Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Bill McKibben wants the world to wage war against Climate Change, by giving governments full wartime powers to seize private property and coerce businesses into supporting the effort, and with strict government control of the economy.
A WORLD at WAR
We’re under attack from climate change—and our only hope is to mobilize like we did in WWII.
BY BILL MCKIBBEN
August 15, 2016
In the North this summer, a devastating offensive is underway. Enemy forces have seized huge swaths of territory; with each passing week, another 22,000 square miles of Arctic ice disappears. Experts dispatched to the battlefield in July saw little cause for hope, especially since this siege is one of the oldest fronts in the war. “In 30 years, the area has shrunk approximately by half,” said a scientist who examined the onslaught. “There doesn’t seem anything able to stop this.”
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World War III is well and truly underway. And we are losing.
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To make the Stanford plan work, you would need to build a hell of a lot of factories to turn out thousands of acres of solar panels, and wind turbines the length of football fields, and millions and millions of electric cars and buses. But here again, experts have already begun to crunch the numbers. Tom Solomon, a retired engineer who oversaw the construction of one of the largest factories built in recent years—Intel’s mammoth Rio Rancho semiconductor plant in New Mexico—took Jacobson’s research and calculated how much clean energy America would need to produce by 2050 to completely replace fossil fuels. The answer: 6,448 gigawatts.
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“It was public capital that built most of the stuff, not Wall Street,” says Wilson. “And at the top level of logistics and supply-chain management, the military was the boss. They placed the contracts, they moved the stuff around.” The feds acted aggressively—they would cancel contracts as war needs changed, tossing factories full of people abruptly out of work. If firms refused to take direction, FDR ordered many of them seized. Though companies made money, there was little in the way of profiteering—bad memories from World War I, Wilson says, led to “robust profit controls,” which were mostly accepted by America’s industrial tycoons. In many cases, federal authorities purposely set up competition between public operations and private factories: The Portsmouth Naval Shipyard built submarines, but so did Electric Boat of Groton, Connecticut. “They were both quite impressive and productive,” Wilson says.
“Usually, when people from different worlds are dealing with each other, they get into conflicts and then dig in their heels deeper,” Berk says. “But because the stakes are so high and it’s moving so fast, no one doubts that if you don’t get a handle on this battle in the Atlantic, then the immediate consequences will be really grave. So they’re willing to do this kind of pragmatic trial and error. They start to see that ‘I can’t dig in my heels–I need this other person to learn from.’” In the face of a common enemy, Americans worked together in a way they never had before.
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Read more: https://newrepublic.com/article/135684/declare-war-climate-change-mobilize-wwii
The McKibben post is well worth reading in full, amongst other things it contains interesting reflections about the climate policies of current US presidential candidates.
Leaving aside the question of whether renewables can replace fossil fuels (according to top Google engineers, they can’t), think about what a grim world McKibben wants to create.
The government would have unconstrained power to seize private property, and direct business people to work for the government for whatever “profit” the government decided was fair, on pain of having their assets forcibly removed and handed to someone else.
McKibben handily skirts around how he would deal with non business people, political opponents who object to or obstruct his war on climate, but it seems pretty obvious what would happen, if wartime history is any guide. A government willing to seize property and treat productive people as slaves simply wouldn’t tolerate opposition. At the very least public opposition to government policy would lead to long term internment – incarceration without due process.
Worst of all, McKibben’s war would never end. McKibben actually laments that control of the economy was handed back to private individuals after WW2.
That attitude quickly reset after the war, of course; solidarity gave way to the biggest boom in personal consumption the world had ever seen, as car-packed suburbs sprawled from every city and women were retired to the kitchen. Business, eager to redeem its isolationist image and shake off New Deal restrictions, sold itself as the hero of the war effort, patriotic industrialists who had overcome mountains of government red tape to get the job done. And the modest “operations researchers,” who had entered and learned from the real world when they managed radar development during the war, retreated to their ivory towers and became much grander “systems analysts” once the conflict ended. Robert McNamara, a former Ford executive, brought an entire wing of the Rand Corporation to the Defense Department during the Kennedy administration, where the think-tank experts promptly privatized most of the government shipyards and plane factories, and used their out-of-touch computer models to screw up government programs like Model Cities, the ambitious attempt at urban rehabilitation during the War on Poverty. “The systems analysts completely took over,” Berk says, “and the program largely failed for that reason.”
Read more: Same link as above
If I had written a post anywhere near as outrageous as McKibben’s jingoistic demand for a war on climate, his demand for wholesale surrender of liberty and property rights to government, I would be called a fascist. But because McKibben is a green, he gets a free pass from mainstream media to demand the unthinkable.
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Bill, get some help. For your sake as well as ours.
I am compelled to respond, however briefly, to the New Republic article of August 15, 2016 by Bill McKibben of 350.org , titled: A World at War. It includes the header line: “We’re under attack from climate change—and our only hope is to mobilize like we did in WW II” (emphasis mine).
Let’s be clear; this article is an emotional recruitment or rallying speech, not a rational appeal or a scientific argument. If anything it is fund-raising stump speech or a cannon-fodder recruitment drive: the closing footer enjoins readers to “join the fight against climate change”.
One of the challenges for volunteers countering these types of articles is the sheer volume of nonsense being churned out by the likes of McKibben and 350.org . From rationalwiki.org , and attributed to Alberto Brandolini: “The amount of energy necessary to refute b…t is is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it”. Consequently, this cannot be a point-by-point rebuttal, merely a short vent on some selected gems.
The WW II Analog is Flawed and Offensive
Yes, WW II involved a truly admirable and immense commitment and mobilization, leading to hardship and sacrifice made willingly by an Allied populace who, to their everlasting credit, understood the dangers and accepted the challenges. No, sir, we are not in WW III, and suggesting simplistic parallels to WW II is a disgusting insult to the millions of soldiers and victims of that atrocity. Interestingly, the author makes a statement germane to the real challenge becoming increasingly clear to citizens: “In the face of a common enemy, Americans worked together in a way they never had before”. The common enemy is not global warming, but ignorance of real science and belief in carbon dioxide as some form of control knob. The citizens of several nations are now recognizing the folly of nonsensical arguments such as this, and beginning to work together to counter the “common enemy”, much to the chagrin of its high priests..
The Truth Will Out: Rhetoric vs Reality
Doom, drowning, collapse, biological weapons, psychological terror, lay waste, uprooting and killing, crisis, global emergency, propaganda. Given the title, you might believe these words are used by the author in reference to his WW II analog. Sorry, no, these are references to McKibben’s imaginary WW III. A few links in the article are an effort to lend an air of science to a socio-political editorial. Please note that claims of increased drought, flood, fire, coral bleaching, and other references are rebutted in multiple papers by true scientists and readily available. Perhaps someone better than I can post a few links, as we have seen many times.
Over the top rhetoric such as this article has no place in a scientific debate to decide social and economic policy. We can only hope that the fervency of this article is simply a sign of desperation as the catastrophic climate zealots metaphorically drown in the doomsday cesspool of their own hot-fevered imaginations. Even now we can observe a planet which has not warmed to the extent predicted by the alarmist models, a fact which should be sufficient to put a stake in the heart of the theory.
Countering statements such as: “a truly global mobilization to defeat climate change wouldn’t wreck our economy or throw coal miners out of work” should be like shooting fish in a barrel (or killing birds with a wind farm, if you prefer). Simply read the news: Economies are being wrecked and coal miners are being deliberately put out of work; these are exactly the consequences (by design and by folly) of the CAGW crowd and their useful idiots.
Yes Please to Science, Evidence and Reality
Sadly, we are in a war: the war is on truth and science and yes we must fight that battle every day. When the author asks: “can we actually defeat an enemy as powerful and inexorable as the laws of physics?”, this is a deliciously ironic flourish and an ideal opening to say no, exactly, this is about real physics, chemistry, astronomy, geology, etc, not about religious fervor and political posturing disguised as science. To quote a fictional character, Homer Simpson, who has as much scientific credibility as the author: “In this house, we obey the laws of thermodynamics”. The climate has been changing for hundreds of millions of years (billions?) and will continue to change in the face of voodoo science, which can only impede truth and progress, it cannot stop it. Finally, when he refers to the Stanford group work under Jacobson, perhaps again someone can insert a few links to rebuttals of that fantasy plan.
“can we actually defeat an enemy as powerful and inexorable as the laws of physics?”
No Bill McKibben, we cannot! That you understand this concept, but you, and your teenie, greenie, army still want to launch an all out offensive against it, defies all logic and reason. It’s like saying “We can never defeat death….but I’m going to DIE trying.”
Good luck with that.
RAPearce. “The citizens of several nations are now recognizing the folly of nonsensical arguments such as this, and beginning to work together to counter the “common enemy”, much to the chagrin of its high priests..”
After studying much about WW2, I have come to believe that if the US had delayed entry into the war much longer there would have been no stopping the Axis powers. I think if we don’t stop the CAGW crazies soon there may be no stopping them.
Show me a culture where private property rights are not respected and I’ll show you starvation.
Let’s see—North Korea? No. Cambodia?, No. Venezuela? No. Can’t think of one.
The warmers are starting to sound like messianic prophets.
This is how Charles Manson wound up murdering people. He had to keep raising the temperature (the violence) of his rhetoric to keep his followers. Then, there was Jonestown. But, there have been many others.
Please note. Just because these people are unhinged does not make them harmless. In fact, it makes them ore dangerous.
BM and others on the Green side have long taken an apocalyptic approach. Let us remember that Jim Jones moved his flock to San Francisco where he block voted them gaining a position in city government.
We need to dub the video of him instructing his followers to drink the kool aid with similar green admonitions.
No, it isn’t. It is a rambling mess full of absurd analogies and repetitions.
McKibben: A Korea Greenie.
…. You mean a “North Korea Greenie”
Don’t insult all Korean people. They are a quite intelligent and industrious folk. And even poor North Koreans had just bad luck that a brutal dictatorship of Stalinists took over by help of the former communist block.
But back to McKibben. Some days ago I wrote here in another thread:
“… If anything we might see a full blown eco-dictatorship rather soon and then it’s really questionable if mankind will ever get the chance to learn the truth about this mad ideology (= CAGW) ”
Well – isn’t it shocking and sad how realistic my seemingly pessimistic outlook already looks? Because McKibben belongs not an exotic fringe group of the greens, he is just a typical green mainstream person…
Let’s get simple:
1) Bill – show us your proof for CAGW? (No land based temp data allowed unless you agree to get NCDC/NOAA/NASA/HadCRUT/AUSSIE BOM to show us why and how they’ve “altered their data”).
2) Give us proof of CO2 “positive feedback” and a value that can be scientifically reproduced.
As Bill can nor would encourage either 1 or 2 above. He’s simply a “political scientist” and a shrill one at that.
“…and used their out-of-touch computer models to screw up government programs…”
Thats a little Fraudian, don`t you think. 😉
I re-read McKibben’s article.
He sounds like Hitler and Stalin in their speeches to the “masses”.
Someone above said he was a “Groucho Marxist”, I’d change that to a “Strictly Totaltalatarianist”.
Or in brief: We can create a new drink: A “Grouchy Marxist” with a squeeze of “Adolph’s Meat Tenderizer”.
Vodka and Tabasco ought to work.
McKibben is clearly well past his best before date and should be moved into a home where every day is a happy, foggy day and the climate is controlled.
“If I had written a post anywhere near as outrageous as ….”
All of Eric’s post are outrageous. Eric like to play:
‘Idiot verses Idiot’
Wow, my personal troll is trying to expand it’s horizons.
I’m so proud of you.
Apparently the worst sin it the world is saying something that RKP doesn’t want to believe.
..Actually, he is right..There is a war coming, but it won;t be against the “Climate” !
McKibben – is a total nutbar! But he has a following…..which lifts him up beyond where it needs to be….. six feet under! 😉
“If I had written a post anywhere near as outrageous as McKibben’s jingoistic demand for a war on climate, his demand for wholesale surrender of liberty and property rights to government, I would be called a fascist.”
McKibben NOT a fascist? (!) Why would you think that? Environmentalism has a long well documented history of fascist – Nazi roots.
There is, in fact, utterly no contradiction between environmentalism and fascism or Nazism,. They are fully complementary and supporting ideologies. It may not exactly be well known, it’s no secret either.
Anyone who cares to look into it – and I consider it germane to the warming/environmentalist discussion – will benefit from a brief but careful analysis of it. And for that I cannot too highly recommend Martin Durkin’s essay, “Nazi Greens.” It is the last of a three part series of that traces the roots of German environmentalism from pre-industrial times to the 1930s. This is not new, it’s what Santayana meant about being doomed to repeat the history you don’t know.
It is at http://www.martindurkin.com/blogs/nazi-greens-inconvenient-history. Take a look.
For a more detailed inquiry there are a number of books on the subject, including: How Green Were the Nazis?: Nature, Environment, and Nation in the Third Reich (Ecology & History),by Franz-Josef Bruggemeier and Mark Cioc, and The Green and the Brown: A History of Conservation in Nazi Germany (Studies in Environment and History), by Frank Uekoetter. Amazon has them.
It is at http://www.martindurkin.com/blogs/nazi-greens-inconvenient-history. Take a look.
Martin is a piece of work. Not a man to ‘mince’ words.
Then again, he has read the words of most and so is more than free to comment intelligently.
I always look forward to what he is going to expose next. (If we, in The UK, only had separate Presidential elections …)
Make me energy czar in California and CAGW will not be a problems in 4 days.
Day one – make a list of those concerned with CAGW and mobile the national guard. Seize GOOGLE’s party jet.
Day two – national guard goes door to door seizing supply breakers for those on the list who do not have a medical reason for electricity.
Day three – legislature votes that CAGW is solved.
Day four – Governor signs bill terminating war time powers. Declares victory over CAGW.
I am reading Sowell’s “Intellectuals and Society”. I highly recommend it. He points out that intellectuals want to be on the side of the angels, to posture for goodness, though they have little concern for the actual consequences of their favored policies. That a world that fits McKibben’s desires would be a worse world than one with more heat waves totally escapes him: he doesn’t care. The intellectual wants centralized absolute power but ignores what happens when such power exists: just look at the French Revolution. Initially idealistic, but then wave after wave of executions leading finally to Napoleon. Even the French intellectuals seem not to know (or to ignore) their own history. Also, the temptation for the despot who gains absolute control to pillage his country seems irresistable (Marcos, Chavez, and on and on).
Craig, you should read Ralston Saul’s ‘Voltaire’s Bastards’ (if you haven’t already) which explores the same ground.
had to laught though at McKibben’s
“where the think-tank experts …… used their out-of-touch computer models to screw up ”
sounds like eco modelling groupthink to me.
M Seward writes: “sounds like eco modelling groupthink to me.”
More importantly I think, it sounds like a call to round up the intellectuals. The nerds in the horn rimmed glasses making trouble. Fundamental Marxism. He repeats the theme several times, calling for incarceration, which inevitably leads to execution.
What I find disturbing about this speech is, had it been on the subject of “black lives” mattering (had McWhatsit called for the incarceration of the BLM leaders) he would be stomped on by the Washington Post and other liberal media tools. But he wasn’t. His radical totalitarian screed is welcomed and condoned. That should scare people. It certainly scares me.
The intellectual wants centralized absolute power but ignores what happens when such power exists
A very serious case of ‘be careful what you wish for’. Quite often they are the ‘first against the wall’ when ‘the revolution’ does eventually arrive.
There are comments up and down stream (on this thread) about Marxists and Water Melons but I honestly have trouble seeing people like Bill in that light anymore. For example, modern Marxists have a major problem … ‘The Proletariat’ don’t want revolution. They are quite happy to acquire more wealth and go out shopping.
What people like Bill hate is both the ‘top’ strata of society (‘The Rich’) and the ‘bulk’ living below (‘The Poor’) They despise both with equal intensity. What they really want is ‘Government’ of all by the ‘middle ground’ (them, obviously).
They might seem, superficially, to be Marxists or Communists but they have just as much in common with National Socialists and Fascists. They don’t have an ‘entry pass’ to either group and so they hate both equally.
3×2,
Very astute of you.
Most folks here make the common mistake of thinking McKibben and his co-conspirators are “Marxist,” or “communist,” or going even further astray, “Nazis,” or “fascists.”
All of these are very badly wrong assessments of our opponents.
The best term for them is Politically Correct Progressives. Their core belief system is a hatred of the aspects that made Normal-America great.
Nothing to do with communism or fascism–except for its origins in the Comintern.
Full details in a short video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVPH_jCBEvA
Their goal is to destroy Normal-America, bit by bit, or all at once. They believe that their goodness (meaning hatred of Normal-America) will be rewarded in the aftermath of the destruction.
They have characteristics of all past extremists. That is why they are mistaken for being one or the other.
Truth to be told they take their ‘politics’ from both.
They would find a temporary home among both Marxism and National Socialism. They all have the same goals in common in the short term.
Ultimately, environmentalism (not the critter hugging types – they are foot soldiers) borrows from everything that has ever hated ‘the modern world’. Just get rid of ‘this’ and introduce a bit of ‘that’, control ‘the other’ … And everything will be ‘fine’.
Climate Changers/Environmentalists:: all their demands converge on socialistic”solutions” that always give government massive powers, destroy rights and destroy prosperity. In other venues such people also demand “social justice”. They have no principles, even when they claim otherwise.
So this time around, instead of people of Japanese descent being interred in camps, it would be “the deniers.” The more things change, eh?
And I thought that the charge — decades ago — that climate change was a vast left wing conspiracy to grab total power was exaggerated. And here is, naked. The power lusting statists are free to pontificate with their ownership of academia and the press.
Evidently the world (and Bill McKibben) did not learn the lessons of the last century on the perils of Socialism ‘for the good of the nation’. When ideologues enforce their ideologies on the unwilling simply because they believe they know what is best for everybody else, people WILL suffer.
http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_copybook.htm
More and more, this poem by Kipling becomes prophecy:
…”As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt Fool’s bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;
And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return! “
The trope of equating a policy issue with war has a deep history in fascism. The “Moral Equivalent of War”. See Jonah Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism”
https://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Fascism-American-Mussolini-Politics/dp/0767917189/
‘… if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science.’
H.L. Mencken:
The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/h/hlmencke143263.html
Things that make me go hmmmm. . .
I remember Anthony had a very polite meeting with this monster. Shows how much better we are on our side in terms of civility and respect. However we’re way past the niceties at this point. We’re up against people who would put wartime powers on top of the populace and who will fudge data, lie, cheat and steal to push their oligarchical power play. The climate agenda must be stopped at any cost.
A message to weepy Bill and AALL his 350.org bozos…..
I’d make that 1,500ppm (0.15%) which is about average for the late Phanerozoic. It produced plenty of munchies for the dinos.
Agreed..
Unfortunately, even if we try our hardest, I don’t think we can push it up that high. 🙁
but 700 is twice 350, so it is chosen to annoy the 350 scam-artists and drones.
A recent study, in Japan IIRC, it was not an asteriod that killed the dinos, it was climate change.
Patrick: Except yet another study suggested it was the asteroid that initiated the climate change. No one actually knows and we won’t know until Michael J Fox gets into his DeLorean and checks it out. 😉