Bizarre Idea: Turning us into dwarves with night vision will save us from climate change

Image from gizmodo.com
Image from gizmodo.com

Back in 2012, WUWT reported on professor Liao’s bizarre human genetic engineering proposals to combat climate change – ideas so crazy even Bill McKibben thought they were stupid. Unsurprisingly, the idea is still circulating, even gaining traction among some radical greens. The latest manifestation is a positive review of Liao’s plans in Australia’s mainstream news.

Humans of the future: Short, allergic to meat and with night vision

HAVE we been looking at the climate change issue all wrong?

Scientists are becoming increasingly interested in whether changing ourselves instead of the environment could be the unexpected solution to the world’s biggest problem.

The controversial idea of “human engineering” to lower our impact on the planet was suggested by New York University bioethics professor S Matthew Liao in 2012, who said the concept was “potentially less risky than geoengineering” and “could help behavioural and market solutions succeed in mitigating climate change”.

But the idea hasn’t gone away. Gizmodo’s Meanwhile in the Future podcast this week examined some of the specific ideas to see how altering our bodies might fix our planet. And this is just a starting point: the possibilities are endless.

NIGHT VISION

The first proposal we cover is night vision — the idea that we could genetically engineer humans to have more rods so we could better see at night, and thus reduce our dependence on electric lights.

SHORTNESS

Smaller people, quite logically, tend to use up fewer energy resources. We were much shorter 100 years ago, and Prof Liao says we could go back.

COGNITIVE ENHANCEMENT

Mental alterations are even more divisive than physical “improvements”. Could making us smarter guarantee better choices? Prof Liao suggests administering drugs including Ritalin and Modafinil to improve our intelligence, pointing out the link between cognitive ability and having fewer children.

But it’s complicated. There are other factors at work, including education, healthcare and economic and social conditions. And it’s not always the cleverest people who make the best decisions. …

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/humans-of-the-future-short-allergic-to-meat-and-with-night-vision/story-fnjwvztl-1227552908783

From Gizmodo:


 

Liao is very clear that he has no plans to force anybody to be shorter or to take Modafinil. But eugenics actually didn’t start out as something that was forced on people — many of the early eugenics proponents were all about choice. Francis Galton, the cousin of Charles Darwin, saw the idea of selective breeding as something that would become a “civil religion.” As Allen Buchanan, Dan W. Brock, Norman Daniels, and Daniel Wikler write in the book From Chance to Choice: Genetics and Justice:

If there was a core belief common to all eugenicists, it would have to be expressed in the most general terms: concern for human betterment through selection—that is, by taking measures to ensure that the humans who do come into existence will be capable of enjoying better lives and of contributing to the betterment of lives for others.

I’m not saying we’re one step away from Nazi-style eugenics here. But this is a road we’ve been down before, and it didn’t end well for us. So we should think carefully about this possible future. Climate change is a really tough problem. It’s going to require a whole lot of different (and even weird) solutions to make the future livable and just. But we can’t forget history as we forge into the future.


In some ways I find Professor Liao’s ideas on mass administration of drugs even more disturbing than his genetic ideas. Ritalin is a powerful stimulant which is sometimes prescribed to children with attention deficit disorder. In small doses, in very controlled circumstances, it can help people with brain chemistry imbalances focus on tasks, and lead a more normal life. But Ritalin is hideously addictive and has dangerous side effects. It is one of the most widely abused street drugs. Its street name is Ice, or Meth – Ritalin is Methamphetamine.

Correction (From Wikipedia)

Ritalin Methylphenidate (trade names Concerta, Methylin, Medikinet, Ritalin, Equasym XL, Quillivant XR, Metadate) is a central nervous system (CNS) stimulant of the phenethylamine[3] and piperidine classes that is used in the treatment of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) and narcolepsy.

Methylphenidate can worsen psychosis in psychotic patients, and in very rare cases it has been associated with the emergence of new psychotic symptoms.[63] It should be used with extreme caution in patients with bipolar disorder due to the potential induction of mania or hypomania. There have been very rare reports of suicidal ideation, but evidence does not support a link. Logorrhea is occasionally reported. Libido disorders, disorientation, and hallucinations are very rarely reported. Priapism is a very rare adverse event that can be potentially serious.

USFDA-commissioned studies from 2011 indicate that in children, young adults, and adults there is no association between serious adverse cardiovascular events (sudden death, heart attack, and stroke) and the medical use of methylphenidate or other ADHD stimulants.

Because some adverse effects may only emerge during chronic use of methylphenidate, a constant watch for adverse effects is recommended.

Modafinil in my opinion may not be much better. Modafinal is rapidly becoming a favourite of executives striving to hit tight deadlines, because its side effects seem to be less severe than Ritalin, which can lead users to develop paranoia and violent psychosis. Modafinal is a popular student drug – it is a memory enhancer, and it lets users continue to function for several days without sleep, with very little loss of mental acuity. But long term use of Modafinal may be just as damaging in some ways, as other widely abused stimulant drugs.

According to The Guardian;

… Sahakian’s research also suggests that prolific use over a prolonged period of time could have a potentially damaging effect on sleep architecture.

“Some professionals tend to use it on specific occasions – when they’re jetlagged or when they’ve had a particularly bad night’s sleep,” she says. “They don’t use it every day and they don’t use it in multiple doses. Whereas, if you talk to students, they’ve often taken a dose and then, when they feel it’s wearing off, they’ve taken another dose.

“And of course that does affect their sleep pattern, because when they should be going to bed, they’ve still got the drug in their system, still exerting its wake-promoting effects. This is of course counter-productive, as we consolidate our memories during sleep.”

I spoke to students who used modafinil during exam periods. They revealed that after several weeks, they had the sensation of permanently being trapped in a twilight zone, neither asleep nor awake. …

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/education/mortarboard/2013/may/31/is-modafinil-safe-in-long-term

A genetic modification for cat like night vision, or to change someone’s height? I could imagine some people actually embracing that. There are times I would certainly like better vision, and parents already in some cases tinker with the height of their children through medical interventions. But advocating mass genetic engineering, or mass administration of powerful, dangerous drugs, in the name of saving the environment, is surely nothing short of sheer lunacy.

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Gamecock
October 2, 2015 4:24 am

“All men are created equal.”
NO! Short, allergic to meat and with night vision people are better!
Eugenics requires the belief that some people are better than others, so much so that action must be taken.

RockyRoad
October 2, 2015 5:00 am

I would rather they work towards developing humans that are smarter rather than short and nocturnal. Obviously the people coming up with these “brilliant” ideas have a long way to go.

paqyfelyc
October 2, 2015 5:28 am

LOL.
What a very complex way to eradicate humans in favor of some other, more eco-friendly, specie.
Would be much simpler to simply breed cats, while forbidding human reproduction (or better yet, for a quicker result, kill us all outright…)

LarryFine
Reply to  paqyfelyc
October 2, 2015 6:28 am

Every leftwing/Green policy is anti human: anti-DDT, anti-GMO rice, anti-pharmaceutical corp, anti-agriculture corp, anti-Capitalism, pro-abortion, pro-eugenics, pro-euthanasia, pro-sterile marriages…
And while they hate GMO foods, they’re willing to turn us into “GMO humans”!

Glenn999
October 2, 2015 6:03 am

what about mole-men. live underground, leave the trees and little critters alone. paradise for the eco-prog.

Gamecock
Reply to  Glenn999
October 2, 2015 6:10 am

C.H.U.D.

wws
October 2, 2015 6:22 am

I think H. G. Wells referred to this devolution of humanity as “Morlocks”.

Bruce Cobb
October 2, 2015 6:49 am

Wow, I guess the Warmist psychopaths are looking for a “final solution” to a fabricated problem, based on a Big Lie. Reminds of another place and time some 75 years ago.

October 2, 2015 6:55 am

To hasten results, the Procrustean Bed will be employed to shorten people.

Brad Rich
October 2, 2015 8:13 am

Be afraid. Evil people, white coat or not, want to limit your capability to make decisions. Mistakes and stupid decisions are part of learning. Attempts to short-circuit the process of human experience are the basis of evil in the world. Be very afraid.

rabbit
October 2, 2015 8:52 am

I see a war breaking out between the “Mods” and the “Trads” as the Mods try to eradicate the Trads for the benefit of the planet.
The Trads, with their superior metabolism and more aggressive nature due to meat consumption, will win.
You read it here first.

agesilaus
Reply to  rabbit
October 2, 2015 9:22 am

Yeah but the mods have a insurmountable obstacle, the Trads have all the guns and the Mods are afraid to even touch the evil weapons. Just the thought of touching one throws them into hippie hysteria. Also the Trads have all the military training.

MarkW
Reply to  rabbit
October 2, 2015 10:13 am

The meat also means the Trads are going to have larger and stronger bodies.

rabbit
Reply to  MarkW
October 2, 2015 1:43 pm

The Mods will also be hindered by dysentery and cholera because none of them can work a pipe wrench.

H.R.
October 2, 2015 9:52 am

If we’re going to genetically modify humans, we should at least go for the ability to stop speeding bullets, be more powerful than a locomotive, and fly faster than an airplane. Oh, and x-ray vision. You know… useful stuff.

TonyK
Reply to  H.R.
October 2, 2015 11:12 am

If we’re putting an order in, I’m for fur and a prehensile tail. But that’s just me……..

H.R.
Reply to  TonyK
October 2, 2015 12:53 pm

Heck, TonyK. I just like to wear tights and a cape, but you don’t need to evolve to do that. It does help to have super powers if you’re a tights’n cape guy. They didn’t laugh at Superman and maybe they’d stop laughing at me.
I’ve already got the fur, which is why I don’t go shirtless at the zoo; kinda spooks the bears and those #%! zoo-keepers keep trying to shoot me with a tranquilizer darts. Also, I think the prehensile tail would interfere with getting at my wallet, though I suppose I could stop carrying that in my back hip pocket.
Genetic modification: the good, the bad, the ugly, and I’d probably get all the ugly.
;o)

Gamecock
Reply to  TonyK
October 2, 2015 3:37 pm

I’d like a prehensile ****.

Reply to  TonyK
October 2, 2015 7:25 pm

Hey H.R.
you could always carry the wallet in your pouch like a kangaroo and use your prehensile tail to lift other people’s wallets!

emsnews
October 2, 2015 2:19 pm

This thread is quite toxic.
The anti-gay remarks should be censored. Ditto, any racism remarks. Being against women’s rights, ditto, looks really bad here.

kramer
October 2, 2015 4:58 pm

The article also says:
And this brings us to the last modification that Liao talks about: empathy. You might remember that just a few weeks ago we talked about empathy on this very podcast! And you might remember that empathy is actually a really hard thing to define. Liao’s idea is to give hormones like oxytocin and seratonin to people, and to perhaps decrease someone’s testosterone.
In short, they want to turn conservative men into liberal ‘men’ by lowering our T levels. Doesn’t this excerpt imply that liberal ‘men’ have lower testosterone levels than conservative men? Given the fact that liberal ‘men’ want a big-mommy government to take care of them, I think it’s fair to conclude that liberal ‘men’ are in general, more feminine than conservative men.
We may already be part of a testosterone lowering experiment, either by design or by accident. Google gender change chemicals fish reptiles bird and you’ll find that the vast majority of news articles that come up are on species changing gender are from males to females.

Reply to  kramer
October 2, 2015 7:28 pm

Is this an example of testosterone envy?
There is already too much oestrogen in the environment from industrial etc processes, maybe we need more testosterone? Or maybe testosterone just isn’t the cause of fear and greed and envy.
Of course! That’s caused by CO2!

Khwarizmi
October 2, 2015 5:55 pm

MikeW In Khwarizmi’s world, there is nothing worse than something that isn’t owned or controlled by govt.
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Only in your deluded and defamatory little black & white mind is that true.
In your corrupt vision for how everyone else should live, there is nothing worse than something that isn’t owned or controlled by a predatory corporation. Right?

Khwarizmi
October 2, 2015 6:03 pm

MarkW
October 2, 2015 at 10:07 am
In another article on this site, Khwarizmi has declared that the only problem with health care in this country is that govt doesn’t control it.
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So says a shameless weasel on a malevolent mission.
But it didn’t quote my alleged declaration because it doesn’t exist..

MfK
October 2, 2015 10:26 pm

GMO-ing humans is perfectly fine, if it’s in the service of Gaia. But in any way servicing human beings, it isn’t? What can explain the left’s hatred of itself (of each and every human organism)? I can’t think of a reason, but they most have one. Can one of you leftists please enlighten me?

MfK
Reply to  MfK
October 2, 2015 10:28 pm

“most” = “must”

mamapjs
October 3, 2015 1:01 am

“Allergic to meat…” Say WHAT? Wouldn’t that produce some sort of weird self-rejecting tissues, given that we are MADE of meat? :/

Pamela Gray
Reply to  mamapjs
October 3, 2015 8:53 am

In addition we would have to have bigger mouth cavities to hold all the grinding teeth needed to be herbivores. In order to make that happen, we would have to have smaller brains. Or bigger necks to hold our very large heads up. Think elephant size.

Jon
Reply to  mamapjs
October 3, 2015 1:08 pm

That’s called original sin. Born bad. AGW sounds so much like self-hating Chrictianity. They drop the religion but keep the mentality! Man is inherently evil (all that carbon you know) and has to be saved or has to redeem him/herself.

Jaakko Kateenkorva
October 3, 2015 12:04 pm

Where do they get these ideas? Oh well, now when they’re at it:comment image

davidswuk
October 4, 2015 9:58 am

With all that Ice Melt to come I`d opt for flippers, dustbin sized lungs, loads o`blubber and, oh yes, a nice smooth bodeeeeeeeeeeee!