# Saturday silliness – warmist blows a gasket

I get hate mail like this from time to time and I’m pretty certain I know who this one is from to Dr. Roy Spencer as it fits the speech and punctuation pattern of some emails I have received. This one is completely unhinged, but it is worth reviewing just so you can see how a true global warming zealot behaves. It’s the sort of ugly and hateful thinking that gets promoted daily by people like Miriam O’Brien aka “Sou” and the “Hotwhopper” madding crowd whose website exists solely for the purpose of denigration.

I’m with Dr. Spencer and the Washington Post on this. The “climate emergency” promoted by Paul Beckwith is “utter nonsense”, and is the worst “science” of the year

### More on the Global Climate Emergency: Email from a “Fan”

July 1st, 2016 by Roy W. Spencer, Ph. D.

I get some hate email from time to time. Actually, not very much. I guess I’m still cruising under the radar.

In response to my post yesterday criticizing Paul Beckwith’s postabout the allegedly unprecedented crossing of the equator by jet stream winds (a post which, after much criticism, he has since modified), I received a heartfelt email (reproduced below) asking me to, ummm, back off on my criticism.

This email I received yesterday is rather disturbing because I fear it reveals the low caliber of scientific knowledge that exists out there. Too many people are too easily fooled by pseudo-scientific ramblings which can go viral and cross the globe in a matter of hours. This cuts both ways in the global warming debate, as frequent readers of my blog know I have banned people on my side of the argument for pushing too hard on what I consider to be bad science (e.g. the claim that there is no such thing as the “greenhouse effect”).

Even Jason Samenow from the Capital Weather Gang posted agreement with me that there is nothing unusual about winds at the jet stream level moving back and forth across the equator. Jason also quotes other PhD-level atmospheric scientists in that article.

So, I’m just going to leave this here…I was tempted to answer many of the points made below, but I think it will be more enjoyable for regulars here to take a shot at it.

What A way to treat a fellow scientist. Who the f**k cares if its man made or not! Paul is getting the word out there to people…what are you doing? I don’t see you doing anything except having a web site that no one even knows about…I’ve never heard of you. Paul Beckwith puts a lot of hard work and time into trying to raise the issue…You however are a disgrace to global scientists! Or do you not agree this is an emergency? This one video finally caught some attention and you have to f**k it up…Idiot! We NEED for this to be news so maybe, just maybe something will be done! This video has gone viral…let it be! You have made up lies about him and tried to discredit him…why would you do that??? Many people have moved to the southern hemisphere to get away from the radiation…because this was NOT supposed to happen. You need to take down what you said from your web site! What is happening is dangerous and people need to know…too many people already do not believe GW is real…they need to prepare! They need to know! Jesus Dude…What’s wrong with you? And let’s not throw stones about Donations…You have your own Donation button!!!! Fix it Please…

And….discuss!

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commieBob

Who the f**k cares if its man made or not!

I thought that was the whole point.

Dirk Pitt

I’m pretty sure he was sincere here. To most of these guys it doesn’t matter what they voice their protest against. Anything from pipelines, homelessness, to “evil corporations”. Logic doesn’t matter here.

Nor does the truth. The far-left has one objective – gain power and hold on to it at all costs. Their predictions made ten and twenty years ago failed to even remotely pass the test of time, and only make them push-out predictions to the end of the century, where all culprits of the worlds biggest science-free zone, AGW, will be long dead and forgotten.

Tom Yoke

The way I interpreted that phrase is that the “main thing” is to advance the Green Agenda. As long as one is successful in frightening the public into supporting the agenda, nothing else matters. Any rhetoric which works is acceptable.

Louis

To these people the ends justify any and all means. That became obvious to me when the video of Jonathan Gruber was made public. He admitted on the video that the Obama Administration had deliberately lied to the public to get Obamacare passed. You would have thought that even Obama supporters would be upset to learn they had been lied to. But instead, they were only upset at Gruber for telling the truth and exposing the lies. The “cause” is more important than the truth. And so it is with climate change. It doesn’t really matter if the predicted catastrophes ever come to pass or not. All that matters is that the fear mongering can be used to achieve their desired ends.

afonzarelli

Folks, do you know what the end result of this (bad behavior) is? Republican house, senate AND Trump is up by 4% in the rasmussen pole…

Hans

They all belong to CAVE (Citizens Against Virtually Everything)

Goldrider

You can’t win an argument with a SJW. The best you can do is not engage. You can’t win a rational argument against an irrational person. Above all, don’t EVER apologize. Let them hoist themselves on the petard of their own hysterical silliness. (Thanks for your book, Vox Day!)

nigelf

The end justifies the means comes to mind reading that email…

jones

Yes Dirk, I would agree that there certainly is sincerity given the expressed tone. The frightening thing with it is this is exactly the same kind of sincerity that the Witch-finder General would have as he lights the kindle while informing the hapless victim that “this is for your own salvation”.
If it wasn’t “global warming” as a cause it would be another. The fight on that front is eternal.
It’s the way of things.
My sense is that this individual is young (late teenage years perhaps) and is very likely going to shift his paradigm in the years to come. I know I did. I forgive him/her, he/she knows not what they do.

jones

Louis,
“But instead, they were only upset at Gruber for telling the truth and exposing the lies”
Are you familiar with Plato’s “The Allegory of the Cave”?

Santa Baby

It’s Marxist logic. If it support Marxism it’s logical. If it does not support Marxism it’s not logical.

Steve Case

Hans July 2, 2016 at 1:23 pm
They all belong to CAVE (Citizens Against Virtually Everything)

Back in the day, I was a fan of Al Capp who created “S*W*I*N*E” Students Wildly Indignant about Nearly Everything

Sincere or not, it’s clear that he has trouble resolving conflict between logic and imagination. It’s almost like a disconnect with the way the 2 hemispheres of the brain communicate with each other. When the pragmatic left side of the brain prevails, so does logic. When the right side dominates, creative imagination prevails and nothing is more creatively imaginary than the fears promoting climate alarmism.
It occurs to me that this cognitive process could be the origin of partisan politics. I wonder if the connectivity of the corpus callosum will reveal whether you are a strong partisan who lets others think for them (low connectivity) or an independent thinker who prefers to figure things out for themselves (high connectivity)?

Santa Baby, July 2, 2016 at 7:24 pm: “It’s Marxist logic. If it support Marxism it’s logical. If it does not support Marxism it’s not logical.”
Marx, who never held down a “real” job; expounding on fields and issues you failed in don’t count as a ‘job’, but rather, as preoccupation or avocation.

Caset

Yes and no.
The point FOR FUNDING is that it has to be man made – or else they won;t get their ££.
But they don’t really care if it’s lies or not… so long as they get the next funding cycle organised.

Robert from oz

I think this guy left his tin foil hat off for too long .

Phil R

Robert from oz,
I have to respectfully disagree. A rant like that is full-blown tinfoil hat. 🙂

I have to agree with Phil.
He had to have had that hat strapped on for that much ignorance.

oeman50

I once saw a Frontline show where a woman was very concerned with the possibility of radiation from Three Mile Island (long after the Unit 2 disaster). She walked the plant perimeter with a Geiger counter, looking for radiation. It was found that she had significant radiation exposure from natural radon from the granite in her basement. She said that was OK because it was “natural.” Cells don’t care if the ionizing radiation is natural or not. CO2, same thing.

AllyKat

A few years ago I saw a news report about how some granite countertops in kitchens were found to contain a fair amount of radon. No one interviewed was okay with those countertops being in their home.
Side note: My mom is from PA, and she says that when she hears people say “TMI”, she thinks “Three Mile Island” rather than “Too Much Information”.

I had a warmest get all upset when I pointed out the carbon dioxide release from the Boreal forest exceeds the total of all released in North America by humans. The warmest replied that was okay because that was natural carbon dioxide. Only man made carbon dioxide was dangerous. So this does not surprise me.

Jones
Like many a Nazi before him, he is a product of the indoctrination to which he has been subjected to which some mistakenly refer as “education”.

Ray Boorman

Very true, Bob. We have to live in the climate of the day, & like all generations before us, simply adapt to it. It is weird that so many people think we should still be suffering in the climate that prevailed during the Little Ice Age. Personally, I would prefer the climate of the period 8,000 or so years ago, known by the scientific community as the Holocene Climate Optimum.

emsnews

I much prefer to be in Crete during the Minoan Warm Period. Ladies got to wear the most charming dresses back then!

tony mcleod

“so many people think we should still be suffering in the climate that prevailed during the Little Ice Age”
Bit of a straw man argument there Ray. No “alarmist” says that.
I’m all for the Holocene Climate Optimum with it’s relative climatic stability. What I would seriously like to avoid is 4-5 degrees of heating above the Optimum. Humans are changing the climate at an increasing rate due to (exponential) economic growth. 4-5 degrees this century would be VERY bad for humans.
The risk may be small but throw in a few unexpected feed back discontinuities and it is non-zero.

MarkW

First off, it would take 5 to 10C of warming to get the planet up to the temperature of the Holocene Climate Optimum.
Second, why do you believe that 5C of warming in a century would be bad?
Third, Even the IPCC has given up on more than 2C of warming by the end of the century? What makes you believe they are wrong?

Ben of Houston

Tony McLeod, I beg to differ. I have heard numerous people state that we must drop our temperature below current levels. This is one of the arguments for mass carbon sequestration. In fact, this was the entire purpose of the IPCC’s third report’s cover graph, the infamous Hockey Stick.
I’m glad to hear that there are many who disagree with this foolish claim. However, the idea that we could raise the temperature to those levels is farcical. You would require a temperature sensitivity of 4-5 degrees of CO2 per doubling to get to those temperatures before running out of fossil fuels. The only problem is that such a great sensitivity of temperature to CO2 would mean that the 20th century would have been strongly cooling without CO2. Ice-age levels of cooling. There is simply no evidence for such an assumption

No, the point is virtue signalling and the posting just gave him a Virtue Smackdown instead of the expected Virtue Stroking…
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2016/07/02/virtue-signalling-what-where/#comment-69607

jdgalt

No. The important questions are (1) will GW/CC have catastrophic results if nothing is done about it, and (2) just how much cost and benefit can we expect from different ways of “fixing” GW/CC, including ideas like Benford’s bargeload of iron filings.
Then when the rube sees that the answers are (1) no and (2) it’s so easy and cheap to “fix” if true that it’s not worth worrying about GW/CC, we follow up with (3) what are the alarmists really trying to do to us and why?
I believe it’s important to give these responses to the idiots who pretend that we are just denying the existence of GW/CC and therefore we are simpletons or liars.

Michael of Brisbane

Haha!
That rant reads like the social justice warriors sound, at an anti-trump protest.
It’s a barrage of words, that don’t actually achieve anything except confirm the stupidity of the protestor!
I say, let them speak!
(i.e. Give them enough rope….)

ozspeaksup

hmm?
this mob in germany would appear to belong to the same class of crazy!
http://iceagenow.info/german-science-institute-warns-of-miniature-ice-age/
BUT
its ONLY going to be regional
go figure that one..

Jimmy Haigh

I. Rest. My. Case.

Janice Moore

Jesus Dude…What’s wrong with you?

(well, we can see who has the “radiation” (heh) problem — and also,
that when he or she wrote the above-quoted line,
she or he was obviously not looking in the mirror. lololol)
Jesus Is Just All Right” — Doobie Brothers

Hang in there, Dr. Spencer. “‘Blessed are they…'”
Jesus Dudette,
Janice
#(:))

Janice Moore

“Blessed are you…”

Steve (Paris)

Got my little one dancing round the room!

Janice Moore

Oh, Steve (in Paris). Thank you for sharing that. What a perfectly DELIGHTFUL picture that paints. Yeah, those ol’ Doobies are a lot of fun.
Here, since this is a silliness thread, play this one — I ALWAYS jump up and dance around the room to this 🙂
Just for YOU, Steve’s little one:
“Hampster Dance Song”

Happy Saturday evening in Paris!
Janice
#(:))

“Hampster Dance Song” is really Roger Miller on speed:

/Mr Lynn

Anne Ominous

Eugene WR Gallun

Anne Ominous — Beat me to it. — Eugene WR Gallun

Fraizer

Anne O
You got it all wrong. Tim foil hats are a government plot. They focus the mind control rays beamed from space by the CIA.😂

“The radiation is what the tinfoil hats are for!”
Alpha and Beta particles (and EM waves), no effectiveness for Gamma tho ..,

Applaud, or Tinker Belle will die!

I don’t believe in carbon fairies, I don’t believe in carbon fairies, … 🙂

Eugene WR Gallun

Tom Halla — You win best comment! — Eugene WR Gallun

SMC

I grade this hate mail a B.
It is reasonably articulate. It uses foul language in an appropriate manner that enhances the rant. It does not make any personal threats. It clearly displays anger and ignorance. Overall, a respectable hate mail effort. Much better than some of the other examples that have been posted here.

Janice Moore

Oh, I dunno, SMC. I think you are being quite generous, there, with that “B.” I’d give it a D+. The insanity factor nudges it too close to the pathetic to be a really effective verbal assault.
Also, the humor of its wild assertions makes it hard to feel very upset… hard to feel upset when you are laughing! lolololololol

SMC

But Janice, compared to the other hate mails Mr. Watts has posted, this one is actually somewhat readable. I think your grading criteria is too strict when you consider the intellect involved. An insanity factor is not really a consideration when grading Hate Mail, besides, almost all hate mail is pathetic. I suggest you consider grading on a curve. :))

Janice Moore

lol (SMC). 🙂

D. J. Hawkins

@SMC
What, you want to grade on a curve?

SMC

D.J.
No, I don’t grade on a curve. I suggested Janice should grade on a curve. I thought the grade she assigned this hate mail was somewhat harsh. I believe this hate mail is a much better effort than other hate mails Mr. Watts (and Dr. Spencer) have posted for evaluation and ridicule. Besides, grading hate mail is a subjective endeavor. Janice’s ‘D+’ is equally as valid as the ‘B’ I assigned.

CWells

‘Curving’ is totally unacceptable in any realm of climate debate. Use a bit of Mannian PCM statistical corruption and you could give any grade, A thru F, as you choose!!

SMC

CW, that’s only true if you’re using hokey sticks.

MarkW

Janice … curves …
SMC, I do believe that qualifies as micro-aggression.

Ben of Houston

I’d give it a solid C. True, it’s legible, but too full of ignorant points to warrant a higher grade. Wishing death on your political opponents is OK for the genre, however, adding easily disprovable nonsense like people moving south to avoid radiation undermines the point.

I would like to second your critique.
This hate mail managed to convey the inner feelings of the writer, it’s dismay of differing views and the total disregard for science.
Rather weak on the language side though. One could expect a letter on scientific issues to at least once use the “D” word.
I will give it a “B plus”.
😀

John Harmsworth

Or, tragically, an A in today’s classrooms.

Goldrider

We don’t give out D’s anymore . . . or even use a red pencil. Too “triggering” to fragile self-esteem. ALL the children are above average, and EVERYONE gets a trophy–and this guy is the end result output.

Streetcred

JH., in our universities today it could earn a PhD.

emsnews

Dumbest child in the class prize!

Ben of Houston

As much as I hate to say it, I grade my wife’s papers, and I have to say that original composition is sorely lacking on the junior high level. I can tell when it’s plagiarized when it has three well formed and properly punctuated sentences in a row.
Most essays have been sacrificed to increase studying for standardized testing.

Sure, but we can’t see the spittle and foam on his/her/its computer screen. That adds a lot to the troll level

SMC

You can get an indication of the spittle/foam level by the creative use of vituperative, vitriolic language. While this hate mail uses foul language in an appropriate manner, enhancing the rant, it is lacking in the creative use of bile.

The complainer misses the bigger problem, probably because his/her brain is not big enough to encompass it. If the northern Jet-Stream did actually displace into the southern hemisphere, how can anyone put it back up here in the north?
In a bad science fiction movie, a Mad Scientist at the EPA would call for the US Government to do a high-altitude detonation of a nuclear weapon to cause the Jet Stream to resume its regular course. I don’t know how that Hollywood Lackluster would finish the plot, but it would certainly be a Disaster Movie, to be sure.

Ben of Houston

Aliens, my friend, aliens.
Plus the power of love thrown in there somewhere.

DonM

Good grade assessment. If not for the aside about moving to the southern hemisphere to avoid radiation it would have been a C, but the that minor twist was a good/needed interruption to the redundant rant. It causes the reader to want to pay attention … to see if there will be anything new coming around the corner.
Further improvement to the letter could be made by an indirect and cluttered summary, clarifying that end does indeed justify the means, even if we don’t have a clue as to what the end (goal) actually is … but we all have to do our part.

Andi Cockroft

Well, I moved to the Southern Hemisphere 30 years ago – New Zealand in fact – and that to escape the European Union. However, I know from bitter experience that radiation here and in Australia is a huge problem with the Ozone being so much thinner. I have lost many of my new friends to skin cancer over those intervening years. Slip, Slop, Slap is an oft quoted message about the use of sunblock and sunhat !!!

Geoff Sherrington

Andi,
Some guy named Gore wrote “Earth in the Balance” in the 80s or so. He claimed that in Sth America like Patagonis, increased ultra violet radiation from space was causing health problems like blindness in rabbits and salmon.
Maybe this was the start of the insanity about hemispheric radiation dangers.
Trouble is, there was next to no data on incoming uvradiation levels, so nobody could claim that there was an increase let alone one large enough to be dangerous.
The main lesson is that Vice Presidents have some sway that should be used responsibly.
Gore had little idea of science but he has left a legacy of belief in ignorance that has affected much of a Western generation young enough to believe in crap by authority.
Gore should apologise. Hell should freeze over.
(BTW, hate mail is an easy deal compared with death threats and bomb- like devices left at ones home, as happened to my family when I was more involved with countering crap.)
Geoff

Geoff Sherrington July 2, 2016 at 4:46 pm: “Some guy named Gore wrote “Earth in the Balance” in the 80s or so. He claimed that …”
Geoff , that ‘chicken’ is about to come home to roost, witness:
Limbaugh’s Al Gore Armageddon Clock About To Hit Zero After 10 Years
by Kerry Picket of The Daily Caller
Former Vice President Al Gore made a prediction for the earth’s point of no return 10 years ago and talk radio host Rush Limbaugh held him to it since that day in 2006.
The countdown clock on Limbaugh’s site has been running for nearly 10 years since Gore’s apocalyptic prediction about the earth as a result of greenhouse emissions. Less than a month remains in the countdown.

.
We’re down to 24 days, 5 hrs and 43 mins as I type this …
.

Correction to prior: We’ve already passed that 10 yr date! And all is well!

Eugene WR Gallun

Bob Tisdale — I think ON THE BEACH comes close. — Eugene WR Gallun

Geoff Sherrington

Eugene,
The movie On the Beach has a beautiful demonstration of the inner mind of the bureaucrat.
As the people-killing radioactive clouds are about to wipe out Earth’s last people, an official health care female is handing out suicide pills supplied by government. Her job is to tick off people on her clip board, so nobody can be greedy and take two.
It is a delicious scene about the stupidity of officialdom.
Geoff

Eamon Butler

With a bit more effort, I’m sure this grade will improve.
Eamon.

Ed Jones

The mind of a child provides counsel to the fool.

M Seward

Global warming alarmism is man made, we all know that much. Who the f**k cares about the details?

schitzree

Paul is getting the word out there to people

And it doesn’t matter to the Climate Faithful whether that word is true or not. A lie that is believed is fine with them.
Noble Cause Corruption at it’s most corrupt.

John Boles

I bet he (the writer) daily uses a car, electricity, energy, gas, etc…so what does he expect every one else to do, live in a hole in the ground? People like that are always big hypocrites, with irrational expectations.

Janice Moore

I think his or her family took the car keys away last year… (told her or him they needed to be re-painted ….)

birdynumnum

Anyone who paints their car keys are a bit suspect anyway. 🙂

Janice Moore

Indeed, Birdy. 🙂
Well, if ol’ Radiation Emergency didn’t fall for the paint ruse, then they likely used the “gotta get these keys re-made so no one can steal your car”) ploy ….

SMC

Living in a hole in the ground would expose him to radiation though. I think he must be living in a cloud castle…Although there would be issues with higher exposure to cosmic radiation… nothing a little lead wouldn’t fix…:))

How long would he stay up there with lead protection though, I think he would drop like a lead balloon.

SMC

I saw a lead balloon float on ‘Mythbusters’ once.

David L. Hagen

Is it Cooling or Warming? That is the question!
I wonder if they will ever notice that its only been “warming” since the Little Ice Age – which has temporarily overcome the cooling since the Holocene Optimum?!

sergeiMK

[snip -policy violation – sockpuppeting. BANNED. See my comment below – Anthony]

None of which has anything to do with the contents of the email from the nutter.

Sergi, you poor thing. Mr. Mann made his own bed, he can sleep in it. We know he is pushing a fraud.

Michael Jankowski

So are you “thefordperfect” and posting as “sergeiMK” to get around being banned for misbehavior here, or are you just lifting material that “thefordperfect” has posted repeatedly on other sites over the years? Either choice is pathetic.
Do you know if those posters were ever banned? Do you realize that it has been 7+ years since those posts with not a single addition to the list of “death wishes on this very blog?”

Bloke down the pub

People heading to the Southern hemisphere to avoid the radiation? Has this guy been reading On the beach?

Benjamin R Wilson

Good pickup. .
For those not in the know, “On the Beach” was a book/movie back in the early 60’s about a nuclear war between the US and Russia that resulted in so much fall-out that it wiped out human life in the Northern Hemisphere.
However, in the Southern Hemisphere life went on for a while . . . because the wind patterns don’t go north/south across the equator, or so the story went. So everybody packed up and headed south.
Eventually, though, the fallout made it to the southern reaches of the earth, and all mankind died.
And the moral of the story was, to avoid that, the US needed to immediately disarm. . . .

Mike the Morlock

China USSR

James Francisco

The movies were better.

Geoff Sherrington

Geoff from Melbourne here.
Please be careful how many of you migrate to here.
Acting on the advice of a USA Senator, we have concerns that our island continent will tip from the extra weight and throw us into the sea, which others in the USA assure is is the hottest evah.

Dirk Pitt

You however are a disgrace to global scientists!

What the heck is “global scientist”?

Janice Moore

I think…. it is the group of which our writer is charter member…. formed in 1973….. Anthony should consider himself honored that the writer has deemed Anthony worthy of membership.

Dirk Pitt

You mean, … His Globalness, Anthony Watts?

Gunga Din

Or perhaps to the author of the hate email a “global scientist” is one whose head and ego are of global dimensions?

Dirk Pitt

More like, glueball dimensions

Steve (Paris)

Janice thank you for the Hamster clip even if I have to play it every five minutes, interspered with the Doobies.

Janice Moore

Steve (in Paris): 🙂

urederra

Overweight scientists. You know it is time to hit the threadmill when you are called a global scientist.

Clyde Spencer

Aren’t they scientists who study globes?

Gunga Din

Like Prof. Sybil Trelawney?

Eugene WR Gallun

[snip =over the top -mod]

Eugene WR Gallun

Mod — i admit it was sorta Absurdist. — Eugene WR Gallun

Ben of Houston

Out of all that drivel, you chose that to highlight?
It obviously means “Scientists worldwide”.

eyesonu

Paul Beckwith got his 15 minutes of fame. I hope it lasts a little longer. However, I doubt that he is enjoying his fame at this point but he got what he asked for.
As far as the little hatemonger who sent the email, he/she clearly blew their cork. I can’t stop laughing!

Oh, he’s done that before! Remember when all the Arctic Ice melted? Paul was there with an entertaining essay.

Why Arctic sea ice will vanish in 2013
Submitted by Paul Beckwith on Mon, 2013-06-10 23:18
By Paul Beckwith
On March 23, 2013, I made the following prediction:
“For the record—I do not think that any sea ice will survive this summer. An event unprecedented in human history is today, this very moment, transpiring in the Arctic Ocean.
The cracks in the sea ice that I reported in my Sierra blog and elsewhere have spread. Worse news is at this very moment the entire sea ice sheet (or about 99 percent of it) covering the Arctic Ocean is on the move (clockwise), and the thin, weakened icecap has literally begun to tear apart.
This is abrupt climate change in real-time…..”

Michael Jankowski

He is going to have a hard time reproducing that fail.

Latitude

HELP….I’m stuck in the wrong hemisphere and the radiation’s got me!………..
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u.k(us)

….”but I think it will be more enjoyable for regulars here to take a shot at it.”
=============
Nobody ever thinks of those poor mods, that have to read the crap us regulars post 🙂
I do.

papiertigre

Who the f**k cares if its man made or not!
I take that as an homage to Hillary Clinton’s famous catch phrase.

Eliza

Although I hate L Svaalgards attitude Im begining to think the ol XXXX is correct the sun barely changes and has no effect on climate short term.we’ve just had a super cold winter here in central america, but the sun has come out again and the wind from the amazon 30 C today latitude 24 S based mainly on the La nina coming back and re establishing highs over the west coast of Brazil

Janice Moore

Well, Eliza, sometimes Dr. Svalgaard’s attitude can be a bit high-and-mighty, but… I really don’t think he wrote that note… “Jesus Dude” just isn’t his style….
On the other hand….. if he smoked a joint…. and had just read one too many vukcevic comments…… (/sarc)
AS IF! #(:))
Thanks for that, Eliza — posting on the wrong thread happens to even the best of us, as you have now shown.
lol 🙂

Gunga Din

Thanks for that, Eliza — posting on the wrong thread happens to even the best of us, as you have now shown.
lol 🙂

Thanks, Janice.
I think you nailed how Dr. Svalgaard’s name popped up here.

Greg Woods

hmm? ‘west coast of Brazil’ BTW, I live in Los Llanos de Colombia, with the Amazonas neighboring, and the winds have been quite calm…

birdynumnum

That last tectonic plate shift in Chile must have been worse than I thought if Brazil has a west coast.

Tom in Florida

It is true, you can’t fix stupid.

Art

Many people have moved to the southern hemisphere to get away from the radiation? Is he saying global warming is causing excessive radiation in the northern half of the planet? So much that the masses are fleeing to south of the equator in fear for their lives?
But….but…..but I thought they were supposed to be fleeing in both directions from the equator to escape the areas made uninhabitable by global warming?
Obviously I’ve been misinformed up till now.

Gunga Din

When one is “out in the ozone”, it’s easy to confuse the hype about the ozone hole with the hype about caGW.

Crispin in Waterloo

The ‘ozone hole’ is a major cause of global cooling, witness the refusal of Antarctic temps to rise, and the unending ‘hole’.
For those who have not read Prof Lu’s papers on the formation and moderation of the ozone hole (GCR and bromine and CFC’s etc) it really is worth the effort. Prof Lu is at the University of Waterloo, Ontario. Look for his three papers. There is a pretty funny interchange between him and ‘Eli Rabbet’ attacking Lu on Eli’s blog (Eli comes off as a nitwit).
In short, all the variation in global temperatures since 1950 can be explained by the ozone hole modulation over Antarctica.

timg56

Crispin,
I disagree with your evaluation of the little bunny. Halprin comes off as an arrogant nitwit.

Louis

Maybe he’s referring to solar radiation, as in radiant energy. The ice extent has been growing at the South Poll, so obviously, it’s getting less solar radiation down under. 🙂

Javier

But….but…..but I thought they were supposed to be fleeing in both directions from the equator to escape the areas made uninhabitable by global warming?

Actually most people are fleeing the Arctic areas in fear of Arctic amplification. Apparently there is only an old guy living now in the North Pole.

MattN

I couldn’t have conjured up a better example of what is wrong with the Followers of Heat, and how completely unscientific they are.

Peter Morris

“Forget it. He’s on a roll.”
With apologies to John Belushi.

BunyipBill

I’m sure I lost a few IQ points reading that.
“……. I don’t see you doing anything except having a web site that no one even knows about…I’ve never heard of you…….” Uhm, yep, so no body knows of the website and s/he hasn’t heard of you but still manages to send you a “blistering” hate mail. As for the rest of it, while I do have a sadistic streak, it’s no fun poking and prodding defenseless little creatures.
The Derp is strong with this one.

Well, it did have a higher level of literacy than most of the people he wants to contact and have circulated in the climate alarmism echo chamber, so it has to be a high B effort. I thought it was my old age dementia when I read about radiation, but then I remembered if you go south of the equator the radiation is counterclockwise so it must not be as bad, or something.
The true believers don’t care what is said or how what the science sounds like as long as it is bad and we just have to do something NOW.

BallBounces

Suddenly global warming is starting to make a lot of sense… 😉

Gunga Din

Replace “drugs” with “CAGW hype” and this makes sense.

SMC

I like my eggs…errr, brains…scrambled… Oh wait, they already are… 🙂

marcus

…I really, really , REALLY wanted to come back with a great retort to this silly rant…but, alas, I was simply rolling on the floor while laughing too hard ! Priceless !

Mike Maguire

The sad thing is that this is not at all isolated. I have written around a dozen articles on climate change for the local paper over the last 15 years. Many of them are titled” “Special to the Courier”. I was a tv meteorologist here for 11 years, so they present me as an expert………not just somebody writing a letter to the editor with crazy opinions.
Since they started a comments section below all articles at the newspaper online site many years ago, I would bet money that there have been over 100 comments as bad as this particular example of hateful, completely clueless ranting.
After one particular article, my wife was seriously almost in tears because of several especially personal attacks(some people remember me from tv and use that to ramp up the personal element).
She wanted to jump in and defend me but I insisted that she never do that.
A person venting or whose intention is to denigrate, may attract plenty “birds of a feather” but with time(sometimes immediately) it is quite obvious which source has integrity and which one does not…………regardless of who is right about the science.
People who are right about the science because they completely understand it, will almost never resort to such tactics in communicating their position.

Mike Maguire

“People who are right about the science because they completely understand it, will almost never resort to such tactics in communicating their position.”
That should say “people who are objective about the science and understand much of it but know that there are still many uncertainties”
Nobody completely understands it. Some/many think that they do but I’m not one of them. Sorry for making the previous statement.

John Harmsworth

To paraphrase the above, only the true believers have stopped asking questions. I come to this site because it has intelligent inquiry and analysis and people who have personal and scientific credibility. I care much more about the corruption of science than I do about this minor warming issue.

Are we sure this isn’t satire sent to Dr. Spencer as his own personal piece of performance art? It is almost too perfectly stupid and cynical to be real.

SMC

Never underestimate the power of stupidity.

Yes, I too wondered if it was satire. It just seems too outrageous to be genuine.

Bruce Cobb

“Paul is getting the word out there to people… I don’t see you doing anything except having a web site that no one even knows about…I’ve never heard of you.”
Based on that sentence alone, the guy (or gal) is a class A moron, in addition to being emotionally unstable. So, never mind what “word” Beckwitless is getting out there, it’s the getting it “out there” that’s important. Then the nitwit intones that all AW is doing is “having a website that no one even knows about”, followed by the logic-free statement “I’ve never heard of you”. Clearly, it has no clue about WUWT – either what it does, or its reach, and thus, having itself never heard of either AW or WUWT (almost certainly a bald-faced lie), then it must be irrelevant. But if it’s so irrelevant, then why does it feel the need to go on a rant?

Gunga Din

Then the nitwit intones that all AW is doing is “having a website that no one even knows about”, followed by the logic-free statement “I’ve never heard of you”. Clearly, it has no clue about WUWT

To be fair, the ranter wasn’t talking about WUWT but Dr. Spenser and his site.
Of course, if he’s never heard of Dr. Spenser or http://www.drroyspencer.com/ then why the vitriol?

Tom Yoke

“Why the vitriol?” My interpretation is that this poster has never read anything from an actual scientific skeptic, and probably is unaware that such creatures actually do exist. He is vaguely aware that “deniers” are out there, but believes them to be solely part of the apathetic public or fossil fuel funded.
Because Roy Spencer is “Dr. Spencer” he must be a scientist and therefore is of course a global warming alarmist. That being so, it is obviously infuriating for Spencer to not to understand the “damage” his lack of enthusiasm creates.

Gunga Din

Because Roy Spencer is “Dr. Spencer” he must be a scientist and therefore is of course a global warming alarmist. That being so, it is obviously infuriating for Spencer to not to understand the “damage” his lack of enthusiasm creates.

Perhaps the e-mailer is suffering from the “97% consensus” virus? I think the CDC said it effects the brain.
But I could be wrong.
(Dang! I just admitted I could be be wrong! Guess I’m not a “Global Scientist”.)

rw

Since this guy seems to be quite a fan of Beckwith, someone should ask him if he believes that the Arctic ice did melt away in 2013. (However, from my observations I suspect that that sort of thing doesn’t even register with someone like this.)

Bill Illis

The warmists like their myths. And any time someone puts out another myth-making video, they spread it around the world as fast as possible. They want other people to believe the myths that support the global warming narrative. Naturally, that means they hate people that try correct their myths and myth-making videos with factual information.
Speak no facts, see no facts, hear no facts.

u.k(us)

You’re underestimating the baser tendencies.

Barbara

A great post !!!

Eliza

El nino I meant

Eliza

too late it seems LOL

A. Scott

A better display of the wondrous world of mental midgetry we rarely see …

Alan Robertson

Probably some karma involved in laughing out loud at stupidity in others.

John Harmsworth

My mother used to say, ” it’s wicked to mock the afflicted “! But then she’d chuckle just a little.

“Many people have moved to the southern hemisphere to get away from the radiation”
What radiation is he talking about? We may be the land of down under but the sun shines here too.

littlepeaks

I worked in a large government lab. Most people had, at least, a bachelor’s degree. Most of my coworkers were liberal Democrats (ugh). There was a collegiate atmosphere in the lab. We had few supervisors, but people just took charge of things — and if you needed help, someone would always come to the rescue, and if you didn’t know how to do something, someone else would, or have a good idea anyway. One of the things that set the people in the lab apart from the general population was — no one cussed. Think that’s one way to differentiate between scientists and others. Heated arguments (which were few) involved many large words, that would send the average folk scrambling for the nearest dictionary.

“ And let’s not throw stones about Donations…You have your own Donation button !!!! Fix it Please…”
Just fixed it. Donation done.

Janice Moore

Aw, Vukcevic. You have a good heart. Good for you.

Michael Carter

You people that put yourselves on the front line are very brave. Thank you

Gunga Din

“Ditto”

PA

This person has clearly blown a gasket and needs help.
Please go down to NAPA auto parts, get a roll of gasket material, and send it him so he can fix his problem.
I would send him a gasket, but he seems distorted and out-of-spec and the gasket will probably have to be cut to fit.

ShrNfr

Not sure that there is a head to put on top of the gasket when you place it on the block. Anyway, I think he broke is timing belt.

PA

Well, you can get human heads online – but they aren’t very functional.
Of course, what he has right now isn’t very functional either so people might not notice.

SMC

ShrNfr,
I don’t think the timing belt is broken. This person is clearly not running on all cylinders, something a blown gasket could easily explain. A broken timing belt would likely cause serious damage to the head, valves and pistons causing the crank to seize up.

​This is a copy and paste of the response I made on my blog. Here is the link which has the pop cultural reference videos and the rest:
Mark Sherman
PAUL BECKWITH CROSSES THE STREAM CAUSING TOTAL PROTONIC REVERSAL
7/2/2016
Saturday silliness – warmist blows a gasket
“I get some hate email from time to time. Actually, not very much. I guess I’m still cruising under the radar.
Whatever you do, do not cross the streams!!
In response to my post yesterday criticizing Paul Beckwith’s post about the allegedly unprecedented crossing of the equator by jet stream winds (a post which, after much criticism, he has since modified), I received a heartfelt email (reproduced below) asking me to, ummm, back off on my criticism.
This email I received yesterday is rather disturbing because I fear it reveals the low caliber of scientific knowledge that exists out there. Too many people are too easily fooled by pseudo-scientific ramblings which can go viral and cross the globe in a matter of hours. This cuts both ways in the global warming debate, as frequent readers of my blog know I have banned people on my side of the argument for pushing too hard on what I consider to be bad science (e.g. the claim that there is no such thing as the “greenhouse effect”).”
CAGW true believers are easily fooled by pseudo-scientific ramblings? Say it ain’t so!
“Even Jason Samenow from the Capital Weather Gang posted agreement with me that there is nothing unusual about winds at the jet stream level moving back and forth across the equator. Jason also quotes other PhD-level atmospheric scientists in that article.
So, I’m just going to leave this here…I was tempted to answer many of the points made below, but I think it will be more enjoyable for regulars here to take a shot at it.
What A way to treat a fellow scientist. Who the f**k cares if its man made or not! Paul is getting the word out there to people…what are you doing? I don’t see you doing anything except having a web site that no one even knows about…I’ve never heard of you. Paul Beckwith puts a lot of hard work and time into trying to raise the issue…You however are a disgrace to global scientists! Or do you not agree this is an emergency? This one video finally caught some attention and you have to f**k it up…Idiot! We NEED for this to be news so maybe, just maybe something will be done! This video has gone viral…let it be! You have made up lies about him and tried to discredit him…why would you do that??? Many people have moved to the southern hemisphere to get away from the radiation…because this was NOT supposed to happen. You need to take down what you said from your web site! What is happening is dangerous and people need to know…too many people already do not believe GW is real…they need to prepare! They need to know! Jesus Dude…What’s wrong with you? And let’s not throw stones about Donations…You have your own Donation button!!!! Fix it Please…
And….discuss!”
I’ll bite, and stand in for the good doctor.
It’s the Deputy Undersecretary, for the Assistant Bully to the Grand Poobah Bully, popping off. Yeah, yeah, yeah your dad will beat up my dad, I know, simmer down short shanks. I enjoy how the dim bulb thinks that “Paul” is a demigod, and how his bloomers get twisted when someone who has a website “that no one even knows about” says something slightly contra the CAGW canon. For a minute there I though his bloomer twist cut off the blood supply to his brain, then I remembered . . .
“What A way to treat a fellow scientist. Who the f**k cares if its man made or not! Paul is getting the word out there to people…” Whut?! I thought the whole point is – “man made!” Because if not, I can take my victory lap right now and go home and not deal with you. How else would one treat a “fellow scientist?” He says something, I disagree, because he is wrong, so I correct him. It’s how it’s done. Welcome to adulthood, it is a world of liberty, which means freedoms tightly tethered to responsibilities. You see I have responsibilities here to point out errors, and inform my “colleague” of his error. Paul has indeed been getting the word out to the people, the false word to the True Believers. This is always a bad idea.
“Paul Beckwith puts a lot of hard work and time into trying to raise the issue…You however are a disgrace to global scientists! Or do you not agree this is an emergency?” Name dropper! And, no, not so much. Humans are raising the temps, finding the human signal is proving exceedingly difficult, it seems the forcing, and mediating effects in the system work properly. Cult of Personality much? Go read the link, you need it!
Skeptics Guide to Anthropogenic Global Warming_v1.0.pdf
Then comes the penultimate scene from Invasion of the Body Snatchers, “You have made up lies about him and tried to discredit him . . . why would you do that???” I take it you are standing stalk still, mouth open, pointing! Yeah, I thought so.
Hahahahahahahahahaha, really, that’s what you got? When my children were toddlers they had better game. If that’s all you got, hit the floor, kick and pound because anyone with a child of middling intelligence faced better than that. Sheesh.
“Many people have moved to the southern hemisphere to get away from the radiation…because this was NOT supposed to happen.” Oh, right, well that accounts for all those people bums rushing the US and European borders, then, right?! Sorry, the wife just walked by, smacked my on the head, and learned me, WE ARE NORTH! Got it. Could you send me a list of the names of all the people bums rushing the South?! Pretty please. I haven’t seen this surge. You can’t stop the signal, but perhaps it got lost in the ether. When it comes to dodging radiation, I usually just keep the trunk lid closed.
“You need to take down what you said from your web site! What is happening is dangerous and people need to know…too many people already do not believe GW is real…they need to prepare! They need to know! Jesus Dude…What’s wrong with you? ”
Actually, Paul took down what he said from his web site, because what he said was stupid. Let me know if you are getting this, I can speak more slowly. My problem? Hey, my problem is critical thinking, and a functional inability to form beliefs, and the associated attachments. Yours? Right, just the opposite. Dude, I’ll throw you a bone GW is real, but CAGW is not real, the whole running around hair on fire, hands over head screaming like the Wet Bandits in Home Alone is “right out” to mix, and steal a movie metaphors.
Please keep mashing my donation button.
And please, write often. This was fun.
The popular culture references:
You will have to pop on over to the blog for the vids.

JohnWho

“Actually, Paul took down what he said from his web site, because what he said was stupid.”
OMG! His website is now blank!?
I’ve just got to bookmark his site for those times when I’m on the Web but don’t want to be bothered reading anything, I can now go to a blank site.
/grin

One can dream!

ShrNfr

Man, this “dude” stuff is getting out of hand. From “The Glop and Mule” of Canada on the recent meetings up that way with Obama: “Dudeplomacy’ on show between Trudeau, Obama”
Quite a how do you dude if you ask me.

John Harmsworth

Don’t dude that again!

SMC

Bad puns will be punished by flogging with a wet noodle in the pubic square.

Barbara

Check the “Glop and Mule” for their UNEP connection.

This person exhibits the perennial outrage of the typical Green\left, driven by the overwhelming fear that someone, somewhere, somehow, might someday be successful and make a PROFIT!

Hugs

We NEED for this to be news so maybe, just maybe something will be done!

Oh yes, we need to get something done. The attitude that anything goes for something is the core problem of fixing assumed catastrophic anthropogenic global warming by doing things that either 1) change nothing (disconnect your mobile phone adapter so save evergy) 2) cause serious damage (move production to third countries that use primarily coal) 3) move large sums of money without efficient outcome (wind energy subsidies) or even 4) will kill people (all talk about serious reduction of energy use or reduction of agricultucal efficiency)
Oh please don’t do something. Do the right thing.

Hot under the collar

“….do you not agree this is an emergency?……We NEED for this to be news so maybe, just maybe something will be done! This video has gone viral…let it be! …….Many people have moved to the southern hemisphere to get away from the radiation…because this was NOT supposed to happen. …..What is happening is dangerous and people need to know…too many people already do not believe GW is real…they need to prepare! They need to know! Jesus Dude…What’s wrong with you?”
Alarmism rant at its finest! If they didn’t have the internet, this ‘dude’ would be stood at the side of the road with a placard stating “The End Is Nigh!”
I believe this is the sort of afflicted person ‘care in the community’ is for.

pochas94

Billy Madison – Everyone in this Room is Now Dumber

John Harmsworth

I need to record that for quick access! Invaluable!

SMC

Awesome! That’s Great!

u.k(us)

Wait,… what ??…… does this mean I’m no longer the dumbest person in the room ??
Umm, never mind.

What is happening is dangerous and people need to know…too many people already do not believe GW is real…they need to prepare!

Young man, you have been prepared and protected from the depredations of nature all of your life. It might be interesting for you to understand the science and engineering behind everything you now take for granted. Just look at everything in a hardware store or a grocery store. Ask yourself “How did this all get here?” From the ore in the ground to the item on the shelf–it is a wonderful story.
The older I get the more I thank God every morning for things that work, and esp. for people who make things that work. The catastrophe will be to lose those people. Worthless wind turbines–you have got to be kidding me.

Barbara

There is a wind and solar developer in both the U.S. and Canada with connections to POTUS and a Board member of the UN SE4All.

Barbara

The above is a Chicago based wind and solar developer.

Barbara

Sustainable Energy For All/SE4All
Executive Committee includes:
Andrew Steer, also Pres. & CEO of World Resources Institute/WRI

UN Sustainable Energy for All
No thank you.
Board members include John Kerry
@Barbara.
I would say something about that organization and their board, but it would probably come out sounding like the email-writer who is the subject of this post — possibly worse.
I did read in a draft for the rio +20 cop that there was a new “human right to sustainable energy.” That insufferable Boomer Kerry would be irresistibly attracted to some new way to betray and asset strip his own country, wouldn’t he.

Barbara

Zeke, did you happen to notice that the Chair.of Royal Dutch Shell is on the SE4All Executive Committee? Tim Wirth is there too.
Possible reason Shell has not been included in any action by those engaged in the Exxon affair?

Barbara

The Shell Foundation is on the \$1 million or more donors list at the WRI/World Resources Institute.
Big Oil?

Barbara says, “Did you happen to notice that the Chair.of Royal Dutch Shell is on the SE4All Executive Committee? Tim Wirth is there too.
Possible reason Shell has not been included in any action by those engaged in the Exxon affair?”
No ma’am I did not see that. I looked up the Board of Directors and only recognized Lurch.
Thank you for the follow up. And all of your excellent posts as well.

The way I see it, all of our businesses are likely under tremendous pressure to adopt the new rules or face bad press. Some of the companies have probably withstood the unreasonable demands for worthless product changes, and the higher prices.
But at least WUWT and others were able to catch what was being done to Exxon.
Shell has not been selected for green rancor, you are right. Very selective application of prosecution.

Roy Spencer overstated:

(a post which, after much criticism, he has since modified)

Jet Stream Crosses Equator, Unprecedented?

Unprecedented, Jet Stream Crosses Equator

I don’t think he changed anything else!
See http://wermenh.com/images/jet-equator.jpg for a screen-cap of the first part of Beckwith’s original post that I captured soon after Roy posted about it.

Gamecock

Betteridge’s Law applies.

u.k(us)

Wrong thread ??, I thought we were trying to make jokes.

Gunga Din

So he’s coming clean….sort of.
Instead of a claim the Arctic is now ice free…oops…Instead of a claim that the Jet Stream has never crossed the Equator, he’s moved a word and added a question mark to imply it never has.
Weasel.

Roy Spencer

the person who sent the email, a woman, at least signed her name. Kudos for that.

SMC

Well, based on the average of those that have given this hate mail a grade, she has earned a C+ grade.

Eamon Butler

”I don’t see you doing anything except having a web site that no one even knows about…I’ve never heard of you.”
You might need to introduce yourself.
Eamon.

Many people have moved to the southern hemisphere to get away from the radiation…

Damn cobalt thorium G. https://youtu.be/aSlf2vB80lo

SMC

Good movie, haven’t seen it in a long time. I’m going to have to watch it again.