Bill McKibben Goes Full Jackboot on Climate Change

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Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Bill McKibben wants the world to wage war against Climate Change, by giving governments full wartime powers to seize private property and coerce businesses into supporting the effort, and with strict government control of the economy.

A WORLD at WAR

We’re under attack from climate change—and our only hope is to mobilize like we did in WWII.

BY BILL MCKIBBEN

August 15, 2016

In the North this summer, a devastating offensive is underway. Enemy forces have seized huge swaths of territory; with each passing week, another 22,000 square miles of Arctic ice disappears. Experts dispatched to the battlefield in July saw little cause for hope, especially since this siege is one of the oldest fronts in the war. “In 30 years, the area has shrunk approximately by half,” said a scientist who examined the onslaught. “There doesn’t seem anything able to stop this.”

World War III is well and truly underway. And we are losing.

To make the Stanford plan work, you would need to build a hell of a lot of factories to turn out thousands of acres of solar panels, and wind turbines the length of football fields, and millions and millions of electric cars and buses. But here again, experts have already begun to crunch the numbers. Tom Solomon, a retired engineer who oversaw the construction of one of the largest factories built in recent years—Intel’s mammoth Rio Rancho semiconductor plant in New Mexico—took Jacobson’s research and calculated how much clean energy America would need to produce by 2050 to completely replace fossil fuels. The answer: 6,448 gigawatts.

“It was public capital that built most of the stuff, not Wall Street,” says Wilson. “And at the top level of logistics and supply-chain management, the military was the boss. They placed the contracts, they moved the stuff around.” The feds acted aggressively—they would cancel contracts as war needs changed, tossing factories full of people abruptly out of work. If firms refused to take direction, FDR ordered many of them seized. Though companies made money, there was little in the way of profiteering—bad memories from World War I, Wilson says, led to “robust profit controls,” which were mostly accepted by America’s industrial tycoons. In many cases, federal authorities purposely set up competition between public operations and private factories: The Portsmouth Naval Shipyard built submarines, but so did Electric Boat of Groton, Connecticut. “They were both quite impressive and productive,” Wilson says.

“Usually, when people from different worlds are dealing with each other, they get into conflicts and then dig in their heels deeper,” Berk says. “But because the stakes are so high and it’s moving so fast, no one doubts that if you don’t get a handle on this battle in the Atlantic, then the immediate consequences will be really grave. So they’re willing to do this kind of pragmatic trial and error. They start to see that ‘I can’t dig in my heels–I need this other person to learn from.’” In the face of a common enemy, Americans worked together in a way they never had before.

Read more: https://newrepublic.com/article/135684/declare-war-climate-change-mobilize-wwii

The McKibben post is well worth reading in full, amongst other things it contains interesting reflections about the climate policies of current US presidential candidates.

Leaving aside the question of whether renewables can replace fossil fuels (according to top Google engineers, they can’t), think about what a grim world McKibben wants to create.

The government would have unconstrained power to seize private property, and direct business people to work for the government for whatever “profit” the government decided was fair, on pain of having their assets forcibly removed and handed to someone else.

McKibben handily skirts around how he would deal with non business people, political opponents who object to or obstruct his war on climate, but it seems pretty obvious what would happen, if wartime history is any guide. A government willing to seize property and treat productive people as slaves simply wouldn’t tolerate opposition. At the very least public opposition to government policy would lead to long term internment – incarceration without due process.

Worst of all, McKibben’s war would never end. McKibben actually laments that control of the economy was handed back to private individuals after WW2.

That attitude quickly reset after the war, of course; solidarity gave way to the biggest boom in personal consumption the world had ever seen, as car-packed suburbs sprawled from every city and women were retired to the kitchen. Business, eager to redeem its isolationist image and shake off New Deal restrictions, sold itself as the hero of the war effort, patriotic industrialists who had overcome mountains of government red tape to get the job done. And the modest “operations researchers,” who had entered and learned from the real world when they managed radar development during the war, retreated to their ivory towers and became much grander “systems analysts” once the conflict ended. Robert McNamara, a former Ford executive, brought an entire wing of the Rand Corporation to the Defense Department during the Kennedy administration, where the think-tank experts promptly privatized most of the government shipyards and plane factories, and used their out-of-touch computer models to screw up government programs like Model Cities, the ambitious attempt at urban rehabilitation during the War on Poverty. “The systems analysts completely took over,” Berk says, “and the program largely failed for that reason.”

Read more: Same link as above

If I had written a post anywhere near as outrageous as McKibben’s jingoistic demand for a war on climate, his demand for wholesale surrender of liberty and property rights to government, I would be called a fascist. But because McKibben is a green, he gets a free pass from mainstream media to demand the unthinkable.

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August 21, 2016 7:46 am

Where are the calls to prosecute and imprison these seditious fascists?

bill johnston
Reply to  cephus0
August 21, 2016 8:10 am

“Wait for it………..Wait for it…….. I keel you!
h/t Jeff Dunham

Reply to  bill johnston
August 21, 2016 2:18 pm

Bill Johnson, he sort of looks like Achmed the Dead Terrorist too…I wonder who the ventriloquist is that makes ol Kibben “talk”…

Evan Jones
Editor
Reply to  cephus0
August 21, 2016 11:35 am

Now, now. He is not saying anything unlawful. In that light, he gets to say what he likes and we get to say what we want. And no one goes to jail. That’s how i like it. These things go back and forth, after all.

Greg
Reply to  Evan Jones
August 21, 2016 2:49 pm

Agreed, he should be free to show us just how unhinged he really is. Don’t hold back Bill, let it all out.
He has the appearance of being pretty close to the edge of insanity. Look at those eyes, he isn’t well, he’s anxious and desperate. Desperate that it’s all going to fall apart pretty quickly now.
He looks like some fired-up evangelical bible basher warning of the wrath of God and the end of the world.
Not surprising since this kind of eco-fascism bears all the hallmarks of a religious sect.
The call for war time emergency powers shows just how desperate he’s getting about lack of any of this alarmist crap actually manifesting itself. His urgency is to grab total control before everyone realises that after 30 years of “the end is nigh” , it does seem to be getter any nigher.
Meanwhile the climate propaganda team at the Guardian are trying to relaunch Wadham’s stupid claims of ‘ice-free Arctic”. Having just been proven wrong with his prediction in 2012 that the Arctic would be ice-free this year, he is not promising ice-free for next year or 2018.
Some people never learn.
Despite apparently have spent a good part of his career studying polar ice he clearly has very little understanding of what drives and keeps making foolish predictions which only go to prove how totally clueless he is.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/aug/21/arctic-will-be-ice-free-in-summer-next-year

Farmer Ted.
Reply to  Evan Jones
August 22, 2016 2:31 am

Yes, but! Keep your eye on the pea.
Lots of talk. What’s the action?

MarkW
Reply to  cephus0
August 22, 2016 7:09 am

Free speech means you get to say even outrageous things.
Anyone who wants to ban speech like McKibben’s, is as bad as McKibben.

Michael C. Roberts
Reply to  MarkW
August 22, 2016 8:20 am

It is the forum and the reach of the masses that is the point. Here, as we react to McKibben’s words we have the potential to reach those within the sphere of WUWT’s influence (though relatively large for a science website, it probably amounts to less than the press releases and re-reporting in various media of McKibben’s statements). That he espouses control of economic production and the use of energy sources, along with the venue and method of promulgation that make his statements more ‘alarming’ to those with a more Capitalistic viewpoint. McKibben is espousing Fascism, by description:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism
Very difficult to see this otherwise; although I am open to opposing opinions…
Regards,
MCR

Joel Snider
Reply to  MarkW
August 22, 2016 1:51 pm

And again, this is the crowd that has come to prominence, forcing agenda-item after agenda-item, always riding on the protections of free speech, and now that their own doctrine has become mainstream, the first thing they want to do is criminalize dissent to their own belief system. Church Lady circa 2016.

Reply to  cephus0
August 22, 2016 1:32 pm

This is the way the “Brown Shirts” acted in 1932 when Hitler was an “Up and Coming”Nazi,before WW2.History is repeating itself,sadly.
The new fascism of the left is filled with violence and hate.

MarkW
Reply to  Clive Hoskin
August 22, 2016 2:34 pm

In my experience, the true nature of the left comes out whenever they get power.
The desire to use government to silence all disagreement is part of the left wing DNA.

Latitude
August 21, 2016 7:48 am

People are funny animals…
They tend to look on the outside….like they are on the inside

Evan Jones
Editor
Reply to  Latitude
August 21, 2016 11:37 am

Agreed (except it is also not always so funny).

Goldrider
Reply to  Latitude
August 21, 2016 12:17 pm

Right? Mad as a March hare!

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Latitude
August 21, 2016 8:40 pm

Projection.

Tom in Florida
August 21, 2016 7:52 am

Perhaps he is right. This is a World War and once again free people everywhere will have to rise up and unite to defeat the proposed tyranny of fascists like Bil McKibben.

Allencic
Reply to  Tom in Florida
August 21, 2016 8:37 am

As I often say, “When I want a top scientist “go to” person about climate my first thought is Bill McKibben an English major from Harvard.” Or I could go to another Harvard scientist, Barack Hussein Obama. Or that fabulous Harvard alchemist, Al Gore who has been able to turn CO2 into gold. A bit of an educational pattern developing in those who’ve profited from the AGW scam don’t you think?

M Seward
Reply to  Allencic
August 21, 2016 4:13 pm

And how could you go past the inimitable Timothy Leary another star from Harvard although they did spot him for what he was eventually. Either way, Mad Billy McK is in great company.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Allencic
August 21, 2016 8:44 pm
brians356
Reply to  Allencic
August 21, 2016 10:28 pm

Society gossip columnist. He wrote the “Talk Of The Town” column for The New Yorker Magazine! Don Quixote and J. J. Hunsecker rolled into one.

Reply to  Tom in Florida
August 21, 2016 9:19 am

OH THE IRONY-
“To make the Stanford plan work, you would need to build a hell of a lot of factories to turn out thousands of acres of solar panels, and wind turbines the length of football fields, and millions and millions of electric cars and buses.”
Ok Bill….since we currently do NOT HAVE the kind of technology in place in which “a hell of a lot of factories” could be built that run COMPLETELY and EFFICIENTLY on renewable energy sources, what you are saying is that in order to even BUILD that “hell of a lot of factories” we would have to burn even more than a hell of a lot of FOSSIL FUELS, let alone what it would take to build all of the solar panels, wind turbines, and electric cars and buses that you want to have PRODUCED by that hell of a lot of factories.
I’ve long given up any hope that these people realize how idiotic, insane, and completely hypocritical they sound to rational, logical human beings. But I will continue to point it out. For example:
Somebody tell McFibben-from nsidc themselves-
“As of August 14, Arctic sea ice extent was 5.61 million square kilometers (2.17 million square miles). This is the third lowest extent in the satellite record for this date and slightly below the two standard deviation range”
In 2012, the Maximum Winter Ice Extent in May was the highest it’s been in YEARS, right up against the 1981-2010 average, and then it dropped like a lead balloon, completely out of the 2 standard deviation range by a long shot. May of 2016 shows maximum ice extent BELOW the 1981-2010 2 standard deviation range for that time of year, and yet our end of summer melt is right now just “slightly” below the two standard deviation range. 4 years ago, a hell of a lot of ice, ended the season with very little ice (if you can consider anything measured in millions of square kilometers as very little of anything). This year, not so much ice ended the season with just below average ice. Shut up Bill.

H.R.
Reply to  Aphan
August 21, 2016 1:33 pm

Aphan,
a) Haven’t caught one of your comments in a while, you been away or have I not been paying attention?
b) You wrote:

Ok Bill….since we currently do NOT HAVE the kind of technology in place in which “a hell of a lot of factories” could be built that run COMPLETELY and EFFICIENTLY on renewable energy sources, what you are saying is that in order to even BUILD that “hell of a lot of factories” we would have to burn even more than a hell of a lot of FOSSIL FUELS, let alone what it would take to build all of the solar panels, wind turbines, and electric cars and buses that you want to have PRODUCED by that hell of a lot of factories.”

Bill knows and ignores that. He’s a paid propagandist and recruiter. Bill was preaching to people who don’t think; they respond to the emotion of what was said. It’s his job to whip the masses into a frenzy. For all the money that’s been paid to him to do that job, sometimes I think his employers should examine the return on their investment. Hmm… I guess they are satisfied ’cause they keep paying him.

Reply to  H.R.
August 21, 2016 2:15 pm

H.R.
Did you miss me? Or were you enjoying my silence? Lol
Been reading WUWT every day, but started a new job and have been working my butt off, so not much posting time. 🙂

old construction worker
Reply to  Aphan
August 21, 2016 3:05 pm

What? you mean the ice isn’t gone. But Big Al said it would be gone by 2009. I read it on the internet so bit must be true. LOL

Thomas Englert
Reply to  Aphan
August 21, 2016 6:36 pm

We lack a modern day Albert Speer to make the Stanford plan work, irrespective of whether it’s needed or not.

Hivemind
Reply to  Aphan
August 22, 2016 1:19 am

We also lack a modern day Hitler, his boss, to send anyone who complained about losing their freedoms to the concentration camps.

Jim Yushchyshyn
Reply to  Aphan
August 24, 2016 10:32 pm

“We would have to burn even more than a hell of a lot of FOSSIL FUELS, let alone what it would take to build all of the solar panels, wind turbines, and electric cars and buses that you want to have PRODUCED by that hell of a lot of factories.”
For a while, probably for decades, yes we will.

Harry Passfield
Reply to  Tom in Florida
August 21, 2016 10:07 am

McKibben: IS as McKibben is – and both are enemies of the people. (punctuation is all).

Reply to  Tom in Florida
August 21, 2016 9:59 pm

The way I see it is this is an act of desperation, since by now even this knuckledragging drooling envirofascist.,must realize that the bushel full of warmists predictions are not happening.
Sea Level not accelerating. Arctic ice is still there are the end of another summer..Antarctica sea ice are record highs in recent years.Warming trend per decade well below the IPCC projected rate.The missing Hotspot is still missing.Landfalling Hurricane drought,No long term trend changes to drought index.No increase in Hurricane or Tornado rate per year,on and on the marching failures that McKibben can’t continue to ignore.
When La Nina comes in,reducing the temperature,he will go into shock again with more babbling bullcrap.

TeeWee
August 21, 2016 7:54 am

These are the Globalist and representatives of the entrenched political class that Wikileaks warned us about. These well funded activist while few in numbers are very vocal and supported by a corrupt media that Wiki also informed us about. Its is high time these people be shouted down and rejected. WUWT is doing a good job at that.

markl
August 21, 2016 7:54 am

These are some seriously deluded people. The more evidence pointing to natural variability in our climate the more shrill their rants become. Hopefully they will implode soon before more damage is done to humanity.

August 21, 2016 7:55 am

No surprise to me. I understand these people. Anthony thinks Bill M. is a good guy but slightly misguided. I consider him to be evil – he knows exactly what he is doing and for what purpose and it is not for the prosperity of humanity.
Do not treat these scum like members of your family – they will sacrifice you and your entire family for their agenda. They are 100% INtolerant. Just review the 20th century for intolerant ideology for the wonderful results.

rw
Reply to  kokoda
August 26, 2016 9:36 am

He probably is a good guy. And he doesn’t “know exactly what he is doing” – \I would call that the Omniscience Fallacy. But you don’t need that form of explanation to justify your conclusions, which I concur with.

EricH
August 21, 2016 7:59 am

“… used their out-of-touch computer models to screw up government programs…”
Anyone else see the irony here…?

Harry Passfield
Reply to  EricH
August 21, 2016 10:13 am

Yes, EricH, that quote alone needs a whole load more publicity. I just hope that anyine in the future debating McKibben will remind him of his words.

John Harmsworth
Reply to  EricH
August 21, 2016 11:11 am

That’s the money quote, right there! Ridiculous!

AmyHolbrook
August 21, 2016 8:03 am

Wow, scary! Looks crazy. My impulse would be not to believe anyone who looks so furious.

Reply to  AmyHolbrook
August 22, 2016 3:45 pm

And the trouble with him is he has admitted that he doesn’t understand the science, why should he? He’s a writer, not a scientist, he doesn’t have science degree. But this is a scientific topic not a political one. when I live in Vermont I saw many people like Bill. They have political goals they and global warming is a way to achieve their political goals. I has not whatsoever to do with the facts.

Paul Coppin
August 21, 2016 8:03 am

“Bill, your rubber room is ready for you.”

u.k(us)
August 21, 2016 8:05 am

Nothing more dangerous than a cornered animal.

n.n
August 21, 2016 8:06 am

Scientific mysticism with its unbridled reach in time and space has replaced the limited domain of science.
People who presume to act as mortal gods (e.g. monopoly formation) are historically first-order causes of catastrophic anthropogenic evolutionary dysfunction, including causing unprecedented collateral damage (e.g. mass a-bortion).

Tim Ball
August 21, 2016 8:07 am

McKibben says it is war, thereby confirming what Aeschylus (525 -456 BC) said. “In war truth is the first casualty,”

brians356
Reply to  Tim Ball
August 21, 2016 11:30 pm

“Suppose they gave a war and nobody came.”

Paul Coppin
August 21, 2016 8:07 am

“But because McKibben is a green, he gets a free pass from mainstream media to demand the unthinkable.”
Mainstream media doesn’t even know he exists, which is a good thing. Unfortunately, politicians do, which is a very bad, just awful, can’t get any worse thing.

MarkW
Reply to  Paul Coppin
August 22, 2016 7:13 am

Most of the media would gladly support fascism, so long as they were the ones running it.

August 21, 2016 8:07 am

Watermellon

Andrew D Burnette
Reply to  ristvan
August 21, 2016 9:18 am

Ha ha. Thanks.

Harry Passfield
Reply to  ristvan
August 21, 2016 10:22 am

Ristvan: Initially, I quite misread that: What a mellon!

Reply to  Harry Passfield
August 21, 2016 1:38 pm

Mellon head.

Reply to  ristvan
August 21, 2016 3:49 pm

With comments like his, he is red on both sides.

August 21, 2016 8:08 am

Same ol, same ol. No price tag for Jacobson’s plan (my estimate is at least $23 trillion). Declaring war on things has a really bad record. We declared war on poverty. And lost. We declared war on cancer. And lost. Etc.
Notice the art work in McKibben’s piece at NR. Kinda remind you of something? All we need are blond, healthy peasants in the field…
I’m willing to help fight the effects of global warming, although I’d feel a bit more enthusiastic if we could actually pin down those effects. But we should phase our efforts in with the least expensive first.
Start with a revenue neutral carbon tax with all monies returned via rebates on social security. All the political independents and conservatives who are about to tell me that you can’t trust the government with this money–that’s the only reason you independents and conservatives have for existing on this planet (just kidding…). Go make sure that doesn’t happen.

Bob Cormack
Reply to  thomaswfuller2
August 21, 2016 11:00 am

A “revenue neutral carbon tax” is not exactly harmless: It will raise the cost of producing (and hence the price of) everything and will be a major inducement for production to go offshore to a less insane government. As a result, a great many local jobs will be lost, and the newly jobless people won’t even be able to afford the cheaper imported products, much less the artificially inflated local products that (somehow — probably due to government subsidy) still survive.
Those who support the idea of a “revenue neutral tax” don’t understand anything about how an economy works, because they are mostly socialists who think that things are produced magically somehow and will never go away no matter what you do to the producers.
They are also, apparently, too dim to take any lessons from the experience of socialist nations, such as Venezuela.

Reply to  Bob Cormack
August 21, 2016 8:11 pm

Bob Cormack:
” … and will be a major inducement for production to go offshore to a less insane government.”
No they won’t. Hillary has proposed an “EXIT TAX” to prevent it. And we know she is an expert on such things. (And I suspect she will win but what an awful 4 years is in the offing.)

3x2
Reply to  thomaswfuller2
August 22, 2016 2:04 am

thomaswfuller2
[…] Notice the art work in McKibben’s piece at NR. Kinda remind you of something? All we need are blond, healthy peasants in the field […]
Probably the very first thing I noticed.
Looks so much more innocuous when one uses wind turbines though.

Eugene WR Gallun
Reply to  thomaswfuller2
August 22, 2016 10:10 am

thomaswfuller2
How do you get from your first paragraph to your last paragraph? I am amazed by the transition.
Poverty and cancer are real and you say throwing money at them didn’t work. You don’t even know what effects (if any) global warming is having yet you advocate throwing money at “those effects”.
So pass a tax that you can’t give a good reason for passing? A tax with no designated specific purpose except vague promises to fight global warming effects that can’t even be named? — And then you dis people who suggest that new money stream will be ill used?
In your own way you are as crazy as McKibbles. Not all your Bits are there.
Eugene WR Gallun
PS — “Kibbles ‘n Bits” is a dog food.

MarkW
Reply to  Eugene WR Gallun
August 22, 2016 10:22 am

Cancer survival rates are way, way up. Many cancers that used to be incurable, are now curable. I wouldn’t say that throwing money at cancer research has been a total waste.
Has there been waste and fraud in cancer research. Quite possibly, but that’s far from saying it has had no value.
On the other hand, despite the trillions spent fighting poverty, poverty is as bad, if not worse than it was in the 50’s and 60’s.

Reply to  MarkW
August 23, 2016 8:47 am

“On the other hand, despite the trillions spent fighting poverty, poverty is as bad, if not worse than it was in the 50’s and 60’s.”
Not exactly accurate MarkW
From The National Poverty Center-http://www.npc.umich.edu/poverty/
*******
“How has poverty changed over time?”
“In the late 1950s, the poverty rate for all Americans was 22.4 percent, or 39.5 million individuals. These numbers declined steadily throughout the 1960s, reaching a low of 11.1 percent, or 22.9 million individuals, in 1973. Over the next decade, the poverty rate fluctuated between 11.1 and 12.6 percent, but it began to rise steadily again in 1980. By 1983, the number of poor individuals had risen to 35.3 million individuals, or 15.2 percent.
For the next ten years, the poverty rate remained above 12.8 percent, increasing to 15.1 percent, or 39.3 million individuals, by 1993. The rate declined for the remainder of the decade, to 11.3 percent by 2000. From 2000 to 2004 it rose each year to 12.8 in 2004. The poverty rate continued to increase, peaking at 15.1 percent in 2010, the highest poverty rate since 1993. The poverty rate has remained relatively stable for the past 4 years.
Since the late 1960s, the poverty rate for people over 65 has fallen dramatically. The poverty rate for children has historically been somewhat higher than the overall poverty rate. The poverty rate for people in households headed by single women is significantly higher than the overall poverty rate.”
******

3x2
Reply to  Eugene WR Gallun
August 22, 2016 12:30 pm

Eugene WR Gallun
I am amazed by the transition.
Poverty and cancer are real and you say throwing money at them didn’t work. You don’t even know what effects (if any) global warming is having yet you advocate throwing money at “those effects”.

(I don’t claim to speak for Thomas) …
Poverty is maintained by denying those in it, any kind of way out like using their own resources eg Coal to get themselves out.
Here is a country that was a complete hell hole not too long ago …
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiVj9uD4dXOAhUCnBoKHU6BBkQQjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.internationaltravellermag.com%2Fideal-itinerary-for-48-hours-in-shanghai%2F&bvm=bv.129759880,d.ZGg&psig=AFQjCNFXi701AcBfO9HasitDjZqe6HzZ6g&ust=1471980550907774

3x2
Reply to  Eugene WR Gallun
August 22, 2016 12:33 pm

Sorry for the mess of a URL earlier … (Distracted by a young child) ….
http://s1.it.atcdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Shanghai.jpg

Reply to  thomaswfuller2
August 22, 2016 3:47 pm

So, ThomasWfuller2 in relationship to cancer, do think we should quit looking for a cure?

Reply to  thomaswfuller2
August 23, 2016 9:05 am

thomaswfuller2
Do you even understand what “revenue neutral tax” means?
Revenue Neutrality-
“A condition of fiscal policymaking in which any increase or decrease in tax revenues be achieved with a commensurate increase or decrease in tax revenues. For example, a proposal to decrease taxes for one economic group must include a mechanism to increase tax revenues from another source in order to offset the revenue decrease.”
1-
If you create a “carbon tax”, you create a new tax that does not now exist. That’s an INCREASE. You then MUST, by very definition of the term “revenue neutral”, offset that increase by DECREASING tax revenues somewhere else, immediately. You cannot create an increase that at some future point will decrease when it’s withdrawn as SS rebates. The decrease must happen at the same time, and at the same rate, that the new increase takes place. How do you propose to accomplish this?
2-
How the crap would you determine exactly how much “carbon” each and every individual person on social security “used/uses” in order to “rebate” them all equally and fairly? Because for every person that dies without being able to use their “rebate”, you get an automatic “increase” in a system that is supposed to be revenue neutral.
3-
People who are drawing on their social security will STILL be creating a “carbon footprint”, how do you make sure their lifelong carbon output equals their lifetime’s carbon rebate?
Oh, and the reason independents and conservatives exist, it because progressives and liberals must be kept in check. It’s a natural balance created by the universe to keep idiotic and irrational people from believing that we’re going to capsize Guam with too many troops, or that Neil Armstrong planted a flag on Mars in 1969 (thank you Hank Johnson (D) and Sheila Jackson Lee (D) ).

August 21, 2016 8:08 am

Ok it’s official, McKibbon is a waste of good skin that is breathing my air.
What a freaking crackpot. I think the piece of sky that fell on his head smashed what was already broken into itty bitty pieces.

August 21, 2016 8:08 am

Did McKibben’s parents have any children who lived?

August 21, 2016 8:08 am

i think McKibben is basically an authoritarian personality who would latch on to any holy cause, and does not much care what cause. What he finds attractive about climate change is not the scientific merits, but the opportunity to coerce the proletariat.
Interesting, though, how people avocating an authoritarian system always see themselves as the authority.

Javert Chip
Reply to  Tom Halla
August 21, 2016 10:34 am

Tom
You have just beautifully stated the modus operandi of our power-hunting so-called-elites.
They would sell their souls to control other people.

Eugene WR Gallun
Reply to  Tom Halla
August 21, 2016 11:51 pm

Tom Halla
No, a man who wants to live under the boot is a masochist. McKibben is begging for a boot to kiss.
Eugene WR Gallun

observa
August 21, 2016 8:12 am

It’s war alright as these sad sack cretins get more histrionic and looney tooney by the day-
http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/any_minute_now/
What kind of future has Travis’ kid got with that attitude-
“Here’s a provocative thought: Maybe we should protect our kids by not having them,” Rieder says.
The dude needs close monitoring from the child protection agency by all accounts.

Javert Chip
Reply to  observa
August 21, 2016 10:35 am

Yea – where were his parents when we needed them?

dam1953
August 21, 2016 8:15 am

Two observations.
1 – Mckinney’s plan has been tried before for a different cause. It’s caused communism. It didn’t and won’t work for a number of reasons but mostly because communism’s basic tenants contradict natural selection.
2- If the left is serious about winning their climate war they have to be prepared to use any and all weapons, including nuclear. Since they are not willing to go nuclear they either aren’t serious about the problem or solution or they are prepared for millions of people to die.

TonyL
Reply to  dam1953
August 21, 2016 9:01 am

Since they are not willing to go nuclear

I would not be so sure. Perhaps the reason they have not gone full nuke is that they have not had the chance yet.
After all, this guy does liken the situation to WW III, and we all know what that means. Further, two recent posts here detail some arguments that humans are a plague on the planet and need to be exterminated.
I think it is best to keep in mind, at all times, that we are dealing with some seriously mentally ill people here.

Reply to  TonyL
August 21, 2016 12:47 pm

I believe dam1953’s comment was a clever reference to nuclear *power*, not nuclear weapons. indeed, nuclear power is a far better solution to efficient, high-availability low-carbon electricity than any so-called renewable.
I’ve long admired Socolow and Pacala’s willingness to go where the data leads and include nuclear in their famous “wedges” paper, despite the resulting storm of ignorant criticism. Replacing a lot of coal power with nuclear is an intelligent “no regrets” concept, especially considering the paucity of tsunamis in the US states generating the most coal power.

Bulldust
Reply to  TonyL
August 21, 2016 5:25 pm

Putting the mental into environmental?

MarkW
Reply to  TonyL
August 22, 2016 7:17 am

The nuke plant survived the tsunami. Unfortunately the back up diesel generator did not.

Eugene WR Gallun
Reply to  TonyL
August 22, 2016 10:20 am

Bulldust — “Putting the mental into environmental” Got to love it — Eugene WR Gallun

Bulldust
Reply to  TonyL
August 22, 2016 6:22 pm

Thanks .. I must admit I was rather pleased with it myself. One must endeavour to find ways to amuse oneself, no?

Paul Westhaver
August 21, 2016 8:19 am

L-U-N-A-T-I-C
The full moon was on Aug 18th. So good ole Bill the wacko was a bit premature.

John Boles
August 21, 2016 8:20 am

It seems to me that so many of the greenies (Guy Mcpherson, McKibben, et al) merely pay lip service preaching the standard sermon about CAGW and then go on driving cars, flying, using electricity, heating their homes, etc. They seem to have an attitude that they are doing good work by telling the little people to stop using energy, and so they themselves are off the hook and free to use energy because they are getting the good word out, telling others not to use energy. I wonder how they justify it in their minds.

August 21, 2016 8:23 am

That guy is a flat out communist! Anyone that uses unapproved things like air conditioning, would get people tossed out of their home and the place seized is really really insane.

Marcus
August 21, 2016 8:23 am

..All the watermelons are showing their true colors…it must be getting worse for them then we thought !

3x2
Reply to  Marcus
August 22, 2016 2:13 am

For them, it’s as though National Socialism and Communism never existed. Forget warming, we really will be in trouble if they ever get their way.

PiperPaul
August 21, 2016 8:27 am
R. Shearer
Reply to  PiperPaul
August 21, 2016 8:31 am

Does it come in green?

PiperPaul
Reply to  R. Shearer
August 21, 2016 8:47 am
mpcraig
Reply to  R. Shearer
August 21, 2016 9:15 am

Lol…Sixteen minute turnaround, well done…

PiperPaul
Reply to  R. Shearer
August 21, 2016 10:14 am

1. I didn’t see R. Shearer’s post right away
2. I am color-blind
3. Had to wait for TinyPic
Would have been faster.

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