
Guest essay by Eric Worrall
The Wall Street Journal thinks skeptics should embrace a carbon tax as a kind of insurance policy, against the possibility we are wrong about climate change. But what about risks arising from the neglected monitoring of real problems?
Why Climate Skeptics Should Support a Carbon Tax
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Even if you’re skeptical, you should probably still back a carbon tax. When you consider the range of things that could happen, odds are the country will still be better off.
Here’s why.
It’s an insurance policy. How certain are you that human-caused global warming is not causing irreversible harm? Let’s say 90%. That means you accept that there’s a 10% risk of serious economic damage. That’s enough to merit some sort of insurance policy. After all, attacks by unfriendly countries and terrorists are also pretty unlikely, but the U.S. still takes extensive and costly precautions against them.
Adopting a carbon tax now, especially if its revenues are used to reduce other, growth-damaging taxes, is a pretty cheap insurance policy. It is a much lighter burden on growth than command-and-control regulations or green-energy subsidies. It can also be implemented gradually so that the growth effect isn’t felt for a long time.
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Read more (paywalled): http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2016/10/03/why-climate-skeptics-should-support-a-carbon-tax/
My objection to this line of reasoning is there is simply no compelling evidence that global warming would be a serious problem, even if climate sensitivity is high. A few degrees of warming would not threaten food supplies – at worst farm belts would move a few hundred miles towards polar regions. Some important food production regions, such as the Canadian prairies, would become more productive.
There is also no evidence the economically harmful effect of a carbon tax could be mitigated – as the WSJ itself slyly suggests, with its comment that the tax could be implemented “gradually”, to delay the impact on growth. Punishing businesses which use a lot of energy, and refunding the money to less profitable businesses, is effectively an attack on entrepreneurial success. Under a revenue neutral carbon tax, the undeserving get a slice of the income of the productive.
There are real problems which we probably actually should be taking some kind of “insurance” against – climate change, despite the hype and desperate failed attempts to find genuine “climate refugees”, simply doesn’t qualify as a real problem.
The 2013 Chelyabinsk meteor (seen above) was a near catastrophe which should have served as a wakeup call. Without warning, the people of Chelyabinsk, Russia had a half megaton explosion occur almost directly overhead. Thankfully a long way overhead, or the damage and loss of life would have been severe.
Other recent meteor events, though smaller, are in some ways even scarier – the 2002 Eastern Mediterranean Event, if it had struck a few hours later, over India or Pakistan, could have triggered a nuclear exchange if it was mistaken for a first strike – at the time of the event, India and Pakistan were on the brink of war.
Skywatching for dangerous meteors probably receives at most a few million dollars every year.
Other neglected issues should also be serious concerns. The 2004 Indonesian Tsunami killed an estimated 230,000 people. Better early warning systems, such as those which guard Japanese coasts, would have saved many of those lives. The 2011 Japanese Tsunami killed around 15,894 people, and triggered the Fukushima nuclear disaster – but many lives were saved thanks to sophisticated and well functioning early warning systems.
One day frittering our resources on non issues like climate, while being complacent about a real dangers, will cost us.
Just off the coast of the US North West, there is a looming megaquake. When the 600 mile Cascadia fault triggers, maybe tomorrow, likely in the next thousand years, it will deliver large tsunamis which devastate hundreds of square miles of populated US territory over a long length of coastline, and will likely kill a very large number of Americans – unless American politicians stop spending all their time obsessing about climate, and start to take Earthquakes and Tsunamis as seriously as Japan does.
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The new Loyalists of the USA will not object to their government imposing a carbon tax because it will help further fuel the government programs that they thrive on. If these Loyalists succeed in electing their “Queen” it is hard to image this country recovering from this mindset outside of revolt.
Selling insurance with mis-priced risk helps (party) executives most and their unrelated power and budget plays. When the sales and marketing incentives don’t get the job done, they sometimes turn to forced results Wells Fargo style. No one needs misrepresented risk insurance at any price. Neither do we need a science scam run out of the White House with its advocacy group mercenaries.
Life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and mandatory government insurance payments for every conceivable future hazard just in case, no matter how unlikely.
Got it.
If you promise to covet surety, security, piety, propriety, and not hurt the State, say “what”.
The precautionary principle is no way to make policy. First, there is no reason to believe that limiting carbon dioxide emissions to some arbitrary number will slow/reduce/prevent additional warming (or other bad climatic outcomes). In other words, we could waste a lot of money on a carbon tax and the warming continues. My second objection is the exact opposite of that. If skeptics are right and the mild warming turns out to be a net benefit to humanity or it is easily adapted to, then we have wasted money to implement a carbon tax to address a non-problem. It makes no sense to do very much until we get more certainty on the possible outcomes and can better quantify the potential risks.
The other thing to keep in mind is that carbon dioxide emissions in the U.S. peaked in 2006. Our CO2 emissions have been mostly flat since then (thanks to substituting natural gas for coal to generate electricity). The rest of the world is responsible for the marginal global increase since then. And I promise you that even if we get fooled by charlatans into enacting a carbon tax to “save the fricking planet”, there are about 4-5 billion people living in countries that will not reduce their emissions. So, globally, emissions will continue to rise whether we enact a carbon tax or not. What the proponents of a carbon tax are essentially lobbying for is for us to reduce our standard of living so the 4-5 billion people living in “developing” economies who have no intention of limiting their emissions can improve their standard of living.
I’m worried about nonprofit advocacy groups seizing power. Is there a precautionary tax for that?
Taking vaccines is good.
Wearing a helmet and bubble wrap every day is bad.
Ask yourself why one is good and one is bad, when both provide clear benefits to health and safety. Perhaps this deep thinking exercise here as well.
Sorry need to change that last sentence…
…..Perhaps this deep thinking exercise applies here as well.
At least a helmet and bubble wrap offer a bit of protection in exchange for the inconvenience. Paying a carbon tax is like taking out a huge loan to buy the Emperor’s new suit of clothes. You get nothing in exchange for your money other than pretense.
ReasonablePseudo Skeptic:A “carbon tax” (or “insurance” payment) to prevent “climate change,” is like taking Coumadin, loads of it, to prevent being killed in a car accident.
Yup. That’s right. Natural drivers control climate. CO2 conjecture is mere fantasy science.
You would enact measures causing your health to be so fragile that a rogue wave knocking you over in your wading pool at the beach will kill you.
“Taking vaccines is good.”
Lost me right there.
No. using vaccines is not universally good. If you’re facing a known lethal pathogen, it’s good, otherwise it’s flat out stupid. You have an imune system. Use it or lose it.
“You have an immune system. Use it or lose it”. Bartleby, totally I agree with the premise of “use it or lose it” regarding our immune systems, we seem to run for the doctor for a paper cut and as soon as we get a sniffle we phone in sick. When I look at the school system with it’s lack of phys ed and the competition it provides, that to me is where it starts.
They are at the Bargaining stage in the grief process of the death of their CAGW ideology/religion, and they are sugar-coating the bad idea of a carbon tax, thinking we’ll fall for it. Nice try, WSJ.
Well this just puts me over the edge. I’ve subscribed to the WSJ since the ’80s. This election cycle has definitely triggered their editorial board. They are pushing the MSM / globalist line on so many topics. I just called to cancel my subscription. They asked why. I told them their editorial position was incompatible with mine. The (offshore) call center rep said there was a lot of that (cancellations) happening, They were asking for examples to send to management. I said, in order of most recent to oldest, Carbon, Clinton, and Snowdon.
The Precautionary Fallacy can be used to justify doing or not doing ANYTHING.
It is junk thinking fooling only the simpleminded.
The WSJ isn’t fooled — they know exactly what they are doing.
Re: H. R. Clinton: follow –> the –> money
(as has been said many times over the years).
“Adopting a carbon tax now, especially if its revenues are used to reduce other, growth-damaging taxes, is a pretty cheap insurance policy.”
Since when has a new tax ever been used to reduce other taxes? The Wall Street Journal knows better than to suggest such a thing. They also know that for a carbon tax to be effective, it has to reduce emissions by reducing energy use. Reduced energy use means slower growth, smaller profits, fewer jobs, smaller paychecks, and downsized lifestyles. Their proposed carbon-tax “insurance” will not pay out for any such losses. It causes them. Why would anyone buy an insurance policy that causes the very damages you are trying to prevent?
The Wall Street Journal used to be pro-business. What they are now proposing is clearly anti-business. Even in a best-case scenario, and even if the rest of the world follows suit, it will only reduce global temperatures less than a tenth of a degree over decades and will not have a noticeable affect on the climate. Who would propose such a destructive idea that is incapable of producing a noticeable benefit? They must really love tax increases to propose a carbon tax that is so damaging to business and jobs.
It’s an insurance policy. How certain are you that human-caused global warming is not causing irreversible harm? Let’s say 90%.”
No, let’s not.
Let’s call it 100% and treat the suggestion with the contempt it obviously deserves.
How certain are you that daytime TV isn’t causing solar flares? 90%? 40%? 3%?
Inquiring minds want to know.
We really need an insurance policy for bad public policy. But then the victims would be paying for the premium and risk caused by others. I guess it’s a not fault policy scheme.
Our President’s “balanced” approach to deficit reduction calls for budget cuts to go along with any new or increased taxes. The administration is already years late with the budget cuts that are suppose to have gone along with the tax hike on the rich and the ACA taxes. What budget cuts are being proposed to go along with any new carbon taxes as part of the President’s “balanced” approach to deficit reduction?
That is an insult. But two can play that. My suggestion is that they ought to not bother with carbon tax because there will be no warming caused by CO2. This is actually true and is based on science while their advice comes from scientific ignoramuses. It can be demonstrated that carbon dioxide is not warming the world now and never has bone it. Proof of this is so simple that even a child will understand it. Simply put the Keeling curve and global temperature curve (from NOAA, HadCRUT, or someone else) side by side on the same graph. What do you see? You see that the Keeling curve is smooth from start to finish but the temperature curve has ups and downs. If these ups and downs are anthropogenic they must be caused by greenhouse warming or greenhouse subtraction.. To start any greenhouse warming you must add carbon dioxide to the atmosphere and this will show on the Keeling curve that records atmospheric carbon dioxide. But guess what? There is no sign of any such carbon dioxide added or subtracted , going back as far as the year 1850. This means that none of the warm peaks or coolings (yes, there was a thirty year cooling too, from 1850 to 1910) that coincide with peaks and valleys of the global temperature curve. Obviously none of these peaks can be anthropogenic. They are all of natural origin and the anthropogenic greenhouse effect simply does not exist. It follows that no amount of mitigation can change the climate. All mitigation/decarbonation projects are worthless and have been started for nothing. They should all be shut down and the money refunded to states and organizations who were swindled out of it.
Don’t even try confusing us with facts! Troglodyte! CO2 is EVIL! Bad, Bad, Bad! Please step back into the sound proof booth.
I will also here reiterate my contention that mankind’s activities can have no influence on the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, which level is the result of an equilibrium between atmospheric and oceanic carbon dioxide (and carbonates). Whatever we add or subtract, the oceans will alter their chemistry to maintain equilibrium (Le Chatlier’s Principle). What has happened is that the equilibrium point is changing.
How much atmospheric carbon dioxide has been taken – nay stolen – by the carbonates over hundreds of millions of years? Bit by bit, and now limestone and dolomite everywhere! Poking up here. Collapsing there. Maybe God invented humans to take that carbon dioxide back, for the sake of the long suffering plants.
As I understand it, even the carbonates can “give it up” through further chemistry (involving carbonic acid).
But, if you believe that all deposits of hydrocarbons and coal came originally from fossil plant matter, then it follows that hydrocarbons/coal are the ultimate sequestration of what must have been a truly astounding amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. Why did we not inherit a scorched Earth, if that is so. Where did all the CO2 come from originally? And, could it be that these original sources are still around and operating?
“There is also no evidence the economically harmful effect of a carbon tax could be mitigated” .. who cares.
I mean .. what is the point of a “carbon tax” ? Obviously, politicians can buy votes with any money they can channel to their “like-minded” communities, but how does that make Global Warming any better ?
Can’t this all be done by simply allowing “Big Oil” to gouge the hell out of everybody ?
The government already gets over half of everything they take in and you have a great scapegoat.
Not that old insurance-false-analogy again.
You don’t buy insurance to stop your house burning down, insurance is to compensate you if it does.
To protect your house you invest in alarm systems, sprinkler systems and the like to deal with a fire if it occurs.
The same policy should apply to all natural hazards including climate hazards, the way that Japan deals with earthquakes.
Besides a “barely perceptible” CO2 tax growth handbrake is not going to do anything to reduce CO2 emissions, just be another wealth-robbing irritation that will fall heaviest on the poorest.
Hmm I now see why the WSJ has yet to catch an economic bubble before it popped. They are living in financial la la land. A tax on carbon, on a carbon based world. What a gonza scam.
Here’s the text of the WSJ essay:
Could I just go with the nuclear power plant behind door number two, or do I need to have someone in camo take my wallet at gunpoint so they can hand it to my congress-critter’s misstress?
If you really wanted to, for instance, change people’s driving habits, you would impose a gas tax of something on the order of $5/gal all of which would be rebated to taxpayers on a per capita basis. No exemptions. Phase it in to give people time to adapt. We will never do this.
The administrative and compliance costs would probably absorbed the $5, plus some.
It wouldn’t work anyway, Americans love their cars and the freedom of movement they provide as shown during WW2 gasoline rationing.
The Precautionary Principle is essentially defined as “Just in case”.
So, with that sort of ‘logic’:
The Norse Gods may not be fiction, so we should revive their shrines.
The Greek Gods may not be fiction, so…
Fairies may actually be in the garden so we should precautionarily put out burnt offerings to appease them…
As any religion may be The True One, so we should believe in all of them just to be safe.
Etc.
The precautionary principle would have left all our ancestors in the trees in Africa as it might be more dangerous to go down to the grasslands and learn to hunt and talk and use computers and possibly even to think for ourselves.
You may not believe that I am the Dark Lord, and that I will condemn you to an eternity of agony and torture. But why take a chance, when, for the low, low price of $19.95, I will grant you dispensation for your immortal soul.
But wait! There’s more! Act now, and you get this spiffy combination tire pump and orange juice squeezer, normally a $50 value, yours FREE!
And, what about the risk of harmful global cooling or, worse, the onset of a catastrophic new ice age for which, unlike dangerous global warming, there is actually historical precedent? Those who believe that AGW is a real and significantly costly threat must also accept that AGW is capable of offsetting the known threat of dangerous cooling. It’s a “damned if you do and damned if you don’t” situation. The risks are a wash.
For those who believe in the threat of harmful AGW,
A. Increasing GHG emissions implies:
– increased risk of costly AGW
– decreased risk of harmful global cooling
– increased global economic growth and greater ability to mitigate harm
B. Decreasing GHG emissions implies:
– increased risk of costly global cooling
– decreased risk of harmful global warming
– decreased global economic growth and lower ability to mitigate harm
So, for AGW true believers, this amounts to a leveling of the risk of harm. However, from the standpoint of human comfort and well-being, who wouldn’t prefer the risk of being warm and wealthy over being poor and cold? So, the best policy for AGW believers to advocate: Get over fear of warming, embrace oil and warmth and carry on doing what we’ve been doing – growing the world economy.
And there are those of us who are old enough to testify that nothing has changed in their lifetimes to suggest warming. Whatever happened to the validity of personal witness?
The next wall street bubble – betting on ‘climate change’, betting on doom?
Until now wall street always has been a greater danger to world economy than some wavy ‘climate whatsoever ‘.