Brexit: Siemens Freezes New Wind Power Projects

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Guest essay by Eric Worrall

h/t mwhite – Siemens has frozen new British wind power projects, until the post Brexit relationship with the European Union is negotiated.

Siemens freezes new UK wind power investment following Brexit vote

German energy firm will not make fresh plans until the UK’s European relationship becomes clearer, but existing manufacturing will not be affected

Siemens is putting new wind power investment plans in the UK on hold due to uncertainty caused by last week’s Brexit vote, the Germany energy company has told the Guardian.

A £310m manufacturing hub in Hull that employs 1,000 people will not be affected by the decision, and should still begin producing blades and assembling turbines next year.

But Siemens, one of the few firms to openly back a Remain vote, will not be making new investments until the future of the UK’s relationship with Europe becomes clearer.

Juergen Maier, the firm’s UK CEO, said that an existing blueprint to export offshore wind turbine machinery from the Hull hub was now up in the air.

He said: “Those plans were only beginning to happen and I expect that they will stall until we can work out exactly what the [new government’s] plan is, how we can participate in EU research programmes, and until all the issues around tariffs and trade have been sorted out.”

It is unclear how much money the EU gave to the Hull project but it has put up £525m for the Beatrice windfarm project in Scotland, whose developer will be a major buyer of the Hull factory’s turbine blades.

Despite this EU support, the people of Hull voted overwhelmingly for Leave in what a local councillor described as “a cry of rage”.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/28/siemens-freezes-new-uk-wind-power-investment-following-brexit-vote

The EU is truly losing its grip, if recipients of EU “largesse” reject the EU at the ballot box. The Brexit campaign, and the United Kingdom Independence Party (UKIP), receives some of its strongest support from places like Hull, working class cities which are frequently listed as “deprived”.

Greens often try to paint support for climate policies as a left / right issue, but the truth is far more nuanced. Despite unwavering support for green causes from elite left wing British politicians, the reality is there are plenty of “Reagan Democrats” throughout the world, who are open to persuasion about issues which directly affect their own lives – as UKIP proved with the massive Brexit defections they engineered in places like Hull, some of the most staunchly left wing regions in Britain. Without UKIPs effort to appeal to the left, the Brexit vote would have failed.

I am not suggesting climate was the core issue for most Brexit voters, though I suspect it played a part. It is getting harder to deny the role climate regulations play in high profile heavy industry job losses in working class areas.

Even über green California sometimes suffers a worker’s mutiny against green policies.

To put it another way, people who are one or two paycheques away from homelessness have no time for politicians who promise to make their energy bills skyrocket, if someone makes the effort to offer them an alternative.

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David Cage
June 29, 2016 2:18 am

It was all very well for the EU to say allow free entry to all to Europe but few want to stay in Europe. English is for many of them an equal first language so they all want to come here and we are ten times as crowded as many other EU countries already.
The pound is in inevitable decline until we start to see that climate change was a fraud and use the potential cheap energy we have to revive industry and kick out the wind and solar industries from mainstream energy to the fringe it belongs in.
Above all in the long term we cannot afford to have secret deals done by Brussels negotiators as when they fail to notice a side effect of an agreement it is potentially disastrous. It is often those on the fringe notice problems while those closely involved only see the core.

Hoplite
Reply to  David Cage
June 29, 2016 9:13 am

I think you’ll find that most of the asylum seekers wanted to go to Germany. I don’t recall many saying they wanted to go to UK.

Reply to  Hoplite
June 29, 2016 10:51 am

No these poor people have been conned into selling off all of their worldly goods to buy passage for outrageous sums from predatory human traffickers based on pie in the sky lies. When they finally get there they find themselves thrown into a society they have no chance to adjust to. They can’t learn the language, they have no saleable skills a lot of the food is pork based and German Women are not prudish about showing skin. There is no way for a Muslim to adapt from living in a Sharia based society to German Society. EU is simply being inhumane allowing it to continue.

Reply to  Hoplite
June 29, 2016 10:51 am

FTSE 100 has closed ABOVE pre-breixt level, at 6,360. “The pound also strengthened against the dollar and euro.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36660133
Hey, Hoplite, how’s the Punt doing? Oh, I forgot, Ireland went for the Euro.

seaice1
Reply to  Hoplite
June 29, 2016 4:10 pm

Paul Jackson, are you smuggling in Poe?

observa
Reply to  David Cage
June 29, 2016 8:48 pm

“The pound is in inevitable decline until we start to see that climate change was a fraud and use the potential cheap energy we have to revive industry and kick out the wind and solar industries from mainstream energy to the fringe it belongs in.”
Never look a gift horse in the mouth. Chuck in a cable through the Chunnel and flog the power at exorbitant Green prices to the Euroweenies who love that stuff. I think ‘Remain Power’ would be a good name for the new entity and the marketing campaign.

1saveenergy
Reply to  observa
June 30, 2016 12:57 pm

The existing cross channel interconnectors supply ~8% of UK electricity (mainly cheap French nuclear) without that supply UK ‘s lights will go out
http://nationalgrid.stephenmorley.org/
Here’s what’s happening on the French grid
http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/france/

chris moffatt
June 29, 2016 3:16 am

The “cry of rage” link is to a Hull Daily Mail article. Reading the readers’ comments on the article is very instructive and gives the absolute lie to the remainer meme that brexit supporters are all ignorant, bigoted, stupid racists who voted against their own interests. In fact the leavers are rational and largely discerning about the EU as opposed to the disappointed remainers who have decided to act like the whiny-arsed spoilt children they are.

biff
June 29, 2016 3:25 am

“I am not suggesting climate was the core issue for most Brexit voters, though I suspect it played a part. It is getting harder to deny the role climate regulations play in high profile heavy industry job losses in working class areas.”
It was not an issue – end of. The Brussels monolithic un elected government was the issue.

Ex-expat Colin
June 29, 2016 3:33 am

I didn’t realise that we’d force females into our UK Govt and parliament then to have them weeping all over the place. Freaking weird I’d say.

Oatley
June 29, 2016 3:37 am

What Irony…we Yanks are now learning a lesson in “Declarations of independence”.
God Bless UKIP and the Brit non-elites for daring to stand up to tyranny!
Hip hip!

Janice Moore
Reply to  Oatley
June 29, 2016 8:17 am

… hooray! 🙂

Ex-expat Colin
June 29, 2016 3:41 am

Marine Le Penn…vid here:
Brexit ‘most important moment since Berlin Wall’:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36653390

Reply to  Ex-expat Colin
June 29, 2016 4:01 am

It does seem very much like the crowd moved from Moscow to Brussels. Different last names, same basic ideas. They are about halfway to collapse from the top if exits of the controlled states do not occur, just as with the USSR on a ca. 80 year capital wasting and dissipation and enslvement cycle.

Bruce Cobb
June 29, 2016 4:00 am

Good. May they be forever frozen. Hideously expensive, hideous to look at, requiring hideous amounts of real estate, requiring hideous amounts of backup power, bird-chopping machines. What’s not to like?

June 29, 2016 4:49 am

Out of curiousity, does anyone know what happens to Airbus from all this? The partnership between Britian, France and Germany has its origins before the EU was formed. Do those operating agreements remain in force without the enclosing structure of the EU, or does it all have to be re-negotiated?

Ex-expat Colin
Reply to  Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7
June 29, 2016 5:08 am

Here’s a piece on it, after them sending letters warning workers about OUT.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/eu-referendum-airbus-assessing-impact-11519395
If our currency and any other sweeteners are favourable I can’t see why they would move out?

Griff
Reply to  Ex-expat Colin
June 29, 2016 6:18 am

Access to single market – though this may not be an issue for them

MarkW
Reply to  Ex-expat Colin
June 29, 2016 7:09 am

You don’t have to be a member of the EU to have access to markets. Unless the EU decides to be vindictive and doesn’t care how much it hurts the remaining member states.

Steven Swinden
Reply to  Ex-expat Colin
June 29, 2016 8:46 am

‘You don’t have to be a member of the EU to have access to markets.’
As long as you accept EU rules on free movement of people.

Hoplite
Reply to  Ex-expat Colin
June 29, 2016 9:20 am

MarkW – don’t be silly. Every country or market has access rules. No country (read EU market for country) has unfettered access to its markets to all and sundry. It’s only ‘vindictive’ if you regard every country on earth as vindictive for having such rules. The EU cannot allow a country like Britain access the market on unfair terms and take form the business of internal countries in that market. If it does so then the whole market will collapse (the actual long term intention of the English who have always opposed any European integration – that’s why De Gaulle blocked the UK’s entry as he saw them as only entering it to destroy it). The 17 million who voted out don’t get to dictate the market’s collapse to the other 491 million citizens of the EU.

Reply to  Hoplite
June 29, 2016 6:24 pm

Hoplite, reading this, it seems Trump’s your man. You’ve restated his central plank. Good thing these brilliant politicians and wannabees should decide who we mere mortals can buy from and how much the skim to the state’s gonna be should we deal with their approved sellers. Great to see so much 19th century thought on display. Just gatekeeping, plain and simple. Gatekeepers collect tolls and other, ahem, rewards.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Ex-expat Colin
June 29, 2016 9:24 am

Mr. Swinden,
You make a good point. However, while the EU is trumpeting this demand with all the pomposity it can muster, now…, the terms of each contract between the UK and an EU member nation will be negotiated ad hoc.
The most likely result of this silly threat by the EU (to attempt to control the immigration policy of the UK) will be: MORE countries will join the UK and walk OUT. For, the UK will simply insist that its immigration policy is non-negotiable — yup, they would prefer to deal with the UK than to remain in the club.
So, hooray! The EU is disintegrating from within. Keep it up, Envirostalinists! You are doing GREAT!
#(:))
Janice

MarkW
Reply to  Ex-expat Colin
June 29, 2016 9:40 am

Steven,
The US trades with the EU.

MarkW
Reply to  Ex-expat Colin
June 29, 2016 9:41 am

Hoplite: Nice attempt at misdirection.
The topic is the wish by many that the EU exclude Britain from trading with the EU at all.
If you don’t consider that vindictive then there is no hope for you.

Steven Swinden
Reply to  Ex-expat Colin
June 29, 2016 11:46 am

‘The US trades with the EU.’
Under WTO rules, not as part of the single market.
As for the EU making ‘silly threats’ and ‘the UK holds all the aces’, then the UK has decided it wants to leave the club, but still wants the best aspects of membership although not those that it doesn’t like. The EU are simply saying that it cant cherry-pick. In or out.
If it doesn’t stop raining tomorrow I may write a more considered piece on the difference between the US and Europe. It will also try and explain why the EU is not about to disintegrate.

Hoplite
Reply to  Ex-expat Colin
June 29, 2016 1:00 pm

MarkW – don’t be silly again. No one, and I mean no one, has proposed or suggested that the UK be barred from trading with the EU. That’s only in your head and the Murdoch press (about as true as CAGW). EU is rejecting a special sweetheart deal for the UK. If the UK cannot accept the four principles of the market that everyone must abide by then that is a matter for themselves. Can you give me one good reason why the UK should be allowed to access the market on more favourable terms than anyone else?

seaice1
Reply to  Ex-expat Colin
June 29, 2016 4:28 pm

Hoplite and Stephen Swindon are right and MarkW and Janice are spectacularly wrong. There is difference between access to market under WTO rules, with tariffs and customs delays etc. and access to the free market the UK currently enjoys. Selling to Germany is the same as selling to the UK. It is not vindictive of the EU to require exactly the same adherence to the rules of membership from the UK as from every other member of the free market. It is common sense. Eventually they will wake up, but don’t expect it soon.

simple-touriste
Reply to  Ex-expat Colin
June 29, 2016 6:42 pm

“The EU cannot allow a country like Britain access the market on unfair terms and take form the business of internal countries in that market.”
Why not? What would happen?

Hoplite
Reply to  Ex-expat Colin
June 29, 2016 9:23 pm

Simple-touriste – the market would eventually collapse.

simple-touriste
Reply to  Ex-expat Colin
June 30, 2016 1:53 am

“the market would eventually collapse”
But why?

CheshireRed
June 29, 2016 6:26 am

The UK now holds all the aces in these negotiations. Need to bag an informal agreement then activate Article 50. As for Siemens and their wind mills…frankly I just don’t care.

Shawn Marshall
June 29, 2016 6:38 am

Germany has caused enough trouble in the world. A German dominated EU will give them a victory that two World Wars did not. It is amazing that in this day and age, the ‘science’ minded eco-freaks think a modern industrial society can function on the Wind Power of authoritarian politicians.

EricHa
June 29, 2016 7:30 am

UK ministers to approve world-leading carbon emissions target
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/28/uk-ministers-world-leading-carbon-emissions-reduction-target-climate-changecomment image
Amber Rudd, the energy secretary. Photograph: Dan Kitwood/Getty Images
Ministers will this week approve a world-leading carbon emissions reduction target for the early 2030s, the Guardian understands.
Fears had been raised by green groups and industry that the EU referendum would cause the UK government to miss a deadline on Thursday for accepting carbon targets from its statutory climate advisers.
But a Whitehall source has confirmed that the so-called fifth carbon budget – put forward by the Committee on Climate Change last November – will be agreed before the month is out, as legally required by the Climate Change Act.
The move commits the UK to a 57% cut in emissions by 2032, on 1990 levels. Although a tougher target than the EU one of a 40% emissions cut by 2030, environmentalists in January said they were disappointed that the committee had not made the target more ambitious after last December’s Paris climate deal.
The commitment should allay anxieties in the green energy sector that last week’s leave vote would water down the UK’s leadership on climate change, or that the decision to approve the budget would be left to the next prime minister.

The insanity goes on!!

AGW is not Science
Reply to  EricHa
June 29, 2016 8:04 am

THAT, not Brexit, is the stupidity going on the the UK. But at least without their EU overlords (no pun intended), the Brits can now start sacking the idiots who are pushing this needless and self-destructive nonsense.

1saveenergy
Reply to  AGW is not Science
June 29, 2016 8:14 am

Don’t hold your breath on that one.
Most MPs voted for the 2008 climate change act, so don’t expect them to lose face & admit they didn’t know what they were voting for.

simple-touriste
Reply to  AGW is not Science
June 29, 2016 7:40 pm

Yes, but mutual encouragement is a thing. It’s like flamboyant poker payers.
The Europe “never done a proper job in their lives” crowd “regulates” something they don’t understand (and probably will never understand given lack of general scientific culture, willingness to acquire one, willingness to make intellectual efforts and simply a lack of ethics) then the local “never done a proper job in their lives” crowd does a “raise” with additional regulations, etc.

TA
Reply to  EricHa
June 29, 2016 6:36 pm

“The move commits the UK to a 57% cut in emissions by 2032, on 1990 levels.”
The UK could cut their emissions by 100 percent if they went 100 percent nuclear power.
Instead, they propose to continue the insanity of trying to use windmills to solve the emissons problem.
The obvious solution is new nuclear powerplants. Windmills are a deadend, that will do much more harm than good, if development is continued, and won’t be the solution, even if it is continued.
There is a simple answer to this problem, that solves all kinds of intractable problems when compared to the alternatives. It’s right there in front of everyone’s face: Modern nuclear powerplants.

Janice Moore
Reply to  TA
June 29, 2016 6:43 pm

+1!
GO, NUCLEAR POWER!!!
(Note: I do not believe the AGW conjecture that there is a CO2 “problem”)

markopanama
June 29, 2016 8:31 am

If I was Greece, I’d be wondering why lucrative EU handouts are going to England, France and Germany, while Greece is fed a diet of austerity and unsustainable debt.
After the vote, the most googled word was “EU” so apparently a whole lot of people in a lot of countries were getting their first real education about what the EU really is.
The Western world scoffs at China and Russia, with their Central Committees, as undemocratic governments. Oh wait, the EU is run by an unelected and unaccountable central committee? The EU parliament is impotent window dressing to give the appearance of representative democracy? Former national governments are reduced to rump figureheads who cannot independently determine the fate of those they govern? Who knew? How is today’s European Union any different from the previous USSR?
Europe should be called the Union of European Socialist Republics.
Maureen la Penn is right in her analogy with the Berlin Wall. A psychological barrier has been breached and the arrow of history is pointed inexorably in a new direction.
Companies will do what they always do – adapt to the new situation. Smart UK companies will profit greatly from new opportunities. The minute the UK starts, or even threatens, to make independent trade deals with EU countries, the game is over for the UESR.
Intentionally or not, the UK has seized the position of supreme power in Europe. My wife, who happens to be Dutch, thinks that the UK should say “Fine, you don’t want us in the Union, in two weeks we will break all our ties with the EU.” No drawn out “negotiations” and endless hand wringing, and certainly no veto by the parliament (unanimous exit vote required) or the invisible central committee. In her view “Soft doctors make stinking wounds.”
It may not happen quite that quickly, but the psychological dam has broken and I expect many other countries to be speaking up as soon as they see that the UK is indeed not sinking beneath the waves.

MarkW
Reply to  markopanama
June 29, 2016 9:44 am

Nobody “fed” Greece their unsustainable debt.
They did that 100% on their own.
As to austerity, that’s what generally happens when you can’t pay your debts. Be it individuals or countries.

Steven Swinden
Reply to  MarkW
June 29, 2016 12:04 pm

MarkW – for once I agree with you. The EU economy, underpinned by the German economy meant that Greece could borrow on the international money markets at cheap rates. So Greek elections became a bidding war over the most public sector jobs at the highest pay and with the best pensions. It reached the point where the state owned railway network had a minimum salary of E55,000 per year; retirement at 55 on a pension of final salary for life. Who wouldn’t vote or that?
The reality arrived. And the bailout, primarily from Germany, meant that Greece could pay back its debts to German banks.

simple-touriste
Reply to  MarkW
June 29, 2016 7:46 pm

“Nobody “fed” Greece their unsustainable debt.
They did that 100% on their own.”
And they tried to call their debt an “odious debt”, with the “expertise” of an extreme left “expert” group.
But I don’t think they understand what it really means.

Steven Swinden
Reply to  markopanama
June 29, 2016 11:51 am

‘the EU is run by an unelected and unaccountable central committee?’
Could I suggest that you (and your wife) find out how the EU is run. The major power over any legislation is exercised by the Heads of Government of the Member States in something called the Council of Ministers. You are simply repeating a myth.

Reply to  Steven Swinden
June 29, 2016 3:04 pm

Steven, can you vote out any of the Presidents, or any of the Commissioners? If you don’t like how the EU’s transport policy is working out for you, can you, and even every voter in the entire EU, do anything to get Violeta Bulc out of her job? Oh, wait, she’s Slovenian. Can the voters in Slovenia get Violeta Bulc out of her job for you?
The answer to all those questions is no, Steven. Commissioners are appointed by governments that are foreign to you – sometimes not even from within the elected party in that country, and the unelected President gives her a post. You, and all the voters within the EU can’t do anything about it. Even an elected head of state couldn’t do anything about it.
Now, if that’s the sort of democracy you want, then you go and live in North Korea…or the EU.

Hoplite
Reply to  markopanama
June 29, 2016 9:10 pm

markopanama
‘Maureen la Penn’ – LOL ;-)). I don’t know if a supra-nationalist Frenchwoman like Marine Le Pen would like to be gaelicised like that!!

simple-touriste
Reply to  Hoplite
June 29, 2016 10:59 pm

“supra-nationalist Frenchwoman like Marine Le Pen”
“supra-nationalist” Marine Le Pen said we shouldn’t punish UK, we shouldn’t introduce trade barriers and we shouldn’t revoke Le Touquet pact, unlike many Républicains (ie French closet socialists)!
The only calm, sane voices now are from the Front National.
Sad.

Hoplite
Reply to  Hoplite
June 30, 2016 12:47 am

s-t: talk about missing the point of my post!!

simple-touriste
Reply to  Hoplite
June 30, 2016 1:23 am

Well, MY point is that there is something rotten in state of French politics.

Marcus
June 29, 2016 10:42 am

..Hmmm….When Russia starts taking back the parts of Europe it lost in WW2 and the Cold War, will Europe expect the U.K. to come save them AGAIN ?? I think the Donald would say “Not this time, you made your bed, sleep in it ! ” Liberal socialism has a huge price to be paid by the Middle Class!

Ian Macdonald
June 29, 2016 10:50 am

Well, I used to be a strong supporter of wind energy in the early days. Even did a few experiments of my own, but found that they returned next to no useful energy. I put that down to them being too small, but I now see that as the general picture. Except in a few favoured locations the capacity factor is very low. Worse, the outages can be weeks in duration, far longer than any conceivable backup strategy could cover.
It’s another of those ideas that look fine of the drawing board but don’t translate into workable engineering.
In many ways solar PV is a more sensible proposition, although it too has its limitations. The cost of PV panels has certainly come down to the point where a spot of experimentation won’t break the bank like it used to.

1saveenergy
Reply to  Ian Macdonald
June 29, 2016 2:26 pm

Meaningful Solar PV is not really viable beyond lat 40°(Madrid – Melbourne) …unless you resort to subsidy’s.
See – Solar irradiation map
http://www.dlr.de/tt/Portaldata/41/Resources/dokumente/institut/system/projects/reaccess/ssedni60.jpg
UK solar capacity factor = only 8%, Wind = 28% & Nuclear = 67%. (see pgs 143 & 191 https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/digest-of-united-kingdom-energy-statistics-dukes-2014-printed-version )

TA
Reply to  Ian Macdonald
June 29, 2016 6:41 pm

“It’s another of those ideas that look fine of the drawing board but don’t translate into workable engineering.”
I agree. Windmills are not a solution to the problem.

June 29, 2016 10:50 am

FTSE 100 has closed ABOVE pre-breixt level, at 6,360. “The pound also strengthened against the dollar and euro.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36660133
Hey, Hoplite, how’s the Punt doing? Oh, I forgot, Ireland went for the Euro.

Steven Swinden
Reply to  bazzer1959
June 29, 2016 12:17 pm

So the pound dropped from 1.30 against the Euro to 1.1950 and has now ‘strengthened’ to 1.21. So that’s alright then.

Reply to  Steven Swinden
June 29, 2016 2:55 pm

Steven, you don’t appear to be very bright. It’s in quotation marks for a very good reason…see the link…I didn’t say it.

brians356
Reply to  Steven Swinden
June 29, 2016 3:07 pm

When someone tells me “I’ll never be able to lose weight” I encourage them with “First, just stop gaining weight. That will be a critical psychological waypoint.” The Pound stopped dropping like a stone is the main thing. It will probably stutter some more, but there is a bottom to the loch, by all indications.

Hoplite
Reply to  bazzer1959
June 29, 2016 9:02 pm

As I type the pound is at 1.33946. This amounts to a drop of 12.5% on the value of the pound compared to its average value in 2015 and a 19.1% drop in its average value since 2000. The market expects the pound to drop to about 1.2 or maybe lower. It is currently stable around the 1.32-1.34 level but for how long is anyone’s guess. As you import more than you export that is a problem for your economy – get real.
It is now becoming very apparent that the leaders of the Leave campaign (other than Farage) did not want to win the referendum but to lose it honourably. Now, why is that as clearly, culturally, they are very eurosceptic? The evidence for this is Gove’s wife in her paper column described Brexit as ‘terrifying’ (clearly this view was sanctioned by Gove). Why are Gove and Johnson not talking to the media to outline their Brexit plans. Why are they now blaming the government for a lack of such a plan when the gov didn’t want such an outcome? Extraordinary times, indeed, that would be entertaining if it wasn’t so serious.

Reply to  Hoplite
June 30, 2016 4:10 am

Let’s clear some stuff up. As we all knew the pound would drop, there are no surprises, and I note with some relish that you didn’t mention the FTSE100. Ha ha. The pound will fluctuate, the FTSE100 may even fluctuate – so what, Hoplite? So what? What did you expect when a major economic country gets out of a trading system (that has become undemocratically political)? We needed to control our borders, and that’s what we’ll get – and as I have pointed out to you, that supersedes everything else…everything. We could have a pound riding as high as kite, but it would mean nothing if we continue to have a population growth of 500,000 a year! Why can’t you see that? The economy pales into insignificance against a backdrop of primary schools maxed out, 21 days to see a GP, half a day wait at A&E, and huge rises in house prices because there is no land. I’m stunned that you are so narrow-minded that you keep banging on about the pound. WHO CARES?
Your second paragraph is seriously odd, and something I have seen written in some of the newspapers and (of course!) the BBC. Why do you think it’s part of the Leave campaign to ‘have a plan’??? If we had stayed, would the Remain campaign have had a ‘plan’? No! The two campaigns were just that, it’s down to the Government to decide the future, not a Leave campaign. Our Government should have expected the outcome – if they knew what ordinary people are thinking, but they don’t. Hoplite, I can sense that you are a politcial lightweight, but let me tell you that ‘campaigns’ such as the referendum one don’t have plans, they have a single, basic idea. It is then incumbent upon the Government to carry out the peoples’ wishes, not some campaign group!
Lastly, even though I’m 100% for Brexit, it IS terrifying, in the way that a rollercoaster ride is terrifying. It’s exciting and unknown. But I’d rather have that than be shackled to an undemocratic system, run by people in a foreign land who have even less understanding of my life than our current government, and who seem bent on destroying all that my ancestors fought for, for some crazy left-leaning, fascist utopia that will ultimately collapse. Your country is still very much in the EU, and good luck, because you’re going to need it. Britain (probably England & Wales eventually) looks forward to uncertain times, but INDEPENDENT times…something your ancestors once fought us for. Then they went and gave all their independence away! We’re out, for the good, and all those who are wailing are the intellectually-crippled, the vision-less, a few money-men, and some sad freaks.

Marcus
June 29, 2016 10:54 am

…If the U.K. goes back to coal for cheap energy (like China and India), it will become the the power house of Europe, selling AFFORDABLE goods worldwide !

GTR
Reply to  Marcus
June 30, 2016 12:50 am

You need cheap workforce to produce affordable goods. Cheap land and buildings also. Alternatively – be good at robotics, where Asia and Germany do well.

June 29, 2016 11:20 am

I think that a lot of people are forgetting that Britain does not have to evoke Article 50 to leave the EU. As a sovereign nation, Britain has the right to abrogate the Lisbon Treaty.
The referendum did not ask if Her Majesty’s Government should evoke Article 50, it asked if Britain should leave the EU. Because the people are the supreme political authority, Britain left the EU on June 23. Leaving is not a future event, it has already occurred. The only thing left to negotiate is what happens in the future.
In my opinion, Britain should not attempt to negotiate with the EU. The EU bureaucrats will do everything they can to enhance their own power to the detriment of the remaining member nations.
All negotiations should be directly with the governments of the other European nations. And negotiations should be public; the peoples of Europe have the right to know their governments’ positions.

brians356
Reply to  Martin Mayer
June 29, 2016 11:53 am

Martin Mayer,
I watched the PMs long session with the MPs a couple of days ago (Monday) and he insisted that all of the UK’s financial obligations to the EU will be honored until Article 50 is invoked, and even after that, until terms are settled. If one is still paying membership dues, isn’t one still in the club?

Reply to  brians356
June 29, 2016 4:35 pm

Sorry, I didn’t mean to imply that I thought that Britain should unilaterally abrogate the treaty. That would likely cause a great deal of distrust. A smooth orderly transition is best for everyone.

brians356
Reply to  Martin Mayer
June 29, 2016 5:34 pm

Fair enough. But Merkel and her henchmen are insisting on an abrupt exit, in essence saying “You’ve made your bed, now wallow in it immediately, for our gratification, do.” They’ll make it as painful as possible, as an example for other members contemplating pushing off.

Steven Swinden
Reply to  Martin Mayer
June 29, 2016 12:13 pm

‘Because the people are the supreme political authority,’
Perhaps you need to find out more about what passes for a constitution in the UK. Parliament is sovereign. It may come as a shock to some of the US readers, but here in the UK I am not a citizen. I am a subject of the crown. And it is the Monarch’s ministers, drawn from the majority in Parliament, who advise the Monarch as to treaty obligations. Although incorporating EU law into UK law is a result of the European Communities Act 1972 – a matter of statute. So in terms of UK law, how we leave is an open question. If only we had a written constitution……..

brians356
Reply to  Steven Swinden
June 29, 2016 5:41 pm

If only you’d volunteered to be the Fourteenth State when you had the chance in 1776, rather than start a row.

Reply to  Steven Swinden
June 29, 2016 5:58 pm

I disagree. UK subjects became citizens under the British Nationality Act of 1948.
The UK (and each of the other EU member nations) is a signatory of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948). Article 21 (3) states: “The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government…” When King George VI gave his royal assent, he recognized the supremacy of the people. Thus, the concept was recognized in UK law before the EU existed.
I agree that a written constitution is desirable. However, I should point out that there is no mechanism for a national referendum in the US constitution. The American people are not able to exercise direct democracy. (Some of the states allow state-wide referendums, others do not.)

Resourceguy
June 29, 2016 12:14 pm

No wonder the German market went down more than the FTSE 100 and did not rebound as much. The French on the other hand plan to go forward with the nuclear project in southwest England.

Ian Macdonald
Reply to  Resourceguy
June 29, 2016 12:51 pm

“The French on the other hand plan to go forward with the nuclear project in southwest England.”
I certainly hope not. There are NO reactors of this design online anywhere in Europe. Some are being built elsewhere and have run into construction problems. The cost of the thing is insane.
Perhaps now we’re out of the EU we could have a wider choice available. Go for something with a proven track record.

simple-touriste
Reply to  Ian Macdonald
June 29, 2016 5:37 pm

“Some are being built elsewhere and have run into construction problems”
Also a lot of regulatory problems. The safety standards are just insane. There were so many rebars Bouygues couldn’t manage to fill the space between, and the pool concrete was highly defective, had to be destroyed and redone!!!!
Also, trying to forge a reactor (or anything) without metal defaults is patently absurd. Just because it is nukular doesn’t mean it has to be perfect, just good enough. Better than other industries is good enough. Worse, there have tried to hide the forging defaults!!!!
The old generation of reasonable regulation people is gone; the new one has a noxious no-compromise mind. The industry has been destroyed by the new generation!
Also, the radiation protection standards are diving deeper into craziness, with “acceptable” levels much too low, except for air companies of course. (!)
The French IRSN seems hell-bent on no safe level dogma, but, unlike the NAS, the French Academy of Sciences isn’t completely antiscience.

greytide
June 29, 2016 12:40 pm

According to the “social media”, all you oldies who support the exit are thick and uneducated and should not be allowed to vote (or was it “put down”). I am pleased to join you and watch the rest of the EU implode as it tries to take control of the different cultures across the members and meld them into the German image. Already OZ, NZ, Mexico and others are in the line to discuss trade deals. There are 500M potential customers in the EU and 2.3Bn in the rest of the emerging nations. Who would you head for? As Farage says, we will not be the last to leave. Have a nice day all.

Dave Ward
June 29, 2016 12:54 pm

The Eastern Daily Press in Norfolk, UK included a feature section today celebrating some of the regions top businesses. It included a piece about the East Anglia ONE offshore windfarm, which I can’t find it online, but here is an earlier story about the project:
http://www.edp24.co.uk/business/energy/work_on_east_anglia_one_offshore_wind_farm_will_start_next_year_after_2_5bn_commitment_1_4431424
The usual PR drivel gets trotted out:
“Offshore wind has proven itself as a technology that works, and the more offshore wind capacity we have in the UK, the more secure our energy supplies will be”
Siemens are slated as suppliers of the 7MW turbines – I wonder what the future holds for the three other sites now?
http://www.scottishpowerrenewables.com/pages/east_anglia_projects.asp
The project will be delivered at a price of £119/MWh, a cost reduction of 20% compared to other offshore wind farms that have been built in the UK”

Bitter&twisted
June 29, 2016 1:01 pm

Are we finally seeing the unravelling of the Great Green Scam?
Really hope so.
Bravo Brexit!

michael hart
June 29, 2016 2:55 pm

Despite this EU support, the people of Hull voted overwhelmingly for Leave in what a local councillor described as “a cry of rage”.

lol. So that’ll now be

“London 0 Hull 5”

It’s a very English joke. You don’t need to understand it to enjoy The wonderful Housemartins. (Music begins at 50 seconds):

brians356
Reply to  michael hart
June 29, 2016 5:55 pm

I was in Hull in 1986, wish I’d known about these blokes then. Nice train station has Hull. And some not bad fitba’ played there.

michael hart
Reply to  brians356
June 29, 2016 6:28 pm

The incomparable Fatboy Slim (=Norman Cook) was also one of the band members.

June 29, 2016 3:10 pm

In a good and healthy relationship you are better off being not too much depending on each other. Even, if you ultimately can let go of the other, this means you can accept the other party as is. This mutual respect and freedom may be the very glue to keep the relationship happy and stable.
When you are too much depending on each other, it is not so much a relationship, it becomes more of a bonding, if not a prison.
So a majority of Britain wanted to leave the EU. The fear mongering before, and the cramped reaction from the leadership on the continent afterwards, show perfectly how bad the relationship is, and how healthy and much needed the vote for Brexit.
You can trow all the economic and euro-political arguments on one big worthless heap. People deciding for themselves trumps everything. With this episode unfolding you can clearly differentiate between the phony and the true democrats.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Jurgen
June 29, 2016 7:03 pm

Well said, Jurgen. It has all the appearance of an unhealthy, “co-dependent,” relationship. Good for the “LEAVE” voters to get healthy!
(P.S. Thank you, so much, for taking the time to instruct me about the very odd behavior of the auto-fill (not working) in the WUWT reply comment box. I appreciated your warning that it looked “not too good.” I ended up having “The Geek Squad” (of Best Buy stores) tinker with things (have NO idea what they did except a bunch of updates were loaded). It still did not work for a couple of months, but, NOW (*!poof!* computer magic, lol), it is working fine! That you cared enough to try to help was a great gift in itself to me.)

Michael Jankowski
June 29, 2016 5:47 pm

Olympic athletes are freezing semen because of the Zika virus. And we all know the spread of the Zika virus is caused by global warming. So global warming might have caused these Siemens freezing, too.

June 30, 2016 1:15 am

Olympic athletes are freezing semen because of the Zika virus. And we all know the spread of the Zika virus is caused by global warming.