Uh, oh. Jagdish Shukla and the #RICO20 has captured the attention of Congress, and FOIA documents are coming out

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First, this press release today from the House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology and chair Lamar Smith . Some material obtained from George Mason University today via FOIA shed some light on the IGES/COLA organization and its founders and director.


For Immediate Release |  October 1, 2015                                        

Media Contacts: Zachary Kurz, Laura Crist

Smith: Taxpayer-Funded Climate Org Allegedly Seeks Criminal Penalties for Skeptics

Washington, D.C. – Science, Space, and Technology Committee Chairman Lamar Smith (R-Texas) today sent a letter to Dr. Jagadish Shukla, a professor of climate dynamics at George Mason University who founded the Institute of Global Environment and Society (IGES).  IGES is a non-profit organization that has received millions of dollars in federal grants from the National Science Foundation (NSF), National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) and NASA.

According to media reports, IGES is responsible for circulating a letter to the president and senior White House officials requesting a criminal investigation of organizations who question the risks of climate change. Specifically, the letter seeks a Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO) investigation that would allow the government to impose criminal penalties. The letter was posted to the IGES website and later removed and replaced with a note saying it had been “inadvertently posted.”

Chairman Smith: “IGES appears to be almost fully funded by taxpayer money while simultaneously participating in partisan political activity by requesting a RICO investigation of companies and organizations that disagree with the Obama administration on climate change. In fact, IGES has reportedly received $63 million from taxpayers since 2001, comprising over 98 percent of its total revenue during that time.”

In light of the non-profit’s decision to remove the controversial letter from its website, Smith directs IGES to preserve “all e-mail, electronic documents, and data created since January 1, 2009, that can be reasonably anticipated to be subject to a request for production by the Committee.”

The full letter can be found here.

h/t to Mike Bastasch for the PR from the House

Also today, I have been given some materials obtained by attorney Chris Horner of CEI, who made a request to The Virginia Governor’s Office for materials related to Shukla and IGES/COLA. Props to the Virginia Governor’s Office, as they responded very quickly to the request.


Of most interest is a document that answers the question I raised yesterday about what, if any, separation exists between the Shukla family enterprises IGES and COLA, especially since it was announced (in place of the disappeared letter) that IGES would be dissolved while COLA was getting NSF grants active through 2017. This is what replaced the disappeared letter to Obama:


The Schedule A attached to the 2012 through 2015 Statement of Economic Interests from COLA director James Kinter removes any doubt about any separation of IGES/COLA, and further, since the last dated Schedule A was of May 31st of this year, it suggests that “dissolution” of IGES really wasn’t in the cards at all:

Kinter Schedule A 2015
Kinter Schedule A 2014
Kinter Schedule A 2013
Kinter Schedule A 2012

Above, 2015 through 2012 (top to bottom)  Schedule A’s from Kinter.

Source: FOIA obtained documents – PDF’s are linked below:

Horner, Chris – Horner Law – GMU Professor Request

Sec Commonwealth GMU Faculty Statements of Economic Interests Records Request

Kinter, James – SOEI – 2012

Kinter, James – SOEI – 2013

Kinter, James – SOEI – 2014

Kinter, James – SOEI – 2015

Shukla, Jagadish – SOEI – 2012

Shukla, Jagadish – SOEI – 2013

Shukla, Jagadish – SOEI – 2014

Shukla, Jagadish – SOEI – 2015

Note: shortly after publication this story was edited to correct the order of and some captions of the Kinter Schedule A screencaps

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Leon Brozyna
October 1, 2015 11:29 am

Popcorn futures are exploding …

October 1, 2015 11:33 am

Is this the long awaited ” smoking gun” of the CAGW disinformation campaign?
What more proof could anyone need that these guys get the results they are paid to get, and push only that point of view which assures continued funding?

Reply to  menicholas
October 2, 2015 11:45 am

I sure hope so. I think everyone who has been fighting this hoax (including myself) would love to get back to their lives. I cannot begin to imagine the amount of wasted time, energy, and resources this issue has sucked up. Government expenditures we have an estimate – but not for the rest of us…
Was the battle worth it? Absolutely. But I sure can’t wait to see it come to an end.

Adrian O
Reply to  4TimesAYear
October 3, 2015 2:54 am

I feel the same. This has taken a lot of time off my work, QFT.
But how can one let a bunch of crooks take over our science and economy?
If we did nothing, it would mean that everything and everybody was for sale now…

October 1, 2015 11:34 am

This is too rich.

Reply to  leon0112
October 1, 2015 3:22 pm

yes,apparently $63 million rich, all taxpayers money. I can say RICO!

Ben of Houston
October 1, 2015 11:38 am

Just being a contrarian here.
How does this prove anything about IGES and COLA? Yes, they are completely interrelated. However, there is nothing here that cannot be explained by saying that they are completely interrelated and redundant, so they are planning to shut down the IGES side while maintaining COLA (possibly to simplify management and paperwork), but are in no rush to do so since there was no reason to hurry. It seems to me that this is an extremely weak and tangential line of reasoning that doesn’t amount to much of anything.
Focus on the accusations of corruption and nepotism. The 800k annual salary and entire board full of Shuklas with next to no results for the millions received. This is just diluting your argument

Reply to  Ben of Houston
October 1, 2015 11:54 am

Grants at one time flowed through IGES to COLA. Now grants bypass IGES and go directly to GMU and COLA.
It’s almost as if someone recognized the inappropriate nature of the previous arrangement and shut it down.

pat michaels
Reply to  lokenbr
October 1, 2015 12:53 pm

State employees may not be compensated by another employer for work that falls under their state employee remit. In this case that would include scientific research by a Professor (a state employee).

Reply to  lokenbr
October 1, 2015 1:19 pm

Mr. Michaels, you make a very good point, and I. I think that this point should be made strongly and repeatedly in all future posts. Without this statement to tie it together, it appears to be grasping at straws.

Reply to  lokenbr
October 1, 2015 1:48 pm

Steve McIntyre has excerpts from NSF and GMU policy. That may be the better resource to use. http://climateaudit.org/2015/09/28/shuklas-gold/

Reply to  lokenbr
October 1, 2015 2:02 pm

So the University would have been right to shut him down, insisting that future grant money go to directly to them. Either way they were content to let the past alone. That may come back to bite them. Who knew what?
After this hits the WSJ, it will be interesting to see how GMU responds.

Reply to  lokenbr
October 1, 2015 3:03 pm

GMU issued an announcement on 5/10/2013 that COLA was ‘joining the University’. Hard to know what that means beyond seeing that the 2014 NSF grant flowed through GMU to COLA rather than flowing through IGES.

Reply to  lokenbr
October 1, 2015 9:19 pm

It would appear that there’s about $31.5 million in overhead (1/2 of 63 million) that should have gone to GMU, but the grants were run through the consulting company, in clear violation of the rules for state employees. This is money that the taxpayers of Virginia had to pony up instead.
IGES’ Form 990 shows Shukla worked 28 hours per week for it. That can only happen if the Dean approves an overage beyond the eight hours allowed.
GMU’s faculty Dean had to know about the magnitude of the money flowing through IGES and into the Shukla family.
GMU’s Provost had to know this, because no Dean would permit that all that overhead to not go to the university on his or her own.
Perhaps the President knew.
NSF had to know this.
NOAA had to know this.
NASA had to know this.
Apparently each one of these entities felt they were above the law. You may be looking at the largest science scandal in US history.

DD More
Reply to  Ben of Houston
October 1, 2015 11:57 am

Psychological operations (psych-ops or psy-ops)
Which refer to the planned use of psychological knowledge to influence the behavior of groups, organizations or populations. Although associated with guerilla warfare, rebellion and subversion; many marketing and political strategies include psych-ops techniques … including office politics and social engineering.
Peacetime applications of psych-ops are perhaps most evident in political election campaigns. Common techniques used to influence public attitude and opinion are:
– using radio and television to distort events
– manufacturing “news” in staged events
– recruiting and using opinion leaders and media figures
– adjusting appeals to group interests (e.g. trade unions)
Psychological operations have maximum effect with people who:
– have little education
– accept information uncritically
– benefit from the proposed change
– want to believe the propaganda
– do not wish to understand their own motivations
Psychological operations are also used by anti-nuclear groups, women’s rights activists, pro-abortion and anti-abortion groups, gun-control lobbies, supporters of capital punishment, senior citizen groups, and small political organizations. Recent advances of electronic media (e.g. internet and cell phones) greatly expand the influence of psych-ops efforts.
Create effective propaganda that changes attitudes This is achieved if people identify with a new or changed mission. Propaganda is used to extend this identification to increase popular support for a mission and provide points of convergence for transformative action.

The Institute for Propaganda Analysis (IPA) was created in 1937 to alert the public to political propaganda. The IPA identified seven basic propaganda tricks: Name-Calling, Glittering Generalities, Transfers, Testimonials, Plain Folks, Card Stacking, and Band Wagon. According to Combs and Nimmo (1993), “these seven devices have been repeated so frequently in lectures, articles and textbooks ever since that they have become … synonymous with the practice and analysis of propaganda.”

Propaganda Teams
Form Propaganda Teams by selecting and training persuasive, motivated people, who move within an organization and encourage people to support the organizational mission. Trained Propaganda Teams can provide a multi-stage persuasion program that integrates strategic planning with organizational attitudes. Propaganda Teams can also provide feedback about rumors and attitude changes. This role is fulfilled by secret police in authoritarian societies.

Psychological operations have maximum effect with people who:
– have little education
– accept information uncritically
– benefit from the proposed change
– want to believe the propaganda
– do not wish to understand their own motivations
How many of the ‘maximum effect’ check marks to you have?

Reply to  DD More
October 1, 2015 12:00 pm

DD More

Psychological operations have maximum effect with people who:
– have little education
– accept information uncritically
– benefit from the proposed change
– want to believe the propaganda
– do not wish to understand their own motivations
How many of the ‘maximum effect’ check marks to (sic) you have?

How many of the ‘maximum effect’ check marks to you do ALL of the government-paid academic-alarmist CAGW have in common?

Reply to  DD More
October 2, 2015 11:49 am

Oh, Witch Doctor Al Gore, et al, have been making use of this from the start: https://twitter.com/4TimesAYear/status/649293372272832512

Reply to  Ben of Houston
October 1, 2015 11:59 am

Well said. Keep your eyes on the pea, ladies and gentlemen! Side issues will lead to losing focus.

Caligula Jones
Reply to  bernie1815
October 1, 2015 12:20 pm

This is like trying to hide a bowling ball under a doily…

Reply to  Ben of Houston
October 1, 2015 12:18 pm

My guess is that it will be downplayed like climategate and Rajendra Pachauri and the press will attempt to bury it with hurricanes, “hottest year evah”, scary predictions, etc..
That will be the politically correct action.

John Peter
Reply to  Dawtgtomis
October 1, 2015 1:00 pm

Congress can stem the flow of $s if they have evidence of criminal activity. This is different with majorities in both houses and an election coming up. Obama have hands full with Putin making a fool of him in Syria now. Where is the guts and Regan attitude. Forget about Climate change and focus on USA’s standing and our security.

Reply to  Dawtgtomis
October 1, 2015 1:59 pm

Perhaps he wants a war to stay in office…

Reply to  Dawtgtomis
October 1, 2015 3:09 pm

Congressman Lamar Smith has many incentives to hunt this down. Malfeasance by NSF, NOAA, NASA concerning research grants. Probable criminal diversion, at least of the $100,000. Probable violation of Virginia law about its employees. And then the RICO demand by the perps, including Trenberth, a NOAA NCAR employee. Don’t think this is going away any time soon.

michael hart
Reply to  Dawtgtomis
October 1, 2015 5:02 pm

For the life of me, I still can’t understand why Trenberth would have signed that letter.

Reply to  Dawtgtomis
October 1, 2015 5:24 pm

Trenberth may have some positives in his favor. I sometimes see that he can be a scientist first. He had some links to Bob’s El nino articles on his website but took them down right after Bob thanked him for being open minded. So much for that. And he got all pissed off at Pielke Jr. for basically saying things about extreme weather not being affected by “Climate Change TM” that were identical to what the IPCC has said so he does show lack of good sense often.

Reply to  Dawtgtomis
October 1, 2015 10:50 pm

“For the life of me, I still can’t understand why Trenberth would have signed that letter.”
Well, he’s not the sharpest pencil in the box. Maybe he’s going a bit senile and not liking the fact that his purportedly distinguished career has turned out to be a pile of steaming crap.
But wait, there’s more … of them. Thousands.
…. and then there’s the useful idiots who believed them. Probably millions of people “combatting climate change” – zero parts per million of CO2 at a time.
I don’t feel sorry for them. I’ll still be laughing at them 20 years from now.

Reply to  Dawtgtomis
October 2, 2015 6:44 am

When this story of the letter first came out I said Trenberth would regret why he signed that letter. Things are moving faster than I previously thought. We may have hit the tipping point!

Reply to  Ben of Houston
October 1, 2015 1:32 pm

So, you want us to split the hairs ~for~ them? Nah, I want to see them make that argument with a straight face.

October 1, 2015 11:54 am


Myron Mesecke
October 1, 2015 11:59 am

I wonder how if any investigation will end? “It’s only wrong if your side does it, it’s fine if our side does it.”

Reply to  Myron Mesecke
October 1, 2015 12:14 pm

I’m suggesting that someone may have known it was wrong. If they were shutting down IGES as Shukla says, then the question is why? Why would he give up something that proved so lucrative to himself, family & friends?
Unfortunately for them, they did not shut it down fast enough…and now must answer some tough questions.

James Bradley
Reply to  lokenbr
October 1, 2015 1:23 pm

The RICO letter to Obama is dated September 2015, the shutdown statement from IGES suggests the shutdown was implemented in June 2015. The thing is – scientists don’t think like coppers and every touch leaves a trace. The IGES shutdown notice after their RICO request to Obama went south real quick was a hasty – “oops we screwed the pooch, let’s hope no one notices and they stop asking more questions about our funding if we make em believe it was a mistake and we were already closed.”
Pride goeth before a fall and there is nothing more prideful than a senior academic who believes in the right to a lifestyle at the expense of all others who are not senior academics.
Those who are prideful are most at risk from those who are not senior academics and who have a personal axe to grind.

unknown generic
Reply to  lokenbr
October 1, 2015 10:21 pm

So as a IGES insider, i have to say that there is far too much speculation about this matter that is just flat out false. IGES was being dissolved for personal reasons mainly because Shukla’s wife, the business office manager, did not want to handle all the administrative work any longer. The compromise was for IGES to be absorbed by GMU so that COLA would be its own department attached closely to the AOES department, which some employees of IGES already held professorships with. This is an odd uproar and its pretty weak evidence of anything nefarious. It was a personal and logical move to not layoff a bunch of employees, maintain continuity, and gain an entire administrative body that would handle the paper work involved in grant management.
If you think the amount of grant money that IGES researchers were awarded is excessive, thats an entirely different opinion. But lets not frame this as a malicious, shady dealing. We have to have more integrity than to resort to baseless speculation.

Reply to  lokenbr
October 1, 2015 10:44 pm

unknown generic October 1, 2015 at 10:21 pm

So as a IGES insider, i have to say that there is far too much speculation about this matter that is just flat out false. IGES was being dissolved for personal reasons mainly because Shukla’s wife, the business office manager, did not want to handle all the administrative work any longer.

So as an IGES outsider, I have to say that I find this explanation highly unlikely. IGES was a large organization bringing in millions of dollars in grants, and paying its employees quite handsomely. It is extremely rare for such an organization to fold their tent simply because the office manager wants to resign.
They simply hire another office manager, duh.
The fact that they were that unwilling to have someone else come in and start handling the money and the information would lead me to wonder if a full-scale audit might be in order …
As a result, I’d need a bunch of evidence to convince me that your explanation is the correct one. It may be correct … but on my planet it’s very unlikely.

Steve McIntyre
Reply to  lokenbr
October 2, 2015 6:39 am

In my comments on another thread, I pointed out that recent grants had been in the name of George Mason rather than IGES and that Anthony’s prior post about continuation of IGES was, in my opinion, incorrec “unknown generic” observes that IGES was winding down and expresses puzzlement at some of the comments. For what it’s worth, I think that there is evidence that they were planning to wind IGES down. One of the sections in my post was “Migration to George Mason”. I believe that there are important issues here, but all the more reason to be precise.

NZ Willy
October 1, 2015 12:03 pm

If anyone should be hit with RICO lawsuits, it should be them, the gravy-train AGWers.

Reply to  NZ Willy
October 1, 2015 2:33 pm

No, no, a thousand times no. While that might sound superficially reasonable, do you seriously want the US Government deciding scientific issues? Beware of what you wish for.
Me, I wish that scientific questions be decided by the scientific method—put your brilliant idea out there complete with data and code, hand around the hammers, and invite your worst enemies to try to break it …

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
October 1, 2015 2:54 pm

I agree with you in general but when they get paid for the same research from different government agencies at the same time they are committing fraud, I

General P. Malaise
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
October 1, 2015 3:18 pm

it should not be RICO, but it is obviously fraud and the warmers who are engaging in it should be jailed and sued by local prosecutors. the federal government is definitely the wrong way to go for anything.
that said since all the fraudsters are on the same side as many government officials I don’t see it realistically going anywhere. the Mark Stein case with the hockey sticker guy shows that from a societal standpoint we are in a “tight spot”
basically the rule of law in the USA is dead. it is cronyism and we are not the cronies.
what is missing here is the root of all of this …IT IS NOT ABOUT CLIMATE. IT IS ABOUT CONTROL.
I continually see the skeptics run circles around the fraudsters yet we are still losing. ASK any school kid what is happening and they will tell you the earth is warming and it is the fault of humans. actually ask any university student and you get the same answer.
until the root is addressed (and I don’t see that happening) then we will eventually find ourselves interred or killed. severe yes but what do you think will happen? that they will leave you alone. really does anyone think they will leave you alone.

average joe
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
October 1, 2015 3:39 pm

Willis I don’t want my tax dollars used to fund research on a willy-nilly basis! A thousand times no! The only research the federal government should fund is that which they have the resources to closely monitor the work, and analyze the results. Where it is made crystal clear to researchers that whoever funds the work, owns the results! If academics want freedom from supervision, they can damn well do it on their own nickel. Not on the government dime! Currently 90% of government funded research is a complete waste of money and needs to be cut. Since climate research consumes about 90% of gov research funds all we need to do is cut it to near zero, and problem solved!

Rob Ricket
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
October 1, 2015 5:35 pm

This is not (as you assert) a scientific issue. We are dealing with graft and the theft of tax payer funds as exemplified by runaway nepotism.
Also note that “Science Hearings” occur on a regular basis in Congress.

sysiphus /
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
October 1, 2015 6:06 pm

It is startling to me that brilliant minds like W. Eschenbach can miss so much,

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
October 1, 2015 8:56 pm

Gentlemen, you miss my meaning. This is why I ask people to quote my words. I said that using RICO against scientists is is a very bad idea. I said NOTHING about anything but that. Nothing about fraud. Nothing about double-dipping. Nothing about tax dollars. Nothing about doing “research on a willy-nilly basis”.
I said, and I hold, that using or even threatening to use RICO against scientists is industrial-strength stupid. You’ve already seen that very threat coming back to bite them in the ass, and now you think it’s a good plan to repeat the threat?
sysiphus / October 1, 2015 at 6:06 pm

It is startling to me that brilliant minds like W. Eschenbach can miss so much,

Sorry, my friend, but it is you who missed my meaning.

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
October 1, 2015 10:48 pm

“I said, and I hold, that using or even threatening to use RICO against scientists is industrial-strength stupid.”

How about using the Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organizations (RlCO) statute against a constellation of corrupt organizations consisting of “scientists” who’ve spent the last several decades perpetrating theft of value by deception (i.e., criminal fraud) in their funding grant applications, in their publications and other promulgations, and even – arguably – in peculation pertinent to expenditures from their grant funds?
They’re certainly organized (if the Climategate e-mail tranches show nothing else, they surely show indications of that), they’re certainly utterly and completely corrupt, and it’s not too much of a stretch to classify them as running a racket.
It’s not “scientists” who’d be pursued were the RICO statute invoked to discommode and otherwise punish these alarmist liars, thieves, and predators, but rather malefactors of arguable criminal mens rea, just as RICO prosecutions against Mafia and Narcotrafficante money-laundering bankers isn’t an “industrial-strength stupid” attack on the financial industry as a whole.

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
October 1, 2015 9:28 pm

Why would filing a RICO suit against people, who are paid by taxpayer dollars, and who are colluding to obstruct/corrupt the scientific method in order to advance and advocate for policies to be enforced under color of law, be a bad idea? How would that lead to “the US government deciding scientific issues”? Please clarify.
In the couple of successful RICO suits I’m familiar with, the “government” (meaning the federal court) only decided whether or not corruption was involved in the particular endeavor, and made no decisions as to the merit of the endeavor itself, unless the endeavor itself was already illegal (e.g. selling street drugs).

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
October 1, 2015 10:10 pm

Sorry Willis
The U.S. Government is already deciding scientific issues..NASA, NOAA, EPA, FDA, etc., etc.,. What are you talking about? They are mostly deciding many scientific issues in a very biased way. So, what is your point?

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
October 1, 2015 10:24 pm

Ok Willis, I quote your words and repeat my comment:
Willis Eschenbach October 1, 2015 at 2:33 pm
No, no, a thousand times no. While that might sound superficially reasonable, do you seriously want the US Government deciding scientific issues? Beware of what you wish for.
Dahlquist October 1, 2015 at 10:10 pm
Sorry Willis
The U.S. Government is already deciding scientific issues..NASA, NOAA, EPA, FDA, etc., etc.,. What are you talking about? They are mostly deciding many scientific issues in a very biased way. So, what is your point?

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
October 1, 2015 10:49 pm

Dahlquist October 1, 2015 at 10:10 pm

Sorry Willis
The U.S. Government is already deciding scientific issues..NASA, NOAA, EPA, FDA, etc., etc.,. What are you talking about? They are mostly deciding many scientific issues in a very biased way. So, what is your point?

Thanks, Dahlquist. Yes, NOAA and the rest are making scientific choices … but that is very, very different from the Justice Department making scientific judgements as to what is “bad science”, and using the legal system to punish people who they deem to be “bad scientists”.
Again I say, you can see the revulsion with which their attempt to use RICO has been met on most sides … why on Earth would you want to advocate RICO as well?

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
October 1, 2015 10:58 pm

msbehavin’ October 1, 2015 at 9:28 pm

Why would filing a RICO suit against people, who are paid by taxpayer dollars, and who are colluding to obstruct/corrupt the scientific method in order to advance and advocate for policies to be enforced under color of law, be a bad idea? How would that lead to “the US government deciding scientific issues”?

Thank, ms. Look. The 20 scientists want the US to file a RICO suit against scientists, some of whom are paid by taxpayer dollars, and who they think are colluding to obstruct/corrupt the scientific method in order to oppose the crucial actions needed to save the world from global warming.
To make a choice between the two, or to act against either group (skeptics or alarmists), the US legal system would have to get involved in the scientific process, and make scientific judgements as to who is right or wrong.
Perhaps you think getting the legal system mixed up with the scientific process would be a good idea … me, I hate lawyers like poison, and I think having the US Department of Injustice involved in the scientific process is a horrible, terrible, really bad idea, no matter which side wants it. That way lies madness.

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
October 1, 2015 11:13 pm

“and invite your worst enemies to try to break it …” Exactly! It should be hard wired in to every PhD recipient and it should be a basic understanding for every HS graduate who aspires to any degree of literacy about science.

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
October 2, 2015 4:45 am

Isn’t that what’s happening now?…Deciding scientific research? To me, that’s a major part of the problem. NO ONE is funding the other side of the CAGW view.

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
October 2, 2015 5:56 am

Although I don’t want to see RICO used against the CAGW crowd, it’s more because I see it as abuse of the law, using it for harassment of one’s opponents. Also,with respect, I have to disagree about the US Government deciding scientific issues–that’s exactly what I want them to do regarding Ebola, vaccines, electromagnetic field “cancer”, etc. Sometimes, you need somebody to make a decision. While they’re not perfect, I can’t think of anyone better to do it.

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
October 2, 2015 7:01 am

do you seriously want the US Government deciding scientific issues?
they already do, by funding research in specific directions and not in others, often for political reasons – for example to create jobs in specific areas or to bring in large political donations to fund re-election campaigns.
For example, I get a grant to do scientific research. I donate a good percentage of that back to the political party in power. What are the chances of securing further grants? Now if my area of research is aligned with the policies of the political party approving my grants, if I’m conducting research to “prove” them right, what are the chances of securing further grants?
How about if my research is to prove the parties policies wrong? For example would the Democrats look favorably on research to prove Climate Change isn’t happening, given that harmful Climate Change is a major plant in party policy?

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
October 2, 2015 8:56 am

General P. Malaise: I agree with the colonel of your argument, but I think you meant “interned or killed”. Being interred without being killed is bury bury uncomfortable.

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
October 2, 2015 1:20 pm

Willis , thanks for the clarification of your perspective..
My perspective is similar to what Tucci78 October 1, 2015 at 10:48 pm said. I don’t see the court “deciding the science” any more than I saw it deciding whether or not elephants should perform in circuses.(Ringling Bros. V, HSUS). At least with the science of medicine , one could sue for malpractice. Ditto for an Engineer.
Unlike you, however, I’ve also met some honorable and competent lawyers over the years. I have even less faith in Congress (Democrat or Republican), than you have in lawyers.

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
October 2, 2015 7:57 pm

I do agree that using RICO as a means to pursue and prosecute this lawlessness and abuse of the U.S. taxpayers and citizens may not be an appropriate means of prosecuting this all, but it needs to be prosecuted, either way. I think “RICO” in this debate may be overused and overemphasized in all this mess, but “Prosecution” of these abuses is necessary, however it is accomplished.
In what way would you be satisfied with separating the science from the crimes and abuses? It is inseparable. There are very many cases of scientific issues being introduced into trials and prosecutions where expert witnesses bring their expertise and experience into witness testimony for the judge or jury and the evidence is very appropriately presented and well understood in most cases.
I would rather a Justice Dept. prosecution than a Congressional inquiry…Or both. Congress would, as is the usual case these days, be incompetent and without any teeth. All of us reasonable, everyday citizens of this country are becoming very tired and angry with the incompetence/ injustice/ stupidity/ wasteful/ racist/ idiotic/ weak/ traitorous/ abusive, etc., etc., abuse of power and office of all of our branches of government…Judicial, legislative and our special Executive branch with our Special King of stupidity, who has thrown a wrench into every aspect of anything respectable our Constitution and beliefs as a people that we stand for. Rant…. And considering these issues, it should be a very strong prosecution, with all of the rights of the accused respected, but prosecuted thoroughly and to the fullest extent considering the abuse of the taxpayers and trust we have placed in these people, which they have abused so callously, to the extent of actually abusing their position and status to directly petition the President of the United States to persecute their opposition in our free society, within which they themselves operate so freely and believe themselves safe from the same form of oppression.
Anyway, before anyone in these abuses is prosecuted, the most important thing is, is to wait for this President to be out of power so that he cannot pardon any of these criminals and allow them to walk away scott free.

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
October 2, 2015 8:13 pm

Oops, forgot to provide a link to the RICO case I cited.
http://www.ringlingbrostrialinfo.com/ RTWT
In this case, several well known animal rights groups got together and sued Ringling Bros. over alleged mistreatment of its elephants.(intending to make a much broader case against keeping elephants for use in entertainment activities) Ringling countersued under the RICO Act and prevailed.
As we can see ,one doesn’t need to be a “mobster” ,per se, to be prosecuted under the RICO statute, as paying a witness through a roundabout way of funneling the money is one of the crimes that sunk (mainly, as this is what the various organizations’ principal actors eventually morphed into) HSUS’s case.
Also , collusion among the various groups and the “evolution” of those groups (in order to hide their illegally collusive activities) was a factor. This case also took place in Virginia but the whole thing took 14 years to resolve, just last year.

October 1, 2015 12:06 pm

All that swamp gas, and then the silly bastids get to playing with matches.
Anybody else familiar with Niven’s First Law?

Reply to  Tucci78
October 1, 2015 2:11 pm

That made me think of Marvin the Martian: “Oh goody! My illudium Q32 Space Modulator! (BOOM)

October 1, 2015 12:10 pm

Absent any information regarding the accomplishments or useful products from the massive grants in question, one wonders what the taxpayer gets for the annual budget for climate change of $20+ billion dollars ($21.408 billion in 2014) .
One suspects it is full of fraud and waste subsidizing a good life style of many aligned with the agenda.
Along the same lines can anyone help me understand the benefits derived from the $9.9 billion annual budget of the DOE. Have they funded anything that has provided a significant energy breakthrough? Compare that with the enormous energy impact from private business provided via fracking.

Reply to  Catcracking
October 1, 2015 12:12 pm
Reply to  Catcracking
October 1, 2015 1:27 pm

Interesting choice of words.

Reply to  Catcracking
October 1, 2015 2:21 pm

Used to be, the space race was the biggest contributor to our emerging tech. Now the resources and brainpool are redirected to fighting climate change, so real scientific progress has been slowed considerably.
Where in the world do they get the notion that fighting climate change is easier and wiser than adapting to climate change

Reply to  Dawtgtomis
October 1, 2015 2:45 pm

I have to question your use of “brainpool” because, in my humble opinion, those conducting the research to fight climate change are far from being the best and the brightest.

Reply to  Dawtgtomis
October 1, 2015 3:24 pm

Agreed. there seems to be a different kind of zeal here, a monetary one.

Reply to  Dawtgtomis
October 1, 2015 3:51 pm

As many, many articles on this site have shown in conclusion, AGW types are either IQ knuckle draggers or a bright but thoroughly corrupt, unscrupulous and scamming lot interested only in monetary extortion from the taxpayer.

average joe
Reply to  Dawtgtomis
October 1, 2015 3:52 pm

Climate research is the only field I am aware of, where results are concluded prior to entering the field, and then once in, the research seeks only to prove the preconceived notions. For example, the thought processes of people entering this field goes like this: “Dumping all of that CO2 into the atmosphere has just GOT to be bad. I’m going into climate research to prove that it is, and thereby I will help save the world! Finally I know my true calling in life.”

Reply to  Catcracking
October 2, 2015 5:23 am

Being a gummint agency, I would be they feel that their primary mission is to control things, and has nothing to do with innovation/discovery, etc.

Walt The Physicist
October 1, 2015 12:11 pm

The funding organizations should’ve monitored spending of the funds as well as the work performed. Why don’t we all focus on the funding agencies as they are the root and the cause of what is happening in science (not only climate science) these days. Read Leo Szilard’s The Mark Gable Foundation… And Shukla is just a tip of the iceberg.

Reply to  Walt The Physicist
October 1, 2015 12:17 pm

Indeed. I have a feeling the Committee on science, sparce & technology is just getting started.
– Get a picture of whats going on at IGES and COLA
– From there, go up the food chain
– Find other NGOs or Non-Profits who have done the same
– Dismantle the gravy train
I’m sure there are many more steps than that and perhaps I am day dreaming of unicorns and somehow this will all disappear into a /dev/null black hole.

Reply to  CBeaudry
October 2, 2015 10:21 am

I definitely agree, that when it comes to AGW, the science is sparse.

average joe
Reply to  Walt The Physicist
October 1, 2015 3:54 pm

Hey Walt, +1000!

Reply to  Walt The Physicist
October 1, 2015 7:51 pm

The funds came from people like YOU. Why don’t we focus on that?
Will you accept any responsibility for the harm done on your dime?
Do you want someone superior to you to absolve you of your failure to mind your own business? Or is it that you merely want a goat to blame?
Since that’s what you are paying for- it’s self evident that it’s what you want to buy.
Thus, nothing has changed; nothing will change; the outcome is exactly what one should expect.
You feed corruption, you breed corruption. If you didn’t want corruption, you would not buy it wholesale.
Bring on the craven alibis, now. Trade them like pokemon cards.
Where excuses are acceptable currency, fraud is the economy.
Nothing will change; the outcome is exactly what one should expect.

Reply to  Walt The Physicist
October 2, 2015 6:02 am

The funding organizations should’ve monitored spending of the funds as well as the work performed.
In my experience with such agencies that’s exactly what they do, we always had to submit annual reports and itemize all spending, any divergence from the proposal of more than a few percent required permission. In addition we had a regular (every 5 years) audit, for example during one of those audits I was asked to justify why I had sole sourced a particular item 4 years before. Because of my detailed records I was able to successfully do so. I am aware of three cases like this including this one, two of which resulted in disciplinary and legal action, the common denominator was the existence of an outside company through which the faculty member was able to channel outside funds (in the case I’m most familiar with in contravention of university regulations). Abuse of this type is much less likely when the funding is channeled through the university.

October 1, 2015 12:14 pm

What has happened to science standing on it’s own merits?
one pill makes you larger…
….one pill makes you small
Either it does….or it doesn’t

Reply to  Latitude
October 1, 2015 2:35 pm

Lovely example,

Reply to  Latitude
October 1, 2015 3:06 pm

> Either it does….or it doesn’t
You probably took the ones your mother gave you

Reply to  AndyL
October 1, 2015 3:32 pm

Do you think shukla might have thought he was ten feet tall?

Reply to  Latitude
October 1, 2015 5:04 pm

And the saddest and worse thing are “the pills that don’t do anything at all”.

October 1, 2015 12:20 pm

Shukla must have known that the RICO letter would draw attention to his lavishly-funded and oddly-staffed organization. So, why did he do it? My guess is that someone on high asked/told him to do it, at the risk of funding loss. The other signers were presumably feeding at the same trough, which will likely be investigated in due time.

Reply to  adam
October 1, 2015 12:47 pm

There’s a variant of Occam’s Razor that goes like this: Don’t ascribe malicious intent when simple stupidity will suffice.
The self-righteous nearly always fail to see the faults in themselves they think they see in others.

Silver ralph
Reply to  adam
October 1, 2015 12:49 pm

Ego. After twenty years sucking the government teat, and getting more and more powerful and influential, people get overconfident. They convince themselves that ‘this is the way it is done’, ‘I am invulnerable’, ‘I can never be caught’, ‘and if I am I shall shout ‘bias’ ‘. And so they forget they are living on the edge, or beyond the edge.
There was a commercial pilot a few years back, on passenger jet routes, who started flexing his muscles and pushing his weight around. And in his over confidence he forgot one basic but vital point – he did not have a licence. He was not a pilot, although he had been flying commercial jets for ten years. The eventual result was five police cars around the aircraft. Why did he get so overconfident? Ego.

Reply to  adam
October 1, 2015 1:15 pm

Whom the Gods would destroy they first make mad!

Reply to  adam
October 1, 2015 1:55 pm

I think it may be simply that as the world fails to warm (or, better, demonstrate negative effects from the posited warming), perhaps the grant money is flowing less earnestly. That would be a problem for IGES, GISS, NCDC (I keep forgetting their new name). If they could get the skeptics shut up, that might help keep the money flowing. What could possibly go wrong? Perhaps they underestimated our powers of observation. 🙂

Reply to  Ric Werme
October 1, 2015 5:06 pm

@ Ric by now they would not give a rat’s behind they have collected ( if proven) 63 mil in the past 14 years that is over 4 mil a year for them and their families.

average joe
Reply to  adam
October 1, 2015 4:10 pm

adam, I know many professors, and in general the brainier they are the more lacking in common sense as well. Many struggle with accepting experimental data that differs from their theoretical conclusions, because they cannot believe that they can be wrong. Chances are when it comes to street smarts Shukla is dummer than a fence post. How I relish watching this play out! Perhaps there is a god after all 🙂

D.J. Hawkins
Reply to  adam
October 1, 2015 4:31 pm

“Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall”. Proverbs 16:18 (KJV)

October 1, 2015 12:21 pm

The real irony here: RICO – Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations. I think this episode is shedding a lot of light on what is truly a Corrupt Organization.

Reply to  RCase
October 1, 2015 1:02 pm

Why don’t “skeptics” demand RICO prosecution of warmist organizations?
They are much more “organized” and able to “influonce”/

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  Rascal
October 1, 2015 2:39 pm

I think it’s because sceptics don’t jump the gun and make random demands upon others.
Sceptics research the application of RICO, weather it applies, and considers the likelyhood of a government department investigating another government department and finding anything.
Sceptics are far more pragmatic.

Reply to  Rascal
October 1, 2015 4:22 pm

Rascal, sooner or later, the truth comes out.

October 1, 2015 12:23 pm

It sure is a huge racket… Largest ever. With trillions at stake. I would call it racketeering, no doubt about it. But who’s gonna prosecute someone for trying to “save the world”?. It gets murky there.

Reply to  Dahlquist
October 1, 2015 1:15 pm

The world has been in this shape (or worse) many times before, and managed to pull through!
Ususally with no “help” from man.

Reply to  Rascal
October 1, 2015 4:29 pm

(Or Mann)

John D
Reply to  Dahlquist
October 1, 2015 1:20 pm

If they were only trying to save the world. I assume some are, but not most. I just finished reading Bill Bryson’s A Short History of Nearly Everything. Throughout history, time and time again, scientists trade off decency for fame and ego. I was amazed how many times the major discoveries of famous scientists have a grubby underpinning. Just read about the DNA discovery glory hunt and the role of Rosalind Franklin. The scientists are like many of us, the ego drives and the facts are embellished to support the ego.

Reply to  John D
October 1, 2015 5:10 pm

John D, yes this the one lesson the human race have never learned, so history repeats it self. Can you just imagine what this planet would look like if our egos or power could not corrupt us, We’d be flying among the stars by now.

Brett Keane
Reply to  John D
October 1, 2015 6:18 pm

Though I do suspect feminist types over-egged that pudding. In fact, having read the initial paper releases, I cannot see that it happened. But extremists never follow inconvenient facts.

Reply to  John D
October 2, 2015 11:41 am

Brett, it certainly happened, no over egging needed.

average joe
Reply to  Dahlquist
October 1, 2015 4:20 pm

For me I see the top warmists behavior worse than racketeering, even treason. Their false confidence has damaged national security for developed nations. I would applaud a federal prosecutor bringing charges of treason to a few of the worst offenders.

average joe
Reply to  Dahlquist
October 1, 2015 4:25 pm

Which could well include Obama for his shameful activities in this regard.

October 1, 2015 12:25 pm

One of the interesting things about most I.T. departments.
We tend to back up everything.
Usually to multiple and often off site locations.
So if it should happen that an FOIA request gets met with a “We don’t” have the data on our servers , it was deleted”
Ask for the offsite backups.
The mantra of any good server admin is simple “Yes , I am paranoid, but am I paranoid enough ?”

October 1, 2015 12:26 pm

“IGES has reportedly received $63 million from taxpayers since 2001”
What did it deliver for that sum?

Silver ralph
Reply to  TinyCO2
October 1, 2015 12:56 pm

That is the big question here. Shukla was big on collecting awards, massaging his ego, and burnishing his image – but what did his organisations actually do and produce??
Having seen this all before, my guess is ‘very little’. And what was produced, was probably done on a shoestring budget, while the majority of these grants was being creamed off in executive salaries.
All too comon in certain parts of the world. Check out government aid to Africa, where only 20% ever reaches those in need. Why the West continues funding African corruption, is beyond understanding.

Tom Yoke
Reply to  TinyCO2
October 1, 2015 1:25 pm

An opulent lifestyle for the Shukla family.

Reply to  TinyCO2
October 1, 2015 1:52 pm

COLA has a very long list of publications, that is probably where most of the money went, question is how much was skimmed off for inappropriate purposes, a question that should be put to many charities, such as Oxfam and WWF.

Reply to  climanrecon
October 1, 2015 2:00 pm
Another Ian
Reply to  TinyCO2
October 1, 2015 2:04 pm
Reply to  TinyCO2
October 1, 2015 2:54 pm

See here, p. 9 et seq.

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
October 2, 2015 10:11 am

Hi Willis. The “here” link doesn’t seem to be working. I would love to see what we’ve gotten over the years for all that money…

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
October 2, 2015 10:28 pm

Fixed, try it again.

Reply to  TinyCO2
October 1, 2015 5:17 pm

Thanks for the replies. Are those papers COLA papers or just papers by authors who now work for COLA? eg There are two papers written with Lindzen. Was it a remote co-operation or did they work together?

Reply to  TinyCO2
October 1, 2015 8:42 pm

If we were in a similar situation as was common to the French Revolution I am positive that many, many, many heads would be rolling around in big baskets under the Guillotine. The “common man” is getting really pissed off at all this crap with the government, politicians, special interests, media bias, the idiots running the U.S. who infest the White House, etc., etc,…. Maybe it’s time to invent a modern style Guillotine. Just watch out where you stand…Physically and politically.

Joel Snider
October 1, 2015 12:34 pm

I don’t want to rain on anyone’s parade, but if Climategate wasn’t enough to settle the matter once and for all, why would this be. Seriously, watching them shove the s*** back in the horse back in 2009 was almost stupefying. They did it so well, that same horse has been constipated ever since.
My gut is that things are going to get a lot worse, with no guarantee of getting better.

Reply to  Joel Snider
October 1, 2015 1:39 pm

I tend to agree with you Joe. At issue overall is not really whether the climate is changing it’s the damage being done by junk science to the notions of the average citizen.

Reply to  Joel Snider
October 1, 2015 2:39 pm

Joel, as one of the folks mentioned (unfavorably) in the Climategate emails, and as a somewhat-reformed cowboy, I did bust up at your description of their replumbing of the equine exhaust …

Reply to  Joel Snider
October 1, 2015 2:43 pm

I thought Climategate would have little impact in the long run, but I think I was wrong. I think it greatly contributed to the collapse of the Copenhagen COP, thought the Saudis and Chinese had a bigger role. No COP since then has had the number of heads of state that Copenhagen did.
Also, I think it got many ordinary folks to learn something about the shoddy science involved. WUWT, more than any other blog, picked up a lot of readers and commenters – and kept them.
It will be interesting to see how far this goes – there could be some major repercussions to the entire climate science community and their backers not so much to the RICO letter but to the idea that they want skeptics silenced to protect their cash cow. Especially with with Trenberth involved. Without him people could brush this under the rug more easily, but Trenberth is one of the apex scientists and he’s going to have trouble for a while dissing the skeptics’ community.
Interesting times!

Reply to  Ric Werme
October 1, 2015 6:23 pm

Imagine Trenberth trying to talk about Big Oil funding skeptics now. We will all laugh at him …. and he will know why.

October 1, 2015 12:37 pm

I have yet to see much acknowledgment from the “climate alarmist” community (for want of a better term) over the RICO 20 letter or the accusations that Shukla has misused money and violated the terms of his employment.
But they will have to eventually. I expect that they will claim Shukla is being persecuted.

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  rabbit
October 1, 2015 2:44 pm

Agree; I have yet to read a single troll comment on any of these RICO threads.

Reply to  rabbit
October 2, 2015 6:03 am

Step 1: Ignore
Step 2: When Step 1 fails, Deny
Step 3: When Steps 1 & 2 both fail, claim persecution
Step 4: Point to some other shiny thing.
Rinse and repeat.

Mike the Morlock
October 1, 2015 12:42 pm

There are some jokes which shouldn’t be used. For NASA “Uhoh.”
But I think Hello Houston control we have a problem…. is Okay. And yes, “Houston control you have a problem.”!!!

October 1, 2015 12:43 pm

This current Congress is going to investigate??
Pardon my lack of excitement.

Mike the Morlock
Reply to  Matthew W
October 1, 2015 1:15 pm

Matthew W
a stop gap budget bill was just signed two three days ago? Were funds appropriated to these people?
Did we risk a government shut down for this?

Reply to  Mike the Morlock
October 1, 2015 4:25 pm

That’s my point.

Reply to  Mike the Morlock
October 1, 2015 5:25 pm

The Government cannot get “shut down” all essential services go on. The few people that were shut down were Parks and Recreation businesses etc. This tactic is really wearing thin! ( And all of those that were “shut down” were compensated afterwards including back pay, pay raises and bonuses)

Reply to  Mike the Morlock
October 1, 2015 6:05 pm

October 1, 2015 at 5:25 pm
The Government cannot get “shut down”
Shuts down every Friday

Reply to  Matthew W
October 2, 2015 6:11 am

They’ll investigate. It just won’t be focused on THEM. It will be focused on the accusers.

October 1, 2015 12:48 pm

Better get the tickets to India purchased now.

Duke C.
October 1, 2015 12:49 pm

Is it Jagdish or Jagadish? I’m finding both while checking sources. I think it’s Jagadish.

Reply to  Duke C.
October 1, 2015 2:40 pm

Just two ways of transcribing an Indian name into English. There are more, and he could be using either.

Reply to  kalya22
October 1, 2015 9:04 pm

Or both?? What if he mistakenly had checks issued to both names?? 🙂

October 1, 2015 12:49 pm

Ben of Houston wrote in part (my bold):

Focus on the accusations of corruption and nepotism. The 800k annual salary and entire board full of Shuklas with next to no results for the millions received. This is just diluting your argument

I’m still unclear what we, the taxpayers, have received for 98% of the $63 million in taxpayer funds IGES has received since 2001. Okay, so there may or may not be a little skimming of the cream from these grants by the Shuklas, but even if so, what did we get for the rest of the money?
An earlier post on WUWT said only one paper had been produced. That doesn’t mean much because data gathering, research, and analysis may have taken a lot of people a lot of time to get what was needed for that one paper. So I’m wondering, what do the activity reports for the various grants say? Aren’t the grantees supposed to give an account of the hours spent and some description of the work performed in those hours? Maybe so, maybe not. Perhaps there is just a final deliverable e.g., “You gave me $6 million bucks, here’s the climate model you asked for.”
So I’m with Ben on the nepotism issue. If it’s shown there was some grant-skimming going on through the nepotism, the appropriate penalties should apply. But I’m also interested to find out if e.g., “computer-based research by senior scientists” was actually months and months of shopping on Amazon, playing video games, and watching funny YouTube videos of cats.
What did we get for the rest of the money, besides possibly a not-exactly-in-the-taxpayer’s-name $100,000 donation to a charity in India?

Reply to  H.R.
October 1, 2015 1:01 pm

I think the charity in Shukla’s home town is run by members of his family

Reply to  MangoChutney
October 1, 2015 1:33 pm

Great link. My favorite quotes were:
“The manager of the college is Mr. Shriram Shukla.”
“Gandhi College has another specific purpose. It is to inculcate … the principles of honesty, perseverance and selflessness.” Har.

Reply to  MangoChutney
October 1, 2015 1:41 pm

Two days ago I posted in response to an earlier Shukla article:
“Anybody want to speculate on how many family members in India are employed by the personal Charitable Foundation”.

Berndt Koch
Reply to  H.R.
October 1, 2015 1:24 pm

The paper produced that you mention..
Badger, A. M., and P. A. Dirmeyer. “Climate response to Amazon forest replacement by heterogeneous crop cover.,” Hydrol. Earth Sys. Sci., v.12, 2015, p. 879.
Only P.A. Dirmeyer appears on the list of employees for IGES/COLA as shown in yesterdays posting..
So who is Badger, A.M. ?? and did he receive tax payer funding to write the paper as well?

Lewis P Buckingham
Reply to  Berndt Koch
October 1, 2015 1:56 pm

A M Badgers are thin on the ground in Environmental Research, although some work has been done on a stealth project involving burrowing and underground carbon capture,
‘The Stingray Secret’

Reply to  Berndt Koch
October 1, 2015 3:56 pm

Most likely a graduate student by the order of the names.

Reply to  Berndt Koch
October 2, 2015 6:25 am

Andrew Badger was listed as a graduate teaching assistant on a course at GMU in 2011, so as I surmised he was a grad student.

Reply to  H.R.
October 1, 2015 3:08 pm

And, don’t forget that the institution, George Mason University central administration received an automatic overhead payment of nearly 50% that is paid by the federal government to the host institution of the recipient entity or person. In other words, if professor A from X University gets a million dollar grant, he administrators of X University receive a no-strings-attached payment of half a million on top of the million for professor A.
This is why ‘grantsmanship’ has become an overriding driver of tenure. No grants, no tenure, since you are not producing payola for the X University administrators.
The section of Eisenhower’s farewell address that addressed the Academic-Governmental complex was larger, scarier and completely ignored.
And it’s the same in all areas of science, just think about cholesterol and all that nonsense. The money they sucked up dwarfs the climate money, possibly by an order of magnitude.

Reply to  GlennDC
October 1, 2015 4:01 pm

It doesn’t work like that, some of the charges, such as salaries, constitute ‘indirect costs’ which are subject to overhead. So if there are $100,000 of indirect charges then there will be $50,000 of overhead for a total of $150,000.

Reply to  GlennDC
October 1, 2015 5:49 pm

Indirect rates vary by institution. Sometimes they are 38%, often 50% or more. I’ve got one client at 62.5%, and recently heard of an institution complaining because the grant application form only allowed entry of up to 99% and theirs was higher than that.
This rate applies to nearly all direct costs, not just salaries. Equipment and supplies, as well. There is a limit to indirect rates on subcontracted work, usually applying the indirect calculation only to the first $25k of each contract. So, of course, that part gets gamed as well.
There is also a limit on each salary chargeable to a federal grant; this year, the cap is $183,300 per year and increases each year. For many of university professors, this is less than half of their actual salaries.
===|==============/ Keith DeHavelle

October 1, 2015 12:51 pm

Try Operation Cold Anger, Conservative Treehouse . com. Good identification of many of the players and why there is absolutely no opposition in current mess of (uni-party) politicians. They all are on the take or the make — open borders, fine, gaining trillions in trade; AGW, fine, gaining control of the molecule of life and energy. Thanks for the investigation here.

October 1, 2015 12:57 pm

I really hope this or a similar investigation turns up the fact that Greenpeace alone receives more funding from the Oil industry than what I believe all the skeptics receive combined from all sources.

Reply to  RHS
October 1, 2015 2:51 pm

do you have a link on that? I seem to recall that during the whole mess about PCPs that there was a great deal of money from the chemical companies for environmentalist groups?

Dave in Canmore
October 1, 2015 1:05 pm

I hope what doesn’t get lost in this sideshow is the RICO demands in the first place. Demanding the state remove people with contrary opinion from society places these monsters with the worst actors in all of history. How is this acceptable to any of the institutions these animals work for? The double dipping professor deserves to be investigated but where is the scorn for the others? Where are the protests from peers? Where are the administrators and their code of conduct and ethics policies?
The RICO20 names are added to the dubious role call of others who have advocated the same techniques. Trenberth, Stalin, The Inquisition.

Reply to  Dave in Canmore
October 1, 2015 1:26 pm

“Where are the administrators and their code of conduct and ethics policies?”
Follow the money, also know as Indirect Costs.

October 1, 2015 1:18 pm

Incase Dr. Shukla has not done so already, it is now time to ‘lawyer up’.

Reply to  FerdinandAkin
October 2, 2015 6:16 am

Yeah…I’m sure there are a few lawyers in the family that they can hire, and find a way to have the taxpayers take care of their expenses too.

October 1, 2015 1:31 pm

Funny that there has been total silence from Mosher, Stokes and Zeke!!

M Courtney
Reply to  Paul Homewood
October 1, 2015 2:35 pm

No-one should be expected to defend anyone save themselves, their family, close friends and their mentors/mentees.
The sides aren’t that well defined. We ain’t all buddies.
Just coincident in interests; coincident in understanding of the truth.

Jimmy Haigh
Reply to  Paul Homewood
October 1, 2015 2:36 pm

I noticed that too. Crickets……………..

Reply to  Paul Homewood
October 1, 2015 3:56 pm

Paul, to get that gang here just tie Shukla to temperature adjustments…

Reply to  Paul Homewood
October 1, 2015 5:07 pm

investigate and prosecute. Ive already said the RICO thing was stupid and probably better aimed at Big Green and what it does to corrupt the EPA.
some people forget who caught Glieck.

Reply to  Steven Mosher
October 1, 2015 5:54 pm

I have not forgotten, Mosh

Mike the Morlock
Reply to  Steven Mosher
October 1, 2015 6:52 pm

Steven Mosher
Thank you.

Alan Robertson
October 1, 2015 1:33 pm

Can anyone point to any publicized Congressional investigation of possible criminal activities by Gov’t officials, or related entities in last six years which resulted in any criminal prosecution, at all?

Reply to  Alan Robertson
October 1, 2015 1:47 pm

Not possible withe current or recent AG. Remember one of them was involved in selling pardons, what can we expect.

Reply to  Alan Robertson
October 2, 2015 6:17 am

I’m still waiting for a banker to go to jail.

Reply to  jimmaine
October 2, 2015 10:43 am

Or a governor. Remember it was Cuomo, as head of HUD, that forced Fannie and Freddie to purchase 55% of their mortgages from the “subprime” market. The Federal Government was the creator of that whole market and forced banks to make the garbage mortgages in the first place, i.e., take anybody and give them a mortgage even when they couldn’t realistically afford it. That became essentially a government mandate and the banks reluctantly complied. The mortgage securities market became littered with the garbage mortgages intermingled with good. It all crashed following the month with the largest number of 3 and 5 yr ARM rollovers that couldn’t be paid on regular terms. Sure, bankers made mistakes, but politicians created the whole thing. Even Barney Frank finally admitted it wasn’t such a great idea to force banks to give loans to people that couldn’t afford to pay them…

Reply to  BobM
October 3, 2015 5:03 am

Thank you for the correction and additional info, and yes, I completely agree. Tho I’m not sure how “reluctant” the banks were, given that they now had a guaranteed revenue stream since the subprime loans were backed by the government.
If you want more insight into how all of THAT mess started, go check out Penny Pritzker.

October 1, 2015 1:54 pm

“Congress can stem the flow of $s if they have evidence of criminal activity.”
Hah. Sure they can. You assume that Pelosi and company would do what is right, rather than doing what it is that “their side” wants. Obama and his cohorts in congress called the Constitution’s bluff. Without a supermajority in both houses of congress, Congress has no power whatsoever.
In this case Republicans will demand that funding cease. Democrats will resist it. An impass will happen, and the press will repeat Democrat talking points that republicans are willing to shut down the government to continue to funnel money to Big Oil.

average joe
Reply to  kcrucible
October 1, 2015 6:46 pm

Yep. And that all changes with Trump as commander and chief. It IS going to happen you know. And oh how entertaining it will be. 90% cut in climate research funding. The warmistas will instead be employed to deport illegals. At much lower pay I might add.

October 1, 2015 2:07 pm

Jagdish Shukla Ponzi Scheme quickly unravelling! Checked with DoS, India and Pakistan have extradition treaties with USA. That leaves China for Shukla and family and subbordinates to flee to before DoS contacts DHS (TSA) to confiscate his green-card and visa’s at the border.
The RICO20 and Holdren are going to get black-eyes on this.
Remember that ‘Report Waste Fraud and Abuse NSF’ thingy a few years ago! Woooo!
Calling Major Bang Ding Ow, Major Bang Ding Ow, Urgent. Dis e Major Bang Ding Ow …. Wa Da! Hoooooreeee Fug. Mi To Waite. Mi Out A Her. By By.
Ha ha

October 1, 2015 2:09 pm

I suggest the Hillary approach and don’t show up to congressional hearings when called and start deleting emails and wiping servers now.

Reply to  Resourceguy
October 2, 2015 6:19 am

You mean, like, with a rag?
/sarc off

Gary Pearse
October 1, 2015 2:22 pm

I think we should crowd source a file on the whole thing for use of the Congressional committee:
1) Money, income by source and actors involved, tax returns, 3rd party payments (eg. Shuke’s own foundation, etc.)
2) List of papers published (it should be $63million worth).
3) Tie ins of the signatories to the request for RICOing skeptics (Trenberth!!! chin in this trought, too??)
4) Grant providers, people okaying them, the oversight (or not) on the work on the grant, any perks – holidays in Bali, cruises or some such.

October 1, 2015 2:24 pm

By focusing on IGES/COLA, attention is straying from the real issue. Remember, the RICO letter was given the blessing of some 20 of Shukla’s peers (as in “peer review”). And many in COLA did not even sign the RICO letter – Kinter did not. For the questionable practices to have continued for so long, they had to also be given the blessing of the NSF and other federal agencies. So the root issue lies with those bureaucrats who diverted buckets of taxpayer dollars to parties who, by signing the RICO letter, admit to being passionately tied to the UN’s political agenda – one side of a contentious issue. A light should be shined on how much the same bureaucrats invested in the other side of the issue, in climate efforts that were not predisposed to that agenda. Otherwise, you could eliminate IGES, COLA, and the entire RICO 20. But they would only be replaced by other well wishers.. err.. climate scientists.

Mike the Morlock
October 1, 2015 2:24 pm

kcrucible Maybe. Maybe not. These people are booked for the Paris party. Who is paying? Not all Dems are okay with graft. Many of them work for a living.
Now are they allowed to use grant money to fly off to “GAY PARIE” .
This is about turning the BEAN COUNTERS LOOSE!
They have been pooling grants. They may not have have gotten the okay to do so.
Lets say a grant is approved, you pool money to it Now You have just proven that you did not need the full grant. Also the Orgs that give grants base them on need and ability. Was another app refused based on a false app? Something that would have helped mankind?
anger anger anger.

average joe
Reply to  Mike the Morlock
October 1, 2015 6:53 pm

Don’t apologize for anger. Perfectly warranted here.

October 1, 2015 2:40 pm

He does look a little bit like Lois Lerner.

October 1, 2015 2:43 pm

It seems to me that the principle focus of AGES was lobbying the government for grants both for itself and its associated research centres (probably why Shukla was looked upon so favourably by george mason). Essentially meaning the government was spending money to lobby itself into spending more money on lobbying itself to spend more money.
What this shows is that the government funding agencies are really just focusing on the area of research and not the actual outcome of the funding, unless the outcome they were seeking was more funding for climate science in this case.

Reply to  Tim
October 1, 2015 2:48 pm

I request more funding to study this…um…funding problem !!!!!!

Ryan S.
October 1, 2015 2:49 pm

The RICO inquires, if conducted, would uncover the largest misappropriation of funds in the history of the US. Ironically it will be the clime syndicate that will be brought up on charges.

October 1, 2015 2:56 pm

How many papers did $93 million get us taxpayers in the last 14 years?
I work in a research lab that gets has received about $20 million in that same span and has published about 250 papers. Hard to tell, but looking online it doesn’t seem like these guys publish very much. Would love to know the $$$$/paper

Reply to  MattE
October 1, 2015 3:37 pm

Not all grants are aimed at producing peer reviewed papers. I arranged a $1.8m two year grant from ONR. About $800k to the Center for Applied Energy Research at U. Kentucky for materials development, and $1m to ONR for materials full characterizarion and testing. Output from the beginning was a materials characterizataion report for the Navy and Marine Corp. neber intended to be public. One would have to read the various grant documents to know what the deliverables were.
Did not take a penny for myself, since held the patents. The grant meant I did not have to raise and spend dilutive capital.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  ristvan
October 1, 2015 4:11 pm

ristvan, yeah – Lockheed and General Dynamics do what you are saying. Climate science isn’t building things – well not so much – some buoys and such – but most of this stuff, satellite instruments are generally gov jobs in climate. This ‘discipline’ puts out words. 63 million bucks!! what could they have built for that? No it comes out as words, as reports.

October 1, 2015 3:10 pm

“And the walls came crashing down”
Climategate was not enough, obvious falsification of the temperature record is not even noticed. What will, or could stop the Global Warming juggernaut?
I remember a time, allow me to digress:
Facilitated Communication
This was said to be a means of helping children with severe autism communicate with the outside world. In the 1980s and 1990s, it was most trendy, with large government sums going to groups providing “child care services” in this area. In many states, there were even programs to put severely autistic children in mainstream public schools, constantly accompanied by their paid “Facilitator”. For some, it was a time of great hope, severely disabled children imprisoned by a total inability to communicate, now set free by their “Facilitators”. For others, a time of great doubt. How could children, completely lost in their own world, suddenly know things from The Bible, Shakespeare, and TV shows?
Then It Happened
For reasons still unknown, the autistic children through their facilitators started accusing their fathers of sexual molestation and even rape. The charges were sensational, and as attention was gained, more and more charges were uncovered. All of course, to more attention and sensation. Even, in the state of Maine, one farther was imprisoned on sexual abuse charges. Finally, one brave Attorney General opened an investigation into ” Facilitated Communication” in general. At first, he focused on the “facilitators”, and saw the lie. Then he turned his attention to how, where, and by whom, the “facilitators” were trained. After all, serious charges of felony criminal conduct were being made in abundance. If those accusations were false and/or malicious, that in itself would be a criminal act. The young woman responsible for the father in Maine being imprisoned, was herself tried, convicted, and sent to prison.
Radio Silence
After years of “Rock Star” status of fame and funding with child service, education, and health agencies, all would change. All of a sudden, nobody had ever heard of “Facilitated Communication”. Nobody knew what it was, nobody knew who might be doing it, nobody knew where such a program might be, nobody knew where one might get training in the field. In short, nobody knew nothing. At all. Ever.
For the low level, “in the trenches” workers, nothing fixes the attention like watching one of your own get sent to prison, for doing exactly what you are doing.
And Facilitated Communication sank without a trace
Maybe the same will happen with the Climate Wars.
Sometimes you “Follow The Money”, perhaps sometimes you put the fear of the “Wrath Of God” into the foot soldiers.

Reply to  TonyL
October 1, 2015 3:30 pm

Wiki’s last paragraph on FC, sound familiar?
Many people believed FC had passed its peak,[41] dismissing it as a fad[41] and characterizing it as pseudo-scientific.[4][42] However, despite these findings, FC proponents continued their adherence to the technique, dismissing empirical investigations as irrelevant, flawed or unnecessary, characterized FC as an “effective and legitimate intervention” in pro-FC literature,[40] and refused to change their minds or admit their mistakes.[29][43][44] The FC movement has retained popularity in some parts of the United States, Australia and Germany,[22] and is used in many countries to this day.[3]
Its always difficult to completely stop the true believers!

Reply to  Tim
October 2, 2015 8:44 am

Remember a contemporaneous phenomenon? “Recovered memory therapy”? Late eighties through mid-nineties, women who had gold-plated health plans were accusing their parents of having diddled them. Insurance companies were spending mega-bucks on extremely dubious new-age hypnotherapists who were living large on ruining lives. Public opinion began to turn with a handful of big-time exposes. Eventually, I believe insurance rules were re-written by Congress and psychotherapy was handed over to the pill-pushers. The low-life’s evaporated like the Somali pirates and now we have a generation of mass murderers on mental meds shooting up schools and theaters left and right.

F. Ross
Reply to  TonyL
October 1, 2015 4:51 pm

For the low level, “in the trenches” workers, nothing fixes the attention like watching one of your own get sent to prison, for doing exactly what you are doing.

Could use some of that medicine in the IRS, DOJ. Secret Service, …hell the whole government!
Schadenfreude on Shukla

James Fosser
October 1, 2015 3:12 pm

I dont know if there is a connection, but 649 million people in India do not have access to a toilet!

October 1, 2015 3:28 pm

What about the other signatories of the RICO letter? I’ll bet they all have their own corrupt non-profits.

Reply to  REG
October 1, 2015 3:50 pm

Yes. Trenberth’s is called NCAR, a part of NOAA, a part of the US government. At all levels corrupt (Lois Learner, IRS), and given chronic deficits for sure non-profit.

October 1, 2015 3:47 pm

still waiting for the MSM to pick this up–will it make the 10:00news???

Gary Pearse
October 1, 2015 4:02 pm

this is a list of papers of which Shukla was author
– first paper co-authored with Kinter in 1988
– Cola climate reports 1994 to 2006 and nothing thereafter(?)
– a paper by Dirmeyer and Trenberth in 2014 – a connection with IGES?

October 1, 2015 4:12 pm

Shukla’s 2013 statement is going to leave a mark. On January 6, 2014 he answered “no” to the following:
Offices and Directorships.
Are you or a member of your immediate family a paid officer or paid director of a business?
The IRS 990s from 2013 show otherwise.

Reply to  DGH
October 2, 2015 6:31 am

Then he’s in trouble, as I posted above a former colleague of mine did that and was fired as a result.

October 1, 2015 4:15 pm

was this the first “outing” mentioning “trillions”, now part of everyday CAGW language?
Climategate 2.0: Model Quotations: Gerald North on Climate Modeling Revisited (re Climategate 2.0)
By Robert Bradley Jr. — November 30, 2011
[Jagadish] Shukla/IGES: [“Future of the IPCC”, 2008] It is inconceivable that policymakers will be willing to make billion-and trillion-dollar decisions for adaptation to the projected regional climate change based on models that do not even describe and simulate the processes that are the building blocks of climate variability.
2 pages: April 2013: Forbes: Larry Bell: Global Warming Alarm: Continued Cooling May Jeopardize Climate Science And Green Energy Funding!
Gosh…Where Did All of Those Expensive Climate Models Go Wrong?
A scientist who commented in a Climategate email was badly mistaken when he observed: “It is inconceivable that policymakers will be willing to make billion-and trillion-dollar decisions for adaptation to the projected regional climate change based on models that do not even describe and simulate the processes that are the building blocks of climate variability.” As it turned out, our policymakers did make those horrendously costly decisions based upon highly speculative model projections, mostly reported by the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

October 1, 2015 4:19 pm

Why is it that I keep on thinking of what appears to be rapidly developing and marked parallel between the debacle of “Shukla 20’s RICO fantasy” destruction of skeptics and the Paris COP in less than two months time and the destruction of public belief in the absolute trustworthiness of climate scientists wrought by ClimateGate in the lead up to the hugely heavily and over hyped Copenhagen Conference of 2009.
It seems that climate alarmists scientists have this rather unique ability to shoot themselves in both feet when the heat is really on.
And the higher their profile, the bigger the guns that they use to do it!
Or maybe there is a God in Heaven after all who gets a good chuckle out of seeing that “the best laid plans of mice and men oft go astray!”

Stuart Jones
Reply to  ROM
October 1, 2015 5:34 pm

They are just getting more desperate, and as the pressure is on they do what they always do, act without actually doing any thinking or checking of data. The just assume that they can “adjust” the facts to match their position. it has worked in the past and they are stupid enough to believe that they are infallible.

Barbara Skolaut
October 1, 2015 4:21 pm

“captured the attention of Congress, and FOIA documents are coming out”
Awwwwww – ain’t that just too bad.
I’m order another boxcar of popcorn. 😀

October 1, 2015 4:32 pm

as for George Mason Uni, worth a re-run:
first survey pdf is broken, use this one: http://www.climatechangecommunication.org/images/files/TV_Meteorologists_Survey_Findings_%28March_2010%29.pdf
2010: Grist: Randy Rieland: TV weathercasters and news directors are distorting climate coverage
Just a few months ago, we learned that one out of four weathercasters surveyed [PDF] thought global warming wasn’t really happening, and another 21 percent weren’t sure yet. Now a new survey [PDF] reveals that 21 percent of TV news directors don’t think climate change is real, and 26 percent are unsure…
This latest survey — conducted, like the earlier one, by the George Mason University Center for Climate Change Communication — shows that the TV newsrooms of America aren’t exactly havens of scientific discourse. Only 10 percent have a full-time science or environmental reporter, which means that the job often falls to the person who points to cold fronts on colorful maps. And despite the overwhelming recognition by top climate scientists that global warming is human-caused, 90 percent of the news directors said their coverage of climate change must reflect a “balance” of viewpoints…
I am blogger, hear me roar: Andrew Freedman, a member of The Washington Post‘s Capital Weather Gang, blames the blogosphere — or, more specifically, the fact that a number of big-name meteorologists have found second careers there as climate skeptics:
‘In my view, the perception that there is significant scientific disagreement about the causes of climate change can be traced in part to the rise of the blogosphere as a medium of scientific communication (and misinformation). Climate skeptics dominate this medium, and many are current or former weather forecasters, such as former TV meteorologist Anthony Watts of the popular “Watts Up With That” blog, and Joe D’Aleo, who runs icecap.us.’…
kudos to Anthony and other meteorologists who have dared to question CAGW.

Greg Cavanagh
October 1, 2015 4:52 pm

There were 19 other signatories on that petition; do they also believe it was put up on the web site by mistake?

October 1, 2015 5:21 pm

The far-left in our government structure is so used to getting its’ way, that the corruption is total. They think there will never be any accountability for the totalitarian tendencies.

Reply to  pyeatte
October 1, 2015 5:46 pm

Until Ted Cruz becomes president in 2017 !!! Then the proverbial SHlT will hit the fan !!!!

average joe
Reply to  Marcus
October 1, 2015 7:03 pm

Sorry dude. Trump is the next POTUS. Look at the bright side though. He’ll be even more entertaining than Cruz as he publicly neuters these guys!

Reply to  Marcus
October 1, 2015 7:15 pm

When Trump starts losing state primaries he’ll probably pull a Ross Perot (third party) and guarantee a Dem for President. I sure hope not – I support Ted Cruz too.

Kurt in Switzerland
Reply to  Marcus
October 2, 2015 1:54 am

I read somewhere that Ted Cruz was born in Canada. Isn’t this / shouldn’t this be a problem (apart from Cruz being in 5th or 6th place in all nationwide polls)?

Reply to  Kurt in Switzerland
October 2, 2015 2:02 am

And John McCain was born in Panama. Cruz was born to an American citizen mother 21 years or older, which means he had American citizenship at birth.
The polling is a larger issue. But it is early days yet.
===|==============/ Keith DeHavelle

Reply to  Marcus
October 2, 2015 6:42 am

McCain had some issues about whether he was a ‘natural born citizen’, the senate took the precaution of declaring him to be one prior to the election to circumvent any challenge.

Jimmy Haigh
October 1, 2015 5:54 pm

Anything from “Real Climate” on this yet?

October 1, 2015 6:53 pm

It seems the mainstream media are beginning to sit up and take notice of all this ‘predatory’ pseudo-science garbage and the shucksters it attracts-

October 1, 2015 7:19 pm

This post makes me smile. I hope to be laughing soon. Then … hysterical after the criminal trial.

G. Karst
October 1, 2015 7:49 pm

“Give a man enough rope and he’ll hang himself.” It’s our special long term weapon. Ssssh… mums the word… Send more rope. GK

October 1, 2015 8:12 pm

Chairman Smith: “IGES appears to be almost fully funded by taxpayer money while simultaneously participating in partisan political activity by requesting a RICO investigation of companies and organizations that disagree with the Obama administration on climate change.

As far as I can tell, no posters have noticed what the House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology is going after. The committee won’t care about what most of us here are talking about. Most of it is beyond their jurisdiction. What they can go after is spending taxpayer funds for political activities.
I’m not sure what teeth the committee has. The Hatch Act governs political activities by government employees and its only penalty seems to be removal. The best the committee can do may be to publicize the bad behaviour. I speculate that the committee could somehow take back the grants.

Mike the Morlock
Reply to  commieBob
October 1, 2015 9:00 pm

commieBob I agree for starts. As I said prior this is an auditors dream. They mixed the grant money up. If they payed one person outside a grant,,..
In 2009 climate-gate occurred after an election cycle. Now we are entering one. In is going to get interesting.

October 1, 2015 8:21 pm

With all due respect to professor Shukla, and not much is due,
he must feel now like he was lifted by advanced aliens
and he is given an anal probe…

October 1, 2015 8:29 pm

Re: Australian like everything there…overrated and expensive… they live in wawa land. No one looks or pays for the Australian anymore they are extinguishing themselves with the :”subscribers” theme. BTW Thank you Mr Watts for pursuing this story, Yes Mosh only reply and yes for some funny reason he did get Gleick but to no avail whatsoever, he still works hands free… the rest have ALL disappeared… Stokes, Zeke ect and will not post on this issue, it is likely the end of AGW and the team me thinks. Thank you to Tony Heller and Mr Watts and all the other skeptic/doubter sites! LOL

Reply to  Eliza
October 2, 2015 11:56 am

“it is likely the end of AGW and the team me thinks.”
Not even slightly. Go outside of the echo chamber here and see how many people know anything about this. Wait 3 months, 6 months, whatever, and see what comes of it.
The machine is way too big.

October 1, 2015 8:40 pm

The question is, given all the facts, why did Shukla make waves?
The answer is that for people like him, truth becomes relative.
A matter of power over others, and a matter of money. Lots and lots of money.
Warming is what people like him say it is. People who look at the actual temps readings are to be subjected to RICO prosecution.
Since they disturb the order of things. The order in which Shukla is at the top.
That total loss of any sense of reality is why the second in command at the EPA thought he was James Bond…
But somewhere, somewhere deep, they have a bit of awareness left.
That it could all come down crumbling upon their heads.
Which, hopefully, is what happens as we speak.

Kurt in Switzerland
Reply to  adrian_o
October 2, 2015 1:21 am


October 1, 2015 9:09 pm

If I vote for Trump will he send this guy packing to India?

Smart Rock
October 1, 2015 9:35 pm

Mark Steyn doesn’t seem to have picked up on this story yet. Assuming that he does, he will (one hopes) bring it to the attention of his friends in the right-wing media, like Fox (and I expect that there are plenty of others). Those people make enough noise that it could become a topic of national discussion. That also means broad international attention because the media everywhere I’ve been always tend to report the bigger american stories. Particularly in Canada because we do love to read and hear about American stuff so we can feel smugly superior (or hopelessly outclassed – often simultaneously and in a single brain).
My point is, there’s enough sympathetic media outlets that this thing is very probably going to get an airing. Everybody loves a scandal. Here, you can actually see a guy getting rich off the warming industry – and with public money!! Climategate never had that, it was all about intellectual dishonesty, and people are so used to that in politicians, that only among reasonably well educated people would there have been much sense of outrage. Yes, public money drove it, but none of the head warmists were seen to be overtly skimming, and I don’t recall any of the emails talking about money.
As Winston Churchill said in 1941, “This is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it might, just possibly, be the end of the beginning”. (quoting from memory so it might not be 100% accurate and it might have been 1940 or 1942).

Reply to  Smart Rock
October 2, 2015 3:25 am

“… the end of the beginning”

Here’s a link to “A Speech at the Lord Mayor’s Day Luncheon at the Mansion House, London, 10 November 1942”. The speech was about a major Allied victory in North Africa.
The speech is interesting in one remarkable aspect. There was no mention of the USSR which Germany had invaded in June of 1941. By the time of Churchill’s speech the Germans had been throwing men and material into the mire for nearly a year and a half. The Nazis underestimated the Americans and the Soviets.

“When I said that British fighter-bombers had shot up my tanks with 40mm shells, the Reichsmarschall who felt himself touched by this, said: ‘That’s completely impossible. The Americans only know how to make razor blades.’ I replied: ‘We could do with some of those razor blades, Herr Reichsmarshall.'” link

October 2, 2015 1:43 pm

“But then when to ends begin?”

October 4, 2015 12:09 am

If you delivered HD video of Dr. Hoodoo bouncing naked hookers on both knees sitting on a bed of taxpayer money YOU would be persecuted for being a voyeur and not having 60 frame 4k.
At best he will be sufficiently finger wagged in congress to be “investigated”, only to be exonerated by some federal district court. The wolves are truly in every corner of the hen house (media, education, government, etc.). Even if you hit the power ball and he was convicted of something – one bad apple would not be allowed to expose the spoil in the whole bunch.
My wife is a liberal with a handful of (non-technical) degrees and believes every word of AGW uttered. Why? She doesn’t question authority. If I ask her how much has the earth’s average temperature is reported to have raised in 100 years she doesn’t have a clue… and doesn’t want to know!
Please don’t get me wrong, I really respect all the hard work put into all these blogs (I lurk 4 or 5) by all the rational professionals involved. At this point though I’m sure the choir is convinced.
Somebody take all this evidence, hire a professional (technical) host and create a feature length documentary that states our case factually without boring the average sports fan (and do it without Koch bros funding). If Michael Moore can do the opposite, why not?
Hammer some nails in this coffin and maybe Steve McIntyre could go fishing for a month.