Focusing on carbon dioxide (because that’s where the money is) threatens forecasts, and lives
Guest essay by Paul Driessen and David R. Legates
President Obama’s agreement with China is about as credible as his “affordable care” pronouncements.
Pleistocene glaciers repeatedly buried almost half of the Northern Hemisphere under a mile of ice. The Medieval Warm Period (~950-1250 AD) enriched agriculture and civilizations across Asia and Europe, while the Little Ice Age that followed (~1350-1850) brought widespread famines and disasters. The Dust Bowl upended lives and livelihoods for millions of Americans, while decades-long droughts vanquished once-thriving Anasazi and Mayan cultures, and flood and drought cycles repeatedly pounded African, Asian and Australian communities. Hurricanes and tornadoes have also battered states and countries throughout history, in numbers and intensities that have been impossible to pattern or predict.
But today we are supposed to believe climate variability is due to humans – and computer models can now forecast climate changes with amazing accuracy. These models and the alarmist scientists behind them say greenhouse gases will increasingly trigger more “severe, pervasive and irreversible impacts for people, species and ecosystems,” a recent UN report insists.
In reality, carbon dioxide’s effect on devastating weather patterns is greatly overstated. We are near a 30-year low in hurricane energy (measured by the ACE index of “accumulated cyclone energy”), and tropical cyclone and storm activity has not increased globally over that period. In fact, as of November 18, it’s been 3,310 days since a Category 3-5 hurricane hit the US mainland – by far the longest stretch since records began in 1900. This Atlantic hurricane season was the least active in 30 years.
Moreover, there has been no warming since 1995, several recent winters have been among the coldest in centuries in the United Kingdom and continental Europe, the 2013-14 winter was one of the coldest and snowiest in memory for much of the United States and Canada – and the cold spell could continue.
Accurate climate forecasts one, five or ten years in advance would certainly enable us to plan and prepare for, adapt to and mitigate the effects of significant or harmful climate variations, including temperatures, hurricanes, floods and droughts. However, such forecasts can never be even reasonably accurate under the climate change hypothesis that the IPCC, EPA and other agencies have adopted. The reason is simple.
Today’s climate research defines carbon dioxide as the principal driving force in global climate change. Virtually no IPCC-cited models or studies reflect the powerful, interconnected natural forces that clearly caused past climate fluctuations – most notably, variations in the sun’s energy output.
They also largely ignore significant effects of urban and other land use changes, and major high-impact fluctuations like the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (El Niño and La Niña) and North Atlantic Oscillation. If we truly want reliable predictive capabilities, we must eliminate the obsession with carbon dioxide as the primary driver of climate change – and devote far more attention to studying all the powerful forces that have always driven climate change, the roles they play, and the complex interactions among them.
We also need to study variations in the sun’s energy output, winds high in the atmosphere, soil moisture, winter snow cover and volcanic eruptions, Weatherbell forecaster Joe D’Aleo emphasizes. We also need to examine unusual features like the pool of warm water that developed in the central Pacific during the super La Niña of 2010-2011 and slowly drifted with the wind-driven currents into the Gulf of Alaska, causing the “polar vortex” that led to the cold, snowy winter of 2013-2014, he stresses.
“The potential for climate modeling mischief and false scares from incorrect climate model scenarios is tremendous,” says Colorado State University analyst Bill Gray, who has been studying and forecasting tropical cyclones for nearly 60 years. Among the reasons he cites for grossly deficient models are their “unrealistic model input physics,” the “overly simplified and inadequate numerical techniques,” and the fact that decadal and century-scale circulation changes in the deep oceans “are very difficult to measure and are not yet well enough understood to be realistically included in the climate models.”
Nor does applying today’s super computers to climate forecasting help matters. NOAA, the British Meteorological Office and other government analysts have some of the world’s biggest and fastest computers – and yet their (and thus the IPCC’s and EPA’s) predictions are consistently and stupendously wrong. Speedier modern computers simply make the “garbage in, garbage out” adage occur much more quickly, thereby facilitating faster faulty forecasts. Why does this continue? Follow the money.
Billions of dollars are doled out every year for numerous “scientific studies” that supposedly link carbon dioxide and other alleged human factors to dwindling frog populations, melting glaciers, migrating birds and cockroaches, and scores of other remote to ridiculous assertions. Focusing on “dangerous human-induced” climate change in research proposals greatly improves the likelihood of receiving grants.
American taxpayers alone provide a tempting $2.5 billion annually for research focused on human factors, through the EPA, Global Change Research Program and other government agencies. Universities and other institutions receiving grants take 40% or more off the top for “project management” and “overhead.” None of them wants to upset this arrangement, and all of them fear that accepting grants to study natural factors or climate cycles might imperil funding from sources that have their own reasons for making grants tied to manmade warming, renewable energy or antipathy toward fossil fuels. Peer pressure and shared views on wealth redistribution via energy policies, also play major roles.
When Nebraska lawmakers budgeted $44,000 for a review of climate cycles and natural causes, state researchers said they would not be interested unless human influences were included. The “natural causes” proposal was ultimately scuttled in favor of yet another meaningless study of human influences.
The result is steady streams of computer model outputs that alarmists ensure us accurately predict climate changes. However, none of them forecast the 18-years-and-counting warming pause, the absence of hurricanes, or other real-world conditions. Nearly every one predicted temperatures that trend higher with every passing year and exceed recorded global temperatures by ever widening margins.
The constant predictions of looming manmade climate disasters are also used to justify demands that developed nations “compensate” poor and developing countries with tens or hundreds of billions of dollars in annual climate “reparation, adaptation and mitigation” money. Meanwhile, those no-longer-so-wealthy nations are implementing renewable energy and anti-hydrocarbon policies that drive up energy costs for businesses and families, kill millions of jobs, and result in thousands of deaths annually among elderly pensioners and others who can no longer afford to heat their homes properly during cold winters.
Worst of all, the climate disaster predictions are used to justify telling impoverished countries that they may develop only to extent enabled by wind and solar power. Financial institutions increasingly refuse to provide grants or loans for electricity generation projects fueled by coal or natural gas. Millions die every year because they do not have electricity to operate water purification facilities, refrigerators to keep food and medicine from spoiling, or stoves and heaters to replace wood and dung fires that cause rampant lung diseases. As Alex Epstein observes in his new book, The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels:
“If you’re living off the grid and can afford it, an installation with a battery that can power a few appliances might be better than the alternative (no energy or frequently returning to civilization for diesel fuel), but [such installations] are essentially useless in providing cheap, plentiful energy for 7 billion people – and to rely on them would be deadly.”
By expanding our research – to include careful, honest, accurate studies of natural factors – we will be better able to discern and separate significant human influences from the powerful natural forces that have caused minor to profound climate fluctuations throughout history. Only then will we begin to improve our ability to predict why, when, how and where Earth’s climate is likely to change in the future. Congress should reduce CO2 funding and earmark funds for researching natural forces that drive climate change.
Paul Driessen is senior policy analyst for the Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow (www.CFACT.org) and author of Eco-Imperialism: Green power – Black death and coauthor of Cracking Big Green: To save the world from the save-the-Earth money machine. David R. Legates, PhD, CCM, is a Professor of Climatology at the University of Delaware in Newark, Delaware, USA.
Maybe what we need is my grandma. She prepared for all events related to weather pattern variations. That training came from her dad, who crossed over from the East coast on the Oregon Trail. Now that is schooling in being prepared for all weather conditions.
We should be so prepared. This nonsense about knowing what the climate will do is fantasy. Pure and simple. But we don’t live in a Disney script. We live in real life. Unpredictable. At times plentiful and at times dangerous. Even deadly. Prepare for it, don’t predict it.
We live in an age of instant gratification, and the desire to predict the future and control it is an extension of that. We fervently want to believe we can, so when the media offers us a consensus of authorities who claim to be able to provide gratification to that effect, we clamor to follow and embrace what we don’t quite understand and don’t care to investigate, because our heroes promise to assure a better future, even if they require us to make sacrifices for our children’s sake.
Also, being prepared does not require a redistribution of global power
Outstanding article.
Thanks, Paul and David, good article.
Yes, the man-made global warming scam is real and will end human life on Earth.
We first need accurate weatherforecasts before anyone can talk about accurate climate forecasts. 25% accuracy at 3 days out (and that’s being generous) is NOT commendable.
How can we predict climate for 100 years if we can not predict weather for 100 hours? Climatologists, you have a lot of homework. Back to a weather table.
The thing to always remember about the global warming movement (and the climate industry, so-called as it consumes billions of dollars every year) is that it is first and foremost a POLITICAL movement and the science is secondary at best. There would be ZERO interest in climate studies if it were not for the fact that left wing, progressive political goals are intimately tied to scaring common folks into believe they must subjugate themselves to a progressive, socialist/communist government in order for our “planet” to survive. You should keep this in mind as you read the endless stream of MSM climate scare stories and the so-called scholarly “research”.
Paul Driessen writes:
“Moreover, there has been no warming since 1995, several recent winters have been among the coldest in centuries in the United Kingdom and continental Europe, the 2013-14 winter was one of the coldest and snowiest in memory for much of the United States and Canada – and the cold spell could continue.”
Which is exactly what I was hoping to see. That strong negative values of weekly AO/NAO and regional cold land temperatures since 2009, have been as extreme as in previous solar minima, despite a rise in the global mean surface temperature. Which suggests to me that such events are caused by solar changes, at the scales that the weather events occur, independently to the global mean surface T, as there is essentially nothing else to explain them.
So what needs to be forecast first is weather rather than climate. Being able to forecast a short term solar signal at long range is the only way to give a meaningful precipitation outlook in many regions, as the short term temperature/rainfall relationship reverses from summer to winter.
From forecasting the short term solar signal at long range and its impact on the AO&NAO, one can then extrapolate likely seasonal ENSO status, and on a longer term even AMO status.
Looking at the last two solar minima, Dalton and Gleissberg, the coldest periods for the mid latitude land temperatures span roughly between the sunspot maxima of the first two weaker sunspot cycles, 1807-1817 and 1885-1895. Which in this minimum translates to roughly 2015 to 2025. On top of that, appropriate heliocentric analogues of the short term planetary ordering of solar activity at the scale of weather, also show a generally very cold period from late 2015 to 2024. The period analogue being 1836-1845, which was within ~0.01°C of 1807-1817 on CET:
http://climexp.knmi.nl/data/tcet.dat
My forecast for the start of it is linked here:
http://judithcurry.com/2014/11/12/challenges-to-understanding-the-role-of-the-ocean-in-climate-science/#comment-647762
A good article, we do need accurate climate forecasts. Where the IPCC, this article, and virtually all the comments go off the road is that climate forecasting, like weather forecasting, is impossible. The climate, like the weather, cannot be precisely forecasted in a useful manner. They are CHAOTIC systems so any forecast at best will be a statiscal probablility forecast- as in the high temperature tomorrow in Chaos City will be near 32 deg.F with light winds from the northwest and a windchill that feels like 27 deg F, or from the IPCC the climate forecast that in 2100AD we will likely face more extreme droughts, bigger storms, and more erratic weather. That is unlike a spacecraft launch that can put a satellite in orbit withing 100 miles of a point after 4 million miles, or an interplanetary mission that can hit 5 miles in 430million after 10 years(with a couple small course corrections) Neither the IPCC nor any other climate model can come anywhere close to useful precision or statistical certainty. Just look at the storm track forecasts that vary from 50 miles to 500 miles in just days.
Even if we had really studied and knew the majority of the major climate variables including CO2, and knew how how they acted and interacted, the results would still be realistically useless because model of a chaotic system never NECESSARILY follows the same path from the same starting point. The prediction may be close, but it also may be very wide of the mark. Any long range economic planning, such as 2100AD, will be expensive, and still likely to fail catatrophically when the model misses by a few percentage points.
There is only one useful long range strategy available right now. Do everything possible to bring the less developed countries out of poverty and at least above(guesstimate) where the lowest 20% of the world economies are now. Wealthier countries can weather cyclones, hurricanes, droughts, Ebola, volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunamis, solar storms, and other natural or man-made catastrophes much better than the lowest 20% can now. That wealth doesn’t even have to be evenly distributed. Right now the “poor” in the USA and most developed countries(even the one trying to deindustrialize for the sake of climate) are in the second or third quintile of wealth globally. That is enough that disasters, while irksome, inconvenient, disrupting, and costly, can be weathered without destroying the society.
As a side note, the future changes most likely to really seriously damage the global community are social, cultural, and economic “panics” caused by extremists of any sort- political, religious, nationalistic, or cults of some sort. Especially with the Internet damaging thought paradigms or “memes” can spread so fast they cannot be counteracted.
Phil Cartier
I made long range solar based forecasts for major Arctic outbreaks to start from around 10th Nov 2014, 7th Jan 2014, 13th Mar 2013, late Jan into Feb 2012, late Nov through Dec 2010, and Jan+Feb 2010. With a very similar performance for forecasting UK heat waves since 2010 too.
I would say that’s very useful, it definitely is not chaotic.
Link, please.
Here’s the 7th Jan 2014 forecast. It went very well for the US, but failed for the UK as I didn’t figure what the very warm NE Pac SST’s would do to the jet stream track. The solar component of the forecast went fine:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/09/13/like-the-pause-in-surface-temperatures-the-slump-in-solar-activity-continues/#comment-1417206
Might I suggesta review of the Wiki article on ‘Divination’?
mwh,
Thanks. We’ll see how well I hold up.
One hopes that the rate of knowledge gained in any field accelerates as research is done. I like progress.
Another case in point is the paper on ocean salinity Anthony covered in this recent post: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/11/21/surprise-sea-water-salinity-matters-to-sea-level-on-long-time-scales/
From the Discussion section of the paper itself: Our study confirms that halosteric contributions to steric SL changes are non-negligible on regional to basin-scales. This result has not been acknowledged in previous works as most long-term SL change assessments have been largely focused on GMSL change, thereby explicitly excluding the consideration of halosteric effects.
The paper is open-access and may be read in full here: http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/9/11/114017/pdf/1748-9326_9_11_114017.pdf I encourage you to do so because it’s full of good stuff — contrary to popular belief amongst posters on that thread, the conclusions were not based on models, rather they were based on observational data sets. The intent was to point out that previously GCMs have not taken regional changes into salinity into account resulting in localized inaccuracies.
IOW, doing the exact thing the contrarian community has been going blue in the face criticizing consensus climatologists for not doing. [1]
I’m glad that you recognize the utility of models for reconstruction. They’re extensively used for hypothesis formation as well. I’m not so happy with your statement “but we have little or no reference to whether this is normal or abnormal as the accuracy and number of readings dont yet give enough historical data.” How much data is enough? Put a quantity on it.
I’m being rhetorical of course. There are never enough data, period, let alone accurate data. We always want more and better, so we’re constantly gathering it all the while improving the sophistication of the instrumentation. You mention ARGO; I think that’s a perfect example. Satellite observation for temperature, radiative flux, aerosol and cloud characteristics — all hopefully superior methods of constant global monitoring that will yield better and better results and understanding.
In the meantime, we must do the best we can with the data we have. A good part of the reason you know about deficiencies in climatology is because good scientists are rigorous about detailing them in literature.
LOL, the heck it doesn’t. You’re doing it right now … 🙂
I unequivocally agree with you. I think I have a good understanding of how we arrived at this absurdity, but this post is getting longish and there are some references I’d want to dig up first that may take some searching. If you’re interested I’ll expand on this in a follow up comment.
Re: chaos, short-term prediciton failings and glaciation. Since Milankovic’s seminal research I think we’ve been able to reasonably explain the mechanisms of glacial/interglacial cycles in the current “icehouse earth” regime we find ourselves in at present — as opposed to the “hothouse earth” regime of, say, the Cambrian when temperatures, sea levels and CO2 were far greater than anything we’ve seen over the past million years. Of course dealing with paleo observations is an art and one can tell pretty much any story desired picking through the data we’ve got.
Frex, contrarians are fond of noting that CO2 lags temperature. [1] No sane consensus climatologist denies this, after all they’re the ones who figured it out in the first place. Reading their work it’s abundantly clear to me that they’re doing their level best to understand long term gradual climate changes absent our influence to establish a baseline for comparison to present-day observation so as to be able to tease out and quantify any influence we are having. It’s extraordinarily challenging work fraught with uncertainty and I’ll be the first to say that the massive amount of naive assumptions and facile explanations offered up in popular media and public dialog simply do not cut it.
Just imagine the scorn this forum would heap upon me if I said that I’ll stick with GCMs even if they’re more often wrong than right ….
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[1] Which I dispute, with the added note that maybe the reason AGW critics think it’s not being done is at least partially explained by not reading papers like this due to falsely assuming it’s “just another” study which relies on models for its conclusions.
[2] Y’all are also fond of saying Greenland used to be green and that Mann, et al. quashed the MWP with schlocky (and/or mendacious) application of useless treemometers coupled with bogus statistical techniques.
mwh, errata: the second note [1] in the body text s/b [2]. Perhaps a mod could fix it for me?
Nice reply and I am not arguing with most of it and thanks for the ref I will have a read as I have become very interested in salinity and Ph recently. Progress on this subject would be not to be dismissive of anothers work just because it doesnt fit your own or ‘consensus’. Not checking the negative feedback to scientific research or hypothesis is to be unscientific.
I have no problem with models at all, they are tools at the end of the day – the use to which they are put is what I have a problem with. bad imputs have to make bad outputs. Reconstruction and aids to observation should be about good imputs. I am convinced that if used properly instead of obsessively crunching CO2 information in like they do, they would find out what is missing and what the mechanics of warming forcings is all about. The current increasing CO2 level must have a part to play, especially with the worlds green biomass…. there is something that really doesnt add up here IMO. Whether the CO2 increase will prove to be permanent or a balancing mechanism that produces a negative forcing that regains equilibrium, I think remains to be seen. Completely dismissing ‘warmist’ CO2 theory is equally unscientific as their almost religious adherence to it
Its not the understanding of how the prehistoric climate worked as such that I was alluding to, but what triggers the sudden start and finish of a glaciation period. What mechanism causes the rapid rise and even quicker falls in temperature.
The period of time for the ARGO buoys (for instance) is probably pretty indefinite but I can see a time coming when perhaps we can predict decadal trends and variation with better accuracy using models. One would have to say that time is probably not now! I really dont see how anybody can predict how long it will be, it will be when a consistent and explainable forecast can be made.
I like to think I read papers and information from all sources, I find contrary views fascinating and entrenched ones frustrating. As for Greenland they may not have had thermometers but they are part of a written record and recent history so using it (and other records) to say there was an MWP is valid, to dismiss it using just one rather poor record – not so valid.
mwh,
Thanks. It’s a popular topic recently.
It goes both ways, I assure you.
So is saying, “There’s no scientific evidence of y caused by x” when gobs and gobs of it exist.
What are the bad inputs and how do you know that they’re bad?
But of course.
Earlier today I spammed Alx with several links to FAR and one paper from 1987 which talk about all sorts of non-CO2 related climate dynamics, plus links to NASA’s GISS model forcing portal which puts quantifiers to various non-CO2 forcings: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/11/24/needed-accurate-climate-forecasts/#comment-1797988
The argument that climatologists only look at CO2 is easily falsifiable and rings very hollow to people like me who know better.
I’m not understanding your argument.
Yes to the first half. The second half implies the warmies are completely faith-based in their beliefs. I have a problem with that because the same argument can, and has, been applied to many controversial scientific fields. Show of hands, how many climate contrarians here believe the Earth is 6,000 years old? I can cut and paste climate contrarian arguments into archaeology, cosmology, evolution, medicine … it doesn’t matter. The construct of the rhetoric is very similar — focus on the complexity of the subject, gaps in the evidence, alleged nefarious motivations of the researchers and then triumphantly declare that anyone who believes the research is a member of a religion. Well, I’ve done religion and I darn well know the difference between my approach to climate — or any science — and how I was taught “truth” in Sunday school.
You’ve got that backward, the runups generally have the steeper slopes: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/MilankovitchCyclesOrbitandCores.png
I very much agree with the last. As for the former, yes we have records of a guy called Erik Thorvaldsson who settled Greenland near the time of the MWP that may just have had a flair for marketing. As good a speculative rebuttal as any when the temperature proxy is the word “Green”.
I don’t much care for the more common consensus rebuttal “Yabbut, the Greenland ice sheet is 400,000 years old” because it would take a long time for a major portion of the sheet to melt. It is certainly possible that the fringes were more fertile than normal due to 300 years of a relative warm spell. Some climate researcher or 50 out there might tell me how very wrong I am about that, but I can’t possibly chase down every single little thing and there are so many other things I’m a lot more interested in researching for myself. Cheers.
Stephen Richards,
I can’t recall reading any climate-related primary literature written by anyone with the letters “GED” after their name. Not even a contrarian paper.
Well you know, only God is alleged to be omniscient but unfortunately He hasn’t published in ~2,000 years according to the western world. If you know of a non-IPCC approved model that is consistently more correct running over out of sample observations, I’m all eyes.
An odd phrasing to be sure. EVERY non-IPCC model is more correct than ANY IPCC-approved model over EVERY series of real-world measurements. (Unless you know of ANY IPCC-approved model run that has EVER been correct. )
This seems like an overreaction if not false dichotomy being put forth by the authors. When I go to the NOAA Climate Program website, for example, nowhere do I see any distinction between natural and human-caused climate change. The objective is simply to better understand climate change, regardless of the cause.
http://cpo.noaa.gov/ClimatePrograms.aspx
Alx,
You’re echoing the OPs’ statement “But today we are supposed to believe climate variability is due to humans …” which I responded to in my first post on this thread. My objection is the same now as it was then. If you’re going to attack an argument, attack the actual argument. Provide direct and complete quotes with citations so that any and all can read them in full context and rebut specifics. Otherwise all you’re doing is the same arm waving you accuse those you’re attacking. Not exactly compelling.
Academic. You’d think someone would have figured that out already.
I think it’s bizarre that you think the sum total of climatology is extrapolation of lab experimentation. Do you actually think nobody has ever even attempted a direct observation out in the wild?
I really wish some people would shut their traps on the “science is settled” meme. I refuse to carry their water for them because I don’t go for those sort of hubris-feeding statements when the subject of study is such a complex system. They painted a big target on their posteriors when they came up with that one and I really don’t like the collateral damage being done to those of us who aren’t so nitwitted, but who still get caught in the crossfire.
Now that speech is out of the way, you might do well to look into the difference between forward-looking uncertainty in projections relative to observational uncertainty. Predictions, projections, forecasts are universally more difficult than analysis of what’s already been written, very much so in climate. People that do have their wits about them on the climate consensus side of things understand this and take care to make the distinction.
RACookPE1978,
I don’t know about EVERY. I do know that my own unrealistically simple linear regression models beat the CMIP5 hindcasts published in AR5 on global SAT. But any curve fitting monkey can do that. The meddle of a model is in its ability to make accurate prediction. IPCC-approved GCMs unarguably do worse over out of sample data than in hindcasts tuned to observational data. No dispute on that point from me.
My challenge stands. Show me a contrarian model that beats the IPCC on forward looking projections/predictions/forecasts and you will have my full and undivided attention. Bonus points if its output is gridded and does more than just spit out surface temps.
Stephen Richards,
What is the “it” to which you refer?
Gamecock,
No, I go with the best evidence, which in this case is proven reserves. A better critique of my post is that I’m trusting a coal advocacy group to tell the truth about proven oil and gas reserves. In this case I believe from multiple independent sources that there is indeed far more known coal in the ground than known gas and oil.
Based on proven reserves I know that’s true of me. Based on prior experience, we’re awfully clever when it comes to finding out ways to extract and process previously unobtainable resources. The thing about me is that I don’t make statements of confidence in future outcomes without at least an attempt at an evidence based analaysis.
We’re a tenacious intelligent and creative species to be sure, but not without limits. The great irony of contrarian arguments about the foolish assumptions and overconfidence of the IPCC is that you lot don’t often recognize you’re flying just as much in the dark as you say the warmists are.
http://www.eia.gov/naturalgas/crudeoilreserves/
You are too [trimmed] to argue with.
[Don’t insult. Argue so others can see your arguments. And learn. .mod]
Alx,
I couldn’t have said that last part better myself. I wouldn’t be caught dead writing the first bit since it’s patently false. Here’s a paper from 1987, well before The Pause; http://202.41.82.144/rawdataupload/upload/insa/INSA_2/200059d7_745.pdf Formulation and Analysis (p. 2 of the pdf):
Observations have shown that the constant-amplitude component of the solar radiation hardly undergoes significant changes even over long stretches of time. Thus, a linearly increasing global radiative trapping effectively increases linearly the percentage of the direct solar energy stream that is globally retained within the troposphere and at the Earth’s surface [… just as] an increase in the constant-amplitude component of incoming solar energy would result in relatively more energy being retained in the atmosphere and at the Earth’s surface.
One would also have to be brain dead to not recognize that the reason temperature changes is because masses are either absorbing more energy than they receive, or are dispersing more energy than they absorb. It’s implicit in discussions of energy balance and equilibrium temperature that the mechanism is all about energy flux on balance resulting in net retention or loss of energy.
https://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/far/wg_I/ipcc_far_wg_I_chapter_01.pdf Section 1.1 Introduction (p. 7 of the pdf):
The Earth’s climate is dependent upon the radiative balance of the atmosphere, which in turn depends upon the input of solar radiation and the atmospheric abundances of radiatively active trace gases (ie, greenhouse gases), clouds and aerosols. Consequently, it is essential to gain an understanding of how each of these climate forcing agents varies naturally, and how some of them might be influenced by human activities.
That’s why climatologists are specific about timeframes and quantify their results when they publish on this topic:
https://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/far/wg_I/ipcc_far_wg_I_chapter_02.pdf Executive Summary (p. 5 of the pdf):
2 The major contributor to increases in radiative forcing due to increased concentrations of greenhouse gasses since preindustrial times is carbon dioxide (61%) with substantial contributions from methane (CH4) (17) nitrous oxide (N2O) (4%) and chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) (12%).
Estimate of 1750-2000 Climate Forcings: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/modelforce/efficacy_fig28.gif
Estimated radiative forcings over time relative to 1880: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/modelforce/RadF.gif
Raw data for the above chart from 1880 through 2011: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/modelforce/Fe.1880-2011.txt
Here’s the reason you know so much about water vapor:
https://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/far/wg_I/ipcc_far_wg_I_chapter_02.pdf
Although water vapour is the single most important greenhouse gas the effect of changes in its tropospheric concentration (which may arise as a natural consequence of the warming) is considered as a feedback to be treated in climate models, similarly changes in cloud amount or properties which result from climate changes will be considered as feedbacks.
How do tides, which are twice-daily oscillations of local sea levels, have any effect whatsoever on long term trends in temperature? Earth’s orbital parameters, tectonic activity, ocean currents etc. are all extensively studied. Not all well understood, but not being ignored, discounted or glossed over either.
Posts about tides have been discussed here at WUWT, at Chiefio – E.M. Smith, and clivebest, among others. Search those sites for a start. I think Willis Eschenbach did a post but don’t find it – maybe just comments on others.
John,
Willis’ post is here: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/02/09/time-and-the-tides-wait-for-godot/
As a result, I fear that the common idea that the apparent ~60 year cycle in the HadCRUT temperatures is related to the 54-year tidal cycles simply isn’t true … because that 54 year repeating cycle is not a sine wave.
From which I infer there’s been a discussion about how the tidal cycle may affect something like AMO. Which is an interesting thought, but regardless it doesn’t address how an oscillation translates to a rising or falling secular trend over several cycles.
I was reading this blog post by Dr. Jeff Masters of Weather Underground:
New Lake Effect Snowstorm Pounding Buffalo With an Additional 2 – 3 Feet of Snow.
By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 3:46 PM GMT on November 20, 2014
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=2864
He mentioned the extreme snow storm in Buffalo of January, 1977. As they say, context is everything. In regards to climate change, it is notable, this was during the period of the 70′s when extreme Winter temperatures led some, but not all, scientists to speculate about a coming ice age.
I predicted earlier this year there would be another polar vortex this year like last year. I based this on the rebound of arctic ice the last two years. NOAA in contrast predicted no polar vortex:
Feds: Don’t expect winter to be polar vortex redux.
http://www.jconline.com/story/news/2014/10/20/dont-expect-winter-polar-vortex-redux/17630033/
NOAA also predicted an El Nino this year, associated with warming temperatures, which is now also appearing increasingly unlikely. I suggest if climate scientists would consider the large rebound in the arctic ice rather than trying to ignore its existence they would be doing much better with their predictions.
The “ice age” some predicted in the 70′s didn’t occur. Instead it was followed by a warming trend. But those extreme cold temperatures of the 70′s were part of an approx. 30 year cooling trend that began in the 40′s. Then the consecutive cold Winters we are seeing might be indicative of another cooling trend. I’d like to find out if there were also large arctic ice increases accompanying those years with extreme Winter temperatures during the 70′s.
Bob Clark
When you mention evolution, no possibility of the involvement of intelligent beings is permitted.
When you mention climate, no possibility that NO involvement of intelligent beings is permitted.
Such is the thing called “science”, don’t prove, reason, or discuss, but have your own dogmas and dissent is heresy. Questions are not allowed to be asked.
Until recently “we all know fat causes obesity, energy in, energy out” displaced the earlier wisdom that carbs caused obesity. Now, given the general decline in health which is hard to miss, the role of carbs is coming back and being researched.
Of course during the 1970s the science was settled that smog was going to cause another ice-age.
Then there’s plate tectonics.
“Science” has been turned into a religion, with its own priesthood.
Yet there will always be those who seek the truth.
If humans evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?
Because humans don’t want to be monkeys?
If humans evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?
Something to do with peanuts still being a form of currency.
sort of a troll question best left alone, moderator?