Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Pope Francis has demanded skeptics renounce climate skepticism, and affirmed his support for strongly partisan initiatives such as the EPA Clean Air Initiative.
According to The Guardian;
In a tougher-than-expected call for action on global warming, the spiritual leader of more than 70 million American Catholics defied calls among some Republicans to steer clear of politics by making clear he believed this was a moral issue.
“Climate change is a problem which can no longer be left to a future generation,” said the pope, who invited contrast with the civil rights struggle by invoking the spirit of Martin Luther King Jr in support of his argument.
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“Mr President, I find it encouraging that you are proposing an initiative for reducing air pollution,” the pope said with a slow, deliberate delivery that left little room for misinterpretation.
The following is a full video of the speech at the White House
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4iDF0RPXgU
His Holiness has ignored approaches, from those who have sought in good faith to present other viewpoints.
It seems ironic, that the Church effort to repeat the mistakes of the past, occurs on the 500th anniversary of a letter written by Galileo. The letter explains in simple terms, why the Church’s efforts to define scientific truth , to quash scientific uncertainty with religious moral authority, were so misguided. Words of wisdom, which are as applicable today, as there were when Galileo wrote them (quote courtesy of Dr. Willie Soon);
Therefore let these men begin to apply themselves to an examination of the arguments of Copernicus and others, leaving condemnation of the doctrine as erroneous and heretical to the proper authorities. Among the circumspect and most wise Fathers, and in the absolute wisdom of one who cannot err, they may never hope to find the rash decisions into which they allow themselves to be hurried by some particular passion or personal interest. With regard to this opinion, and others which are not directly matters of faith, certainly no one doubts that the Supreme Pontiff has always an absolute power to approve or condemn; but it is not in the power: of any created being to make things true or false, for this belongs to their own nature and to the fact. Therefore in my judgment one should first be assured of the necessary and immutable truth of the fact, over which no man has power. This is wiser counsel than to condemn either side in the absence of such certainty, thus depriving oneself of continued authority and ability to choose by determining things which are now undetermined and open and still lodged in the will of supreme authority. And in brief, if it is impossible for a conclusion to be declared heretical while we remain in doubt as to its truth, then these men are wasting their time clamoring for condemnation of the motion of the earth and stability of the sun, which they have not yet demonstrated to be impossible or false…
Read more: http://genius.com/Galileo-galilei-letter-to-the-grand-duchess-christina-annotated
Given that to date climate alarmists, whose claims are based on computer models, have failed to produce a model which can predict the climate, it seems fair to suggest things are still very much undetermined and open.
Update – Video link updated, the original video was removed by the user who posted it.
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Ptolemaic model + church dogma = Spanish inquisition
CAGW + RICO Act = Progressive Inquisition
I think once again, a lot of people on this blog are making the mistake of using the misguidance of the Roman Catholic church as a way to trash the entire christian church.
The RCC has been slowly drifting away from the scriptures for centuries, and there are millions of conservative Christians (the type that believe the Bible is the inerrant word of God) who do not buy into the AGW argument at all. Also they do not see the Pope as the ultimate authority and do not see him as the only one with direct access to God himself (as there’s nothing in the Bible that justifies such a figure).
For one thing, I believe that the increase in Co2 is helping the biosphere get closer to the state that it was in during the Creation event (when Earth was a paradise), every little bit toward that point helps even though we’re not going to get there with the current state of the world.
To clarify, the RCC is not to be seen as ‘the’ image of the church (they do not represent the 1 billion plus people who also believe in Christ but do not see the Pope as their representative). The media quite often makes the mistake of referring to the Pope as the leader of the entire church when in reality he leads a group which is more or less in their own league (ie. not representing Christianity in its purest form).
Can we please stop calling Jorge Bergoglio “the Pope”?
Jorge is a modernist and a Marxist; he espouses beliefs already defined to be heretical. Since he is not a Catholic, he cannot be the head of the Catholic Church.
http://www.cmri.org/
Yesterday we went from being Den*ers to being Doubters. Today we are Heretics. I’m getting dizzy.
I can’t help but think of the phrase “the blind leading the blind.
Has the EPA replaced Christ as the saviour?
Guess they could end up “crucified” (so to speak)…
Depends on which way the politics leans.
Pope Francis is waaay out of his depth on these issues which are neither within his competence nor even within his remit. The Political Pope.
Very likely the last Pope.
Regrettably, no.
More new suckers are born every minute, and the Church wants to keep them poor and helpless.
Ironic that the symbol in which this fairytale religion is solely constructed on also happens to be the biggest influence on climate change. It’s the SUN stupid.
It doesn’t matter if the Pope approves. He’s not a “climate scientist”!
PS I wonder if Congress and Obama have gotten their threatening letters from The Freedom from Religion Foundation yet?
Open statement to Pope
Hello Sir. You seem like a nice man. You seem like you want to help people. All very good. Now ask yourself who takes better care of the environment, a prosperous country or an impoverished country? You can thank the free enterprise system (capitalism) for the fruits.
Regarding climate change and fossil fuels. If God created the earth, then God created the oil and other natural gases. Are you suggesting a great big joke by God to get us into prosperity and modernity with the power of these natural fuels, only to force us back into poverty to save the planet. Maybe God loves irony. CO2 is life. Plants require CO2 for food and then give us oxygen to breathe. Embrace the CO2 cycle; embrace life.
c’mon. it is great fun watching the Progressive Left swoon over a Pope surely.
Salon.com, which caused outrage this week for giving a platform to a paedophile:
Salon: I’m a pedophile, but not a monster
which the’ve done before:
2012: Salon: Meet pedophiles who mean well
has on their front page at present:
Can the loving presence of Pope Francis heal our sick political culture? It feels that way today. Let us pray
Twitter tells the tale: Pope Francis’ speech does not sit well with the conservative “intelligentsia”
It’s almost as if the pope deliberately set out to troll the Republicans, and they’re not happy about it
The pope urges xenophobic Republicans to “view refugees as persons” instead of numbers
yet this was Salon on Popes Francis & Benedict previously:
30 Aug 2015: Pic of Pope Francis: The Catholic Church’s mafioso fantasies: Why the Pope really isn’t so different from “The Godfather”
While Christianity has pretensions of piety, its actual behavior would make Don Corleone blush
June 2014: Pope Francis’ new clothes: Why his progressive image is white smoke and mirrors
Don’t buy his populist rhetoric. The new pope is every bit the sexist homophobe as his predecessors
http://www.salon.com/2014/06/22/pope_franciss_liberal_reformer_image_is_all_smoke_and_mirrors_partner/
2013: Meet the Catholic extremists who could shatter the church
The Society of St. Pius X has a past of Fascist sympathy and worse. Pope Francis might welcome it back to the flock
2012: No one’s listening to the pope (Benedict)
priceless. makes the huge cost to American taxpayers of hosting the Pope’s visit worthwhile.
The left is only swooning over the Pope because he is moving in their direction, and they’re hoping to lure him even further to their side. That would be a big coup for them. But if he wakes up and refuses to go any further, the flattery and swooning will eventually stop, and they’ll give up courting him. The left will then go back to hating all things Christian, including the Pope.
It reminds me of when the NY Times endorsed John McCain for President in the GOP primaries. Then, as soon as he won the nomination, they did a hit piece on him accusing him of having an affair based on rumors and innuendo. They were never on his side. They just wanted him to think it so he would moderate his views to stay in their good graces. So I hope the Pope is prepared for a major letdown in his celebrity status — unless he is willing to accept gay marriage, contraception, abortion, etc.
Just watch him.
http://c8.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/pic_cartoon_092215.jpg
(courtesy of nationalreview.com)
So whaddya think…did the Pope’s people talk to Obama’s people to shape message on Climate Change?
Wikileaks revealed in 2010 that the Vatican was going to get in bed with the 0bamanes regarding global warming.
If there was any risk that this old man’s delusions about CAGW were “infallible” I’d be out of the door too. But he is just human and as liable to error as the rest of us on this kind of plausible guff. I absolutely accept his messages about not wasting the world’s resources and acting to tackle exposure to poor environmental conditions, whether from dung fires in primitive huts or smoggy cities or from poisonous industrial processes. Maybe he can’t see how he has been conned by the false prophets of doom peddling the carbon lie – it isn’t easy to see beyond the “save the world” mantra and recognise the real, wholly political objectives of the so-called “green” lobby.
On the other hand, when the press coverage focuses on his views being rubbished by creationists and Taliban-style “Bible” fundamentalists, he gets more of my sympathy than they do…
Is the mass media really that convincing to you, QV? . .
One of the most damnable lies that’s been foisted on us by that slimy whisperer, as I see it, is the idea that actual “Bible fundamentalists” don’t see these words of my Lord as defining the fundamentals of Christianity;
~ And when the multitude heard this, they were astonished at his doctrine.
But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.
Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets ~
Please don’t allow the mass media, or wolves in sheep’s clothing, to paint false pictures in your mind, of what it means to be a “Bible fundamentalist” follower of Christ. One absolutely must take such a sweeping statement, about all the law and the prophets (the Book) to be fundamental, it seems to me, or the term simply does not apply.
That’s the Boss speaking, no one really works for Him if they don’t strive to do as He instructs, I believe. (And no, love thy neighbor does not mean coddle or seek to please him/her in any way they might ask. Anymore than loving a child means giving them more candy when they ask.)
Let the Pope stick to his core business – religion – and the scientists stick to their business – science.
Politicians should also stick to their core business – spinning the facts to suit themselves and their philosophy.
The Pope has no government authority here in the United States. His opinion is that of an alien. The reality is that the climate change we have been experiencing is caused by the sun and the oceans and Man does not have the power to change it. The real ecological problem that Man can solve is Man’s out of control population. That is the problem the Pope should be addressing.
The populations of the US, Europe, and the rest of the “developed” world, are not “out of control”. Why it is important to “focus” on birth rates in less “developed” areas, rather than on helping them to develop too, Is somewhat mysterious to me. So, perhaps the “real ecological problem” is lack of development in much of the world, which makes stifling acquisition of a ready sup[ply of reasonably priced energy contra-indicated, to solving either “ecological problem”, it seems to me.
I live in the USA and I can have as many children as I want.. Just 200 years ago the county where I live was mostly wild with a few ranchos and Indian villages. Now it is mostly urban and suburban with almost no farmland left. The world in which we live has finite area and finite resources yet Man is increasing his population as if there were no limits. Many parts of the globe are already having problems with a lack of resources and safe areas for human habitation. A major extinction event is underway caused by a loss of habitat from Man’s out of control population. Just 200 years ago there was virtually no use of fossil fuels and now we are in the process of burning up the Earth’s very finite supply just as quickly as possible. If Man does not control his own population then Nature will, catastrophically
WWJD? Swat him up along side his metaphysical head and tell him to get back to what he told Peter to do 2,000 years ago.
Maybe he is smarter than we give credit for – with the Left becoming increasingly anti-religion/atheistic, what better way to lure some back into the fold than to embrace ideologies and political causes so dear to them? Why else should he care about a pseudoscience that will only serve, through its policies (e.g. moving away from fossil fuels that are affordable) to ultimately hurt those he says should be uplifted?
If the head of any nation state in the world told people he only took news from one daily newspaper and relied on just one advisor whose background was in another field, he’d be laughed out of the room and be out of office by week’s end.
Yet the Pope gets a pass, because he’s the Pope. The head of an organisation that has been more than just a little bit shady throughout it’s history, one known to hide facts from the public and to persecute any who disagreed with their position to further their cause (hmm…sounds familiar). That and well known to look the other way in regards to the persecution of others with differing beliefs when significant benefits are offered.
But yeah, his position on the issue (and pretty much any moral issue) is totally relevant. /sarc
I once was tasked to provide an estimate for surveying services for a church and cemetery, the day was muggy with building cumulus, not the ideal setting for an atheist.
I figured I would never avoid the coming lightning strike.
Yet here I am.
(Grace means unwarranted favor ; )
This pope is a symptom of globalist drive toward crony capitalist statism to benefit the few, including the tens of billions of dollars rich Church, at the expense of the poor, whom they wish to multiply.
Francis overthrew Benedict, heir to the greatest pope in history, John Paul II, in a palace coup by globalist leftist functionaries.
The Church will probably survive this shameful episode, as it did selling indulgences, but its reputation will be forever sullied.
Benedict was a Nazi. At Dachau. My dad met him there when he came to liberate the camp. I confronted him in Germany in 1968 at a meeting in Tubingen and he ran out of the meeting when I told everyone his true past.
Are you saying that he was a guard at Dachau? What made your dad remember him?
The Nazis persecuted Catholics. While still a teenager he was drafted as a Luftwaffe anti-aircraft gun “helper” (as were girls), then when older into the Wehrmacht, from which he deserted.
Hear about God’s banker? How was Solidarity funded? Reminds me of “saint” Theresa’s own penchant for dodgy “donations”.
Any form of organised crime is dispicable. WWJD? Pretty sure not that!
Benedict protected child molesters and JPII let him. For the good of the church, eh?
Francis was only elected because there was a long stalemate in voting after ol’ Hitler’s youth pope tried to stamp out corruption and got pushed out/couldn’t hack it anymore.
As for this one… well it seems the Jesuits simply cannot help themselves when it comes to conspiracies. Remember China?
After bringing “Christ” back in “Christianity” the only way was down.
The Pope, in his position, is taking a big risk on this one. When the climate change scam is revealed, in time. People will ask the Pope if all the other things he stands for are true.
After decades of discouraging the mass of impoverished faithful from adopting family planning and contraception, the world now contains many millions more catholics than if such people had been permitted access to birth control.
So, that’s a big success for the catholic church. Lots of catholics. Hurrah for them!!
Now there is only one big problem – that whilst numerous they are still desperately poor.
Meanwhile in Northern Europe and North America where nasty protestants ignored the Roman Church’s guidance, and planned family sizes by using evil condoms and suchlike, we now have lots of wealth per person. Not surprisingly.
Wouldn’t it be great if the church could now find a way to take the money off of the rich educated family planning non-catholic protestants and jews and dish it out to the numerous but poor catholic faithful.
First, of course, we would have to encourage the adoption of the idea that the hardships of the catholic world are caused by the weather.
And then that the weather is caused by the nasty rich Protestants and Jews in the North.
Then we could force those nasty carbon emitting Protestants and Jews to hand over all their ill-gotten cash.
The plan will only be complete when the catholic church has both all the people AND all the money!!!
It sounds like a ridiculous idea when explained in simple terms.
But, with a genius like the Pope at the helm – then this may just work!!!
If it does, the Big Hammer drops without a doubt, I believe. You must have noticed how the Story ends . . and there’s nothing that I can detect, about any world Government or world religion lasting more than a couple years at best.
But no, it doesn’t sound at all like a rediculous idea to me. It sounds kinda like what I think must happen at some point, before you know Who shows up again.