot of hourly temperatures shows, the average temperature is 16 degrees. F, which is 4 degrees colder than any time last winter. What’s worse, the coldest part of winter is still six weeks away.

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(graphic courtesy of Weatherbell.com with h/t to Dr. Roy Spencer)

I can’t wait for Monday, March 20th, 2017, when spring starts.

UPDATE: Feel like doing something good at Christmastime? Read this

 

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John Boles
December 18, 2016 1:34 pm

The coldest day of the year in the US is, on average, Jan 26, and the hottest, July 26, I read that somewhere and it stuck.

Sodakhic
Reply to  John Boles
December 18, 2016 8:34 pm

And of course this is the warmest December ever

connie frist
Reply to  Sodakhic
December 19, 2016 4:28 am

It can’t be both (the warmest and the coldest)
I’m 60, ive seen both warmer and colder Decembers. Different years, clearly.
Must be a slow news day.

Reply to  John Boles
December 18, 2016 9:41 pm

Have you got any good prices on Spam?

Reply to  Mike MacKenzie
December 19, 2016 10:57 am

Dollar Tree has 1lb can Spam for, you guessed it….$1.00 !!!!!

Spam
Reply to  Mike MacKenzie
December 19, 2016 1:54 pm

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Reply to  John Boles
December 18, 2016 10:44 pm

Mike MacKenzie, unfortunately, spam not in a can is free. Only the meat can you avoid.

constitution1st
Reply to  John Boles
December 19, 2016 4:29 am

This is what tanks the whole “Climate Change” scam.
Carbon is either warming the planet or cooling it, it can’t do both.

Kenny
Reply to  constitution1st
December 19, 2016 8:13 am

Yeah but you can’t make judgements (in either direction) based on what happens in one location. It’s common knowledge that Earth, and any planet, has long term weather patterns that change over time. The surface area of the US is only 1.93% the surface area of the whole Earth.

Politically_Unaffiliated
Reply to  constitution1st
December 19, 2016 8:20 am

Climate vs Weather. There is a massive difference between the two. I am a politically independent person who works in climate science with a very politically diverse group of people under a prominent military contractor answering to retired generals within the NSF. Translated: The US Military is very interested in staying up to speed and getting ahead of this citing the massive displacement of Syrians due to desertification of their breadbasket. Discrediting facts about the climate with weather reports is a devious misinformation campaign that benefits no one. This is literally a matter of national security and if you think our issues with Mexican migrants are bad now, wait until their fields go fallow.

Reply to  constitution1st
December 19, 2016 4:21 pm

@Politically_Unaffiliated: Are you attributing the failure of the Syrian breadbasket to climate? Good heavens! Pretending that agricultural failure in a very particular war-torn, neglected region is climate change is contradicting your point. The community here is simply reacting to the common MSM attribution of the recent El Nino to CO2 induced climate change. Blaming the plight of the Syrians on CO2 is like blaming the plight of Haitians on CO2 while the citizens of the Dominican Republic (same Island) are doing just fine. If human beings abuse creation, pull up all the plants and neglect their local environment then bad things will happen. If they nurture plants, more CO2 will help nurture them more. Pretty basic biology and physics.

old44
Reply to  constitution1st
December 19, 2016 7:50 pm

CO2 may not be able to produce cooling but Global Warming does.
Don’t you read the propaganda?

TA
Reply to  constitution1st
December 20, 2016 10:53 am

“The US Military is very interested in staying up to speed and getting ahead of this citing the massive displacement of Syrians due to desertification of their breadbasket.”
There is no rule that says a U.S. military member cannot be delusional. Those members of the U.S. military, of any rank, who believe this Syrian exodus crisis is caused by CAGW, should be retired and replaced with rational people.

hunter
Reply to  constitution1st
December 23, 2016 4:27 am

Politically unaffiliated, if you are honest about what you say you do and the views of whom you say you work for, your entire organization needs to be completely reformed and each and every one of you climate change kooks needs to be fired. If you are so ignorant as to buy into the con job that the Syrian civil war is due to climate, you are clearly lacking in the judgement and intelligence to be given anything more responsible than that of barrista.

Chimp
Reply to  constitution1st
January 1, 2017 5:24 pm

Politically,
The armed forces have been ordered to “combat climate change”, so they salute and provide lip service.
The Syrian civil war has zero to do with “climate change”. The refugees are fleeing war and the destruction of their cities and towns, not “climate change”.
Syria is not desertifying. Like the rest of the planet, it is greening thanks to more plant food in the air.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  John Boles
December 19, 2016 6:43 am

Anthony writes:

As this plot of hourly temperatures shows, the average temperature is 16 degrees. F, which is 4 degrees colder than any time last winter. What’s worse, the coldest part of winter is still six weeks away.

And the atmospheric CO2 ppm, as measured atop Mauna Loa, is still in its bi-yearly increasing cycle, just the same as it has done every year during the SH “summertime season” as per the recorded quantities over the past 58 years.
And iffen the CO2 measurements atop Mauna Loa had begun 100 or 130 years ago, the recorded Record would show the same bi-yearly cycling of CO2, Decreasing from NH spring thru summer (May to Sept), …… and increasing from NH fall thru winter( Oct to May).
Even though it is a biological impossibility, …… most people still believe that the microbial decomposition of dead biomass during the cool, cold, frigid, freezing, snowy, icy NH “wintertime” is responsible for the “outgassing” of far, far, FAR greater quantities of CO2 …… than all of the microbial decomposition of dead biomass during the warm, damp, wet, hot NH “summertime”.

rocketscientist
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
December 19, 2016 7:51 am

The CO2 levels always lag the temperature swings.
Typical religious fervor of the greenies, always identifying the wrong cause and sacrificing the wrong victims. In their desperation they might decide its time to double down and toss another virgin into the volcano.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
December 20, 2016 5:05 am

The CO2 levels always lag the temperature swings.
“Yup”, ……. and the bi-yearly atmospheric CO2 ppm levels always lag the temperature swings of the ocean waters in the Southern Hemisphere.
Shortly after the Summer solstice occurs on June 21st, the ocean waters in the SH begin to slowly warm back up as the overhead Sun progresses southward toward its bi-yearly crossing of the Equator on September 21st (Fall or Autumnal equinox). By the time the Fall equinox occurs, the ocean waters in the SH have warmed enough to begin outgassing copious amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere. And of course, as the afore stated progresses, the little dab of ocean waters in the NH begins their wintertime cool-down
The ocean waters in the SH will continue to outgas copious amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere as it continues warming back up as the overhead Sun progresses toward its southern most point of latitude, the Tropic of Capricorn, where it will be on December 21st (Winter solstice).
After the Winter solstice occurs, the overhead Sun will begin its northward journey toward its bi-yearly crossing of the Equator on March 20th (Spring or Vernal equinox) ……. but the “cooling down” of the ocean waters in the SH takes a lot longer than the “warming-up” did, ……. thus the outgassing of CO2 from the SH ocean waters will continue for like 60 days (mid-May) after the Spring equinox.
And of course, as the afore stated progresses, the little dab of ocean waters in the NH begins their summertime warm-up.
The “signature” of the SH ocean water’s bi-yearly ingassing/outgassing of CO2 is denoted on the Keeling Curve Graph of 58 years of measurements of the “steady & consistent cycling” of atmospheric CO2 ppm quantities.
steady & consistent” ……. axial rotating and orbital revolving, to wit:
http://www.almanac.com/sites/default/files/d6/seasonalvariations-edited.jpg

Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
January 1, 2017 3:50 pm

Sam, Earth’s orbit is elliptical. I live in the Northern Hemisphere. Fall and Winter are the short seasons (89 to 90 days and 90 to 91 days respectively so let’s count days 8 or 9 + 31 + 30 + 31 + 31 + 28 + 20 or 21 or about 179 to 181 days out of 365. So an average year (for whatever that’s worth) 180 days of fall/winter and 185 days of spring/summer. Hmm, I wonder if there is a Julian Day calculator that could output a series by year. The leap year adds one day to winter). The vernal equinox for me is either March 20th or the 21st. The Autumnal one is either September the 22nd or the 23rd. September is about 2/3rd summer and 1/3 autumn, approximately (actually the autumnal part of September is generally 8 days, so it is even less than that!). March is 2/3rds winter and 1/3 spring approximately (and since the spring part is usually 10 days, it really is about 1/3).

Reply to  John Boles
December 19, 2016 8:25 am

Anybody need a Plumber? Sorry – not funny! but I thought it might heat you up a bit.
The Nation is getting a taste of what is come – yes, really! In the Science Journal Nature an Astrophysics Theory was recently confirmed via direct observation of the Sun’s activity. This portends three (3) decades of Planet Cooling. This is expected to be in place by 2025 and last until 2055. NO! Not an Ice Age.
What will occur is major changes in weather patterns for Regional Areas and will be subject to abrupt changes. Agriculture production will be in the most danger. Note: The Astrophysicist do not directly address the consequences.
Not to worry. If over 60 most of us will be long gone!

December 18, 2016 1:38 pm

Had record lows in my city the last two mornings (-11 and -6 F),normally seen late December to mid January. The coldest start in December in at least 10 years.

Reply to  Sunsettommy
December 18, 2016 7:04 pm

Look at the data manipulations of the leftists at NASA:
One of things we find is that, across the world, record low temperatures typically have happened at a latter date than record highs. If we had actually just gone through a century of runaway warming we’d expect the record highs to have happened very recently, and the lows to have a long time ago. But it’s the opposite!
Like the record for the hottest day ever on the planet was set in 1913. The coldest day? 1983. That should be reversed. In 7 out of the 8 continents the record high … was set before the record low.
NASA can’t fudge the record high / low records. Those records remain the same (unless broken). In a sense the record of high & low temperatures has to be considered more reliable because they cannot be manipulated by the climate leftists.
Steven Goddard Tony Heller just did a *great* post today on the brazen data manipulations of our leftist opponents as NASA, with direct links to the different versions of the NASA data:
http://realclimatescience.com/2016/12/proof-of-man-made-global-warming/
This paragraph is the heart of his post:

“In the year 2000, NASA showed a total of 0.4C warming over land. In
2012, they showed 1.0C warming. Now they show 1.3C warming. They have
tripled global warming over the past 16 years. All of this data was
taken directly off the NASA web site.”

Also, the commenter TA said downthread:
“There are charts from all over the world showing the 1930-1940’s were as hot or hotter than [today]. That is, the charts show this before NOAA/NASA modified them to conform to the CAGW speculation.”

S
Reply to  Eric Simpson
December 19, 2016 3:31 am

“In 7 out of the 8 continents”
Please explain the identity of the eighth continent.

Reply to  Eric Simpson
December 19, 2016 6:27 am

There has been a lot of very serious global warming on Atlantis. That’s why the unicorns and manticore have gone extinct.

S
Reply to  Eric Simpson
December 19, 2016 7:43 am

“TallDave (@TallDave7) on December 19, 2016 at 6:27 am
There has been a lot of very serious global warming on Atlantis. That’s why the unicorns and manticore have gone extinct.”
Thank you for the clarification. I seem to have forgotten my Plato.

Reply to  Eric Simpson
December 19, 2016 3:09 pm

I meant 7 not 8 continents. The data is right here: http://www.space.com/17816-earth-temperature.html
And my bad, it’s 7 out of 7! In all these continents the record low temperature was set after the record high temperature: North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, Antarctica.

SC
Reply to  Eric Simpson
December 19, 2016 8:20 pm

The state temperature record highs speak for themselves…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state_temperature_extremes
It’s a scam.

Jer0me
December 18, 2016 1:39 pm

I have never understood the concept that winter starts on the winter soltice (shortest day). It seems pretty obvious to me that all of December is part of the boreal winter. Likewise, all of December is pretty obviously part of the austral summer.

Trebla
Reply to  Jer0me
December 18, 2016 1:43 pm

Thank the Lord for global warming! Think of how bad it could have been without it!

Joe
Reply to  Trebla
December 18, 2016 9:44 pm

Cor those who believe in global warming research “the cost of building sea walls” . I know it’s dull reading but it explains why politicians are pushing hard for government action. Increasing people’s taxes is a difficult job. But with 100’s of billions in contracts at stake, these people will do whatever it takes to get you vote for it. Please educate yourself about this subject.

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  Jer0me
December 18, 2016 1:46 pm

You must be from the USA.
Anyway, read this and the next section therein:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter#Meteorological_reckoning
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Others, please if you tell us how cold you are, say approximately where.
I’m in central Washington State. Temp at 1/4 to 2 is: 16°F or about -9°C

Latitude
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
December 18, 2016 1:57 pm

…our low was 78F….and our high was 83F

Reply to  John F. Hultquist
December 18, 2016 2:05 pm

In Tampa it is a beautiful 82F (28C) at 5 pm.

pameladragon
Reply to  lorcanbonda
December 18, 2016 2:14 pm

In Appomattox, VA, now 52 F at 1712.
PMK

TA
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
December 18, 2016 2:25 pm

It’s 20 F right now in Northeastern Oklahoma, with a low this morning of 7 F. Luckily, the wind hasn’t been blowing too hard. Supposed to be about 8 F tomorrow morning, then things are supposed to warm up a little.

Reply to  John F. Hultquist
December 18, 2016 2:29 pm

My sw Wisconsin dairyfarm in the Uplands near Spring Green will be -9F this evening with wind chill between about -20 or lower. At those temperatures we had to move all the cows off pasture and into two very large feed sheds where we roll down and pin tarp wind screens to ‘seal’ them. The cattle warm the sheds into the +20F range. This is necessary to prevent udder frostbite, which is not a good way to make ice cream. Fortunately we came back to the Fort Lauderdale beach for Christmas, where it is presently 83F and only 3 degrees off the all time high for the day set in 1977. Both the cold in Wisconsin and the heat in Florida today are called weather.

Alan Robertson
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
December 18, 2016 2:33 pm

A balmy 8F in central OK at rooster crow this morning. Or was it 9F…. I was busy looking for my beach blanket.

stevekeohane
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
December 18, 2016 3:04 pm

A brisk 15°F as the sun lowers towards setting in west central Colorado. -4°F for the low, +20°F for the high.

Monna Manhas
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
December 18, 2016 4:02 pm

I’m in the southern interior of BC (Canada). The high today was -10C (14F) for the first time in a week. Lows have been -17C to -20 C, plus wind chill.

Dave
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
December 18, 2016 4:39 pm

Southwest Missouri this morning low 1 and high 16. Tonight’s low is expected 2 below. Wind chill last night – 13 had 4 inches snow. The Reverend Al Gore from The Church of Climatology is a fraud.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
December 18, 2016 4:39 pm

Had a nice afternoon lunch down at the Fishery Restaurant, outside by the water, shorts and t-shirt, comfortable and warm. Fresh grouper with hush puppies and curly fries, mmmmmmmm
Took a short walk along the pier, watched the pelicans diving in for fish (but no pink ones yet), coconut palms swaying in the light breeze. Good thing the Bucs play at 8:30 tonight, might have missed a near perfect afternoon.

M Seward
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
December 18, 2016 4:48 pm

In Tasmania we had a beautiful sunny day yersterday, cloud and wind and rain back today, heater on in mu office to start the day. It snowed the other day too above 900 metres or so. Its our summer…..after our wettest year EVER. So much for endless drought and scorched earth as the alarmist would have us live in fear of.

JohnKnight
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
December 18, 2016 5:44 pm

Perhaps a smidge below normal for this time of year, here in norht-central California . . near freezing to low fifties. We have those big rocky mountain thingies blocking most of the really cold air that pours into the middle States and eastward . .

Rotor
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
December 18, 2016 6:08 pm

It’s 76f at 2100L. With a high of 83f at noon in Merritt Island, East Central Florida.
Go Bucs.

Doug
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
December 18, 2016 6:11 pm

HA! Hate it for you… In Central Florida, I had to run the AC today! Keep warm, I’ll have an ice cold one for ya!

Bryan A
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
December 18, 2016 6:22 pm

Sonoma county Ca and as my dad used to say, “It’s colder than a witches tit in an iron bra”
Currently 43f/6c but got down to 25f last night

Reply to  John F. Hultquist
December 18, 2016 6:39 pm

Its minus 22 here 8:35 pm central time se minnesota. Our high was minus 8 today.

Tom
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
December 18, 2016 8:32 pm

Norfolk, Ne last night’s low was -20f Wind chill was -31f. Right now 10:27 p.m. Central time is 8f.
[Tough night for those army, air force, navy and Marines standing guard duty nearby, and everywhere else across the country! .mod]

Reply to  John F. Hultquist
December 18, 2016 9:03 pm

There is an old joke about Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada (famous for extreme wind chill) that “The climate of Winnipeg is 10 months of Winter and 2 months of hard sledding.”

Reply to  John F. Hultquist
December 18, 2016 11:40 pm

Chilly 24 degrees here, celsius.
Oh . Southern hemisphere.

tony mcleod
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
December 19, 2016 12:29 am

Min 72F(22C) max 93F(34C)

brian
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
December 19, 2016 12:58 am

Hey fool… We get it, it’s all about which hemisphere, which coastline, near coast or inland… I’m a meteorologist. That said I am in New Zealand Fiordland and snowlevel was 900 meters with near zero wind chills at sea level. It’s 2 days till official summer start and 20 days after what locals consider summer start…. Kiwis are freaking out… Don’t buy into any one persons post until satellite data is posted… That’s the true data from surface to stratosphere…. Not just 2m above surface, highly modified

constitution1st
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
December 19, 2016 4:32 am

Saturday was 26 and snowing in MA. Fairly typical for us in mid December.

Reply to  John F. Hultquist
December 19, 2016 5:14 am

Just had a week of -20 to -25 Celsius. With wind chill at times to -35. Today it is -1Celcius with a strong west wind. For Decaprio fans this is called a CHINOOK.

MW
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
December 19, 2016 9:29 am

Dallas: 16 at 0600 local. Not a record, but certainly far below normal.

Marty
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
December 19, 2016 12:38 pm

Minus ten degrees F at 7 AM this morning just north of Chicago, about six miles west of Lake Michigan.

highflight56433
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
December 19, 2016 1:14 pm

METAR 2016/12/18 2055Z 98.6 F

Richard Barraclough
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
December 22, 2016 3:13 pm

In South Africa at 26 deg south, 26 deg east, height 1320 metres (4400 feet) max and min of 38 and 20 C (100 and 68 F). Not too scary.

Ian Cooper
Reply to  Jer0me
December 18, 2016 1:54 pm

Jer0me. I can’t agree with your statement at all as far as the austral summer is concerned. Despite the summer solstice being in December, this month is still cooler than March every time. Even though the east coast of New Zealand has been having temperatures in the low 30 degrees C, The west coast has been 8 to 10 degrees cooler. This is the Fohn effect, well known in Europe and other places that have a spinal range running tangentally to the prevailing weather.
For us a good summer starts at Christmas, and a bad one sometime in January. Our hottest days are usually at the end of the first week of February, & the coldest are usually in July but can happen anytime from early June to mid August.
Winter starting at the solstice is not a ‘concept,’ it is a fact. If the Earth’s axis wasn’t tilted the way it is we wouldn’t have seasons like we do. We would be more like Jupiter which has very pronounced ‘zones’ with very little mixing as we know it on Earth.

Reply to  Jer0me
December 18, 2016 2:41 pm

Astronomical winter starts on the solstice. Meteorological winter starts on December 1st, and many records maintained by the US NWS are based on that.
You’ll often see the seasons abbreviated as DJF, MAM, JJA, and SON.
OTOH, here in New England, we’ve sometimes had the biggest snow storm of the snow season in October, and we’ve had crippling snow storms in May.

KRM
Reply to  Ric Werme
December 18, 2016 4:03 pm

Ian & Ric, astronomical winter is more complex that that and does not necessarily start at the winter solstice. In many European countries for example the solstice is considered mid winter as day length increases from that point, even though temperatures will continue to fall.

constitution1st
Reply to  Ric Werme
December 19, 2016 4:47 am

In Mass, May 17th, 1977 all the tress had their leaves and we got 12″ of cement snow. It was years before the trees recovered from the damage. Then the day of Halloween 2013 or 14 we got another foot of cement snow, the power was out for ten days. Thank god for natural gas fired steam heat.

Ditzkrieg
Reply to  Ric Werme
December 19, 2016 4:51 am

“OTOH, here in New England, we’ve sometimes had the biggest snow storm of the snow season in October, and we’ve had crippling snow storms in May.”
I’m a 56 year old New Englander. I’ve NEVER seen a season when the biggest snow storm of the snow season was in October, nor have I seen a single “crippling snow” storm in May.

Reply to  Ric Werme
December 19, 2016 6:29 am

http://forums.accuweather.com/index.php?showtopic=29630
This Day In History. 30 Years Ago Today. A rare 300 year type event, like the October snow.
NY Times Headline..
The Last Hurrah of a Feisty Winter Brings the Latest Spring Snow Ever.
The winter of 1976-77 was an exceptionally cold one in the central and eastern U.S., during which snowflakes were seen in metro Miami
The latest spring snowstorm ever recorded in the New York metropolitan region blustered over much of the Northeast…closing schools, snarling traffic and cloaking newly plowed fields and the delicate blossoms of May in a harsh reprise of winter.
In New York City, snow fell briefly in midmorning and in the early afternoon as a day of intermittent rain, sleet and hail passed drearily. The snow on May 9 was the latest record in any spring since record-keeping begain in 1869. The previous record for the latest spring snow was May 4 set in 1946. And that was just sleet.
May 9, 1977 — A late season snowstorm hit parts of Pennsylvania, New York State, and southern and central New England. Heavier snowfall totals included 27 inches at Slide Mountain New York and 20 inches at Norfolk, Connecticut. At Boston it was the first May snow in 107 years of records. The heavy wet snow caused extensive damage to trees and power lines. The homes of half a million people were without power following the storm.
Snowfall Amounts included:
Norfolk: 20″
Hartford: 1.3″ (all on 5/9)
Worcester: 12.7″ (11.4″ on 5/9; 1.3″ on 5/10)
Boston: 0.5″ (Trace on 5/9; 0.5″ on 5/10)
New York City: Trace (all on 5/9)
Newark: Trace (all on 5/9)
Providence: 7.0″ (6.7″ on 5/9; 0.3″ on 5/10)

Steve Case
Reply to  Jer0me
December 18, 2016 2:41 pm

I think seasons are some what arbitrary. That each season is exactly 1/4 of the 365.25 day year or must begin on the first day of a month or an astronomical turning point is a convention with no real attachment to reality. The reality is fuzzy. The first and last frost vary greatly from year to year. Often all you can readily get is monthly data.

Carbon BIgfoot
Reply to  Steve Case
December 19, 2016 5:48 am

That’s why there is a Farmer’s Almanac—don’t you know!! (sarc) (sarc)

Annie
Reply to  Jer0me
December 18, 2016 4:18 pm

Sunday evening at the outdoor Carol concert in North Central, Victoria, Australia we were perishing cold. We are more usually assailed by multitudinous flies and heat! I think the forecast is for hot days around Christmas.

ebev
Reply to  Annie
December 18, 2016 10:52 pm

Even in California, it’s hard to imagine Santa in shorts!! 😉 Christmas carols must sound pretty silly to you guys.

Reply to  Jer0me
December 18, 2016 4:30 pm

You are correct. Meteorologists use the entire months of Dec, Jan, Feb as Winter which does make alot more sense that using the astronomical dates of the 21st.

Mark Luhman
Reply to  Johnny Rebel
December 18, 2016 8:31 pm

In northern Minnesota, and North Dakota it more like November, December, January, February and March. All of those months can have temperatures of -20 or lower. In fact, Itasca Minnesota has had days -30 or lower in those months.

Del
Reply to  Jer0me
December 18, 2016 6:12 pm

December 1st. is the official start of the Meteorological Winter according to the NWS and Environment Canada.

Tom
Reply to  Jer0me
December 18, 2016 7:46 pm

I have never understood the concept that winter starts on the winter solstice

The current calendar, including the seasons was established by Pope Gregory XIII, a few centuries back. Popes don’t have a strong record when it comes to science, like the one who said Galileo was wrong about the earth orbiting the sun, or the current one who is wrong about catastrophic anthropogenic global warming.
Gregory did improve a few things with the calendar. There is a phase shift between temperature and daylight, with temperature lagging daylight by about a month, depending on your location. The Gregorian calendar has it lagging by 46 days. That’s not bad science, for a pope. If I were pope (for a day) I would specify four month winter and summer seasons, centered around the one month phase lag. The remaining four months would split between two month “change” periods of spring and fall.

Reply to  Tom
December 18, 2016 9:04 pm

High latitude summers are only about 40 days before winter returns.

D.J. Hawkins
Reply to  Tom
December 18, 2016 9:45 pm

Gregory didn’t give a hoot about the seasons. He was trying to get Easter back in sync with Passover.

ralfellis
Reply to  Tom
December 19, 2016 6:03 am

The Gregorian shift was because of the precession of the equinox. The ecliptic rotates 30 degrees every about 2150 years, and if you don’t allow for this the equinox and solstice dates get out of synch with your calendar.
Due to the rise of Christian ignorance, which triumphed over Roman, Greek, Judaean and Gnostic wisdom, they forgot all about the precession of the equinox for nearly a thousand years (since 650 AD). And so it became apparent in the time of Gregory (1580s) that the calendar was completely wrong, and out of synch with the seasons, and had to be shifted by 13 days (or 13 degrees).
This is like modern astrology, which is out of date by about 1800 years (cannot be bothered to work out an exact figure). Again, it has not been updated with precession since the beginning of the Christian era. And so if you follow modern astrology, you will be following the wrong sign of the zodiac.
Ralph

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Tom
December 19, 2016 1:46 pm

@ralfellis
Sorry, you can’t blame that clunker on the “ignorant Christians”. Until that time, everyone in the Christian world followed the Julian calendar. You know, as in Julius Caesar, the Roman dude.

Reply to  Tom
December 21, 2016 5:38 am

The Gregorian calendar was created by *astronomers*, principally Clavius.
When you sneer at “not bad science, for a pope”, you are sneering at work done by one of the foremost scientists of the day, NOT the pope.

Reply to  Tom
December 21, 2016 5:42 am

PS: The Gregorian calendar has nothing to say about the seasons per se. European explorers had got to South Africa in the previous century. The mathematicians and astronomers who worked on the Gregorian calendar knew perfectly well that the seasons start at different times in different places and that the world has two hemispheres.

Reply to  Tom
December 21, 2016 6:02 am

@ralfellis: The precession of the equinoxes was never forgotten. It was described in Ptolemy’s Almagest, which was the standard astronomical textbook of the Middle Ages. Europe didn’t need a new calendar because they had *forgotten* Roman wisdom, but because they hadn’t: they were still using the Julian calendar of Rome.
Please, people, this is supposed to be a SCEPTICAL site, where we are interested in what is TRUE about climate (and other things), not about airing our pet prejudices and our own ignorance. Everyone who spouts easily refuted rubbish about the past undermines the credibility of our claim to be interested in truth.
I’ve read a fair few ancient Gnostic works (in translation) and it’s news to me that they had any calendrical or astronomical wisdom whatsoever not shared by the cultures of their time. I’d like to see a reference for this claim.

preservationgifts
Reply to  Jer0me
December 18, 2016 9:19 pm

By the average temps in my area, winter = Dec, Jan, Feb. Hard winter, with the lowest averages and records, = Jan 1 – Feb 10.

rocketscientist
Reply to  Jer0me
December 19, 2016 8:05 am

Um…That’s the definition relative to orbital mechanics. Really the heat and cold or summer and winter are artifacts of the definition. We associate the cooling/warming of the hemispheres as calendar driven, but the calendar was created from the orbital positions of the earth an its axial tilt relative to the plane of the ecliptic.
Winter is a time of year like 6:00 PM is a time of day. We associate cold in the winter because winters in the northern hemisphere are cold. Winter = Cold but Cold ≠ Winter.
BTW When its winter in the northern hemisphere its summer in the southern hemisphere. If it begins warming more quickly in the southern hemisphere due to local weather does their summer start before the north’s winter? This year it seems as though you would have the winter starting sooner in the north than summer can arrive in the south.
Definitions needs to remain as baseline anchors.

Reply to  Jer0me
January 1, 2017 4:00 pm

It is an astronomical thing and our calendar is based on it. The solstices happen at fixed points based on the elliptical orbit and the rotation axis’s tilt. Changing the amount of the tilt does not change the two fixed points. (Yes the orbit is actually a toroidal ellipsoid as it is perturbed by other astronomical bodies whose gravitational accelerations apply torques to the main orbit around the solar barycenter and the Earth-moon barycenter. Meteorological seasons start at the beginnings of the respective months. Local conditions don’t have to follow the calendar nor our meteorological conventions.

Reply to  cdquarles
January 1, 2017 4:01 pm

*as long as the tilt is greater than zero and does not cross zero, I should add.

Gunga Din
December 18, 2016 1:43 pm

The all time record ambient temperature for the little spot on the globe I now live on was -22 F set in January of 1994.
I’ve lived before where the temp was lower.
I don’t want to go through that again. (These older bones seem to feel it more.)
Is it too late to fire those coal plants Obama shut down?
Not sure if I should end this with a 😎 or a 8-(.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Gunga Din
December 18, 2016 1:46 pm

TYPO!
“record ambient temperature”
Should be:
“record low ambient temperature

Ack
December 18, 2016 1:45 pm

Record low -16F (-12F 1983) I hope this winter is nothing like 1983.

Craig Moore
Reply to  Ack
December 18, 2016 2:33 pm

The other day it was -35F degrees at Dunkirk just east of Shelby Montana. The F in this case is short for effing.

Reply to  Ack
December 18, 2016 6:49 pm

One morning back in 76 or 77, i came off a mid night shift as an air traffic controller and the reported temp was minus 34 with a wind chill of minus 71. My car door wouldnt close. We have block heaters on our cars in minny and i had mine plugged in to an outlet. Needed the cord to tie the doors closed. Scary . Your car breaks down in the boonies with that kind of cold your in serious dodo. No cell pho es back then either.
On the other hand it was 5 degrees on Fri and my neighbor was ice fishing. Nuts huh!

JohnKnight
Reply to  immafubared
December 18, 2016 7:58 pm

Catch and release? ; )

Reply to  immafubared
December 18, 2016 8:13 pm

I believe I was returning from winter camping in the Boundary Waters then.
We’d had fun dog sledding at -10F, but temps were crashing as we left Ely.
It was -50! The rental car wouldn’t start and we had to be towed to Duluth.
Extraterrestrial cold.

rocketscientist
Reply to  immafubared
December 19, 2016 8:10 am

Living in Minnesota and you didn’t spray WD-40 into your door mechanisms as part of the winterization? Bet you won’t make that mistake again.

Reply to  immafubared
December 21, 2016 6:04 am

“Serious dodo” = personal extinction?

Tom Halla
December 18, 2016 1:46 pm

Given political theater, this looks as if it is not a good year to push a evil global warming theme.

Mohatdebos
December 18, 2016 1:48 pm

But, but AP’s Seth Borenstein wrote a column that was printed in newspapers around the country that last year represented the “new normal.” The new normal sure didn’t last long. Talk about fake news.

Auto
Reply to  Mohatdebos
December 18, 2016 1:56 pm

Mohatd
In AP’s circle – that was real!
Maybe not news, I grant you.
And wildly off for much of the whimsically called ‘fly-over’ states.
But, hey – when is Brown-tonguing the Bosses a Bad move for Borensteins?
Auto amazing appalled at awful alliteration.

Steve Case
Reply to  Mohatdebos
December 18, 2016 2:53 pm

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! The new normal! Over at NOAA’s Climate at a Glance if you plot a trend for maximum summer temperatures (June through September) there’s a downward trend for 20 of the lower 48 states going back to the 19th century, nearly all of it in the Mississippi and Ohio river valleys. Conversely winter maximums have trended up. As such if there really is any change, the new normal is a milder climate.

December 18, 2016 1:50 pm

Our low Friday was -4°F, the first time that we (Boothbay, Maine) have had below zero temperatures in December since 2013.

Auto
Reply to  John Gaffey
December 18, 2016 1:59 pm

John
Wow.
Three years.
Might this have some relation to weather?
Or was your comment encapsulating that? As I expect.
Auto.

Admin
December 18, 2016 1:51 pm

Got to watch that global warming…

Auto
December 18, 2016 1:52 pm

Many have written on here that the r e a l killer is cold.
This emphasises those many [thousands?] of comments.
Of course it is [directly, I know].
We in the UK ‘usually’ get what the US ‘has’ – about 4-6 weeks later.
I think I will try to spend January under about four quilts!
Maybe February, too . . . .
Auto

Mike
Reply to  Auto
December 18, 2016 2:27 pm

We also normally get this cold 4 to 6 weeks from now. Southern New England and England generally track one another.

Macusn
Reply to  Mike
December 18, 2016 3:17 pm

I was in Ft. Lauderdale in middle school when an announcement was made over the intercom. Everyone go outside it is snowing! This was Plantation Middle school around 1975 or 6. The snow would melt in the air from the heat of your hand.
Mac

Nick Ryan
Reply to  Mike
December 19, 2016 2:21 pm

Macusn, I was in my junior year at Deerfield Beach High School. It was around Easter of 76, if my memory serves me (not always the best barometer). Me and my brother were walking to school and it started snowing – we were, like, “what the f…?” I seem to remember it devastated the Fla orange crop. Like you say, the snow melted instantaneously but it was a big deal.
Right now I’m in the south of Spain, there have been several strong winter storms already (flash floods across Malaga, Valencia and other provinces) and the temperatures are pretty low for autumn-winter.
The Guardian is saying that the low temperatures are due to high arctic temps melting the arctic ice, driving the jet steam south and causing a negative NAO. It also says 50,000 people died as a result of a record heatwave in Russia this summer. If so I don’t remember seeing that figure reported before.

Nick Ryan
Reply to  Mike
December 19, 2016 2:42 pm

Whoops. Just re-read the Guardian article. Says 50,000 died from Russian heatwave in 2010. Apologies for the error. Still seems a high figure though.

Reply to  Mike
January 1, 2017 4:18 pm

I remember snow flurries in the deep South on May 1st one year. It was evaporative cooling that caused the snow. I was in elementary school, so that was the 60s, either 1966 or 67. I remember walking to school (high) in 1974, in late May, the week before Memorial Day, with the morning low in the 30s F. No frost or freeze, but the wind was something else. Still, it never got to single digits or even below zero. That happened in the 80s and later.

pameladragon
December 18, 2016 1:54 pm

While I am delighted to see the alarmists hoist on their own petard, I really wish it were getting warmer! I’ve lived through the warm and cool periods since the middle of the 20th C and I have had about enough of the cold ones. I remember being in south Florida when Tampa got 4 inches of snow and we got down to 28-29 in Ft. Lauderdale! It hurts to see the orange groves glittering with their coating of ice to try and save the crop from destruction, that happened in the late 80s.
PMK

Henry Galt
Reply to  pameladragon
December 18, 2016 2:29 pm

“.. Think I might go work Orlando, If them orange groves don’t freeze ..” – Tom Petty

December 18, 2016 1:55 pm

October was an unusually cold month

December 18, 2016 1:55 pm

Casper Wyoming had a record setting -33F (-36C) on December 8th. We’re up to a balmy 15F (9C) with 23 mph wind. December 17 and 18 were way below zero again, but not record setting.

Reply to  Reality check
December 18, 2016 6:26 pm

Reality, a balmy 15F is that not -9C?

R.S.Brown
December 18, 2016 1:55 pm

It’s SO cold even the sunspots are staying in today:
http://www.spaceweather.com/images2016/18dec16/hmi200.gif

Auto
Reply to  R.S.Brown
December 18, 2016 2:01 pm

And it’s not even the Solstice.
Auto – absolutely astonished at the acceptance of adverse alliteration in all anti-media.

rocketscientist
Reply to  Auto
December 19, 2016 8:15 am

Auto, minor correction, what you are doing is called assonance not alliteration. 😉

Walt Peterson
Reply to  R.S.Brown
December 18, 2016 7:40 pm

Exactly! That’s WHY its cold. There is a very strong relationship between sunspot activity and average global temps.

NEAL A BROWN
Reply to  R.S.Brown
December 18, 2016 11:26 pm

LOL!

Steve Fraser
Reply to  R.S.Brown
December 19, 2016 6:09 am

I see a Greyhound… No spots.

Robert W Turner
December 18, 2016 2:02 pm

Broke the low record for Wichita (-7F) (-4F 1983) Topped out at 32F below average.

December 18, 2016 2:07 pm

Cold SSTs are persisting worldwide including in the North Atlantic and North Pacific. Not to mention the Southern Ocean around Antarctica – that goes without saying. These could influence the NH winter.
http://weather.unisys.com/surface/sst_anom.gif

Gary Pearse
Reply to  ptolemy2
December 18, 2016 2:30 pm

The above SST map is for October, you have to click it for the present, then see how much bluer it is!!!

Reply to  Gary Pearse
December 18, 2016 6:44 pm

Gary I just did that, what a difference and were is all this cold water coming from? It does not look promising for Jan through to April. We have had snow on the ground for 2 weeks and lows of -15C next to our large lake but at the Airport about 6 miles away from the lake it got as low as -24C. But it is warming up together with the usual heavy snowfall.

Steve Fraser
Reply to  ptolemy2
December 19, 2016 6:11 am

Slick through to see the current one.

December 18, 2016 2:13 pm

So what – it’s the global average that matters, and that’s what we’d be saying if the U.S was unusually hot at the moment, wouldn’t we?

Reply to  GregS
December 18, 2016 2:32 pm

A global ‘average’ temperature is, by definition, almost required to be wrong at any given moment in time.
It is nothing more than a trend line.

Non Nomen
Reply to  HotScot
December 18, 2016 10:12 pm

Very much like the average world telephone number.

Reply to  GregS
January 1, 2017 4:22 pm

The global average temperature is about as meaningful as the global average human. No one lives there and no one as met one.

Jane Davies
December 18, 2016 2:13 pm

I live in Campbell River on Vancouver Island, our climate is very much like back home in southern England. Frosty mornings….lots of rain, not much snow. Last week-end we had two feet of snow dumped on us in two days, since then we have had records broken for minus temps overnight (-14 one night) and minus temps during the day and now the snow is frozen solid, today more snow. So unprepared is the city, used to a much milder climate, that it was days before all the roads were safe to use. This is unprecedented for this part of BC…….go figure!

Reply to  Jane Davies
December 18, 2016 2:47 pm

Dear Jane,
you’ll be comforted to know that back here in good old Blighty (Kent) we have been blessed (again) with balmy (or should that be Barmy) weather recently. Days of 10 – 15 degrees Centigrade and evenings no lower than 5 degrees Centigrade. But thank’s for the head’s up, as is pointed out elsewhere on this thread, we usually get US extreme weather 4 – 6 weeks later.
Fortunately, it’s what we sceptics refer to as ‘weather’. I know, I know, a radical statement in our world of climate alarmism, but there we go.
Merry Christmas from a not so Dickensian era (I live in a cottage with bullseye windows and have never seen snow on them at Christmas, really disappointing. I have been here for 30 years!)
HoHoHo…….7 more sleeps 🙂

1saveenergy
Reply to  HotScot
December 18, 2016 3:20 pm

23.20 GMT
https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/1000hPa/overlay=temp/orthographic=359.00,66.25,271/loc=-1.508,51.389
Green = +0°C
Blue = 0 to -9°C
Lt Blue= -10 to -29°C
Pink = -30 to -60°C

Jane Davies
Reply to  HotScot
December 20, 2016 7:31 am

Merry Christmas back to you……miss my homeland at this time of the year. Maybe you will get a white Christmas this year!

Steve Fraser
Reply to  Jane Davies
December 19, 2016 6:15 am

Perhaps unprecedented in recent times. When George Vancouver explored the region, he found a glacier coming out of the mouth of what is now Glacier bay.

December 18, 2016 2:14 pm

This cold os Russian propaganda via Siberia, climate interence feom Putin. US Congress should waste some more time investigating this.

Reply to  joelobryan
December 18, 2016 2:47 pm

Russians hacked USHCN on Putin orders. Planned to favor Trump who is skeptical of CAGW and influence election faking polar vortex. Caused Hillary to lose (Podesta has assured us yet again today), because voters KNOW weather forecasts are accurate 6 weeks in advance, just like Climate models are accurate a century in advance. IPCC said so; must be true.

Reply to  joelobryan
December 19, 2016 2:32 pm

Russians have set up a huge line of diesel powered fans across northern Russia to blow their own cold air across the North Pole and into the US.
They hack our computers.
They send us their cold air.
This means war !

December 18, 2016 2:32 pm

Evidence that the 1930s were hotter worldwide than today:
First, realize this:

There’s no argument about this: the 1930s were hotter in the USA than now.

In 1999 NASA’s James Hansen agreed:
“It is clear that [in the USA] 1998 did not match the record warmth of 1934.”
In 1978 the N.A.S. showed the Northern Hemisphere to be hotter:
http://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Screenshot-2016-01-31-at-05.15.34-AM.png
The Northern Hemisphere makes up 64% of the earth’s land.
Plus, the Southern Hemisphere was particularly sparse at the time as far as thermometer placement.
And the USA in particular had the most extensive reliable set of ground thermometers compared to the rest of the world. So, the temperatures in the rest of the world were probably, in the 1930s, more like the USA and the Northern Hemisphere.
A final point, two days ago Judith Curry reported that the USA had much more hot days then today:comment image

TA
Reply to  Eric Simpson
December 18, 2016 4:37 pm

“And the USA in particular had the most extensive reliable set of ground thermometers compared to the rest of the world. So, the temperatures in the rest of the world were probably, in the 1930s, more like the USA and the Northern Hemisphere.”
There are charts from all over the world showing the 1930-1940’s were as hot or hotter than any subsequent year. That is, the charts show this before NOAA/NASA modified them to conform to the CAGW speculation.
I guess I ought to get a list of those charts together and post them.
You always get the argument from the alarmists that the 1930’s heat was limited to the U.S. and was not global, but that is clearly not true when you look at unadjusted charts from around the world.
And to top that off, as far as proving the high temperatures of the 1930’s-1940, were worldwide, we have the Climategate scandal emails that describe how the Climate Change Gurus entered into an international conspiracy to get rid of the 1940 GLOBAL “heat blip”, which confirms that this heat was worldwide and not restricted only to the U.S.
They wouldn’t have had to enter into an international conspir@cy if it were only the U.S. that was extra hot during the 1930’s. If that were the case, they could just make the same argument they make today: That it was restricted to the U.S. But they didn’t make that argument did they. Instead they went to all the trouble of changing every temperature record on the globe to delete the hot 1930-1940 record.
Now, they pretend the Hockeystick chart is the best representation of the global temperature record. The Hockeystick chart was created to order for the purpose of promoting CAGW. It’s the only visual they can show to bolster their case, and its information is completely bogus.
Considering the damage this lie has done to the entire Earth, someone, or a lot of someones, ought to be prosecuted and punished.

TA
Reply to  TA
December 18, 2016 6:28 pm

Here are some charts demonstrating that the exceptionally hot 1930-1940 period in the U.S. was not the only place in the world with similar temperatures. I have some charts from South Africa, too, but I can’t find them right now. They have the same temperature profile as the ones below, meaning the 1930-1940 era is as hot or hotter than subsequent years. I think you can see that high temperatures were not restricted to just the U.S. during this time period. This was a global heatwave.
Here’s Greenlandcomment imagecomment image
Iceland
http://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Reykjavik2011-2016.gif
http://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Screen-Shot-2016-11-20-at-10.28.02-PM.png
http://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Screen-Shot-2016-11-20-at-10.26.56-PM.png
http://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Vestmannaeyja-2011-2016.gif
Englandcomment image
Australia (Cairns)comment image
Congo
http://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Screen-Shot-2016-09-23-at-5.53.54-AM.gif
http://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Screen-Shot-2016-09-23-2-at-5.53.54-AM.gif
http://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Screen-Shot-2016-09-23-3-at-5.53.54-AM.gif

barry
Reply to  TA
December 20, 2016 1:47 am

Here’s a global graph made by prominent skeptics Jeff Condon (who has submitted articles at this blog) and Roman M. They believe their method to be superior to the institutes’.comment image
If that doesn’t display you can view at the following link, as well as their NH as SH temperature chart.
https://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2010/03/24/thermal-hammer/
According to their methods, Recent temps were warmer globally than 1930s.

Reply to  barry
December 20, 2016 8:56 am

@barry
I am sure we had this conversation before
it is simply impossible to compare ‘global’ T of before the 1950’s with global T after the 70’s
1) I challenge you to show me a certificate of re-calibration of a thermometer before 1948? How could global T possibly be the same if re-calibration of thermometers was only stipulated as from the 1950’s?
2) before the 50’s we had 4 or 6 visual observations of T a day by somebody who had to be present – However, who was present 24 hours a day? really? globally? you are kidding me…
3) since the 50’s and 60’s we had wind up recorders that would go around and measure T and humidity on a daily recorder sheet, but now, what to do if the ink ran dry? And do you honestly think that anyone in those days really worried if calibration on those recorders was out by more than 1K? I think there were quite a number of days when it was simply forgotten to change the sheet or wind up the clock….
4) since the 70’s we have thermo couples that get calibrated to a tenth of a degree K every year and the computer makes a measurement every second and prints the average for the day + max and min. No dependency on anyone… everything completely automatic….
Barry, please give me your own input / data that would make you trust the graph that you favour.
I am willing to concede that due to some movement of earth’s inner core there has been more warming in the Nh then here in the Sh. Like I told you before, here where I live there has been no ‘warming’ whatsoever and last when I checked it was the same where you live in Australia. So, in any case, there is no “global” warming…..

barry
Reply to  TA
December 20, 2016 1:02 pm

Hello Henry.
So your answer to the people commenting that the 30s globally were possibly warmer than current is that they cannot know because the data is unreliable.
I should like to see all US December (or Winter) data for the period you think data is valid, and find out if this December is unusually cold. I read that last Winter in the US was the warmest in the instrumental record. This includes post-1950. So a cold moment this December doesn’t seem to be such a big deal, then, does it? Not after a record-breaker….
As to the chart – I refer to it because it is made by skeptics using RAW data. You should check out their work.

Reply to  Eric Simpson
December 18, 2016 8:02 pm

Outstanding work, TL!
If we establish beyond any reasonable doubt that the 1930s were hotter than today then it will make a mockery of the entire global warming thesis.
If the 1930s were hotter than today the whole AGW scam is an absolute joke.
One thing is clear: if the 1930s with all its record high temperatures were not hotter than today, then they were almost has hot. There’s no crisis here.
In fact there’s no climate problem at all. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. These climate leftists have been spending what amounts to trillions of $$ … in an effort to restrict our quality of lives and surrender our freedoms to a leftist UN global governance. That’s their hidden goal because they also know the climate’s not broken. I hope Trump breaks this scam wide open. We have to accept nothing less.

TA
Reply to  Eric Simpson
December 20, 2016 11:20 am

“If we establish beyond any reasonable doubt that the 1930s were hotter than today then it will make a mockery of the entire global warming thesis.”
That’s what I’m thinking, too. No more of that “hotter and hotter” BS (Bad Science). You can’t do “hotter and hotter” when we are in a temperature downtrend from the 1930’s to the present day, like a REAL surface temperature chart would show.

Simon
Reply to  Eric Simpson
December 18, 2016 11:16 pm

Eric Simpson
this is not true and even if in some part of the world it was warmer back then, so what? Globally we are far warmer now.

Wilbur
Reply to  Simon
December 19, 2016 1:29 am

Scam. Simon, you need to get out more.

hiram floss
Reply to  Simon
December 19, 2016 4:47 am

Simon, as much as makes you FEEEEEL good about yourselfth to be “vitally concerned” about globull warming if you actually took the time to do even cursory research into it you’d find REALLY quickly how totally FALSE and inaccurate/adjusted/fudged the “data” is. and if you also researched how CO2 is affected by the sun and ocean temperatures AGAIN you’d stop bleating the sky is falling we need MORE taxes to save us. the ocean is by FAR the largest CO2 repository/sink. CO2 is released when the ocean warms NOT the other way around and HINT the “warming” cycle started over 800 YEARS AGO. you know, before there WERE any bad man made machines and bad oil usage.

Rainer Bensch
Reply to  Simon
December 19, 2016 4:48 am

So what?

Mike Turner
Reply to  Eric Simpson
December 19, 2016 6:03 am

If you go even further back, in Mark Twain’s ‘Life on the Mississippi’, where he documented a journey he made down the Mississippi in the 1880’s, he mentions Natchez as being the northernmost location where oranges can be grown outside without protection and that oranges were commonly seen growing from that point on South. Today you can only grow oranges south of New Orleans. In ‘Escape of General Breckenridge’ by John Taylor Wood, where he documented the escape of General Breckenridge, the Confederate secretary of state from Union forces at the end of the Civil War. As they made their way down Florida to Cuba, he mentions harvesting coconuts at abandoned homesteads on Merritt Island. Today you have to go south to Jupiter Inlet to find coconuts. Searching classic literature for mentions of where cold sensitive crops are found growing is another way to research past climate.

TA
Reply to  Mike Turner
December 20, 2016 11:48 am

“Searching classic literature for mentions of where cold sensitive crops are found growing is another way to research past climate.”
Very Good comment. There are lots of historical records that could apply to the climate that have not been researched very much in the past.
I know that all railroads in all countries record the temperature and general weather conditions every day and have been doing so back to the 1800’s. I worked for a railroad at one time, and we recorded the temperatures four times a day and every station up and down the line would do the same and report the numbers to the central dispatcher’s office where it would be written on the trainsheet.
I have no idea if any of this data is still available, but it was available at one time. Trainsheets are what you need to look for (if you are so inclined). They list all the trains that were run that particular day, and various other items of information, including the weather conditions and temperatures of all stations within the dispatcher’s operating area.
Another valuable resource is old newspaper clippings of weather conditions and temperatures which are still out there undefiled by NOAA and NASA. They can’t erase/change that data. It’s there to be had and is as accurate as anything available.

TA
Reply to  Mike Turner
December 20, 2016 12:00 pm

“The Northern Hemisphere makes up 64% of the earth’s land.”
And the USA makes up ~2% of the Globe.
“And the USA in particular had the most extensive reliable set of ground thermometers compared to the rest of the world. So, the temperatures in the rest of the world were probably, in the 1930s, more like the USA and the Northern Hemisphere.”
I’m happy with that degree of agreement, Simon. 🙂
That’s what I always assumed, that the U.S. temp would be representative of the rest of the NH, because the atmosphere *does* circulate, and when you consider that the 1930’s was exceptionally hot, and the exceptional heat lasted the entire decade, I don’t see how in the world that heat would not spread around at least the NH and probably the entire globe.
We’ll agree to agree on that one.

TA
Reply to  Mike Turner
December 20, 2016 12:06 pm

“This is what the TOBS adjustment did to remove that warm bias.
Would you advocate they go back to that?”
I would advocate transparent, documented, reproducible changes to the temperature record.
Simon, just because some adjustments are needed doesn’t mean all the adjustments that have been done were necessary or correct.

Toneb
Reply to  Eric Simpson
December 19, 2016 6:16 am

Eric, TA:
“The Northern Hemisphere makes up 64% of the earth’s land.”
And the USA makes up ~2% of the Globe.
“And the USA in particular had the most extensive reliable set of ground thermometers compared to the rest of the world. So, the temperatures in the rest of the world were probably, in the 1930s, more like the USA and the Northern Hemisphere.”
The thermos may have been reliable, but the observers weren’t.
And no you cannot make that magical self convenient jump……
Now, let’s see if I can think of a simple way to observationally skew temperature recordings… would that be to take the max temp (and reset the thermo) in the early evening. That way it would ensure that should the next day be cooler, then the max temp at the time the thermos was reset would be recorded as the maximum for that day too!
Splendid – that’ll do it (sarc btw).
Unbelievably this is what a large number of US observers did back in the 30’s/40’s.
The clue is seeing the same max on two consecutive days, eg 33.3 and 33.3 when in actual fact if a cold front moved through (say) overnight and the actual max on the second day should have been (say) 24.4.
This is what the TOBS adjustment did to remove that warm bias.
Would you advocate they go back to that?
From Nick Stokes’ Blog:
https://moyhu.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/a-necessary-adjustment-time-of.html
Also, AGW theory says that there will be a steady increase in minimum temps.
There has … this for the US….comment image
Oh This gem….
“Scam. Simon, you need to get out more.”
You’ve no idea how bizarre that statement is, have you?
Did Apollo11 land on the moon??
Would take more organisation as it’s global. There are a tad more Met agencies than just the US ones.
Look, we need to know if we are comparing apples with apples. Back then nobody had any idea that their recordings would be looked at critically by future climate scientists. They have been and found to include inhomegenities.
That you turn logic and completeness so that proper comparison can be made, into a global scam is way, way, down the rabbit-hole, and sorry, it has to be said. The world just is not as wacky as your conspiracy theorising ideation has it.
TA:
First off, a few individual stations corrected for inhomegenity will have zero effect on a global mean.
Second putting up a graph of max temps in March says zero about the ave temp of England on an annual basis.comment image

Reply to  Toneb
December 19, 2016 7:44 am

Tone, it’s been warmer the last decade because there is more water vapor getting blown over all of the surface station on the continents which hold most of the surface station on the planet. And it’s only because of the ocean decadal cycles alter the distribution of the warm surface waters over time. Same as what the El Nino/La Nina do on shorter time scales.
The only argument left is the extra energy from Co2 evaporate more water. The average solar energy of the ncdc gsod dataset of +/-23Lat tropical station is 216w/^2 for 24 hours =5,200Whr/m^2/day How much energy does co2 add? 3.7W/m^2?
1.7%
I calculated climate sensitivity from surface seasonal temperature change compared to the energy available above the clouds as it also changed, an effective sensitivity, no where is it above 0.02F/W
Times 3.7 = 0.074F
And I’ve shown water vapor controls cooling at night.
So you have nothing.
Which also means this warm spell is going to go away.

Reply to  Toneb
December 19, 2016 7:01 pm

Toneb, I sincerely agree with your cutting observation that “The thermos may have been reliable, but the observers weren’t.” My favorite narrative on that subject is to ask people to envision those measures taken in 1880 by old men wearing bi-focals and bathrobes in N. Dakota, in blowing snow, in February. And we expect 0.1C resolution? Ha! That doesn’t even consider the fact the instruments used were “mail order”, never calibrated after issue (perhaps not even before issue) and the records were delivered by horse or train until the telegraph was widely available in the US.
Essentially, records made prior to modern communications are proxies. Any attempt to join them with satellite or even pre-telephone records should have large error bars.
The honest truth is we only have reliable records back to the time mass transportation and advanced communications technology became available. Everything before that is pretty much an informed guess.
For the record (and for the sake of the topic) yesterday it froze in Paso Robles CA and the low for the day (12/18/16) was 22F. It’s happened before but it’s unusual. I expected it and continue to expect that a La Nina will bring the Pacific coast a colder and much wetter winter this year.
Of course, that’s just weather.

Reply to  Toneb
December 19, 2016 7:12 pm

BTW, I don’t mean to bitch about 22F in Central CA in December. I’ve spent the past 17 years in Lincoln County WY. In October of 2007 I touched a metal part on my John Deere 4630 without thinking and froze my hand to the tractor. It was -27F. That’s cold.
22F in December is why I moved here.

DonK31
December 18, 2016 2:35 pm

In my part of SW FL we got up to nearly 90F today with a low tonight of around 70.
Our refusal to participate in winter is why the FL population will increase by 10 million in about 2 weeks. In which direction are climate refugees supposed to migrate?

Reply to  DonK31
December 18, 2016 2:55 pm

Yes and that is why Florida has cockroaches that wake you up at night demanding to be fed, bee’s with a bad altitude, ugly walking fish and now an abundance of the world’s top predator, pythons. I’ll stick with 4°F this morning, no mosques!

December 18, 2016 2:46 pm

“I can’t wait for FRIDAY, JANUARY 20th, 2017, when THE AMERICAN spring starts.
There, fixed that for you.

Glenn999
Reply to  R. Shearer
December 18, 2016 4:46 pm

thanks R. Shearer
Very timely and fun to watch!

GreatGreyhounds
Reply to  R. Shearer
December 18, 2016 6:38 pm

+100, Sir!

phthisis1942
Reply to  Ken Barber
December 19, 2016 12:43 am

Absolutely, positively the best comment in the last eight years anywhere!

Gary Pearse
December 18, 2016 2:49 pm

Can’t we twitter this to Trump? Friday in Eastern Ontario it was -25C during the day. It was supposed to warm up today – it did rising from -23C to -13C but is going back to -23C tonight. Also, except for about a week or ten days in November, it has been colder than usual since October. Met Office in UK was on to a good thing when they finally acknowledged The Pause a couple of years ago and boldly stepped out and forecast cooler weather over the following 5 to 10 years. It was the only longer term forecast they have had that had a chance, but they got back on the GW bandwagon when temps were Karlized. I guess they’ll refloat the old forecast and pretend they believed it all along, because we are going to have a cold spell. That would be better than going slavishly with the NOAA/GISS flow.

December 18, 2016 2:53 pm

This is more a reflection of how warm things were last winter than this winter so far.
Several weather events last year here near Concord NH have been exceeded this year by events this December.
Event: last year -> this year.
Coldest December low temp: 18.2 F -> -2.2, -0.6, 1.7, 3.7, 8.6. 16.4F
Coldest December high temperature: 25.1F -> 11.4, 21.4, 22.7, 24.8F
Biggest snowstorm, entire season: 4.9″ -> 5.2″ and 5.0″
Deepest snowpack, entire season: 5.0″ -> 9.0″
Note that 11.4F high temp is significantly less than the coldest we had last December!
Except for that cold day, this December is pretty average so far. Utterly boring compared to 2007/2008 which started with 52.5″ of snow in December. Last year I had 22.5″ for the entire season!

December 18, 2016 3:03 pm

It is kind of silly that the seasons shift on the solstices and equinoxes . That’s why I’ve always had my annual parties on MidWinter ( when I lived in Manhattan ) and MidSummer since I’ve moved to the Front Range .
6 weeks seems a long estimate till the coldest point . I looked at this crudely back for my 1984 MidWinter Party , http://cosy.com/Science/CG84-tempsEnhanced.jpg , and concluded the lag was only a couple of weeks . What’s the long term average ? I’m sure it’s shorter up here at 2500m .
Here’s to welcoming perihelion coming Jan 04 14:18 at a distance of 0.9833094 AU .

Reply to  Bob Armstrong
January 1, 2017 4:36 pm

For where I live, the lag is 4 +/- 6 weeks after the solstice. That’s right, the coldest days have happened, on occasion before calendar winter or just before calendar spring (superstorm/blizzard of 1993 coldest temps of the winter were in mid-March. Typically, though, my coldest month is January and the hottest one is July.

Allan M R MacRae
December 18, 2016 3:06 pm

I blame global warming!
🙂

John@EF
December 18, 2016 3:19 pm

[Shrug] Who cares? Why the trolling, Anthony? The coldest part of Winter in the USofA is six weeks away? How do you know? Aren’t you going to cover the corresponding record high temperature regions of the globe?

jono1066
December 18, 2016 3:24 pm

Cant wait for you guys on the other side of the pond to get the hang of the newfangled Degree Celsuis scale, it would save me having to get out the calculator every time .
but then you probably dont even use real pints and gallons over there either.

Arbeegee
Reply to  jono1066
December 18, 2016 3:40 pm

Heck, I have trouble converting Celsius to Centigrade.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Arbeegee
December 18, 2016 7:22 pm

It’s quite simple, really. Someone at UEA gave me this formula: Take the Celsius temperature, subtract 40, then multiply times 1.8. Now add 72 and divide by 9/5. Viola, degrees Centigrade. Ask nicely, and next week I’ll give you the formula to convert from Rankine to degrees API.

Stu Miller
Reply to  jono1066
December 18, 2016 6:00 pm

I personally, like the smaller, more precise degree F.

Reply to  jono1066
December 19, 2016 4:42 am

Fahrenheit is the superior scale for humans, even if everyone didn’t carry around a pocket computer that can trivially convert values:
Kelvin: 0 = dead, 100 = dead
Celsius: 0 = cold, 100 = dead
Fahrenheit: 0 = really cold, 100 = really hot

Reply to  Nationalist Voltron (@MontyDraxel)
January 1, 2017 4:39 pm

100 F is about core body temperature for a human (note, not oral, for that one is affected by inhaled breath and ingested objects).

CheshireRed
December 18, 2016 3:27 pm

This is only weather. When it’s hot – THEN it’s climate.

December 18, 2016 3:27 pm

“Democracy is the homicidal bitching that goes down in every kitchen to determine who will serve and who will eat….”
Leonard Cohen

Reply to  Steve Heins
December 19, 2016 7:43 pm

Steve, I see you’re a poet or at least an appreciator of fine poetry. Paul Simon, Leonard Cohen, I’m sure there must be others. +100

taxed
December 18, 2016 3:36 pm

John@EF
The only place where the high temps are of any interest is in the Arctic at the moment. As the warming of the Arctic is causing cold air to flood southwards. Care to guess what change it could cause to the climate if it became a long term trend.

Brett Keane
Reply to  taxed
December 18, 2016 4:53 pm

@taxed
December 18, 2016 at 3:36 pm: To start with, it would pay to remember that the winter pole is a nearly infinite sink. Very low tropopause, no sun, Miscalled ‘warmth’ has c.250K gradient, short trip to the void. Plenty of room there for all the heat we can send….with no return postage.

taxed
Reply to  Brett Keane
December 18, 2016 5:00 pm

Yes at this time of year the Arctic will just eat up all the warmth its sent, and then send down a “Arctic blast” as a “thank you”. 🙂

December 18, 2016 3:47 pm

The coldest day will be Jan 20th.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  jeanparisot
December 18, 2016 7:25 pm

Thereafter will the winter of our discontent be made glorious summer.

December 18, 2016 3:50 pm

Does make you wonder exactly how cold NH winters have to be before the warmists stop calling for – however unworkable – temperature reduction measures. I mean look, the models say the World is frying and never mind that it’s like Martian spring outside, we absolutely must heave petatons of crushed rock into the stratosphere in order to haul temperatures ever lower. The dim is quite without precedent yet endlessly fascinating in a train wreck kind of way.

Reply to  Ric Werme
December 19, 2016 7:49 pm

You’ll perhaps notice the correlation between “colder than Mars” and Red (fly-over) States? Does anyone wonder why the “Blue” states are on the outskirts of that region? Hmm.
I wonder how many cAGW alarmists have signed up for Mars 1?

Rob
December 18, 2016 4:06 pm

U.S average temperature 16°F – colder than any time last winter, and winter hasn’t started yet!
Thanks for that, but near Edmonton it was -26 C here yesterday morning, and I’ve already had all the winter I want to see. That’s about two weeks now of temperatures around -20 C On a better note, it warmed up over night and was -2 C this morning.

December 18, 2016 4:08 pm

I was just looking at national conditions as shown on Intellicast. It is frigid out there for a large part of the nation. I happened to have the interactive map centered on Holcomb Kansas. They set a new record low last night of -19F. That is 18 degrees below their average. …http://www.intellicast.com/Local/Observation.aspx?location=USKS0269

Richard M
Reply to  goldminor
December 18, 2016 6:12 pm

Actually, it is 36°F below the average.

Reply to  Richard M
December 19, 2016 4:22 pm

I realized that after posting. I should have said 18 degrees below the previous record low for that day. It was also 2 degrees lower than their all time December record low temp. Very chilly, 20F here where I live is cold enough for me

Thomho
December 18, 2016 4:21 pm

Feel for you folk in cold norhern climes
Down here in Melbourne Australia today will be 30 c with similar temp for Chriistmas day
Santa sure sweats alot in his heavy gear which is why we leave a bottle of beer out for him and he never fails to polish it off whats more
But not unusual as we average 30 days a summer of 30 c plus with a few up in the 40’s c
Merry Christmas -if we are still allowed to say that

Reply to  Thomho
December 18, 2016 6:50 pm

I guess pretty soon we’ll see the millionaire tennis players downunder whining about it being to hot to play!

Mark Luhman
Reply to  Thomho
December 18, 2016 8:44 pm

40 C is our average summer late June, July and August temperature. Now that I live in Mesa Arizona. It beat the 045.5 C I saw in Ray North Dakota in 1983 or 1983, having spent 55 years in Northern Minnesotan North Dakota the last nine years in Mesa has been great, my arthritis feel fine at 40 C not at -22 C when I was back in North Dakota a couple weeks ago to meet my new grandson. I have seen -40 C far too much living in the North, I much prefer +40 c, I will even take 46 C over -50 C any day of the week. We had several days of 46 C last summer.

Reply to  Thomho
January 1, 2017 4:47 pm

Where I am, Christmas reached 70F/ 21C. Nice and not unheard of and it was wonderful to not have to turn the heat on. Big cold blast happened after Christmas and it is expected to thaw briefly (again reaching near 70F tomorrow the 2nd) before another cold blast. When these strong clippers come through, it is often quite cold behind them and warm ahead of the next one. They pull real tropical air up ahead of them (thus the 70s) and real arctic air behind them (thus the below average highs in the 30s/40s (1 to 5C). Now don’t get the idea that this means no mosquitos. It does not at all. They just go dormant when cold and active when it gets above 40 to 50 (5 to 10C). To actually kill the locals, it has to get really hot (40C) or really cold (below zero) for an extended period.

etudiant
December 18, 2016 4:28 pm

Always thought that the Druids had it right, they centered the seasons on the solstices, so Dec 21 is midwinter and June 21 is midsummer.
That way we can enjoy early spring.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  etudiant
December 19, 2016 5:12 am

There should only be two seasons, summer and winter and they both start and end on the equinoxes.

Kennyt
December 18, 2016 4:32 pm

Record High of 86 degrees today in SW Florida… thanks to the Nuclear Freeze that we were warned about by the same people that have brought us Global Warming… Go Figure!!!

Cube
December 18, 2016 4:38 pm

Here in the People’s Republic of NJ, 40 miles S. of the Big Apple, it was 16 on Thursday, 23 on Friday, in the 40s on Saturday and 60 today. It is now 38. All temps in degrees F.

Peter Morris
Reply to  Cube
December 18, 2016 6:10 pm

I escaped from the PDRNJ in part because of the cold, which isn’t even really all that cold by northern standards.
But one day I dropped my daughter off at preschool and it was 2 deg F.
At 9 am with full sunshine. Too cold for a guy raised in GA.

December 18, 2016 4:42 pm

Global Warming anyone?
From Palm Beach Florida — Merry Christmas YOU ALL.
Current Temperature in Palm Beach: 80 degrees

Steve from Rockwood
Reply to  Rick Fernandez
December 18, 2016 5:19 pm

Kelvin? It’s worse than we thought 🙁

Bill Powers
December 18, 2016 4:47 pm

This is just the kind of weather that causes alarmist to argue that you can’t conflate weather with climate. So remember that next hurricane season.

taxed
December 18, 2016 4:47 pm

Looking at the jet stream forecast chart its looking like the Mid-west of USA will be in for a other cold blast just in time for Christmas.
For those of us here in the UK there looks like there maybe a chance of snowfall on Christmas Day. A area of low pressure looks like it will passing over Scotland during Christmas Day. When it passes through the wind will swing around to the NW and North during the night. So there maybe a fair change of some snowfall during Christmas night. lt maybe worth a putting a bet down for having snowfall at Christmas. With Newcastle at 7/2 and Edinburgh at 5/2 looking like the best bets to go for.

G
December 18, 2016 4:48 pm

That global “warming” will kill a man…. 🙁

Al D
December 18, 2016 4:49 pm

We’re in for one of the coldest winters in a century. That’s to be expected in a cooling trend, which is what we are entering despite all the hydrocarbons we have released into the atmosphere.

Wilbur
Reply to  Al D
December 19, 2016 1:41 am

It’s been shown many times now that the temperature of the Troposphere does not track with the rise and fall of atmospheric CO2 – besides, plants will thrive in response to any increase and buffer it out. There are a number of greenhouse gasses, but water vapor trumps them all – buy your Al Gore atmospheric water vapor condensers now before the rush.

TA
December 18, 2016 4:51 pm

Drudge has picked up on this post.

Editor
Reply to  TA
December 18, 2016 4:59 pm

Bummer! I was going to be the first to announce that! I shall accuse you of copying my homework.
8<)

December 18, 2016 5:05 pm

81 in Miami, no problems here.

December 18, 2016 5:06 pm

The whole Global Warming “crisis” is all emotion. The Alarmist’s claim that anthropogenic CO 2 is the cause because it’s a greenhouse gas. What they never acknowledge is that CO 2 is essential to life and human emission account for less than 4% of total carbon emissions. Also ignored is the fact that water vapor is 99.99% the result of nature and it dominates the greenhouse effect accounting for 95% while total CO2 emissions add 4% to the G.H. Effect. Even if you want to believe CO 2 is the cause of warming, do the math…..Take.4% humans produce into the 4% that CO2 adds to the greenhouse effect and you get 0.16%……..Humans add less than 2/10th of one percent to CO2’s G.H.Effect! Bottom line – we have no control over the climate!!!!.

Jennifer
Reply to  Jack Mitchell
December 18, 2016 5:14 pm

Is CO2 the cause or the result of warming?

Reply to  Jennifer
December 18, 2016 7:34 pm

CO2 is the result of warming.
In reality, and contrary to the lies that Al Gore presented in his movie, there is zero evidence that CO2 causes climate warming. CO2 does not lead but *follows* changes in temperatures. This outstanding 4 minute video makes that point about CO2 clear as day:

Simon
Reply to  Jennifer
December 18, 2016 11:31 pm

Eric Simpson
Yes well…. this movie is a laughing stock and it really should be called “the Great Global Warming Comedy Movie.” It is so full of made up facts no one quotes it any more.

Reply to  Jennifer
December 19, 2016 5:35 am

Earth’s climate history contradicts the “Carbon is the Cause” theory. During greenhouse warm periods CO 2 levels were much higher than today but it did not prevent the glacial periods that followed. Conversely, during glacial periods the climate warmed despite low levels of CO2.

Bill
December 18, 2016 5:09 pm

Well comradegrandmuftihusseinobama can now add solving the global warming crisis to his list of “accomplishments.”

December 18, 2016 5:12 pm

Never mind frost bites, THE PLANET IS ON FIRE!

Steve from Rockwood
December 18, 2016 5:16 pm

It has to be cold in the Arctic or it doesn’t count.

Reply to  Steve from Rockwood
December 18, 2016 5:35 pm

Go to “the arctic” and report back.

Steve from Rockwood
Reply to  Richard Moore
December 18, 2016 7:04 pm

Only a moron would go to the Arctic in the winter. A fool would go there in the summer. But does it matter how cold it gets in the USA? Climate change is fixated on the Arctic.

December 18, 2016 5:30 pm

The good news it will still be the warmest year on record – as long as you fudge the numbers

dlmstl
December 18, 2016 5:32 pm

In the early 70’s they hyped ‘cooling’. Then it was global warming followed by climate change and now extreme weather variations. Nothing like trying to play football with movable goal posts! The bunch puts the ‘o’ in wacko! It’s getting harder to tolerate them when their prognostications continue to get debunked.

three eyes raven
December 18, 2016 5:32 pm

What are we doing people?! I demand that we up the anty with Global warming! Stop driving your little g@y hybrids, and start driving more gas guzzlers! If Global warming is man made then, we need to make more of it before it’s to late! If we don’t get make more then we’re looking at global cooling! And that’s man made too, by not not making enough global warming! It’s simple logic people! Wake up and start polluting it’s too cold outside!

Mensa Graham
December 18, 2016 5:33 pm

Thank God for global warming!

December 18, 2016 5:33 pm

Global warming (aka climate change) is the religion of the stupid. Sheep, lemmings, and Leftists are easily manipulated.
zazzle.com/FirstPrinciples?rf=238518351914519699

F. Ketchum
December 18, 2016 5:44 pm

I believe the honest scientist’s telling us we’re headed for trouble.
Cold Trouble..!

excaptain
December 18, 2016 6:00 pm

30 here in Homer Alaska 5PM

jpatrick
December 18, 2016 6:01 pm

I have a new 51″ snowblower for the tractor. I’m ready.

December 18, 2016 6:07 pm

In Honolulu, it’s a balmy 77 degrees on Sunday, 4 PM. Listen to Teddy Novak, he knows what he’s talking about.

That My Name
December 18, 2016 6:12 pm

Had enough of this loony tune globull warming hoax yet? I think you have.

Richard M
December 18, 2016 6:23 pm

Here in balmy Minnesota we have a low of -20°F and a high today of -8°F. Obviously, this is all because we are a blue state. The rest of the country should be much warmer.

Steve Thomas
Reply to  Richard M
December 18, 2016 7:03 pm

Karma dude. You’ve been cursed by your neighbors’ hysteria.

David Vik
December 18, 2016 6:25 pm

Left Northern Minnesota this morning and the temps in a ten-mile radius of our home ranged from minus 27F to minus 38F actual temperature, not wind. We packed the car in those temps and headed for Florida!

Jim G1
December 18, 2016 6:29 pm

21 below zero F Thursday night, without wind chill. One of the coldest nights I’ve seen in the last 20 years. Elevation 5000 ft here north central WY.

Alemke
December 18, 2016 6:35 pm

Wow! Trump isn’t even in office yet and he’s already changing the weather – Making America Cool Again!

December 18, 2016 6:36 pm

Trump’s Making America Cool Again!

Eric
December 18, 2016 6:37 pm

What about the LEFT and their cry about Man-Made Global Warming??? MAN-MADE GLOBAL WARMING is the second largest hoax pulled upon Mankind,…. right behind Barack Obama himself!!! ANYONE believing in this totally fake and made up bullshit, should be put out to pasture ! ! !

SerfCityHereWeCome
December 18, 2016 6:42 pm

Despite all the Goebbels Warming, the weather where I live is almost exactly the same as it was 20 years ago. The only difference is, now I live on the TX Gulf Coast and 20 years ago I lived up on Wrong Island.

Steve Thomas
December 18, 2016 7:01 pm

If this global warming gets any worse, we’re all going to freeze to death. Oh wait, I forgot. It’s no warmer now than it was in the 1940s.

richard verney
Reply to  Steve Thomas
December 18, 2016 11:40 pm

I forgot. It’s no warmer now than it was in the 1940s.

IF that is so, and I consider that there is quite a bit of evidence suggesting that that might be the case, that is the material point. Since 1940, man has emitted some 95% of all manmade CO2 emissions, all without any measurable increase in temperature. That says a lot about Climate Sensitivity to CO2.

December 18, 2016 7:02 pm

I read a report two months ago by a guy who is a sun spot expert. He was predicting an extremely cold winter this year, especially the ne part of the country. He went on to predict we will have 10 to 13 years of this. Were entering some kind of cycle he said. Lets hope he was wrong. It was 29 below here in se minny last night.

rascal69
December 18, 2016 7:03 pm

Currently a nice 14F in southeast Michigan, heading to a balmy 1F sunrise. Very thankful for AGW or it would be really cold.

December 18, 2016 7:04 pm

damn global warming, oh wait, they have it covered, they are calling it climate change now, thank goodness, for a minute there I thought they were all just your average run of the mill nutjobs…

NOAA
December 18, 2016 7:12 pm

We haven’t finished revising the data yet, but trust us: it’s hot, hot, hot!

Steven Koch
December 18, 2016 7:12 pm

This is only my 3rd year Dasmarinas, Philippines, But it is definitely colder/cooler than the previous two. The warming alarmist better understand, and quickly, Food/crops, trees, all organic species grow and thrive in warm weather, If we are, as history tells us at the end of a 10,000 +/- year warm period, it will be followed by a 400,000 ice age. I’ll take the heat, most won’t survive the cold. In any case, none of us get of here alive .

Grey Ghost
December 18, 2016 7:44 pm

Why is “global warming” always so cold?

Joe Campbell
December 18, 2016 7:45 pm

The global warming folks are awfully quiet…
Satellite data indicates that there has been NO WARMING for the last 21 years!

Smart Rock
Reply to  Joe Campbell
December 18, 2016 8:34 pm

Of course they’re quiet. They are busy trying to make the weather into the hottest (year/ month/ week/ day/ hour/ minute/ whatever) EVER!!!!! There’s a lot of adjusting being done and it takes concentration and dedication to tease the “truth” out of actual thermometer readings. Or perhaps they are composing news releases saying “it’s not a bad as we thought” (that’s a joke BTW)

ironicman
Reply to  Smart Rock
December 18, 2016 9:52 pm

It was hot in October 2015, especially in Tasmania and it had little to do with El Nino, apparently.
https://theconversation.com/climate-change-played-a-role-in-australias-hottest-october-and-tasmanias-big-dry-in-2015-70389

TA
Reply to  Smart Rock
December 20, 2016 12:38 pm

“There’s a lot of adjusting being done and it takes concentration and dedication to tease the “truth” out of actual thermometer readings.”
LOL! Good one, Smart Rock!

Grey Ghost
December 18, 2016 7:52 pm

I am more interested in a truckload of coal. Do you have any of that for sale?

Guillermo F
December 18, 2016 7:56 pm

Oh uh! This are not working out for the global warmin hoaxers. Haaaaahaaaa

December 18, 2016 8:43 pm

Well some still think all the Climate Change cult should be required to do their work outside with no man made heating or cooling equipment !
Sort of get the feel of it!

Reply to  fobdangerclose
December 18, 2016 8:54 pm

Too
All the farmers and ranchers out in each morning chopping ice for cows, horses, sheep and goats etal have skinin the game via the frost bite!

Reply to  fobdangerclose
December 18, 2016 9:02 pm

Blurt

December 18, 2016 8:59 pm

Here from the Drudge link as a test

Robert from oz
December 18, 2016 11:32 pm

If it’s any consolation to you guys in the northern hemisphere our summer in the Southern Hemisphere is mild so far .
Will someone for the love of humanity please start burning coal !

richard verney
December 18, 2016 11:33 pm

This, of course, is just weather, but that said, it has been an El Nino year so it may not be surprising that weather patterns are not usual.
In Southern Spain, the entire year has been cold. I have regularly checked the Windows 10 weather App, and for about 85% of the time it has been about 2 to 3 degrees cooler than the average for any given time of year.
My swimming pool usually reaches about 34 to 35 degC in July, but this year is struggled around 30 to 31 degC. On a few days it reached 32 deg C, but not higher than that. the pool containing a large volume of water is a very good indicator of the average temperatures.
Today is quite typical of the year. The forecast is for a high of 12degC, and the average high for 19th December is listed as 15degC. So about 3 degC cooler than usual.
Generally the year has been quite dry, but the past month has been very wet. Hopefully, the reservoirs will now be full and there will not be water shortages next year.
It might have been the warmest year in the instrument record (not that I accept that we can accurately assess this to 0.1 degC let alone 0.01degC), but if so, this has been over the oceans. Over the land in the Northern Hemisphere where we live, I am sceptical that it has been the warmest year on record (instrument record period). I have yet to speak to anyone who considers the year to have been unusually hot.

Frederik Michiels
Reply to  richard verney
December 19, 2016 1:38 am

it has been mainly over the oceans thanks to the blob we had and the el nino.
Land only data shows a different story: see hadcrut 4 data here on WFT
land only data on all sets shows even a slight cooling from 2007 to 2015 before it bumped up by the 2015-2016 el nino.
note that i talk here about land only data, the global data shows another story:

December 18, 2016 11:40 pm

Weather changes, duh. There have been ice ages and hot ages before any industry existed. The lure of grant money, taxation and control makes the parasite politicians and accomplices in the academic community push Climate Change narratives that scares the fearful little nimrods out of their minds. Absurd.

mountainape5
December 19, 2016 12:56 am

Wouldn’t it be nice to shut down Al Gore’s heating for a week in his mansion?

December 19, 2016 2:53 am

Although my ancestors survived the end 1800’s mini ice age in the arctic circle region, the global warming now here in North-Eastern France hurts my bones.

December 19, 2016 3:45 am

The Gore effect in action. 😉

December 19, 2016 5:18 am

Quite chilly for autumn, but buck up. Winter is usually colder.

December 19, 2016 5:22 am

ManBearPig!!!!!

Jeff
December 19, 2016 5:26 am

It is Trump’s fault of course. He asked his BFF Putin to crank up the old Russian weather machines so they would make mock of Al’s and Leo’s global warming money making scam.

December 19, 2016 6:16 am

The cold I do not mind. It is the ICE! And I had to drive to NoVA in it this weekend! Apparently there are still a lot of drivers that do not know to stay off the road.

Steve Fraser
Reply to  philjourdan
December 19, 2016 6:35 am

NoVA = Not Moving.

Reply to  philjourdan
December 19, 2016 9:31 am

You people down there are funny. If we styed off the roads every time there was ice, we would be stuck at home for 4 months every year. I was in Baltimore 3 years ago during a snow storm. I think people need to learn how to drive in snow and on ice. The drivers had no idea. In fact the whole city shut down. It was ridiculous.

Steve Fraser
December 19, 2016 6:34 am

Dallas, tx 0830 -7 C.

December 19, 2016 6:57 am

Its still sauna weather at NIOAA HQ

Ryan S.
December 19, 2016 7:40 am

It was cold up here for weeks in the Great white north, -30C, but then a DiCaprio blew in, (Chinook) and now we’re pushing +3C.

December 19, 2016 7:41 am

Since the meteorological winter starts at Dec 1st in the Northern Hemisphere it actually is winter now. Comparing the temperature on Dec 18th 2016 with last winter, which was the warmest winter (D,J,F) since 1900 for the lower 48, doesn’t really tell us much, other than weather fluctuates from year to year. Over the last few days i’ve seen a high of 26, followed by 33, then 57, now back to 32!

Reply to  Griff
December 19, 2016 3:23 pm

Is it colder across the Northern hemisphere, or are some areas milder while other are colder? What is the overall temperature?
I note the temperature in the Arctic remains stubbornly high.

Darrell Demick
Reply to  Griff
December 21, 2016 1:09 pm

Sure thing, Skankhunt42, next up is The Day After Tomorrow ….
I love the fact that the heat is responsible for the cold. The reason why there has been a loss of ice in the Arctic is due, entirely, to ocean currents bringing warm water north. Hmmmm, 4,000 years ago there was no ice in the Arctic and the polar bears survived quite nicely. Just remember, now that the oceans are cooling, dramatically, we will see the Arctic ice mass increase to the usual maximum in March next year. Time to wait and see.
And also please remember that 90% of the glacial ice mass on the planet, Antarctica, did grow from 1990-2003 by 82 billion tonnes per year. Does anyone have an update to that data, I do not like to quote information that is bordering on being 14 years old and would like to get an update – thanks!

December 19, 2016 8:39 am

Al gore needs to stop traveling across this country. Global warming is making my dog freeze his balls off.

December 19, 2016 9:27 am

Try to stay warm. Here in Calgary, we finally broke out of a 2 week long deep freeze (highs below -20°C (-4°f)). Today we are sitting at just above 0°C (32°f). It is forecasted to cool off a little again before Christmas.

December 19, 2016 10:54 am

it [the global cooling] is worse than I thought
lakes possibly to freeze over again
[do you keep good records of that?]
“I can’t wait for Monday, March 20th, 2017, when spring starts’
I have some bad news there.
Natural climate change might cause some shift in the seasons
looking at the sun, we are now in 1930… only 2 years away from the dust bowl drought
but it was hot in the summers during those years until 1939
and dry
very dry

Editor
Reply to  Henry
December 19, 2016 2:30 pm

Don’t rely on that sort of logic very much! The US already had a repeat of February 1934 in February 2015, thank you warm blob. Those two month were amazingly similar.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/03/08/1934-2015-a-tale-of-two-februaries/

December 19, 2016 11:23 am

climate change? it called season, some years are warmer, some are colder. It is a normal cycle

James at 48
December 19, 2016 12:41 pm

There were some black ice related commuting challenges this AM here in California. It’s a bit early for that sort of thing.

Joel Snider