Guest essay by Eric Worrall
As the upcoming Paris COP21 climate conference hurtles towards an inevitable train wreck of green disappointments, climate activists are already starting to prepare the faithful, for the bitter upsets they are likely to suffer over the next few weeks.
According to Australian SBS;
There’s no question that we must hold our political leaders to account in Paris and push in every way possible for a strong global agreement, which includes Australia carrying its fair weight in emissions reduction and climate finance.
But, instead of expecting these talks to deliver final solutions to the climate crisis, we should also pay close attention to the many forms of action occurring all over the world, particularly on the streets where the largest ever People’s Climate March will take place in cities from Melbourne to Montreal, from Brisbane to Barcelona.
What occurs inside the negotiating rooms of the Paris climate conference is obviously crucial, but the real barometer of global momentum is taking place elsewhere.
All over the world we are hearing from people who have found themselves impacted by climate change and are increasingly frustrated by governments pressing on in a ‘business as usual’ mode, ignoring accumulated and compelling climate science and blithely approving new coal mines and thwarting the transition to clean energy.
Given the dramatic Asian race for coal, driven by billions of poor people demanding a better life, it seems very likely that Australian coal production, and coal production elsewhere, will rise dramatically in the near future. Greens are in for a lot more disappointments, if they expect politicians to stand in the path of this coming deluge of new resource tax revenue.
Most probably don’t want a deal to happen and would be happy with just keeping the money and media attention flowing.
Good point, think Al Sharpton
The DEA is pretty good at this sort of thing as well.
Whenever I play Might and Magic (III) with my friends, I always play “Al the Sharp”.
I wonder if Warmists are embarrassed when a guy like him does this stuff
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/01/04/al-sharpton-in-lab-coat-behind-bubbling-test-tubes-lectures-on-right-wing-meltdown-over-global-warming/
And more free trips at the expense of tax payers.
The poor nations sure do want the deal to happen. They don’t understand the fable about killing the goose that lays the golden egg.
All sane people want these talks to fail. Success would be satanic.
I noted in the body of the quote of the Aussie Greens”the final solution.”
Hmm… vaguely familiar…
It’s hardly surprising. 18 years without warming according to the satellites, corroborated by growing Antarctic ice, global sea ice is back to normal and even greenland surface ice has grown since 1990. There really is no physical evidence supporting the warming hypothesis. The theory is busted.
What we see is a bunch of people with their snouts in the trough: NASA cooling the past, NOAA breaking the law by refusing to comply with constitutionally required oversight. Who can forget Climategate and “Hide the decline”, “getting rid of the medieval warm period”.
And out in the real world, what is actually happening? CO2 is rising, but CO2 the plant food is a massive benefit to humanity, leading to record harvests this year and the deserts are greening.
So, isn’t that great! By burning fossil fuels we are helping to feed the world’s poor – not through some daft bung of money to some UN scheme where all the money gets syphoned off by the rich and powerful and almost none reaches the poor – but CO2 is directly improving the lives of those poor farmers who need it most.
I think you’ve nailed it there. If satellites show us there’s no warming then whatever is happening cannot be the consequence of ‘global warming’, yet even being generous towards the stupid theory we look and see almost nothing unusual is happening to the global weather & climate system. Rising CO2. No warming. Nothing of consequence outside standard weather & climate parameters. Checkmate for alarmists.
To be fair though, we can’t show what part human emissions are playing in the increase in CO2. It’s one of those ‘settled science’ things.
The argument by the IPCC is that they can tell by the isotope ratios. Fossil fuels allegedly have less isotope ratio since they have been buried for so long.
However, the accounting for the amount of co2 in the atmosphere, the amount that is sinking, the amount that is produced doesn’t match. Historically, the amount that was sinking was about half. How they calculate the amount produced could be by seeing how much the rate goes up ppm per year doubling that and working backwards. The more correct way is to estimate the amount of co2 by taking the amount of fossil fuel mined. But then different plants have different efficiencies. Burning of forests and other agricultural fuels, don’t count in the calculations. The current sinking is currently 150% of all the co2 produced in 1965. That raises some interesting questions and problems for the IPCC mime.
I don’t think they know.
All what you say is true but you would not think so if you read the Melbourne Age and dozens of newspapers like it around the world
They just go on ignoring the mounting evidence and keep repeating those stories of how CAGW is resulting in increased storms cyclones etc when even the IPCC 5th report says it has low confidence in such outcomes
Pray for GORE-SNOW
Come on now…. All expense paid trip to Paris?
Anything beyond that is simply gravy!
The sea ice and sheet ice is expanding not shrinking, polar bear population is the highest in decades, the weather (30 years = climate) is less extreme not more, the sea level rise is not accelerating, the GCM’s are repeat failures, the CAGW hypothesis is coming unraveled, COP21 has all the makings of yet another embarrassing fiasco, IPCC AR6 will mimic SNL’s Rosanna Rosanna Dana, “Well, neeeveeer mind!!”
Gilda Radner played the character of Emily Litella.
Canadian !!
Well Nevermind!
Even the Eiffel mocks them:-
Par is climat 2015
It was Emily Litella (Roseanne Roseannadanna was another character created by Gilda Radner). You got everything else right though 🙂
‘All over the world we are hearing from people who have found themselves impacted by climate change’
Simply not possible. People can be affected by weather; they cannot be affected by climate.
Perhaps that is a little bit of an over statement. When this inter glacial ends, and the planet returns to the deep throws of the ice age in which it is in, people living in mid to high Northern latitudes will be severely impacted by climate change.
What people do not understand is what is an ice age, and what it is truly like. Every building that he been built in Canada, north of the Midlands in the UK, north of mid Germany etc will cease to exist having been bulldozered by about a mile of thick ice.
You can bet you bottom dollar that when this happens, there will be many climate refuges as those people head to warmer climes to the south.
Can I apply for climate refugees status? Every year about this time I have a longing for Sun Valley, AZ. An all expense paid stay via the UN would be nice. That is the definition of climate refugee isn’t it? I can’t live here without heat, I’ll freeze to death, literally. Don’t they care? Please help! ( I’m not picky. Hawaii, almost any Caribbean island, Tahiti, Marco Island… any of those places will do. ) give and take, we can help those from excess heat and they can help us from cold. I think a tax on those that live in such comfort without a thought of how they are going to survive the cold is in order.
I’m sure that there must be other people who feel the same way. Maybe we could form a lobbying group to bring this vital matter before government. It is extremely urgent, yesterday we had another rare and exciting snow storm. Oh the horror! On tv they were showing cars and trucks off the road! And worse, snowplows! Night time temperatures are already below freezing.
Here in the South, we are preparing to build a 30 foot wall topped with concertina wire for just this expectation. We will vet each prospective entrant fleeing the advancing ice. One simple question: do or did you believe human emissions of CO2 from burning fossil fuels would cause Thermaggedon, and did you vote for or support candidates who do or did?
Those who answer “no” will be granted admittance. Those who answered “yes” will be turned back, rejected, but given some nice parting gifts, including ice picks, ice axes, and a warm sleeping bag, all useful as they return to blue states to face frozen global warming advancing upon them.
Carbonicus: Gives a whole new meaning to “blue” state.
I consider that a reification fallacy. Climate is a concept; it is not concrete. Climate is the general weather experienced by an area or region over a period of time, say 30 years. It is the weather that affects people.
On this very site I recently learned of a frightening prediction from the other camp, that a synchronization (more correctly an exact out of phase relation) of solar magnetic fields is very likely to occur in or around 2030 (solar cycles 25-26, see “PREDICTION OF SOLAR ACTIVITY FROM SOLAR BACKGROUND MAGNETIC FIELD VARIATIONS IN CYCLES 21–23”, Th e Astrophysical Journal, 795:46 (8pp), 2014 November 1). The cycle is predicted to reproduce conditions last experienced during the Maunder Minimum (Little Ice Age) of the 1600’s.
Were this to occur, the impact on global food production and energy demand would be devastating, resulting in the death of very large numbers of humans, cattle, horses, dogs and cats, and would likely end civilization as we know it. That’s about 15 years from now. Message to Greenies; you made the wrong bet. The sad part? The sun is a relatively simple machine that’s much easier to model than the Earth’s climate.
So for the folks sweating bullets over the prospect of Manhattan disappearing beneath the sea by 2100, there’s a new kid in town… Tinkin’ ’bout goin’ on a vacation dis yeeah? Why not come to Uganda? (Idi Amin).
Today it’s 52 degrees F in Atascadero CA. Last night my tomatoes froze. That’s it. I’m moving to Costa Rica. Or not.
Interesting that in the UK news this morning, they’re saying that it’s better to now ‘adapt’ to ongoing coastal erosion than to ‘build’ and ‘rebuild’ costly sea defences. Shame that the same ‘adaptation’ cannot be considered by green zealots for the minuscule rise in global temperature.
I find it hugely funny & sad at one & the same time, that the meedja et al & greeny groups morn the loss of unprotected parts of the coastline, yet never marvel at the wonderful engineering structures that keep other parts safe & protected, provided adequate maintenance is undertaken!
This topic was covered here a year or so back. A simple technique was presented to increase sand capture and eliminate land loss. Rather than building walls parallel to the water’s edge, they showed the effect of building walls perpendicular to the water. It was very cost effective, and worked better than traditional methods.
Jeff in Calgary
November 12, 2015 at 8:22 am
Groynes have been in use for at least 300 years and are a ‘traditional method’.
http://www.mybrightonandhove.org.uk/page_id__5770_path__0p214p215p.aspx
Some images:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groyne
Jeff
See Billy L’s post.
Took the words out of my mouth.
Auto
Holland or Venice anyone?
Regards
Climate Heretic
It’s 60 degrees F. today on November 12 in Connecticut. I for one am delighted!
I’ve only got 52 in Middletown…..
It’s just a pleasant 79 degrees Fahrenheit. Down under of course
Regards
Climate Heretic
Perhaps we can arrange for the jobless British steel workers to attend so they can show how green taxes killed off their jobs.
The tears will be copious. According to Climatetracker.com Only a handful of micro-states led by mighty Bhutan have filed CO2 reduction plans “in compliance with the [bogus] science”.
Role Model (Above and beyond)
Bhutan
Sufficient (Fully consistent with below 2°C limit.)
Costa Rica
Ethiopia
Morocco
The “Medium” category (“Insufficient to meet the 2 degree warming limit)” is populated by China (with an emissions growth of up to 50% higher than 2015 emissions!); the USA; India (70% growth projected by 2030)…
The largest list is the “Inadequate” category… (tears!) … In Asia alone this year power companies are building more than 500 coal-fired plants, with at least a thousand more on planning boards.
Make no mistake, the real message coming out of Paris is a devastating blow to the AGW Nexus: The vast majority of the world rejects AGW Hysteria… building 1,500 coal-fired generating plants in Asia during the next few years is the most unkindest rebuke possible… far more cutting than an army of skeptical denialists arguing with loopy Greenies and professional opportunists posing as Climate Scientists.
. . .Bhutan ???? David Suzuki’s Tropical gold mine where people still live in mud huts ? THAT Bhutan ??
The same Bhutan that happens to have its own ministry of “happiness”.
http://www.gnhc.gov.bt/bhutan-prime-minister-fellowship/
No comment.
It’s next to Sikkim and Nepal so not very tropical. I went to university with the Crown Prince of Sikkim otherwise I’d probably know as much as you about the place.
There is no way 100 countries will commit to the 450 ppm CO2 limit (the real number that the 2.0C limit is based on). We are well on-track to blow right by that number.
But 100 countries can easily pretend they are doing their part. Last minute 2:00 in the morning agreements can be heralded as a great accomplishment.
There is already enough country commitments to make up a pretend agreement.
Once again, the great sticking point will be the $100 billion per year slush fund of graft and commissions. So far, countries have only paid about $200 million total in actual cash into the Green Climate Fund which is where the $100 billion per year will be held. Long way to go for the cash siphoning that many want.
“The cheque is in the mail” No, really…
Why is it 450ppm?
Isn’t pre-industrial levels about 260 to 270ppm which would suggest that 520 to 540ppm is one doubling, and of course, if Climate Sensitivity is less than 2 degC, then the world can exceed the 520 to 540ppm level before breaching the claimed catastrophic 2 degC of warming.
What would appear clear is that given the logarithmic nature of CO2 forcing and given that temperatures have said to have risen by about 0.8degC, and leaving aside what component of that is natural and not CO2 driven and/or simply an artefact of poor measurement and homogenisation, and given that CO2 has already risen from about 270ppm to over 400ppm, which is one half of a doubling, Climate Sensitivity cannot be at the high end, ie., it cannot be circa 4.5degC.
It is clear that Climate Sensitivity (if any at all) must be no more than about 2 degree C. This means that should man carry on emitting CO2 unabated such that CO2 continues to rise by just less than 2ppm per year, by the end of this century we will still be at no more than one full doubling over pre-industrial times, and the likely rise in temperature (given the logarithmic affect of CO2) will be no more than a further 0.8degC.
So in any event, it is difficult to see how we shall see a rise of more than about 1.6 deg C (ie., the 0.8degC already happened consequent upon half a doubling of CO2 from say 270ppm to 401 ppm plus the further 0.8degC yet to come consequent upon the other half doubling between now and the end of the century).
The ‘pause’ has shown that Climate Sensitivity (if any at all) must be less than 2 degC. Given that in the last 36 years, temperatures have risen by only about 0.09 to 0.1degC per decade (and not linearly at that), we do not have to do anything at all to avert the alleged scary scenario of a 2degC rise. Such a rise would require a rise of 1.2degC between now and the end of the century, and due to the logarithmic affect of CO2 such a rise is simply not going to happen.
The attendees at Paris have nothing really to discuss. They can simply have a good time because mother nature has shown that even without a binding deal being struck, the alleged scary scenario just will not happen.
As they pass the caviar around, I can hear them saying: Anyone for champers?
“In Asia alone this year power companies are building more than 500 coal-fired plants”
Let’s bear in mind that some of these, especially in China, are upgrades to existing dirty power plants.
Just like most coal fired power plants in the US and Canada, some of the cleanest on the planet since the “Acid Rain” scare of the 70’s. Those evil clouds coming out of the stacks are water vapor. The twists and turns in the MSM are disgusting.
The critical number to remember is how much CO2 emissions are slated to grow in China by 2030 . Paul Homewood has conducted a detailed analysis of the Chinese CO2 Climate Plan (and a dozen other heavy hitters such as India) The analysis seems pretty credible, indicating a 50% rise over current CO2 emissions.
Here’s the Chinese one:
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015/10/27/chinas-climate-plan/
“All over the world we are hearing from people who have found themselves impacted by climate change and are increasingly frustrated by governments pressing on in a ‘business as usual’ mode, ignoring accumulated and compelling climate science … ”
There had been no warming for over 18 years and the atmosphere by satellite measurements has not warmed in 27 years, 1988. So, it is patently impossible for all these people to be impacted by global warming. They may find ways to perceive it that way, but they are de facto wrong. When it is not warming, you cannot be impacted by warming. Thus, they are all either mislead badly or delusional.
There is absolutely NO compelling science to support manmade global warming. There is not one shred of defensible data or science they can point to. They have the dishonest hockey stick graph, produced by finagling the data and disappearing the Little Ice Age and medieval Warm Period, and the dishonest historical CO2 graph, which blends ice core data with volcano data. Their “science” requires that the upper tropical troposphere, the hotspot, must be warming faster than the surface. Thousands of measurements have failed to find the reputed hotspot and, in fact, satellite data has shown that this region of the atmosphere has been cooling gently for 30 years. Completely failed warmist “science,” completely, dead, moribund, and smelling badly.
Higley7..”There had been no warming for over 18 years and the atmosphere by satellite measurements has not warmed in 27 years, 1988. So, it is patently impossible for all these people to be impacted by global warming.”
. . I think the damage..errr.. I mean impact is Psychological…..
“All over the world we are hearing from people who have found themselves impacted by climate change”
That sounds suspiciously like starting up a website, getting one visitor from each continent and claiming a “worldwide audience”.
And anyone under 25 has seen no global warming to mention. Another 5 years and probably half the world population will have to rely on a 30 year ago vague idea.
Yeah, isn’t a placebo about 30% as effective as the real thing? believing is seeing.
I saw a report of a new study that reported that placebos are getting stronger, which in turn is make new medicines look weaker. Perhaps it might be that people are more gullible than in generations past; that would explain how the sheeple blindly follow what the warmist say.
What they have been impacted by is governments wasting money on AGW schemes. Further impacted by job losses due to AGW driven green agendas by many utility companies and laws enacted to stop the non existent AGW.
The economic fall-out could be a big issue. Large companies do long range planning for suitable locations.
Better to seek locations where they won’t be harassed by eco-nut mobs. Corporate headquarters can be moved as well.
Barbara writes: “Better to seek locations where they won’t be harassed by eco-nut mobs.”
Been there, done that. Do you have any idea how cold it gets in Wyoming? The first time my hand froze to my tractor at -25F in late November (2005) I decided to vacate the premises. Sold the ranch, sold the damned tractor and moved to California, home of the eco-nut mobs you mention.
The problem is these fools have occupied all the good land and they’re just too stupid to figure out that “warm” is the reason they’re here. Morons.
Also for Barbara and the other folks who bear no goodwill for the eco-nut mobs that occupy condos in CA and most of the NE coast: Wolves are NOT cute cuddly creatures suitable for dancing with. They will eat your livestock, your pets and your children. They will eat you alive and they will leave most of you for the crows. You want to save the wolves, we’ll be happy to ship them to you.
And people know this now. 251 MILLION views and counting for WUWT have had a farther reaching impact than we are aware. The man in the street has basic math and common sense; the warmists have only models and an agenda. The minute the political worm turns, expect a TORRENT of media articles trotting out the science that debunked this, because the media roll with the tide.
Hopefully the public will demand a reconsideration of fighting climate change-
This would make a fitting theme song :
https://youtu.be/oOdMc3RVPq0
Science is nice and all that, but if you really want to wake up the simple man let him know how much this is costing him. Better yet, propose taking it away from his retirement account or his kids education fund.
Make his wife unhappy and then you’ll see some poo poo hit the fan.
Sorry Goldrider but we are stuck into this with no end in sight. It will get worse before it gets better. If we happen to have some additional (natural) warming for say 30 more years, we will probably not see the end of this current Marxism fad that is sweeping the globe. People around the world are voting in these socialist governments so it is my opinion is that it will not go away in our lifetimes. Sad and unfortunate.
“Omelette du Fromage!”
…….Omelette du Poo Poo !!!
Omelette AU fromage.
“Omelette AU fromage”.
Omelette gold fromage?
Omelette Australia fromage?
Omelette Astronomical Unit fromage?
Yes, but I think Ashe was making a Steve Martin reference.
Yes, bi-felinted Mark, all of those….and more!
He’s duo-felinous, as my wife and I are tri-caninic.
Dawtgtomis writes: “He’s duo-felinous, as my wife and I are tri-caninic.”
I believe that would be deux-felinous in French? trois-caninic? Myself, I am duex-caninic but they’re each over 100 lbs (one weighs in at about 140, we call him the house horse, a “deux-chevaux”, he counts as two dogs by himself, five if you fancy Corgies.
An omelette du fromage would be entirely made out of cheese.
I’ll have that and hash browns. (“Oh, all right… put it in a bucket with the eggs on top! and don’t skimp on the hash browns!” -Mr. Creosote)
An omelette du fromage over hash browns would then be what the Swiss gently refer to as Rösti! Great stuff!
“on ne peut pas faire d’omelette sans casser des oeufs”
And the Politicians are going to have to walk on egg shells not to get ripped to pieces by the Green Blob’s dogs of war. The greens are a rowdy lot.
Given the weak state of the world economy I don’t think many nations will be willing to compromise on strong CO2 reductions. I would be surprised if the meeting is deemed a success by alarmists.
Thankfuly its the last chance, so we can finaly relax and get on with our lives after this summit.
This zombie will never completely die. Any time something becomes about control, there will be a certain class of people who will flock to it in a chance to be the ones to finally tame humanity to the lash. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance!
“This zombie will never completely die.”
If you give a zombie a transfusion, it becomes a vampire.
Or is that a zompire?
Where is Sheldon when you need him!
I rather suspect the “last chance”..is like ohbummers “redline”
they just keep redrawing it over n over n over again..
sheesh.
give up, shut up and go AWAY!
Parisites indeed.
Well, the last chance until, you know, the next one…
Greg, I predict there will be a brief hiatus in Green activity, after which we will all be chased into the pen by the alarms of the impending ice age, which we also can’t do anything about but will be a rallying cry for global action. Real estate in the Congo, the Amazon and most of SE Asia (including the S. Pacific and Indonesia) will go through the roof. Hong Kong (maybe Singapore) will become the new capital of Earth.
I don’t know about anyone else, But, I’m bracing for “success” at Paris.
“Success” would be the greatest failure. Requiring a world-wide failure of intelligence.
Yes, but then if I said it that way, I wouldn’t be able to put “climate activists” and “failure” in the same sentence… 🙂
Hopefully one day climate activists and their successful failure will be consigned to the dustbin of history.
Along with the Third Reich, Mao, Stalin, Pol Pol and all the other grand bureaucratically engineered schemes and power-grabs throughout history.
What is notable is just how wonderfully successful these failures were in their days of glory.
Catastrophically successful for those on the receiving end.
One thing that we can always be sure of – is that each successive scheme aimed at concentrating power in the hands of a tiny group of demagogues, will present itself in an entirely surprising and unlikely form.
With new language, new goals and new justifications.
That way, it can often fool the instigators just as successfully as it fools the rabble who support it.
So let us always resist tyranny – however cleverly it disguises itself.
And one more minor point – can we please have science back in the hands of scientists.
Frog, would you ever have thought as a kid that this could be the future? A planned silent global coup by bureaucrats, lobbied into key positions by formerly beneficial ecology-fronted organizations now run by Marxists.
Hey all you Eco-Terrorists, you ain’t seen nothing yet . Wait till the liberals get kicked out of the White House, then it will be Dig Baby Dig and Drill Baby Drill ! Zoom Zoom………………….
I’m worrying about that. Soon Republicans will start to see the possibilities of tax revenues from it. It could be already too big to fail!
That’s why we need Conservatives that are not career politicians….AKA…Ben Carson or Ted Cruz …….
I’ve been pushing for raising the minimum age of all political offices to at least 50 combined with a lifetime cap of 20 years for any person in political office.
@MarkW
Not a bad idea. You shouldn’t have your hand on the tiller until you’ve been up and down the river a few times. It seems to me that 75 years or so ago, twenty-somethings were more likely to have been out and about, doing constructive things in the world. Now, thirty-somethings are, with disturbing frequency, likely to have not left Mom and Dad’s basement.
At the time the Constitution was written, most people were married by the time they were 15 and dead before they were 40.
Can’t happen until the EPA and the rest of the bureaucracy is also cleaned out. Thanks to civil service protections, it’s hard to impossible to fire them.
The EPA should be eliminated altogether. It has shown it has too much power and it has shown a willingness to abuse its power. It is too dangerous an agency to keep around in a democracy.
We did need the EPA back in the early 1970’s. I remember the air and the water pollution back then was bad. But that was mostly cleaned up over thirty years ago. In place of the EPA we could have just a small staff of perhaps a dozen or so specialists attached to the Department of Justic or the Interior Department just in case of an emergency like a major oil spill. For the rest of the agency, just zero it out and be done with the craziness.
Even if we get a conservative President, it too risky to keep the EPA around.
Marcus,
We in the UK have experience of decent non-leftists, but they were simply not electable in that milieu.
I’m not overly familiar with 16’s Republican front runners (a Bush or two, of course, a Latino, a saw-bones [I think – or a Doctor of Divinity], several rightist pollies) – but I did notice the Duck.
In what universe is that hairdo, and those views, electable?
Look, I have some sympathy for the frustration the Duck feels – we had a decade of Mister Tony B, who had power, had a mandate for some popular reforms – welfare, perhaps health; and then went all misty-eyed over that contradiction in terms, at least in the Twenty-First century, Arabian democracies . . . .
Carp.
But – Jeeeez.
To enact [sensible] policies kinda needs being elected.
[And – memo to the UK Labour Party: read sentence above three times a day. Don’t we here deserve a vaguely credible opposition?]
If you find a right-of-centre candidate, electable, you may get 40% of your policies. Maybe 60%, over two terms.
If you back a loser – see 2008, 2012 – you get 0.000% of your policies. At best!
So, please America, have a heart and get real!
Auto, well aware that a Duck is dismissal in cricket for the lowest possible score.
Co-incidence?
You judge, this time next year.
Carson is a pediatric neuro-surgeon.
I live in North Carolina. every day there are many adds trying to get NC to not support fracking and to support wind and solar to fight climate change. These adds are high quality. It is amazing the amount of money the local green groups have.
You should only wish you had shale to frack. North Carolina does not. Lots of luck tomyour protesters. Rather like New Jersey in essay No Fracking Way. Utter futility.
It’s rather like this crackpot motion some members of the Scottish National Party asked the Scottish Parliament to approve:
S3M-07072# Bill Kidd (Glasgow) (Scottish National Party): Scotland’s Nuclear Weapons-free Zones—
That the Parliament believes that New Zealand has set a good example with the establishment of a succession of nuclear weapons-free zones; would welcome the establishment of such zones in Scotland in homes, classrooms, places of work, communities, local authorities and in the environs of the Scottish Parliament in Edinburgh, with the aim to register Scotland as a single-state nuclear weapons-free zone with the United Nations, and would further welcome the development of a protocol for Scotland requesting that the nuclear weapons states honour such a zone by not deploying nuclear weapons on Scottish territory and by guaranteeing not to threaten or use nuclear weapons against Scotland.
Nuclear free zones in classrooms? Who are these people kidding? (Note that the proposer of the motion was called Bill Kidd.) These are the same folk who want to prevent any fracking in Scotland. No fracking in my classroom!
I know the Scots are a strange lot for us southerners but just how many of them have nuclear weapons at home? Will it become a social problem when you friends turn up for dinner with a nice bottle of wine – of cask of Wee Heavy as it might be different there – only to find that the cruise missiles they are carrying are not welcome?
That’s because they’re trying push wind farms on the Carolina coast. It’s not just the green groups, the wind farm developers expect high paybacks.
The Poop Swastika
“All over the world we are hearing from people who have found themselves impacted by climate change …”
Huh, could you name one, please?
Having heard that the unrest at the University of Missouri was sparked by reports of a “poop swastika” (yes, yes, a swastika made out of human fecal matter!!!) discovered on campus but that not one person could be found who had actually seen it — I have to ask if all this talk about climate sufferers and refugees isn’t just another “poop swastika”.
“Poop Swastika” is a new red hot (well, maybe body temperature) phrase that certainly needs to immediately become an English language standard. It so descriptively fits all the leftest hype that permeates our mainstream media.
I would just love seeing Hillary Clinton being asked by a reporter — isn’t all your talk about a Republican war on women just another “poop swastika??”
Or Trenberth being asked — isn’t your claim that climate skeptics have committed crimes that can be prosecuted under the RICO law just another “poop swastika”??
Poop Swastika — a phrase to be employed and enjoyed. So very very perfect for our times.
Eugene WR Gallun
I have now added it to my Spell Check list…thanks !!!!!
Note that they now feel impacted because they’ve heard that there is compensation to be had.
A mel a la tet du poo poo ????
Impacted?? So, their wisdom teeth are coming in sideways?
The GOP does want to eliminate serious rights women fought for and gained in the last 40 years. I am one who began suing the schools way back in 1965 after the Civil Rights Act passed. This includes the right to access birth controls.
Evidence?
emsnews
Why just Republicans?
To be honest you really ought to remind us of some of the stances the old “stalwarts” of the Democratic Party took forty years ago? You were there. You know the truth. Tell it like it was.
Why today do you ignore that so many of the leading people who take positions you abhor are women? Apparently if a woman disagrees with you she is not a woman but a Republican.
Whatever you may have been in the past today you are nothing but a Democratic Party hack spreading “poop swastikas”.
Eugene WR Gallun
Evidence ?? Liberals don’t need no stinking evidence, it just gets in the way !! (See climate change arguments for proof )
Members of the GOP may want certain things. The party establishment wishes a bunch of those members would keep their mouths shut.
The genius of Canada’s Stephen Harper was that he was able to shut up the more radical members of the Reform Party. What the party itself wanted was to be elected which they were after they hijacked the PC party. The GOP probably wishes they could do something like that.
The poor GOP is being driven crazy because it fears that The Donald’s policies will lose the Latino vote. Before that the Tea Party was doing the same thing. The party is deeply conflicted and I don’t think you can say what the GOP wants. The GOP wants an aspirin.
So tell us how the GOP prevents women from accessing birth control.
I’m all ears.
You mean like the nuns who are suing O’care not? They’re Republican?
WITF are you jabbering about?
Have you gone off your meds?
I hope you get well soon.
Huh? Who’s taking away a person’s right to access birth control. You are confused by something altogether different. I do not except the notion that taking away is the same thing as being given free pills from people who find it against their moral belief to give away birth control. Free is not free either. Anyone can go and buy birth control pills… That will not change.
No, seriously. I think Elaine means for example the right of women to choose their gender freely and go to whichever bathroom feels right. Should the GOP prevail then Caitlyn Jenner would lose the right to turn back into a man if she felt like it. She’d be stuck being a woman and going to the ladies room even if she didn’t feel like it anymore.
There are other serious rights at stake, I think. California Representative Barbara Lee announced that greenhouse gases cause asthma, toxic dump sites in communities of color and drive poor mothers into sex work. In response, House Republicans denied climate.
Denial of reality doesn’t work.
The GOP has been against abortion rights ever since I can remember. Still are. I am NOT a hard line Democrat, I despise Hillary, for example. But I also understand how real things work and it is quite revealing how people who comment at this site often are also very ideological about other things that matter a great deal to many people.
It is quite odd seeing how various things become ideological divides and anyone that crosses over the lines is unusual. I am such a person. Neither left nor right, I do support basic human rights for all people for the simple reason, it makes life tolerable for humans and giving people the right to live their own lives is highly important to me.
@emsnews–
Where do you suppose your “denial of reality” fits in with the abortion proponents’ view of life and consciousness? To what extent would their bloody practice continue, if the whole political/intellectual structure supporting the abortion industry were to recognize the concept that there is consequence to our thoughts and actions?
emsnews says “The GOP has been against abortion rights…I do support basic human rights for all people”
baby lives matter.
About as true as the claim that CO2 is going to kill us.
Another leftwinger who actually believes that birth control begins and ends with abortion.
There is no right to kill your baby.
One thing I’ve noticed over the years, is how left wingers keep going on and on about how they aren’t political.
It’s the people who disagree with them who are being political.
BTW, claiming that there are should be no limits on abortion is just about as political a position as one could possibly take.
One thing I have always found fascinating, is how left wingers have actually managed to convince themselves that they aren’t political. It’s the people who disagree with them who are being political.
BTW, your no limits on abortion position is about as political as one can get, less than 10% of the population agrees with it.
Having to lie about what your opponents believe is hardly non-political either.
To make it worse, in Canada, the left has managed to make us pay for abortions (via our free healthcare). I really try not to think about it; it makes me ill thinking that I am paying to have babies killed.
emsnews
Strange that you cant remember the old Democrats who were against abortion? And many people who identify as Democrat today are against abortion. (By the way, I personally support abortion as a medical procedure that a woman has a right to choose. I have not quite figured out who should pay for it yet.)
And the claim that Republicans are trying to end access to birth control? Just a Poop Swastika.
And your memory of past time is quite faulty. Strange that you can’t remember who it was that stood in the school house door? That was not a Republican. Forty years ago if you were suing school boards you were suing Democratic school boards. Reminded of it, will you admit to that now and stop implying it was Republicans you were suing? Poop Swastika.
Strange that you can’t remember that the “Solid South” meant “Solidly Democratic South” and the South keep electing the same racist Democratic Crackers year after year until the Republican reformers made inroads. Yet you smear southern Republicans as the racists? Poop swastika.
Poop Swastikas — which you tell about the Republican party — constitute almost your entire political spiel. You ARE a Democratic Party hack. The words out of your mouth say exactly what you are.
Eugene WR Gallun
OK this is getting WILDLY off topic, both of you, emsnews and Eugene, stop please.
+ 10
Fire investigators know that the owners of properties are involved in 85% of arsons. Painting a swastika on your church before you burn it fools none of them.
I am positive the purported poo perp participated in the protest.
Barbara Lee D-Ca represents the best argument I have ever seen for congressional term limits. 12 years max, followed by a minimum 2 year prison term.
The Missouri Poop Swastika Is the Moment Social Justice Jumped the Shark
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/11/11/the-missouri-poop-swastika-is-the-moment-social-justice-jumped-the-shark/
Love you Eugene! I Love people that know’s a lie when they hear it! Chicken Little the sky is gone? What’s the next lie from green fools?Maybe worms are killing the ground?
Actually, derek nee, “the worms killing the ground” is bandied about quite frequently in the lands of the Canadian Shield.
MOSS
offered without explanation
Eugene, you owe me a keyboard!!!!!
The perpetrator should go see his proctologist fast!
There will be just enough ambiguous, vague and wishy-washy commitments that the politicians can go home and talk about how they have committed their own taxpayers’ money to combat global warming. This will of course be a failure to the activists, who will just have to get ready for another conference (taxpayer funded of course) where we will be urged to act now, because this will be the last chance before we all fry (“and we REALLY mean it this time”). It’s a foregone conclusion, the scripts are already written, and the circus will go on.
+1
Anyone who thinks the 40,000 climate “science” troughers meting in Paris next month are going to make any decisions that will deny them the chance of perpetuating this annual p1ss-up at five star resorts for ever is living in cloud cuckoo land.
Regarding: “Given the dramatic Asian race for coal, driven by billions of poor people demanding a better life, it seems very likely that Australian coal production, and coal production elsewhere, will rise dramatically in the near future”:
Don’t bet on major future coal sales yet. It’s entirely possible that China has agreed on the world stage to reduce its future coal consumption, not because it is concerned with CO2 production per se, but because of the associated detrimental air pollution from coal burning. “With nearly 1.4 million deaths a year, China has the most air pollution fatalities (worldwide), followed by India with 645,000 and Pakistan with 110,000.”
Beijing will close the last of its 4 coal burning power plants next year. They are switching to natural gas.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-24/beijing-to-close-all-major-coal-power-plants-to-curb-pollution
Beijing is not China.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/12/world/asia/china-coal-power-energy-policy.html
More junk from Bloomberg
http://business.financialpost.com/news/energy/energy-hasnt-been-this-hot-since-they-invented-fire-so-where-should-you-put-your-money
Firing up coal plants to their maximum is not intelligent use.
You want coal plants working in a given range with plenty of room to allow coverage for loss of generation capability or transmission.
last article I read on Bloomberg was introducing us to our new President – Hillary – enough said
coal scrubbers work just fine and enable excellent H2O and CO2 emissions (and not much else)
Liberals are still living in the 1970’s ,,,,,so they assume everyone else is too !!!
It is not my expertise, but I also believe that NOX can also be controlled with other equipment
Just perfect for a water world that is inhabited by carbon life forms.
“coal scrubbers work just fine”
That’s no way to describe the next president.
I guess they did’nt hear of scrubbers or other why’s to stop their own pollution.1974 was when a republican called R.Nixon created the E.P.A. we got clean & are the greenist country(per POP.)on the planet.Please don’t include the U.S. in anything that the rest of the world does.We lead on “how it’s done” for a very long time.Not forced by gov’t, but by innovation.Thank us for all the food in the world!
“Beijing will close the last of its 4 coal burning power plants next year. They are switching to natural gas.”
What I read in the National Geographic is that they are switching to gas derived from coal in Inner Mongolia that is being piped to Beijing. The NG story, by Bill McKibben, also said that the gasification process releases twice as much CO2 as burning the coal. And the area near the gasifiers is polluted and hazy, IIRC.
BTW, the Bloomberg story, from March, also claims that China reduced its CO2 emissions by 2% in 2014. That claim is no longer operative; it has been overtaken by the recent revelation that it has actually been under-reporting its emissions by 17%.
There is currently a massive amount of construction in australia in the coal seam gas industry.
The plan is to ship the gas to asia via a new port facility in queensland.
Big dollars spent, and a massive payoff expected.
Clean coal power reduces the smog and pollution problems to ZERO
I love the way the fools actually think that coal means air pollution. All you need are scrubbers dear heart.
Please learn a little about the subject before you go out of your way to make an idiot of yourself again.
The United States of America has declared CO2 to be pollution.
Wiki gives good background.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Electric_Power_Co._v._Connecticut
This one didn’t stick beeecuase the courts differed to EPA to regulate the pollutant. If they dont then private folks can sue.
This one also didnt stick but had legs. Tried to blame rising seas, melting glaciers and katrina on CO2.
http://www.climatelawyers.com/post/2012/03/22/Dismissed-Means-Dismissed-The-First-Climate-Change-Liability-Damages-Suit-Comer-v-Murphy-Oil-Is-Tossed-Again.aspx
Nibble nibble … a chunk of flesh here and chunk there.
As long as CO2 wallos around as a pollutant by law, a case will stick eventually.
The above is what they want, Paris is a side show.
Sunny,
As Mark Twain might have said, reports of coal’s death are greatly exaggerated. You might want to add the Wall Street Journal and other sources which better reflect reality to your reading list. Relying on 350.org and former society gossip columnist for “The New Yorker” Bill McKibben for your information is not in your best interest. BTW, had you noticed we passed 400 ppm CO2 and the sky didn’t fall?
What detrimental air pollution from coal burning?
All modern coal fired power stations have either electrostatic precipitators or bag filters which remove particulate.
If the coal is high in sulphur, scrubbers are used remove oxides of sulphur by converting them to gypsum.
The last of metropolitan power stations, in western nations, were pretty much all shut down during the seventies.
In the meantime, consider the WHO report, summarised below. These deaths can be curbed by burning coal to produce cheap electricity.
Household air pollution and health
Fact sheet N°292
Updated March 2014
Key facts
Around 3 billion people cook and heat their homes using open fires and simple stoves burning biomass (wood, animal dung and crop waste) and coal.
Over 4 million people die prematurely from illness attributable to the household air pollution from cooking with solid fuels.
More than 50% of premature deaths among children under 5 are due to pneumonia caused by particulate matter (soot) inhaled from household air pollution.
3.8 million premature deaths annually from noncommunicable diseases including stroke, ischaemic heart disease, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) and lung cancer are attributed to exposure to household air pollution.
Dave
Linear thought isn’t getting you there.
It’s not about the babies. That’s an appeal to emotion.
Coal fired power plants have done a great job removing soot.
Particulate matter used to be a problem and NAAQS were the basis of some class action lawsuits.
The industry, however, took that away.
CO2 however is the new pollutant.
It now forms the basis for the next wave of lawsuits (tax via class action)
In the US, Latinos are likely to determine this next election.
They are strong advocates of CAGW/CO2 because they live in industrialized areas.
The Dems know they can gain a tremendous edge by catering to this.
If the Democrats have another 8 years in the WH, they’ll be able to more methodically implement the things they wont accomplish in Paris. Paris carbon tax was never really the big prize.
8 more years in the WH was.
And apologies to the rest of the world.
You matter, but not as much as the battle going on in the States.
Moving back to linear thoughts now.
Wow honey, i love those jeans.
Gee…umm thanks ??
yeah … well .. ya know
latinos do have a lot of pride.
they wouldn’t take it too well if they found out they were being used for a con
even if it did put money in their pockets.
(mostly though the lawyers get the money)
call it dirty money
they’ll hear ya then
First , I am not latino…second, I thought you were talking about my not so sexy jeans !! LOL…
+ 10
And no, I’m not gay !! I apologize in advance for any …errr… misunderstanding…..But my friends thought it was funny….( no Toronto hockey tonight, too many Canadian beers..ya da ya da ya da …….)
Nothing is more important than the Dems being thrown out of the WH
CarbonFarmerDave, i don’t know where you found your ‘key facts’, but let’s be aware that the people who cook and heat their homes using open fires do so because in their countries, mostly in Africa and Asia, their govts don’t know how to manage raising the standard of living for their people higher, in all respects.
Lets be honest, the money that could have been spent raising people out of poverty , ended up in the swiss bank accounts of the politicians of those countries.
The Paris carbon tax is not the prize folks, neither is the slush fund.
It’s a distraction.
You’re missing what the Democrats in the US want.
They are leading this bus ride.
WE will make them fail !!
Has this done the rounds? So hard to keep up with all that’s real.
http://technocracy.news/index.php/2015/10/30/former-president-of-greenpeace-scientifically-rips-climate-change-to-shreds/
Many times but never enough !!!
. . .Patrick Moore is my Canadian hero, Anthony Watts is stuck in second place as my American hero !!! sorry.
People should know that Indonesia surpassed Australia as a coal producing nation in 2013.
They have HEAPS of coal, as does PNG, and are more than willing to let China, Japan, Korea etc get at that coal. Also heard rumours of big finds in Borneo.
Newcastle needs that 4th coal terminal if they want to keep up.
And the Adari mine also needs to be pushed past the green blob.
What I am saying that no matter what happens in Paris, CO2 emissions will continue totally unabated.
As an anti-CO2 scam it has TOTALLY FAILED.
Let’s see how it fairs as a totalitarian bankster/socialist scam.
Andy
Hmmmmm, could this burst a few investments from the financial houses ?
I wonder how deep in the game they are ?
Very deep i would bet Knute !! Much deeper than the pig shit I use to shovel as a kid…and that was DEEP !!!
Hang on a second. Reading sarastro92 November 11, 2015 at 5:01 pm. Is there an agreement coming which, although disappointing to alarmists, will be economically damaging to the U.S. or other countries? What is the “medium group” going to suffer?
“But, instead of expecting these talks to deliver final solutions to the climate crisis …”
I’ve learned to never like “final solutions”
Red Ryder ….Lunatic Fringe ….how apt !!
https://youtu.be/sTFVMMCwsss
Canadians of course !!!
If you think about it , that really is what we are up against…” The Lunatic Fringe !! Or have I had just one too many beer ?????
A real friend would buy you another round and tell you to blog away.
I hear Hillary’s twitter account is having a slow day.
Me neither Neo, but it looks and sounds more than ever that something along those lines is in the planning for those who think the wrong thoughts like us.
History always seems repeat itself….funny how that happens ..will we ever learn ??.
Knute………ARE YOU CRAZY ???? Have you ever tried to make a logical comment on her Twitter account ?? The piranha’s try to eat you alive !!! That’s why I’m skin and bones…… I’ve had a new ass torn out of me….but not with any actual facts / data / intelligence or even the opportunity to debate anything,..Just hatred from the oh so tolerant liberal left !!!
Just look at the Missouri school !! Liberal tolerance in action !!
i dont tweet although i do follow “twitchy.com”
tweeting seems like abusive ping pong with words
Dear Knute…so instead of tweeting …your twitching ???? I think I’ll stay with commenting on WUWT…much safer and you actually learn something new !!! LOL.. good night …
Climate Crisis???!!!
what a hoot!!
The Modern Climate Optimum will be sorely missed by 2050.
Right on!
“Final solution” for the Green Shirts is six billion fewer humans on the planet.
U.N. Agenda 21
…….As a Canadian I can tell you….2 degrees warmer is NOT ENOUGH !!!…Ummmm… so when do I get my cheque ( check ) from Exxon ????
Just trying to keep score here. If there are 7 billion people on earth and each person lived a full life to say 100 years, then that means 70 million should die each year. Trying to comprehend the 1.4 million deaths in China attributed to air pollution and what sort of blip it is. If China has a population of 1.5 billion then they should have 15 millions deaths on average. 1.4 million is a tenth of this number. Big problem yes or no.
Oh noes! Future generations will be condemned to drown in a rising tide of boiling acidic sea water!
That about about covers their thought process !!
The indoctrination has been very effective.
Since hundreds of thousands die each year from smoke related diseases and people like the ACF are pulling out all stops to prevent the switch to electricity, and understanding that these deaths are virtually all “non white persons”, is there a case to be made for “Attempted Genocide” by the Green Groups.
I would think that pursuing policies that they know will kill millions, the answer would have to be “Yes”.
I repeat …U.N. Agenda 21…they believe there are too many Humans on this planet we call Earth !!!