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Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Pope Francis, addressing members of the press while travelling on his chartered jet plane, has stated that the world is headed toward “suicide” if there is no climate agreement at the COP21 conference.
According to Reuters;
Francis, who visited Kenya, Uganda and the Central African Republic, also said the continent was “a martyr of exploitation” by wealthy countries who lust after its natural resources and try to impose Western values instead of concentrating on development.
The pope was asked if the U.N. climate summit in Paris would mark a turnaround in the fight against global warming.
“I am not sure, but I can say to you ‘now or never’,” he said. “Every year the problems are getting worse. We are at the limits. If I may use a strong word I would say that we are at the limits of suicide.“
Read more http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/30/us-climatechange-summit-pope-idUSKBN0TJ2FY20151130#L8vkviEg7TtoBrK4.99
I wish I had my own plane, though my dream is a little more modest than the Pope’s CO2 belching Alitalia jet.
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The pontiff seems to be a good man. But he should remember what happened with Galileo.
Oh, ye of little faith…and so much activism. I think Francis will be best remembered for being the last Pope.
Ojala!
But I fear not. New suckers are born every minute. Catholics are dying off in Old Europe but not in other regions.
The trouble is the Pope has enormous influence. This anti Christian rubbish he is spewing is very embarrassing and shameful.
So the pope is admitting that God doesn’t control the weather , that God is not omnipotent and in charge of everything ?? I guess he believes that Humans are more powerful than Him !!!!
Marcus,
you point out one of the many fallacies and failings of this Pope.
Marcus,
I won’t bother to try to educate you on primary and secondary causation. It sounds like it would be a waste of time.
Alba,
Try teaching primary and secondary causation to this Pope after teaching him critical thinking and history and then worry about Marcus. It is this Pope’s egregious and ignorant leadership and positions that are the topic.
97% of Popes agree
Bergoglio misses his junta. Things were so much easier to control and get done under Videla. Still, the IPCC will have to do.
Somebody better check the communal wine
It looks like the pause is still going strong in the satellite data set. The November anomaly is +0.33deg C, which is down on last months anomaly figure of 0.43 degC.
As I have been saying for the last couple of weeks, the November satellite data was showing November to be cooler than October notwithstanding the current Strong El Nino. Dr Spencer notes that the anomaly is +0.33 degC, which is down on the October anomaly of 0.43degC. According to Dr Spencer;
“
YR MO GLOBE NH SH TROPICS
2015 01 +0.28 +0.40 +0.16 +0.13
2015 02 +0.17 +0.30 +0.05 -0.06
2015 03 +0.16 +0.26 +0.07 +0.05
2015 04 +0.08 +0.18 -0.01 +0.09
2015 05 +0.28 +0.36 +0.21 +0.27
2015 06 +0.33 +0.41 +0.25 +0.46
2015 07 +0.18 +0.33 +0.03 +0.47
2015 08 +0.27 +0.25 +0.30 +0.51
2015 09 +0.25 +0.34 +0.17 +0.55
2015 10 +0.43 +0.64 +0.21 +0.53
2015 11 +0.33 +0.43 +0.23 +0.53
“
So despite this years current Strong El Nino, 2015 is not shaping up to break any records as far as the satellite data is concerned.
Of course, we cannot expect those in Paris to take note of any of this, and the additional time that the pause has provided. One thing is sure, the requirement for action is today less than it was 15 years ago, and given the pause, it is now known that Climate sensitivity, if any at all, is considerably less than the IPCC’s unvalidated model projections.
There is no need for the Pope to be unduly concerned. The globe is doing just fine.
“So despite this years current Strong El Nino, 2015 is not shaping up to break any records as far as the satellite data is concerned.”
Hold on! When the last bottle of Champagne is empty and the policy makers have boarded their fleets of jets to go home, let’s see if they can get Karl, et al busy correcting that situation.
Can anyone imagine how JP2 would have reacted to the hammer and sickle crucifix or that chain. He would have slapped them out of Morales’ hands.
Pathetic. My apologies to night club bouncers.
The Pope is dragging religion into politics using science as an excuse. He’s gone on record that Capitalism is the scourge of the earth. He crossed a line that the Catholic church has crossed before and failed. I’m sure he realizes the forces controlling the AGW meme will quickly ban religion if they ever gain control and only regard him as useful idiot to attain their goal…. a useful idiot with a large following just like the environmentalists.
The Pope is right.
If the alarmed ones cannot get their story straight and consistent, these Paris Ites are doomed.
Fooling people for power over them and for their wealth, are time honoured traditions, ditto are the reactions of the Gulled, when they find out who has tricked them.
The costs are starting to bite home in North America, well driven home in Europe and UK.
Rolling blackouts in the next cold snap have the potential to trigger a very unpleasant reaction toward fools and bandits who are destroying our infrastructure to save us from their private bogey man.
The UN must gain control of the internet, or all is lost. For them.
The infestation is now sickening the host.
Either parasites are thinned or host dies.
Buy popcorn.
And metals.
Yes, John, I hadn’t stopped to think who the Pope was referring to as “we”.
It’s that damn pronoun thing again.
The Y2K WAS DEFINITELY A SCAM!!! All the papers and experts said cars would die in the streets and airplanes would fall out of the skies. TOTAL BS! Did your car die? Did any planes fall out of the sky? No! Did you fix your car to prevent this from happening? If you paid someone to ‘fix’ your car you are an idiot that got scammed. I wrote an article about that in 1999 and had millions of hits on my web page.
Thing is, your car can’t count that high. It doesn’t care what day or time it is. Whey time you start it it starts counting. Shut it off and it stops counting. Start it again and it starts counting again… from zero. Even today with smarter cars. Ok the nav and such know what day it is but the rest? Not at all concerned. Starts counting from zero every time. I did basically nothing to my company computer as well. Did not cost me a penny, did not have a hiccup.
Oh, I see.
1) If something can be used as the basis for a scam, it cannot be valid. Parasites do not attack truth, because they do not benefit from hijacking its credibility.
2) What applies to embedded “computers” in cars, also applies to legacy software (sometimes decades old) running on mini-computers, mainframes, etc. handling accounting, inventory, SCADA, etc.
Oh, and
3) If people tried to solve a problem, and they succeeded, then the problem wasn’t there in the first place.
Thanks for clearing that up.
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Sorry, mod. The address I’m posting with these is getting subscription and notification email from Disqus. What should I do differently? Is the address itself “contains_underscore@yahoo.com” a problem?
— BillK
(sorry, I meant WordPress)
I see, BillK. When was the first time the banks hit the Y2K problem? Do you mean to tell me that a citizen of the US couldn’t walk into a bank in 1970 and get a 30-year mortgage or a 30-year annuity? I guess until the mid-90s the banks were out of business because no one taught programmers in the 60s to change the year field to 4 digits.
I sat on a water board in the 1990s. We installed a SCADA system. I live in a dry area and it takes several wells and pumps to keep the town hydrated. In 1999 we received a certified letter from the company that installed the system stating that our system was not compliant with Y2K blah blah blah. They wanted $50K to ‘make sure our citizens had water in the next millennium.’
We simply sent a certified letter back stating that at the time they installed the system, Y2K was on everybody’s lips. If there were any Y2K problems with the system, as professionals they should have been able to look out 3 or 4 years and see it coming. Therefore, if there are any problems with our system, we welcome you to come and remedy the situation free of charge. Otherwise, don’t bug us (more-or-less!). I put my head on a chopping block convincing the rest of the board to take this coarse.
They never showed up. Our citizens had water January 1, 2000.
The whole Y2K was based on the assumption we were as stupid as the Federal Government and media.
Same deal with CAGW.
Scared people are so much easier to herd.
Cars and any mechanical system using computers wasn’t the issue. The main “issue” was BANKING and how interest on debt etc was calculated. It was not a scam as such, it was just more to do with money, but it certainly was blown out of proportion.
So you believed everything the fish wraps told you about Y2K?
Since the software in cars never did any date calculations, it was impossible for them to have the Y2K problem.
Even if airplanes had the Y2K problem, the FAA would have required them to have been repaired years before Y2K.
As someone who spent months fixing code that had the Y2K problem, it was no scam.
The first evidence of the Y2K problem occurred in 1970, when financial software calculating 30 year mortgages started giving weird results. From that day forward, the financial sector started working to fix the problem. Other institutions got into the act later.
Worst. Pope. In. Modern. History.
I just had a flash of realisation that churches face eventual financial doom from the climate change fight, as the “usual” donors from the middle classes are eliminated in the race to redistribute the wealth of the west to (the proletariat of) all countries on the planet.
The elite will have to fund religion once the west’s middle class joins the second world.
Perhaps a carbon indulgence could be sold…
Dawtgtomis — I am jealous of your wit.– Eugene WR Gallun
I must say that when this climate disaster debacle is exposed, the churches who supported it will suffer from ‘collateral damage’ to their credibility.
No, religion will become completely government funded. As a branch of government it will only grow larger, its budget ever getting bigger. Pope Francis sees the growth potential. Churches will be overflowing with priests. No worshipers but as they say about all government agencies — a bureaucracy serves best that serves no one.
Eugene WR Gallun
http://www.climatedepot.com/2015/11/29/skeptical-climate-documentary-set-to-rock-un-climate-summit-film-to-have-red-carpet-premiere-in-paris/
ratuma commented : “….http://www.climatedepot.com/2015/11/29/skeptical-climate-documentary-set-to-rock-un-climate-summit-film-to-have-red-carpet-premiere-in-paris/…”
I’m looking forward to the reviews but am more interested in what the average viewer takes away from it.
On Friday November the 13th. 130 people were killed in terrorist attacks in central Paris. For 2 weeks from that point a memorial to the victims existed at La Place de la Republique. On Friday November the 27th. a national day of mourning and remembrance was held – with La Place de la Republique being a focal point. On Sunday November the 29th. the warmist thugs – the warmist Brown Shirts – trashed the memorial including throwing the votive candles at the CRS. The CRS used tear gas and arrested over 200 of them. This is the true face of warmism.
http://twitchy.com/2015/11/29/violence-erupts-in-paris-as-climate-protesters-trash-memorial-for-terror-victims-photos-cop21/
http://www.france24.com/en/20151129-climate-protesters-clash-with-police-paris-cop21
“We spoke with several angry protesters who told me they wanted to destroy society altogether, they wanted to get their message across and this is what they are trying to do now.”
– that’s what they are all about. Pure and simple. It’s got nothing to do with science or any supposed (non existent) threat to the world. It is purely about money and power by any means, even if it means destroying the world and plunging it back into a new dark age. And that’s what we must stand up against – our very survival depends on it.
Green Shirts.
Should we listen to this man? Here is what you need to know to make the call: he does go to hospital and not to church if he feels unwell, after all – why is that? If I was friends with a guy who can re-grow missing limbs and raise the dead, I wouldn’t even pay for health insurance… just saying’. Also, I wouldn’t pay carbon-TAX.
“Suicide…”
1. I am a Catholic of Polish. The Pope is a man. Man is fallible …
2. Francis of Assisi … Difficult of his views not considered to be altruistic, but … also leftist …
3. The current (and future) increase in GHG’s emissions correspond to the developing countries. For the economy of these countries, reducing emissions (without huge subsidies from the “rich” countries) are true and real “suicide” …
4. Professor M. Salby: “Man-made CO2 emissions increased a whopping 350% faster since 2002, yet the rate of CO2 increase in the atmosphere remained steady at ~2.1 ppm/yr.” We restrict, the huge cost, the emissions (definitely hinders development of the world economy – subsidized eco-business did not “accelerate” the economy – this is nonsense) – are you sure we will reduce “the rate of CO2 Increase in the atmosphere”?
5. The only real way to quickly reduce emissions is geo-sequestration of CO2. Can we afford such a huge “ecological hazard”, if the effects are so uncertain?
6. In 2012, the IPCC published a report (Managing the Risks of Extreme Events and Disasters to Advance Climate Change Adaptation) in which de facto does not have CAGW – catastrophic AGW version …
Doubts are huge, even for the sign of change: eg. storms, hurricane – dr. T. Knutson, NOAA: “Both the increased warming of the upper troposphere relative to the surface and the increased vertical wind shear are detrimental factors for hurricane development and intensification, while warmer SSTs favor development and intensitification. To explore which effect of these effects might “win out” …”
CAGW is a margin – the scientific “outdoor museum” even for eco-climatologists scientists (not to be confused with “green” activists) proponents of AGW theory …
But who (about it) will tell the Pope – to “dictate” in the media of the latter (“green” activists)?
Since ISIS have just put a price on the Pope’s head, he may soon realise that there are more pressing problems in the world.
No, no! The Pope is not fighting against the Jihadis; he is fighting for the Climate Cong.
How a propos, especially in Paris. “Je Suit Charlie” indeed!
Interesting to note the use of the phrase ‘impose western values’. Unlike of course the Cathloic Church imposing their views, on many subjects to the population of Africa. Not least the assertion that ”(the) use of Condoms…even aggrevates the problem (spread of Aids)”
Eric Worrall writes:
I wish I had my own plane, though my dream is a little more modest than the Pope’s CO2 belching Alitalia jet.
From that can we take it that despite the reference to ‘Alitalia jet’ Eric Worrall believes that the Pope owns a plane? (Or even the Vatican?) If so, perhaps he might like to check his facts before bursting into ‘print’.
Here are the facts:
The pope doesn’t own a plane. The term “Shepherd One” suggests that the pope actually owns a plane, which he doesn’t. Even the term “papal plane” is something of a myth, since the pontiff does not have his own personal aircraft.
The Vatican always charters a plane for the three or four foreign trips a pope usually makes every year, often using a different aircraft for each leg of the journey. These are regular commercial planes that were in use making the Rome to London run, or something like it, the day before the trip and will be again once it’s over.
http://www.cruxnow.com/church/2015/09/18/fun-facts-and-more-about-life-aboard-the-papal-plane/
The truth is so much less exciting than fiction, isn’t it.
Eric Worrall’s comment about owning a plane is just another piece of evidence I suppose that people who criticise others (such as climate alarmists) for their failure to use evidence are not necessarily immune to the problem themselves.
But, hey, when it comes to the Catholic Church who needs evidence to support their criticisms?
Like this one from Steve McDonald:
The Vatican is the capitalist headquarters of the planet.
But Marcus says: He must be trying for the U.N. ” Socialist of Year ” award !! And RD assures us that, “This particular Pope is a typical South American radical and socialist. And Robert of Ottawa concurs: No, this Pope is a lefty. And markl has complete confidence that “The Pope has……. gone on record that Capitalism is the scourge of the earth.” (But shame there were no quotes.)
Or this one from ferdperple
So true. The Vatican has trillions of tax free dollars socked away
Perhaps the wealthiest parasitic organization on earth. Criminally extorting billions each year from the poorest of the poor, lest they burn in hell.
Or noaaprogrammer
The Vatican is a city state, so he should have been there. If the true goal of COP21 is redistribution of wealth among nations, the Vatican could float us all!
Then, without giving any details, M Simon alleges: The Church has had a very long history of agitating against Jews. Now almost forgotten since it is an inconvenient truth.
But Mark from the Midwewest is so well-informed that he can tell us things that nobody else knows like: complicity in the extermination of Jews and Gypsies 1939-1944 …
I suppose that would explain why the Chief Rabbi of Rome converted to Catholicism after the Second World War.
And Mark W has read EVERYTHING that the Pope has ever said. (Wow!) Every time he opens his mouth, this pope proves he’s an idiot.
And then there’s this bit of sublime wisdom from localherog2: A man in a dress who leads the church of pedophilia. Sure, I’ll listen to him.
Okay, I give up. What’s the point. People aren’t interested in evidence. Prejudice rules the day.
The Religion of Global Warming/Climate Change has is own apocalypse – Obamageddon.
+1
I don’t think Jorge Bergoglio’s comment is compatible with faith in Jesus Christ. The Catholic Church makes the mystery of the Mass the central tenant of belief. Like Baptism, Its a sacrament of faith in new life. Faith in Life Everlasting through the death and resurrection of Christ. I believe Catholics teach you are committing suicide (slow motion) if you do not believe in Jesus Christ. Essentially everlasting suicide.
The modeled global warming in the future is not a fact. It is a prophecy. No one knows the future. Mask it in high probabilities, call it by another name, it is still merely a prediction, aka, a prophecy. It is not a prophecy coming from the God of Israel, so, to the church, it has no authority. Roman Catholics are subject to one prophetic authority – the church. The church has a very long theological history of rejecting prophecy. From a practical point of view this is necessary, because you can’t argue with prophetic authority. No null hypothesis – no way to test prophecy except wait to see if it comes to pass. So the church rejects all other prophetic authority to preserve its own.
Bergoglio is doing obeisance to another prophetic authority. For the Catholic, the Martyr is the polar opposite of the suicide. Both die willingly, but the suicide is an exercise of the will contrary to the will of God, where the Martyr surrenders his will, as Jesus did when He said: ” If it be possible, let this cup pass from me, nevertheless, not my will but your will be done.” Bergoglio is teaching we preserve life, not by following Christ, but by obeying this new prophetic authority.
The old gnostic heresies are entirely consistent with the notion that Science can unlock secret knowledge (gnosis) so men through knowledge can escape their own destruction. Catholics hold that the Resurrection is a fact apprehended through belief. A fact that assures the believer in Jesus Christ he will never die. For a pope to assert mankind will be committing collective suicide if it doesn’t obey the prophetic voice of Science is novel, to say the least. Let’s just say Jorge Bergoglio is out on a limb, especially for a pope.
“Pope Francis: (97% of the) World headed toward “suicide” if no climate agreement”
I knew the proponents have been suffering climate depression with the pause, but gee I hope they don’t go that far!! Nobody could be that Waco.
What exactly is the problem with 97% “suicide? Aren’t we humans a “cancer”? Aren’t our cities “tumours”? Isn’t it right and just that we should be reduced to a relict population of root-grubbing troglodytes to pay for our unspeakable crimes of ecocide?
Make up what passes for your minds, green Fascists.