Guest opinion: Dr. Tim Ball
The Daily Caller headline said, Russia’s Putin Says Global Warming Is ‘A Fraud.” What Putin is doing and saying is nothing new. He always knew that the IPCC climate was wrong he simply changed his political position as the situation dictated. Soviet and latterly Russian climatologists are far better than most in the west. I know Chinese climatologists are their equals because I worked with both.
Experience
I worked with several Soviet climatologists during the Cold War. It began when I wrote a chapter in a book titled Climate Since AD 1500. The editor had chapter authors review other chapters. One that I was assigned titled “Documentary evidence from the USSR” by E. P. Borisenkov reported on the value of the Russian Chronicles. I became very familiar with the work of Mikhail Budyko, who essentially changed the approach from synoptic climatology to energy budget climatology. His work was influential to current climate science. Ironically, the editor was Phil Jones, who gave me my only mention in the leaked emails. In May 2008, he wrote,
“PPS Our web server has found this piece of garbage – so wrong it is unbelievable that Tim Ball wrote a decent paper in Climate Since AD 1500.”
Michael Mann commented,
p.s. As for Tim Ball, he is so completely discredited (with having lost that lawsuit involving him lying about his academic credentials) that nobody but those truly in denial would even bother reading his tripe. see e.g.
http://www.desmogblog.com/node/1272
I do find it an amusing curiosity that he actually has a chapter in Bradley and Jones.
Probably best kept a secret!
The problem is I didn’t lose a lawsuit and the paper that published the false academic credentials, The Calgary Herald, published a correction and apology. Consider the source of Mann’s information. Besides, we now know who published the real garbage?
Different Approaches and Conflicts
During the Cold War, most Soviet science publications were not available until a significant change occurred when Jewish scientists who escaped from the Soviet Union set up translation services in Israel. In approximately 1990 a divergence in climate science emerged between Eastern block countries and the West. The Soviets believed climate was cyclical, the sum of a multitude of cycles. The challenge was to identify them and how they interacted. Cyclical climate events pervaded Russian thinking particularly since the publication of Nikolai Kondratieff’s 1926 article titled “Long Waves in Economic Life.” The concept of climate cycles has flourished in economics and stock market prognostications ever since. Michael Zahorchak’s book “Climate: The Key to Understanding Business Cycles” is a good example. The western view revolved around Chaos Theory that weather was unpredictable beyond a couple of days because of randomness; Lorenz and the butterfly. This created an ongoing contradiction for AGW proponents. If you can’t forecast accurately for a few days, how can you be so certain about 50 and 100-year forecasts?
The fascinating thing about the east-west scientific, intellectual and philosophical difference is that it was interpreted as political and ideological. It wasn’t, and Putin’s position is a manifestation of the difference. What is fascinating is his recognition that the IPCC and Kyoto was a political agenda to suppress development, except that he believes it is only applied to developing countries. In fact, it was designed to promote equal and limited development by weakening developed nations and minimally improving developing nations. All this comes after the developed nations paid for their sins and the money went to the developing nations who suffered. It takes a communist to recognize an attempt at one-world government. Putin is not opposed to this as long as Russia is in control.
Another illustration of the Russian position occurred when Lord May used science societies to promote the IPCC global warming agenda. He began with the UK Royal Society and used their prestigious status to persuade other national societies to manipulate public perception with public statements. Most societies conformed, an issue that is still a contention for many, as Professor Emeritus Hal Lewis’s resignation from the American Physical Society illustrated. One group, the Russian Academy, resisted the propaganda move under the leadership of climatologist Professor Yuri Izrael. At a United Kingdom Met Office (UKMO) conference at Exeter University titled “Avoiding Dangerous Climate Change,” Professor Izrael and Andrei Illarionov paid the price for their actions. As Benny Peiser reported,
After two days of relentless barrage of doom and gloom predictions at the Met Office conference on “Avoiding Dangerous Climate Change” I decided that enough is enough. The unmitigated exposure to prophecies of imminent ice ages, looming hell fire, mass starvation, mega-droughts, global epidemics and mass extinction is an experience I would not recommend to anyone with a thin-skinned disposition (although the news media couldn’t get enough of it). But such was the spectacle of pending disaster that anyone who dared – or was allowed – to question whether the sky is really about to fall on us (and there were at least half a dozen of moderate anti-alarmists present), was branded a “usual suspect”, a slur hurled against Andrei Illarionov (Putin’s economic adviser) by the IPCC’s Martin Parry.
Peiser reported that after Professor Izrael presented his paper
The Russian scientist was immediately and disrespectfully admonished by the chair and former IPCC chief Sir John Houghton for being far too optimistic. Such a moderate proposal was ridiculous since it was “incompatible with IPCC policy”. Clearly, the Met Office meeting was setting the tone for the next IPCC report.
It was deeply upsetting to witness the ill-mannered and discourteous way in which both Professor Izrael and Dr Illarionov were mocked during the debates by many delegates and IPCC officials.
This is the same UKMO that get weather and climate forecasts wrong so often they lost their contract to the fellow public agency the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC).
Putin’s Climate Representative
Putin was always opposed to Kyoto and the so-called science behind it. He sent his economic advisor Andrey Illarionov on a world tour explaining what was wrong with the science. A copy of his Washington 2004 PowerPoint presentation is available here. After the tour Putin’s political situation changed.
The Kyoto Protocol needed ratification by enough countries that produced 55% of the CO2. When the US refused to participate, Russia was the only country left at the time producing enough CO2 to keep Kyoto going. Illarionov finished his world tour returned to Russia and a month later Putin announced he was going to ratify Kyoto. Illarionov resigned. Some argued that Putin gained more by selling emission credits. Putin explained the realities of his action. His goal was to double Russia’s gross domestic product, and he believed this was more achievable through membership in the World Trade Organization (WTO).
The fact was that several nations, mostly European, effectively blackmailed Putin by telling him they would not support his application for Russia’s membership in the WTO. Illarionov explained what went on before he left the stage. Putin considered that membership more valuable than the Kyoto deal at the time. Here is that view artfully suggested by a Polish commentator.
Another popular hypothesis links ratification with EU support for Russia’s WTO accession. Although high-ranking officials such as Foreign Affairs Minister Igor Ivanov and Energy Minister Igor Iusofov denied this allegation, President Putin himself hinted at it, when saying: “The EU has met us halfway in talks over the WTO and that cannot but affect positively our position on the Kyoto Protocol.” It is not clear, however, whether Russia’s delay was part of a strategy to bargain with the EU, or whether the Kremlin “just” took advantage of its special position to come closer to WTO membership—which was one of the main aims of Putin’s presidency.
Now it is to Putin’s economic advantage to oppose the Kyoto replacement the Green Climate Fund (GCF).
Will Putin Contribute To The Green Climate Fund?
At the Conference of the Parties (COP)16, they introduced the Green Climate Fund with the World Bank as the interim trustee. In September 2015, the European Union and South Korea committed to making the GCF a major part of the Paris COP.
SONGDO, 17 September 2015 – Meeting on the occasion of their Eighth Bilateral Summit, the heads of the Republic of Korea and the European Union stressed the need to tackle climate change and confirmed their resolve to play their part in concluding a successful universal climate agreement in Paris later this year.
The three leaders affirmed their ambition to “make the Green Climate Fund fully operational and the main operating entity of the financial mechanism” under the UNFCCC for the Post-2020 climate regime.
Despite this, many are not paying.
Friends of the Earth International today demanded that developed nations provide the Green Climate Fund with the resources they pledged to it in 2014, warning that the contributions made so far are alarmingly low.
Thousands will go to Paris with over half of them Non-Government Organization (NGO) people. They will push an agenda that Putin knows is completely unnecessary. As the French mathematical society, SocietedeCalculMathematiqueSA wrote in a recent paper that Putin will know about titled, “The battle against global warming: an absurd, costly and pointless crusade.”
There is not a single fact, figure or observation that leads us to conclude that the world‘s climate is in any way ̳disturbed‘. It is variable, as it has always been, but rather less so now than during certain periods or geological eras. Modern methods are far from being able to accurately measure the planet‘s global temperature even today, so measurements made 50 or 100 years ago are even less reliable.
Concentrations of CO2 vary, as they always have done; the figures that are being released are biased and dishonest. Rising sea levels are a normal phenomenon linked to upthrust buoyancy; they are nothing to do with so-called global warming. As for extreme weather events – they are no more frequent now than they have been in the past.
It is built on the false science created by the IPCC to support the political objective of Agenda 21. German Physicist and meteorologist Klaus-Eckart Plus explained why too many scientists don’t understand. They never read what the IPCC said.
“Ten years ago I simply parroted what the IPCC told us. One day I started checking the facts and data—first I started with a sense of doubt but then I became outraged when I discovered that much of what the IPCC and the media were telling us was sheer nonsense and was not even supported by any scientific facts and measurements. To this day I still feel shame that as a scientist I made presentations of their science without first checking it.” ”Scientifically it is sheer absurdity to think we can get a nice climate by turning a CO2 adjustment knob.”
Russian scientists know what the IPCC said. Because of them Putin knows that the climate science of the IPCC is wrong. He knows it because Soviet and now Russian climatologists practice open science, which is ironic in a political system that is supposed to be controlling. He also knows the IPCC is designed to use climate for political goals because he does it better than most. As the say, it takes a thief to catch a thief. How much money will Putin contribute to the Green Climate Fund?
Thank-you, Dr. Ball. I finished reading the white paper published by S.C.M. this morning and found it to be very approachable and straight forward in its analysis.
Russian solar physicists Galina Mashnich and Vladimir Bashkirtsev bet climate modeler James Annan $10,000 that the globe would be cooler during 2012-2017 compared to 1998-2003.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2005/aug/19/climatechange.climatechangeenvironment
The bet was based on NCDC data, but unfortunately for the Russians, NCDC’s Tom Karl and friends “adjusted” the data this year to eliminate the global warming pause; the Russians should refuse to pay.
Don B,
The Russians may well win the bet anyway. But to be fair and honest about it, they should specify the average of the RSS and UAH satellite measurements, not on NCDC’s adjusted ‘data’. As we saw in the Climategate emails, the alarmist scientists are not above “correcting” the record.
Huh, it must be global conspiracy then….
http://ds.data.jma.go.jp/tcc/tcc/products/gwp/temp/fig/an_wld.png
And we had an integrated global network of temperature measuring devices in 1890? Yeah right…
130 years of flat-line trend as the world industrialized. Yet AGW predicted an accelerating trend.
“It doesn’t matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn’t matter how smart you are. If it doesn’t agree with experiment, it’s wrong”
50 years ago, when the world was colder, we could barely feed 3 billion people. today with a warmer climate and CO2 fertilizer we feed more than 7 billion.
food production has more than doubled in 50 years. and all we hear is that warming spells disaster. only if more people means disaster.
Take Mother Earth out on a date. Would you rather she was:
1. Cold and dry
2. Warm and wet
I love anomaly graphs but no one seems to quote the value of zero as a temperature,
could you please state the temperature of zero in the graph.
Thanks.
So then it’s a global conspiracy? I knew it!
http://ds.data.jma.go.jp/tcc/tcc/products/gwp/temp/fig/an_wld.png
Barry,
I notice that there is no change in global warming between times when CO2 was low, and when CO2 was high. Thanx for verifying that global warming is natural.
Japan Meterological Agency however do not themselves collect this information. As they helpfull explian elsewhere on their website in a section titled – “Global Warming information”
In Japan Meteorological Agency, the impact assessment of global warming, the promotion of study of mitigation and adaptation of global warming, with the aim of contributing to such dissemination and awareness of scientific knowledge on global warming, and global warming from the 1996 fiscal year We published the results of a Predictive model as “global warming prediction information”. – translated from Japanese by Google. ….. http://www.data.jma.go.jp/cpdinfo/GWP/index.html
They do provide a helpful download PDF which gives their sources of data, and lo and behold there are the names of “the usual suspects ” – no wonder The JMA agrees with NOAA, NASA, IPCC & etc, because they are using their data ! ….. http://www.data.jma.go.jp/cpdinfo/GWP/Vol8/pdf/08.pdf
Yes, and good job too, Barry, for pointing out that the rate seems to be steady at about .5 degrees per century. Thanks for pointing out what’s been said at WUWT for years.
The 0.7 c per century falsifies the CAGW alarmist claims and exactly backs up what Putin said. The rate has not changed at all so even if it continued, 0.7 c increase during the 21st century is not the amount of warming the alarmists claimed would be danger to humans. It is considerably less and if same warming and cooling cycles occurred like shown here it would be even cooler than 0.7 c per century. This is because 2 natural cooling cycles will fit in the 21st century this time, whereas the last century only had one.
What happened during that flat period between 1950 and 1980 ?
Barry:
You say
Please explain why warmunists imagine so many claims of conspiracies where none exist.
Your assertion of a claimed conspiracy here is but one example. Others include;
Big Oil conspires to fund AGW skeptics,
and
The frequent ‘adjustments’ of climate data to fit with what the adjusters think they should show does not provide this effect but is a conspiracy imagined by AGW skeptics,
and
etc..
I would be very grateful for an explanation because I genuinely do want to know why warmunists imagine so many claims of conspiracies where none exist.
Richard
richardscourtney commented: “…I would be very grateful for an explanation because I genuinely do want to know why warmunists imagine so many claims of conspiracies where none exist.”
It’s a defense mechanism to shame and silence the accuser when the truth is damaging to the accused….. except by refusing to divulge data the Warmist Cult actually validates the so called conspiracy theory in the minds of the public.
Where’s the flat period from 2015 to 1997? That is the current plateau in the global temperature record?
Regards
Climate Heretic
It’s a global conspiracy to hide the temperature of 0.0
Richardscourtney, many on this blog claim the data has been “cooked.” You show them the data, and they claim it’s been falsified. Here I show data from Japan, indicating they are in on the conspiracy, too. Also, see latest news about Exxon scientists.
Barry:
I asked you
And you have replied by asserting imagined claims of two conspiracies which do not exist.
Your reply says in total
There is no “conspiracy” that climate so-called scientists alter global climate data sets of of data from decades ago. They do it almost every month as a method to make the data fit with what they think it should be. They don’t conspire – and don’t need to conspire – to do it. The effect is this and it prevents publication of climate data analyses.
I don’t have a clue what you mean by “latest news about Exxon” scientists. But I do know that Exxon scientists have accurately reported climate data and have not not altered it.
I repeat my request for you to please explain why warmunists imagine so many claims of conspiracies where none exist. I genuinely do want to know.
Richard
In fact, why would the Russians send anyone to the Paris climate confab? The cards are stacked against fossil fuel producers.
From a purely political and economic perspective one would expect Putin to be all in (at least outwardly) in supporting the AGW scam, even though he KNOWS it is total BS.
Look, a very significant percentage of Russia’s income (revenue) comes from selling oil and gas. If the rest of the world cuts back on hydrocarbon production, it will drive up the price of oil and gas and this will be an economic boon for Russia and Putin.
Wind and solar are a joke in terms of being reliable sources of energy.
The Western nations, in their total stupidity, have given up on nuclear generating stations, despite the fact that the modern designs are much safer and simpler than those circa 1970s (e.g., Fukushima, 3 Mile Island, etc) , and have totally rejected the recycling spent nuclear fuel despite the success that France has achieved in recycling.
(Note that the Chinese are building nuclear generating stations like crazy) .
Putin is not an idiot.
If he can help drive up the price of oil and gas, you can expect him to be cheer-leading that effort. And you can also expect him to disregard and ignore (or “secretly” violate) any limitations on Russian oil and gas production imposed by the morons who rule over the USA and Europe.
Food for thought: the “green” political parties in Europe most likely receive some of their funding from the Russians. The greens have successfully persuaded the Germans to shutter all their nukes. The result has been the Germans (and much of western Europe) are reliant on Russian oil and gas.
The European green energy policy can best be described as the Putin Energy Plan for Europe.
Food for thought: the “green” political parties in Europe most likely receive some of their funding from the Russians. The greens have successfully persuaded the Germans to shutter all their nukes.
@ur momisugly John Tyler:
Not only in the EU, here in Canada they have spend millions supporting the Greens against pipe lines every where ( even existing ones), especially the ones that are supposed to send natural gas to Asia from BC and Alberta. The 2 new governments both at the provincial levels (Alberta NDP) and Federal level (Trudeau’s Libs a majority btw ) are already causing massive lay offs in the “oil patch” in just the past few days. I know this a right wing site but the numbers cohttps://blu176.mail.live.com/?tid=cmO30sPqt-5RGZ_9idZ1yJdw2&fid=flinboxmpute,
Try this link the above one got mangled.
https://blu176.mail.live.com/?tid=cmO30sPqt-5RGZ_9idZ1yJdw2&fid=flinbox
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“I know this a right wing site”
It’s too bad that WUWT is pigeonholed as such. If this is the general opinion, it will limit the site in the long run. That view becomes a hurdle for the listener who is not “right wing”.
Asybot;
“I know this is a rightwing site”
Seems to fly pretty straight to me.
Truth requires balance, Mr Watts does a remarkable job of allowing all kinds of comments.
Other than your knowing, do you have any evidence to support your belief?
http://ds.data.jma.go.jp/tcc/tcc/products/gwp/temp/ann_wld.html
It would be interesting to see the history of adjustments.
Barry,
From your link:
Trend = 0.7º/century.
Why the panic?
Yes, you can draw a straight line through a set of data points. Congratulations on doing so. However, you never ever (basically) continue the projection of the straight line beyond the end points of the data, this includes polynomial fits as well.
The correct graph (trend line) is a sawtooth + sinusoidal one. The time range for this trend is around 450,000BP. Extrapolating this trend indicates a cooling period, beginning from about 10,000 yrs ago. The start of the Holocene period.
Regards
Climate Heretic
PS Yes I know, Proxy data from the Vostok and Greenland ice cores.
The Russians have decided they need more ice breakers, and soon. Perhaps they see something coming that Al Gore does not? Meanwhile, the US keeps kicking the can down the road for replacements of USCGC Polar Sea and USCGC Polar Star, the only two heavy ice breakers we possess. I visit USCG Base Seattle occasionally, and it is sad to see Polar Sea rusting away at the pier.
http://www.barentsobserver.com/en/arctic/2015/05/new-icebreakers-open-way-russia-arctic-05-05
Putin is putting himself in the firing line for being assassinated by the dark forces behind the UN. Abbott and Harper were shafted to get Australia and Canada to sign up for the Lysenkoism of global warming/ climate change/ extreme weather or whatever the scare of the day.
Don’t know about Abbott, but it’s clear that Harper shafted himself. He was not a very likeable person; a control freak who micro-managed everything the government did, and was unable to answer a question with an answer (OK all politicians these days are bad at answering questions, but Harper took it to new levels of absurdity). He managed to do essentially nothing on the warming front, while making a commitment to be fossil-fuel-free in 2100. Right, 2100. People just got tired of him, and I think it’s foolish to see a conspiracy behind his removal. Climate was hardly mentioned as an issue in the election – all the parties (except the Green Party) know that Canada’s economy still relies very heavily on oil ans gas production. They do a bit of talking the talk, but I don’t think we’ll see the new Liberal government doing too much walking the walk on climate (maybe that’s wishful thinking, fingers remain crossed, touch wood, etc.).
Sturgis Hooper
My sister, my older sister, actually dated Vladimir Putin (she called him Vlad the Bad). He’s the only man who ever survived it. Or, kept his money.
TJ
Theory
Your sister is responsible for honing his pragmatism.
Experimental data required
A significant data set of your sisters past suitors and a measurement of their behavorial patterns. Please submit the raw data for appropriate smoothing and messaging.
Causation need not be proven, correlation will suffice.
Since it has already been predetermined that we can’t change your sister’s behavoir or make her pay, you’ll have to pony up the money for disparate impact.
Warning : This is make believe. This is not to be taken out of context or misused without its entire proceeings, including the warning.
Jenkins on NOAA’s massaged data:
VIDEO: 2mins59secs: 30 Oct: WSJ: Opinion Journal: Rigging Climate-Change Data?
Business World Columnist Holman Jenkins Jr. on the House investigation into the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association’s climate data.
http://www.wsj.com/video/opinion-journal-rigging-climate-change-data/9314B300-F9A2-44CD-8762-242A0C294926.html
Putin no doubt knows who the CAGW winners are:
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just to clarify something. the NYT piece on Putin is, in reality, a Reuters piece and is marked as such at top and bottom of the article. here’s the original:
29 Oct: Reuters: Russian media take climate cue from skeptical Putin
By Andrey Kuzmin
(Additional reporting by Alister Doyle in Oslo; Editing by Bruce Wallace and Kevin Liffey)
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/29/us-climatechange-summit-russia-media-idUSKCN0SN1GI20151029
Andrey Kuzmin’s twitter page, with polar bear:
Twitter: Andrey Kuzmin, Reuters metals&mining editor\reporter in Moscow
https://twitter.com/inwakeofquake
like all Reuters’ writers, the usual suspects get quoted or mentioned: Carbon Action Tracker, Greenpeace, WWF:
23 Sept: ThomsonReuters: Andrey Kuzmin: Russia rejects criticism of greenhouse gas plan, will not amend – top Putin adviser
Green groups say Russia’s emissions pledge lacks ambition
http://sustainability.thomsonreuters.com/2015/09/23/russia-rejects-criticism-of-greenhouse-gas-plan-will-not-amend-top-putin-adviser/
STOP electro-volcanic ICE-RISE and a new GLACIAL, by Laser Shielding active craters from magma stimulating space muons (Ebisuzaki, 2011)!!! NASA Study: ‘Mass Gains of Antarctic Ice Sheet’!!!… http://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses
As an aside. But still related to COP21, I just chanced on this BBC Daily Politics segment.
I’m beginning to strongly suspect that Andrew Neil is a closet skeptic.
Some people are waking up. It’s getting harder and harder to baffle them with flim-flam:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p036nfrd
It suits Putin for the EU to overwhelmed by Syrian refugees whilst keeping Assad in power. It will make his plans for Ukraine, Belarus and the Baltic States that much easier to complete. Putin is very clever and runs rings round all western leaders.
And an imbecilic propaganda piece on COP21 here from David Shukman.
At this very moment this is being beamed into the minds of the gullible.
A masterclass in how to construct a image of “fearful things” using no facts, no science, no scientists and no interest in the truth. Pure propaganda and rhetoric, zero content.
Perfect halloween material.
Slightly scary to children but for anyone with a developed mind, quite obviously not real.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34684278
What happened to watchdog journalism – when did it die?
It died in the UK circa 1972 when the UK joined up with ‘le grand projet’ of Brussels – actually even before Jan 73, the ogres of the thought police were beginning to silence investigative journalism and reportage. A political system, the sclerosis of consensus politics and being prepared for entry into the what was then ‘the common market’ was shackling a free press and for propagandizing the great British public.
TPTB, its elite had seen – frightening images were being beamed into our homes during the late Sixties – they could see examples of open, frank reportage from Vietnam and that sort of reporting had to be suppressed.
Free Britons used to scoff and laugh at Tass and Pravda the old Russian Soviet news outlets but we inevitably succumbed, here in the west presently, the big problem is – the public is unaware and actually believes – that, al-beeb its programming and news reportage – is factual, unbiased and accurately truthful……
Can you believe it?
Tim, you say:
Quote:
The fascinating thing about the east-west scientific, intellectual and philosophical difference is that it was interpreted as political and ideological. It wasn’t.
And then you say:
Quote:
His goal was to double Russia’s gross domestic product, and he believed this was more achievable through membership in the World Trade Organization (WTO).
That makes the Western AGW scam deeply political, based firmly in the dark arts of political duplicity.
I think what you mean is that AGW is not a ‘left vs right’ political divide. I might agree with you on that. But it is most certainly a ‘fantasist vs pragmatist’ political divide. Every devout AGWist I have met also believes that all nations, cutures, religions and people are all the same, and they all have a deep well of honesty and goodness within them. Not one of them has the experience and wisdom of a street-wise urchin, who will recognise good from bad by the age of three or four.
R
http://www.google.com/url?q=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Anderson_(columnist)&sa=U&ved=0CBQQFjAAahUKEwi8nerot-zIAhXLFx4KHW6tC7k&usg=AFQjCNFaIIMSoTG64rnWbsXXq7knbOu2LQ
Jack Anderson died ten years ago. He was the most famous muckracker I have ever known.
All this talk of Fascism.
Crikey, from my point of view all I can relate, the men and women who close down debate – telling us that, “the science is settled” but laughably who are solely reliant on computer modelled bunkum……….premised on a supposition and very much given to shouting down reasonable men like Professors Lindzen and Willie Soon – tell me, honestly………. whose acting like the Fascists?
Then, there’s that joker Obama, his Fascistic tendencies, along with the Fascists of the climate alarmism – the UN and Brussels they are, micromanaging monsters and that sort of megalomania begets Fascism.
Putin, is a pragmatist and a very hard man, he’s not lovable but unlike Bambam – at least Putin commands respect.
Admittedly – not that it is much better here in the UK but you have to worry about a political system and electorate which allowed Obama two terms in office and is now weighing up the possibilities of a White House enthronement for a meddlesome, hand wringing liberal, endlessly incompetent wife of an ex president – whose beholden to the Internationalist order – corporatism and the Statism of big government.
Where have all the good guys gone to?
From reference article: [quote] Putin’s former senior economic adviser, who’s now a senior fellow at the libertarian Cato Institute.
“We found that, while climate change does exist, it is cyclical, and the anthropogenic role is very limited,” Illarionov said. “It became clear that the climate is a complicated system and that, so far, the evidence presented for the need to ‘fight’ global warming was rather unfounded.” [quote]
Illarionov sounds pretty much like what most of us on this site have written.
Now you guys can go back to trivial nonsense like slide rules and fascism … Geez Louise.
French mathematicians say “The battle against global warming: an absurd, costly and pointless crusade” October 30, 2015
https://wryheat.wordpress.com/2015/10/30/french-mathematicians-say-the-battle-against-global-warming-an-absurd-costly-and-pointless-crusade/
Reminds me of Monty Python and the holy Grail. The holy Grail in this case being CO2. The French of course have the usual contempt for believers. I hope the French give the global warming crowd the same treatment that was given to the believers at the end of the movie.
Putin is a hard-core Leninist/KGBist, but at least he’s correct about CAGW.
Russia may play the Climate Game, but it’s all a ruse as a way to seek advantage. They plan to boost coal production, for example.
http://www.climatechangenews.com/2014/04/22/russia-reveals-plans-to-boost-flagging-coal-industry/
Since the title included “political realist” I think this post, showing US political candidates’ stand on the issue appropriate:
http://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2015/10/26/the-presidential-candidates-on-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-1474669
I don’t suppose most of them had a chance anyway, but I’ve crossed Jindal, Graham, Kasich, Pataki, and Bush off my list of potential candidates to support.
I know; let’s have the Obama Justice Department do a RICO investigation of Vladimir Putin!
Don’t forget that Putin in the first place is a Russian nationalist.
I got nuthin:
a photon by any other name is just as bright