This is from his Dec. 9, 2015 address to Paris COP-21 conference. Kerry also emphasizes that even if all industrial country emissions were zeroed out, it would mean nothing for the climate.
What further proof does one need that #COP21 has no basis is science, and is nothing more than pandering to a bunch of sqalling eco-organizations and poorer countries looking for a handout. What a complete circus.
Here are Kerry’s exact words:
… The fact is that even if every American citizen biked to work, carpooled to school, used only solar panels to power their homes, if we each planted a dozen trees, if we somehow eliminated all of our domestic greenhouse gas emissions, guess what – that still wouldn’t be enough to offset the carbon pollution coming from the rest of the world.
If all the industrial nations went down to zero emissions –- remember what I just said, all the industrial emissions went down to zero emissions -– it wouldn’t be enough, not when more than 65% of the world’s carbon pollution comes from the developing world.
h/t to Steve Milloy of junkscience.com
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It’s the thought and appearances that count, regardless of the cost to taxpayers. That is the prime directive of these media and perception masters and their advocacy groupies.
Lol, Rahm Emmanuel was right… “{The Obama administration are a bunch of} #@ur momisugly%! idiots {or morons}.”
NOT there when they should be (post-Charlie Hebdo march in Paris).
THERE when it is pointless…
(except for the publicity, as you wisely point out Resource Guy, but still, cost-benefit makes the excessive magnitude of their delegation’s presence ridiculous).
Cue Auld James Taylor (that was sad — using such a fine artist in such a BIZARRELY RIDICULOUS way)
Janice: Their is another group between idiots and morons – imbeciles. Very appropriate for Paris since it is a French word.
Should have been There instead of Their, otherwise you will need to include me in one of the categories!
“Imbeciles,” indeed, Walt D. (and typos are NOT an indication of being one!! I SHOULD NO!),
(however… Rahm E. used one of the above two epithets (couldn’t remember which)).
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Just listened to a bit of the James Taylor solo. Hard to laugh and cry at the same time…. but, you can.
The Charlie Hebdo “shooting” was a drill and media circus – nothing more. All you have to see is the fake head-shot from the “terrorist” at the police officer on the sidewalk. If that had been a real round from an AK his head would have exploded with a fountain of blood and viscera. The whole thing was a hoax. Nobody died and nobody was injured.
Localherog2 take your false flag bullshit somewhere else.
Michael want a cracker? ; )
Tweedle-lherog2 and Tweedle-Johnknight — never far apart — from each other. Miles from the truth.
You either present a coherent explanation as to why you believe it is impossible that such an event could be staged, Janice, or I conclude you too are simply parroting what you’ve been indoctrinated to believe.
JohnKnight December 10, 2015 at 4:05 pm
You either present a coherent explanation as to why you believe it is impossible that such an event could be staged, Janice, or I conclude you too are simply parroting what you’ve been indoctrinated to believe.
No Janice does not have to prove anything. First have you ever been to France let alone Paris?
next this is O/T and I soon expect the Mod to make your and my comments go away. I just wanted to say you are using a cheap brand of tin foil on your head.
michael
Thanks, Michael (not a) #(:)).
@ur momisugly JnKngt (and lohog, who is, no doubt not far away… heh, heh): Sorry. You are the ones making the assertion against the settled weight of opinion on that issue. Thus, the burden of proof remains firmly on you. Your wild verbal flailings above have not yet even made a prima facie case for your argument (much less shifted the burden of proof to those you challenge).
And, as my WUWT pal, M.D., has said, this topic is so off-topic that I ought not answer you further, here. You’ll have to go to a different neck of the blog woods to fight that fight. Off you go, my crazy (was about to write “my dear,” but it just doesn’t fit) man, and HAVE FUN!
Mike the Morlock,
“No Janice does not have to prove anything.”
She does if she expects me to conclude something other than she’s parroting what she’s been indoctrinated to believe.
” First have you ever been to France let alone Paris?”
????????
I wasn’t even commenting on the alleged attack itself, I was commenting on the “knee jerk” sort of reactions I saw here. I simply have no real faith in the powers that be anymore. Staging a fake attack would not even be a crime, so what’s the big deal?
Janice,
“Thus, the burden of proof remains firmly on you”
To prove what? That I think some people are over-reacting to a potential that lies well withing the realm of possibility? Please explain lest I conclude something even more devastating ; )
localherog2,
Janice declared we’re never far apart, but I don’t recall ever seeing you before . . Have you been staking me at home? ; )
It was a poor set up, musically. They had mic problems and Taylor had real difficulties. Very amateurish set up, IMO. I cringed during the performance for more than just the politcally amateurish display.
Resource, don’t forget it’s the Trigger.
U.S. House Science Committee – July 9, 2015
CHAIRMAN LAMAR SMITH: “On the Clean Power Plan, former Obama Administration Assistant Secretary Charles McConnell said at best it will reduce global temperature by only one one-hundredth of a degree Celsius. At the same time it’s going to increase the cost of electricity. That’s going to hurt the lowest income Americans the most. How do you justify such an expensive, burdensome, onerous rule that’s really not going to do much good and isn’t this all pain and no gain.
ADMINISTRATOR GINA MCCARTHY: “No sir, I don’t agree with you. If you look at the RIA we did, the Regulatory Impact Analysis you would see it’s enormously beneficial.
CHAIRMAN SMITH: “Do you consider one one-hundredth of a degree to be enormously beneficial?”
ADMINISTRATOR MCCARTHY: “The value of this rule is not measured in that way. It is measured in showing strong domestic action which can actually trigger global action to address what’s a necessary action to protect…”
CHAIRMAN SMITH: “Do you disagree with my one one-hundredth of a degree figure? Do you disagree with the one one-hundredth of a degree?”
ADMINISTRATOR MCCARTHY: “I’m not disagreeing that this action in and of itself will not make all the difference we need to address climate action, but what I’m saying is that if we don’t take action domestically we will never get started and we’ll never…”
Read more: http://www.climatedepot.com/2015/07/15/epa-chief-admits-obama-regs-have-no-measurable-climate-impact-one-one-hundredth-of-a-degree-epa-chief-mccarthy-defends-regs-as-enormously-beneficial-symbolic-impact/#ixzz3jxPsOENF
(Mr. Smith) ~ “That’s going to hurt the lowest income Americans the most. How do you justify such an expensive, burdensome, onerous rule that’s really not going to do much good …”
…
(Ms. McCarthy) ~ ” It is measured in showing strong domestic action which can actually trigger global action…”
Do the math, so to speak . .
Ignoramus Kerry had this to say too.
“Try and picture a very thin layer of gases – a quarter-inch, half an inch, somewhere in that vicinity – that’s how thick it is. It’s in our atmosphere. It’s way up there at the edge of the atmosphere. And for millions of years – literally millions of years – we know that layer has acted like a thermal blanket for the planet – trapping the sun’s heat and warming the surface of the Earth to the ideal, life-sustaining temperature. Average temperature of the Earth has been about 57 degrees Fahrenheit, which keeps life going. Life itself on Earth exists because of the so-called greenhouse effect. But in modern times, as human beings have emitted gases into the air that come from all the things we do, that blanket has grown thicker and it traps more and more heat beneath it, raising the temperature of the planet. It’s called the greenhouse effect because it works exactly like a greenhouse in which you grow a lot of the fruit that you eat here.
This is what’s causing climate change. It’s a huge irony that the very same layer of gases that has made life possible on Earth from the beginning now makes possible the greatest threat that the planet has ever seen”
http://m.state.gov/md221704.htm
I’m surprised they haven’t tried to bury it.
Oh man, AB, lolololol — that is SO FUNNY.
They TRIED to bury it, no doubt, but Kerry wouldn’t let them:
Staff: We HAVE to ERASE this.
Kerry: Why?
S: It plays right into Steyn’s “cartoon slogan science” assertion.
K: Cartoon?
S: YES. WHAT — YOU — SAID — IS — SO — WRONG — IT — IS — LAUGHABLE.
K: Oh, I don’t know, S. I don’t find it funny at all. Leave it in.
S: !??!!!
K: Took me 3 hours to memorize that. Worked on fine-tuning my language all week. No, no S, you are not going to erase that one. That one is one for posterity. It perfectly illustrates “me.”
“because it works exactly like a greenhouse in which you grow a lot of the fruit that you eat here”
Appears to grow nuts as well.
Someone trying to explain the behavior of CO2 to this moron used the thin layer of pure CO2 that you would get if you gathered it all together into one band in the atmosphere to imagine the upwelling LWIR being captured. This is probably how Al Gore got his milllions of degrees celsius at the centre of the earth through a similar misunderstanding of what he was being told. How can these guys fake such passion for the science when they are clueless of these things?
Gary Pearse,
“How can these guys fake such passion for the science when they are clueless of these things?”
Same way they fake passion about anything else.
Fruit cakes too.
One word you never hear from these guys: ADAPTATION. That’s why I don’t believe them.
+1
Katherine
I’m more generous than Janice.
. . . I give that plus whole truck loads.
Adaptation is what has powered evolution.
It works.
Auto
Dear Auto,
You are a generous person. I write to assure Katherine that I very much liked her comment — I decided awhile back to only give +1’s (unless it is Anthony recently refusing to dignify Carruuughthers’ vile remark with a response — that was “+1,000”). Something about the anti-“popularity” streak in me (I refuse to participate in Facebook, as useful for communication as that platform is, for just that reason: it reeks (not YOU, Auto, FACEBOOK) of high school pettiness with it’s “friends” and “likes” — and people really do get depressed by it when their natural human curiosity leads them to look around and start making comparisons… .
Sometimes, I even feel bad about giving out any +1’s. There are so many great comments on WUWT that should also be “plussed” but are not… .
Maybe, I’ll have to change my grading system… .
Good for you, Auto!
Janice
P.S. Glad to see that you are safely back(I hope?) from Paris. Did you follow my long-sleeved shirt fashion advice?
#(:))
P. P. S. And! Lol, Auto — I just scrolled down to your humor about long-sleeved shirt sleeves at 3pm today — I had not read that when I wrote the above. You spoke of your trip to Paris (just days after the terrorist attack) and taking short-sleeved shirts and I advised long-sleeve to better impress the ladies (much more sophisticated and impressive (unless at the beach or something)).
And India agrees to reduce their ‘carbon pollution’ if the industrialized world gives them a mere $2.5 Trillion between now and 2030, just $166 Billion/yr. Of course, I’m pretty sure that China will want more than that.
That’s only about $140 per year per capita for India. Extend that to 3 billion people total, and you’d only need $420 billion per year. If we take that from the top 1% income earners from the rest of the world, it’s only $14,000 per year. They should’t mind, and so what if they do? A kind and benevolent world government can accomplish so much!
As a nation they are clearly not adherents to the “Snooze you lose” model. While they squandered their time on earth the rest of the world jumped on the modernity model of a classless industrial society. They are owed nothing, and are where they are because that is what they chose. Never mind that they have benefited from shared knowledge, goods, and medicines from that part of the world that developed it.
A small price to pay to reduce the temperature rise by 0.17 degrees!
John
That is C – so big hundredths of degrees – not small F-type hundredths?
Isn’t it?
Or is it bigged up and enbiggified to be 17 little itty-bitty F-type hundredths?
Or – at that level that you couldn’t tell – bare skin on atmosphere – which if either possibility were you playing guinea-pig to??
By any chance?
Auto, seriously concerned at the temperature difference between my wrist [in my shirt cuffs] and my knuckles [not between my shirt cuffs (NOR DRAGGING ON THE GROUND! Honest!)]
Auto
China emits 500% more CO2 than India so they are in totally different brackets: as useless as comparing the US with Brazil.
India is asked at COP21 not to develop cheap coal power as China, the US, the UK, Germany, Japan etc.did. If these old coal powers want this, let them pay the price difference, that is “climate justice”.
And yet my liberal sister who’s worked in the climate industry for over a decade and is attending the conference called his remarks “inspiring!”
And I threw up in my mouth a little even reading her Facebook post about it, much less typing it out. That man is in no way inspiring on any subject.
Ugh. (shudder) That was hard, pukedude (well, it was how you felt!), er I mean pkudude99. My advice: Don’t read anymore of her brainwashed junk. Sickening, indeed. So sorry that it is a sister that is that way. Hard to take. Hey! Maybe you (or she) were actually adopted!
“Inspiring!” No doubt it is — her company is probably all set to sell windmill parts or solar parts or whatever enviroprofiteer – “sustainability” junk they peddle to “the developing world” (who will pay for it with funny money, but, by the time the currently industrialized world files for bankruptcy, her company will do quite well…).
Follow —> the —> money.
She usually just posts pretty pictures of all the places she goes all over the world, so it’s usually not too bad. Even with the conference, most of the pictures have just been the sights of Paris. But that one post…. *shudder*
What’s weird is that back in the 80’s she was as big a conservative/Reagan supporter as you’ve ever seen. But then she went to a liberal university studying Political Science and the brainwashing took. :'(
Bummer. Well, she can no longer think straight, but, she has ONE wonderful thing going for her: a generous-spirited, loyal, brother. If her enviroprofiteer-earned assets were all to disappear tomorrow, she would yet be a wealthy woman.
To paraphase the great bard fro Richard III.
A horse’s ass, a horse’s ass, a kingdom for a horse’s ass.
Nay?
Or should that be neigh?
Does she yearn to live in Denmark also? It’s the Bernie appeal for utopianism.
Why did it take so long to get honesty? Is the President unable to say the same thing? Inquiring minds wish to know.
No when Kerry says “carbon polution” he is still being dishonest.
typo sorry
‘Carbon’ pollution is an oxymoron – it’s anything but a pollutant. That aside the meat of Kerry’s words – that a zero-carbon developed world would NOT impact the global issue in any meaningful way really does reveal what weapons-grade bo!!ocks the entire scam has become.
Since the libs cowtow to anyone that is offended (oh my we mustn’t offend anyone), we should need only say we’re offended at carbon being called a pollutant, and they’ll stop this nonsense, right? Um, NO. Apparently Christians, AGW skeptics, and periodic chart elements are open game.
Jews are, too, but they are now usually called: “neo-cons” or “Zionists” or “rich bankers.”
Establish the “justification” for action now. Zero in on the individuals later.
Why are we there? Because it gives progressives, envirowackos, ecoloons, and wild-eyed one worlders that warm, fuzzy feeling. That’s what it’s all about, man!
…and they get to dine on French cuisine and drink luscious French wine. Oooo la la!
Paid for by: Joe the truck driver and Maria the teacher and Zach the bike repair man, et. al., who would have loved to have kept a few hundred of their taxed-away earnings to buy a ticket to go see dad this year… .
(Yes, I realize that the national debt of the U.S. is what, ultimately, the taxpayers’ taxes are funding at the moment, but, the cash flow of their tax revenue keeps the U.S.A. a “going concern,” making the wasteful trip to Paris possible.)
well…just state the obvious
Is Kerry working up to the suggestion of volunteering a prominent climate alarmist as a blood sacrifice to Gaia as a solution?
Me thinks Kerry wants to make a run for President and sees this as carrying no baggage!
But if we sent them 100 billion dollars every year all would be perfect. I think the fat lady is warming up. There will still be a last minute face saving non-binding accord of good will and then we can all move on to thinking about the next “last best chance” to save the world at COP22 to be held on the sunny beaches of Antarctica.
Let’s see if I understand this, we are supposed to borrow a $100 Billion Dollars from China, and give the $100 Billion dollars to China so they can afford low CO2 emission power, then pay back the $100 Billion Dollars to China; then do it again each year; because some computer models that haven’t been shown to work, are predicting global warming that hasn’t happened for almost 19 years.
India has about three times the population of the United States; China has five to six times the population of the United States. Merely giving India and China money solves nothing; money is to buy food and necessities — but from whom? The United States?
This money doesn’t exist; nearly all money is already “IOU’s”.
Mark Steyn, in his book “The Undocumented Mark Steyn” writes a very funny account of an Earth Summit, with gory details of unbridled consumption.
It is called “Did the Earth move for you?”
“carbon pollution”…now part of the lexicon! good grief.
We need a world wide ban on liberal and socialist ideas ! They will be the cause of WW3…..Hey, if they can push the limits, so can I…so there !
Marcus
“We need a world wide ban on liberal and socialist ideas !” Marcus. They were the cause of WW II
If you read the whole statement it makes sense. Every country needs to reduce emissions not just the US and not just the industrialized countries.
Luke
Why? Why should “every country” hurt their people, kill innocents, and ruin the their people’s lives …. to do NOTHING that will limit any “potential” increase nor change global average temperature by 1/100 of one degree?
RACookPE1978 – By ‘every country’ they mean the
Third world Kleptocracies keep the money and the people starve/freeze .
Then you have no healthy, happy, prosperous, dark-skinned people.
Transitioning to renewables will not “hurt their people, kill innocents, and ruin their people’s lives”. California currently generates 25% of their electricity from renewables and are well on their way to reaching their goal of 33% by 2020. The last time I checked I didn’t see people’s lives being ruined nor dying as a result of this very sensible transition.
http://www.energy.ca.gov/renewables/tracking_progress/documents/renewable.pdf
If all the industrial nations went down to zero emissions –- not 25%, not 33%
Luke said: “Transitioning to renewables will not “hurt their people, kill innocents, and ruin their people’s lives”.
Luke, you couldn’t be more wrong. The deaths of millions of people around the world have already been attributed to the transition to renewables. Just last winter, over 45,000 people died in Great Britain from causes related to fuel poverty. England is hardly an undeveloped country. What do you think happens to the world’s poorest who now have to make ends meet with the higher costs imposed by your desire for renewable fuels. Does your support for ideas which make life more tenuous for billions of people make you share the responsibility for their deaths?
Re: Luke the Enviroprofiteer shill at 9:28am today:
You and your gang were told this at least twice in just the past 36 hours:
By Walt D.:
Here: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/12/08/ugly-arnold-schwarzeneggers-gas-chamber-fantasy-for-skeptics/#comment-2091518
And by me:
Here: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/12/09/germanys-impossible-and-impractical-wind-and-solar-goal/#comment-2092333
But, you’ve demonstrated repeatedly on WUWT that you are not interested in facts. Thus, this post is for those whom you would otherwise deceive.
Snake.
Luke: No one has to reduce carbon emissions. CO2 does not cause global warming. If it does, please provide me with a link to the empirical evidence that it does cause GW.
No… Not computer models or GHG Theory. I want empirical proof.
Thanks
Here you go.
https://www.skepticalscience.com/empirical-evidence-for-global-warming.htm
Luke:
If CO2 emissions cause catastrophic global worming, then catastrophic global warming would actually be taking place. It is not and so far, we can not explain why.
Empirical evidence for you, Luke, hustler for Big Sustainability:
CO2 UP. WARMING STOPPED.
AGW not only has no evidence (not one measurement) for it,
AGW is a belief IN SPITE OF the evidence,
a.k.a.,
“denial.”
empirical evidence that it does cause GW
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this link shows the opposite. for the past 450 thousand years, when CO2 levels are high, temperatures fell. When CO2 levels were low, temperatures increased. For example. Look at 150k years ago. CO2 levels were low, and temperatures shot up. Then when CO2 levels increased, temperatures declined until 10k years ago, when the cycle starts to repeat.
So the only cause-effect conclusion that can be drawn regarding CO2 is that high CO2 causes temperatures to fall and low CO2 causes temperatures to rise.
http://www.brighton73.freeserve.co.uk/gw/paleo/400000yearslarge.gif
really take a look at the graph above, because the evidence is clear. Each time CO2 is low, temperatures start to rise, and rise rapidly. Each time CO2 is high, temperatures start to fall, somewhat more gradually. But still, 450 thousand years of evidence shows conclusively that LOW CO2 causes warming and HIGH CO2 causes cooling.
the problem is that we have only 50 years worth of climate data with increasing CO2. For all we know in those 50 years we may simply be measuring weather. 450 thousand years of climate data says the 50 years we have is WRONG.
Luke:
I went to skeptical science and read the “evidence”. Can you not find fault with any of that utter dribble?
Here is a classic example of Skeptical Science.
1. “On the surface, the moon’s temperature during daytime can reach 100°C (212°F). At night, it can plunge to minus 173°C, or -279.4°F.”
2. “Yet the Earth and the moon are virtually the same distance from the sun, so why do we experience much less heat and cold than the moon? The answer is because of our atmosphere.”
2. “The laws of physics tell us that without the atmosphere, the Earth would be approximately 33°C (59.4°F) cooler than it actually is.”
Did you notice they say the moon gets to -176C because it doesn’t have an atmosphere, but if Earth didn’t have an atmosphere, it would only be 33C colder.
And that was only one gaph, there are many more crammed into that little docy. You’ve got to read more scientific papers as they get posted, not just SKS, and you too will soon pick holes in the SKS nonsence.
Luke, WHY?????
Why?
There is no point doing anything until we find out why the climate models are not working and why there has been virtually no increase in temperature over the last 18 years despite massive increases in CO2 emissions from China and India.
@Luke: The proportion of California’s electricity generation that comes from renewables is less impressive when you realise how much of its electricity California gets from other states. California’s electricity prices are amongst the highest in the USA. If you don’t see people’s lives being ruined, it’s because (a) California is a warm place and doesn’t use as much electricity per capita as colder states — if you really want to see less energy used, work for a warmer world — and (b) you haven’t been looking in the right places. I used to work in CA and former colleagues have told me “don’t even think about coming back.” Despite the proportion of renewables, according to http://www.eia.gov/state/?sid=CA California is the second highest emitter of CO2 in the USA. The amount of jet fuel burned there is a close match in energy for hydro+other renewables (not counting biomass). If you seriously wanted to tackle CO2 emissions in California, I’m not sure that electricity would be the best place to start.
Finally, a small point of logic. Empirical evidence of global warming is not empirical evidence that human-produced CO2 is its cause.
No massive increase of CO2 emissions happened in India, only in China. Don’t fall for Green spin, astrology etc. stick to today’s facts.
Exactly Luke. But what will happen is that SOME nations will reduce emissions, thereby shooting themselves in the foot economically, and others will benefit from that fact by NOT reducing emissions and thereby increasing their economic advantage. I can see it all playing out here in Canada. Our politicians are jumping over one another with their carbon pricing or carbon limiting schemes. Meanwhile, we produce a tiny 1 3/4% of the world’s CO2, so these restrictions have ZERO effect on global warming. They must be laughing their heads off in China, Russia and India. Meanwhile, the Earth’s atmospheric temperature has been flat-lining for nearly 20 years in spite of the massive CO2 increase that has occured in that time.
I can see it all playing out here in Canada.
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Not only that, our Prime Minister just gave away 5 billion dollars to the UN, and will end up spending another billion a year bringing in refugees.
At a time when he announced during his election campaign that he would stimulate the Canadian economy with infrastructure projects. Instead we are seeing a give-away of hard earned taxpayer money to people that have zero interest in Canada. Money that Canada does not have and will have to be borrowed from foreign governments.
And why will it have to borrowed from foreigners? Because the Bank of Canada is now talking negative interest rates. That’s right, not only are we giving money away, now you are going to pay “negative interest” on the money you put on deposit in the bank. Put in $100, after interest you will get back $99, $98, who knows how little depending on how long you leave it in. However, don’t even think about negative interest rate loans, it ain’t going to happen.
What will happen instead is this. Money will hemorrhage out of Canada as the Americans are planning to increase their interest rates. Who in their right mind would leave money in Canada earning negative interest when you have earn positive interest right next door. And as the money floods out of Canada the looney will crash. We will look back fondly on the good old days, when it was still worth 73 cents.
Luke, that’s not what the CALIFORNIA PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION says:
“RPS Monthly Project Status Table” September 2015
http://www.cpuc.ca.gov/NR/rdonlyres/A00F02FF-B55F-40AF-AECF-AA258DD74378/0/RPS_Project_Status_Table_2015_September.xls
The CALIFORNIA PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION states that California uses 265,000 Gigawatt-hours (GW) of electricity per year.
“How high is California’s electricity demand, and where does the power come from?”
http://www.cpuc.ca.gov/cfaqs/howhighiscaliforniaselectricitydemandandwheredoesthepowercomefrom.htm
The report you cite says that there are only 6,770 MW of renewables currently online. That’s 6.7 GW. Figure 5. The rest is pending, or estimated to come online. Read the footnotes.
Just tell China and India they’re being moved to the “developed” side of the table.
Their meltdown would be epic…
To paraphrase “We are going to fail folks but at least it won’t be our fault”.
We, the heavily in debt developed nations, are to cripple our economies and send a few hundred $ Billon per year to the growing developing countries like India and China, via borrowing the money from???… Maybe China?
While China, India, et. al. get a strong economic advantage via lots of cheap price depressed fuels and exemptions from mandated expensive “alternatives”… Oh, and $ Trillions… And a debt strangle hold on western governments and economies…
All to achieve no change of CO2 nor climate.
Anyone from “The West” who signs up for that is either a traitor, pwned by China et. al., an idiot, heavily on the take, or all of them…
My vote is on Epic Idiot.
Doing “something” is considered better than doing “nothing”, even if the end result is exactly the same and global treasure is irretrievably lost. It seems that warm fuzzy feeling are worth the entire wealth of the world and has no upper limit. We are lost until prolonged financial disaster resets our “feelings sensitivity” to one that accepts reality. We are lost in a hostile nightmare wilderness, of our own making. GK
The problem is that Kerry was making a point that the only way to solve this problem is to install a global government that can force all countries to comply, and then of course they would force rich countries to provide wealth redistribution to the 3rd world countries. It’s all covered in Agenda 21.
COP21—> Agenda 21. you think that is just a coincidence?
Tom, I hate to say it….but I agree with you
Kerry is merely acknowledging what Lombourg already stated, last month, namely that if every body adhered to their emission reduction commitments/proposals, that would reduce the forecast warming by only about 0.17degC (and that is assuming that there is such a thing as climate sensitivity to CO2).
Everything being discussed is futile since none of the policy responses achieve any meaningful reduction in global CO2 emissions. Wind and Solar do not reduce CO2 emissions since energy from Wind and Solar is not despatchable and requires 100% backup from conventional fossil fuel generation.
Carbon bonds, trading and a floor price for carbon, does not reduce CO2 emissions on a global basis, but merely transfers/relocates the place where the emissions originate from; heavy energy intensive industry is relocated from one country (usually the USA or Europe) to another country (usually China or India or BRICs). Overall there is no reduction in global CO2 emissions.
The only way CO2 emissions can be reduced on a global basis is to either for the developed world to adopt an 18th century life style akin to that presently enjoyed by the developing countries, and for the developing countries not to develop at all, OR to go nuclear such that fossil fuels is only used for air transport, and plastics etc. Cars, trains, busses would be electric running off a nuclear powered grid, ships would be nuclear powered.
Whilst there is no sound evidence that there is any measurable Climate Sensitivity to CO2, what concerns me the most is that none of the political responses remotely addresses the emission of CO2. nothing suggested achieves the goal of reducing on global basis CO2 emissions.
It is clear that a policy of targeted adaption is the better option. First, CO2 brings with it many benefits (greening the planet) and if it also brings some warming for many countries that would be very beneficial. Second, there is no global disaster, at most there may be regional problems that are best addressed by targeted adaption. Third, CO2 may not drive warming/climate change to any significant degree such that all or most of the recent warming/climate change is natural in origin such that CO2 reduction/mitigation will achieve nothing of substance and merely be a waste of money, time and effort.
It is about time that discussions centred on adaption since this works whether the warming/climate change is manmade or natural, whether it is dangerous, or not, and allows those countries which will benefit for increased CO2 and/or warming/climate change to reap the benefit of that.
The Kerry interview should be widely circulated to the politicians since it demonstrates the futility of what is going on, and what a farce COP 21 is..
The Secretary of State should be nothing, if not able to secure an effective “bargain.” Yet Kerry, through this, has basically reset the entire dynamic of the negotiations in Paris with less than 48 hours to the close of the conference … and you wonder why the U.S. standing in the world is in the toilet.
The translation to the Kerry-speak is that not only will we have to punish our economies by spending $trillions switching to “green” energy, but we will have to spend $trillions more helping developing countries do the same. And that’s in addition to the climate reparations. But hey, we’re “rich”, right? We can afford it. And besides, what could be more important than “saving the planet”?
Without knowing what the next sentence out of his mouth was, I suspect this statement was a prelude to a plea that the developing world needs to develop without fossil fuels, and needs lots and lots of “help” in development of renewables.
Yup. Obama & Co. is just the lobbyists for Big Wind, Big “Sustainability, and Sort-of-Big Solar.
(and B. Hussein is highly internally motivated: you don’t remain a member of a church where the pastor screams, “God, damn America” every other Sunday if you love America…)
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Mark (from the Midwest) and Peter (at 9:07am and 9:09am) sum it up nicely:
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Peter:
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Yuck!!! A drop of the drool from the grinning mouths of Big “Sustainability” just landed on me. Yes… those greedy giant leeches are very big… .