Naomi Klein: "we need to be very careful raising expectations over Paris"

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Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Naomi Klein, the green gift which keeps on giving, appears to be preparing the ground for a disappointing Paris COP 21 outcome.

According to Klein;

Australia has just announced its emissions reduction target before climate talks in Paris later this year. Do you think it’s sufficient?

This game of countries’ leaders saying about other countries “they are doing it too” is so childish. I’d say it was shocking but then [Tony] Abbott tried to keep climate off the agenda at the G20.

I think we need to be very careful raising expectations over Paris – there won’t be a deal in line with the science.

One part I find particularly shocking is that Australia is very much on the frontline of climate change. In Canada, most people don’t experience the extreme weather, but in Australia it is severe…

It’s not just about things getting hotter, it’s about things getting a lot meaner. You see that in Australia where the treatment of migrants is a profound moral crisis. It’s clear that as sea levels rise that this mean streak and open racism is going to become more extreme – climate change is an accelerant to all those other issues.

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/aug/27/naomi-klein-on-climate-change-i-thought-it-best-to-write-about-my-own-raw-terror

Its nice to know that Naomi shares our view, that Paris COP21 is unlikely to achieve anything of consequence.

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Andrew
August 26, 2015 10:09 pm

Sydney (coastal, not western suburbs) rarely reaches 30C. And almost never reaches 0C. It’s the least extreme climate on earth.

Lewis P Buckingham
Reply to  Andrew
August 27, 2015 2:53 am

Most Australians live on the seaboard, not in the arid zones.
Those rural dwellers adapt well to the extremes of temperature.

Crispin in Waterloo but really in Yogyakarta
Reply to  Andrew
August 27, 2015 5:04 pm

The least extreme climate on earth is in the DRC (Congo) basin. Dry season is when it doesn’t rain continuously. During the wet season those little dry patches cloud over.

August 26, 2015 10:24 pm

For the December meeting; PARIS Ites of the world unite.
The biggest gathering of unelected unaccountable parasites upon the taxpayers of this planet.
Prizes for the most outlandish costumes.
Bonuses for the most egregious scheme to transfer wealth from the struggling poor to their bureaucratic overlords.
As the snow piles up in Paris, the cold sinks in and the transport grind to a halt.. who says ma Nature does not have a sense of humour.
How much will the UN bandits pay Al Gore to stay away?
As popular entertainment sinks to new lows every year, I am almost good with reincarnating the Roman Circus, the population explosion of Polar Bears needs a relief valve, create good paying work for the Inuit and what could be lovelier than letting ecoterrorists and cuddly Polar Bears interact?
Yes I know, in very bad taste especially for the poor bear.

ferdberple
Reply to  john robertson
August 27, 2015 6:16 am

very bad taste especially for the poor bear
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braised polar bear will be on the menu in Paris. paired with a Bourdeau, magnifique!

kim
August 26, 2015 11:01 pm

She projects, and enhances her own hatefulness in the desire to find it elsewhere.
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August 26, 2015 11:18 pm

I think we need to be very careful raising expectations over Paris – there won’t be a deal in line with the science.
Naomi, that is exactly what we are afraid of. If anything were in line with the science, COP21 would be cancelled.
it is unlikely we’ll be blessed with snow in Paris for the September meeting. Cold and rainy is more likely.
What is far more likely is a world-wide bear market and recession. Perhaps that chill will help reorder priorities towards saner policies than self-denial.

Reply to  Stephen Rasey
August 26, 2015 11:19 pm

Oops. Paris for the December meeting.
http://www.cop21.gouv.fr/en

Keith Minto
Reply to  Stephen Rasey
August 27, 2015 2:30 am

And what a website it is, very visual, lots of colour and movement. Looks very expensive and evangelistic. Nearly took the quiz but they wanted my email address.

August 26, 2015 11:31 pm

There is stil some ice in Hudson Bay…Aug 25th:
http://www.natice.noaa.gov/pub/ims/ims_gif/DATA/cursnow_usa.gif

James at 48
Reply to  J. Philip Peterson
August 27, 2015 1:25 pm

Yep, the current ice area is skating along at the edge of 2 standard deviations, quite a bit above 2007 at this point in the year. The air temperature at the pole is well below freezing now. Sun angle now in single digits. Plus, it appears the Polar High has established itself, so it will be tough for any major storms to get going between now and the typical minimum point, now mere days away.

August 26, 2015 11:41 pm

Luckily Naomi Klein has succumbed to the Darwin effect. She and her “man” have had only a single child, and she is far too old to inflict another person carrying her heredity upon humanity.

AJB
August 26, 2015 11:50 pm

Hmm, some governments are probably more than happy to have useful idiots like Naomi entertaining nutters on a world tour. Let’s see how many fast-track nuke or brown coal plant replacements quietly get advanced while this circus is on-going. Getting rid of green crap while chillaxing on a Cornish beach is hardly likely to frighten the horses, just let it rot. After all, serving beyond sell by date kippers to a petulant poisoned dwarf worked out pretty well. Nobody noticed gaudy pink paint being permanently removed from stable doors. Graffiti artists are still arguing amongst themselves about while they shouldn’t repaint them bright red!

hunter
August 27, 2015 12:17 am

Prof. Klein is not merely a mercenary cynical propagandist. After reading the except, it is clear she is likely crazy as well. She confuses with weather with climate, confuses her personal politics with science, and seems to believe in magical thinking.

James Allison
August 27, 2015 12:29 am

Good grief. Has the world of warmista really stooped this low? Nobody but nobody could take this nutter seriously.

August 27, 2015 1:23 am

What a hypocrite. She’s flying round the world yet again, to promote her book about how awful climate change and capitalism are!

Reply to  Paul Matthews
August 27, 2015 11:54 am

Shirley, you jest!
I mean, surly you jest.
No way she is selling a hard copy of her book.
It must be an e-book only…it absolutely must be.
I’m sure she would never destroy the planet with a disgusting paper book.

knr
August 27, 2015 1:43 am

‘It’s not just about things getting hotter, it’s about things getting a lot meaner. ‘
Pure water-mellow at work , unless of course you can explain how ‘social justice ‘ , and term no no real meaning , actual fits into the science.
Although to be fair to Klein she continues to live in, exploit and enjoy the ‘evil capitalists west ‘ rather they experience first hand the joys of ‘socialists paradises’ they endlessly prise . So it must be hard life for her .

August 27, 2015 2:17 am

It scares me that there may be a Paris Deal. Obama will sign anything.

Lady Gaiagaia
Reply to  Slywolfe
August 27, 2015 12:16 pm

If it’s a treaty, the Senate will have to approve. Unlike the Iran deal, the vote would be required and binding. That’s why the US never ratified the Kyoto Protocol, although thanks to natural gas, we are one of the few countries to meet its standards. Maybe the only one.

Reply to  Lady Gaiagaia
August 28, 2015 12:34 am

I fear he will sign an “Agreement” exactly like the Iran “Deal” and the International arms control agreement, legally obligating USA to pay & play.

Reply to  Slywolfe
August 27, 2015 7:16 pm

Don’t worry, Slywolfe. Of all those countries that signed the Kyoto accord, not one has actually done what they promised.
President Obama (nice guy, heart in the right place) is faced with an economy in tatters and capital markets that are little more than a house of cards, both requiring endless supplies of printed money. He has latched on to global warming (sorry, climate change) as what psychiatrists would probably call a displacement activity. Yes, he may well sign something, but he won’t be around to not comply with it.

Reply to  Smart Rock
August 28, 2015 12:30 am

I hope you are correct about a meaningless commitment by BO, but I am unconvinced.
I totally disagree with your characterization of him.

RockyRoad
Reply to  Smart Rock
August 28, 2015 3:35 am

I wonder why countries signed Kyoto knowing full well they couldn’t comply. Doesn’t that make them all look pretty stupid? Or maybe they figured one stupid move negated another?

David Smith
August 27, 2015 3:52 am

It’s clear that as sea levels rise that this mean streak and open racism is going to become more extreme

I know quite a few commenters have already talked about this, but I have to say:
WTF?
In fact, let’s cut to the chase:
Naomi Klein. WTF?

August 27, 2015 4:12 am

Re Australia.
I know of NO PERSON who is concerned about sea level change apart from a few academics trying to get more funds for Great Barrier Reef research. For your average Joe, it is a nothing.
Tony Abbott, the Prime Minister, has committed to an emissions reduction which he says we will make with ease, but he has chosen to do it without wrecking the country with penalising fuel and electricity increases.
Other countries should consider his reasoning and method before being explicit about their futures.

August 27, 2015 4:41 am

More Australia.
I have worked with official climate records, in considerable detail, since about year 2007.
When comparing temperatures years 2000-2014 with official printed summaries ending in the 1930s and 50s, we can not see the claimed official warming of 0.9 deg C for the last century. We can see about 0.3 to 0.4 degrees, when we include available pre-1910 official records. Has there been global warming of Australia? We think not.
We do not use the homogenised ACORN-SAT record because we are aware that homogenisation was done by the official publishers (CSIR, later CSIRO, and the Commonwealth Government). We can see no reason to re-homogenise homogenised data. Because methods differed, the recent homogenisation might well be reversing earlier, valid homogenisation in the game of cooling the past.
http://joannenova.com.au/2015/03/historic-documents-show-half-of-australias-warming-trend-is-due-to-adjustments/
Noting our caveats, the reason why Australian records appear to agree with other countries and the world. is simply because of choice of stations and data lengths. Records like BEST end up exaggerating because it attempts to further correct records that have already been corrected by experts. There was inadequate research into the past history of station records.
There is NO sign of an increase in the last 7 decades of anything catastrophic. I looked at heat waves in Melbourne, Sydney, Adelaide, Hobart and Perth, for heatwaves of 4,5,6 and 10 days duration and got results that were mixed. There was no solid evidence of an increase of simply-defined heat waves.
http://joannenova.com.au/2015/02/heatwaves-in-australia-not-longer-not-more-common-why-wont-bom-and-abc-say-that/
NOBODY has criticised these findings. Why should a foreigner, unfamiliar with the records and science, find a problem? It’s not real.

Robert of Ottawa
August 27, 2015 5:48 am

Ha. Global warming makes Australians meaner! Klein is a stupid Canadian.
It’s not just about things getting hotter, it’s about things getting a lot meaner

Gus
August 27, 2015 5:56 am

Why should we care at all what that woman has to say? She’s not an authority on anything. She’s just a professional activist, without academic background in science. She didn’t even complete her degree in philosophy and literature at the University of Toronto. Let’s be clear about this: she’s a scientific and economic illiterate. She knows nothing of climate science, nothing of economic implications and damage caused by climate science racket. Arrogant, uneducated, vociferous, and parasitic people like her are a bane of our democracy, culture and society. The right way to deal with them is to ignore them wholesale, condemn them to oblivion.

old engineer
Reply to  Gus
August 27, 2015 7:32 pm

I think you have her credentials correct. Yet she is an advisor to the Pope on climate change. What might we infer from that?

Resourceguy
August 27, 2015 6:39 am

I know the advocacy golden rule is to create step change to their ultimate goals. But could we just fast forward to get an honest look at the ultimate goals for Paris and the next stops on the policy travelogue tour?

Resourceguy
August 27, 2015 6:42 am

Every major political movement has useful idiots, and some of them turn out to be certifiable.

H.R.
Reply to  Resourceguy
August 27, 2015 8:37 am

In case you were wondering, I think this was the poll Naomi Klein used to validate her statement in that last paragraph. Shown are the average of the responses of a select group of climate activists and sock puppets.
1. The sea level is rising due to increased levels of CO2. On a scale of 1-10, where would you rate yourself as being
Racist |———————^–|
Conspiracy Theorist |——————–^—-|
Flat-earther |—————^——-|
Mean son-of-a-gun |————————–^|
2. On the same 1-10 scale, where would you rate yourself as being
Useful |–^—————–|
Idiot |——————–^–|
Useful Idiot |———————-|—^
Thank you for participating in our survey. Have a lollipop.

Tim
August 27, 2015 6:47 am

These lavish conferences held by the global elite, provide a perfect venue for them to influence government officials with little public oversight.

PaulH
August 27, 2015 6:52 am

So the phrase “global warming” continues it metamorphosis. I’ve lost track, but there was the progression to “climate change” to “global weirding” to some other terms. Now it seems “global meanness” is the phrase of the week.
/snark

August 27, 2015 7:12 am

Hide the decline? Hide the Naomi Klein!

rogerknights
August 27, 2015 7:15 am

Canada doesn’t have as many long-lasting droughts and floods as Australia. That’s probably most of what Klein had in mind.

Reply to  rogerknights
August 27, 2015 9:33 am

Ain’t that an oxymoron?
What Klein had in mind?

Glenn999
August 27, 2015 7:41 am

wow
klein is a frothing psycho. it gets hot and the people get mean. it’s just how it works.
what happens when it gets cold? lots of hugging and snugging
sciencyphychobabble
thank you mz klein

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Glenn999
August 27, 2015 9:45 am

I think she meant hot flashes make her mean.

Rishrac
August 27, 2015 9:01 am

So now we have another cause of climate change. Racism! Who knew climate change created so many probems! Especially among western nations. Of course nothing is happening anywhere else. I’m sure ISIS would welcome here with open arms. She would go for about two sheep and a goat.