Another green calls for "Deniers" to be jailed

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Climate Depot reports that another prominent green, Robert F. Kennedy Junior, has called for climate “deniers” to be jailed. Is it just me, or is there something very wrong with a political landscape in which people find it acceptable to demand their opponents be jailed for disagreeing with them? Watch the video.

RFK Jr wants to jail energy CEO’s for “Treason” Laments no current laws to punish climate skeptics:

RFK Jnr is not alone in demanding people who disagree with him do time – the Google search http://google.com/search?q=jail+climate+deniers returns over 200,000 hits.

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September 24, 2014 1:57 am

He ( & those of similar “opinions”) must be feeling very insecure in their beliefs to come out with these comments.

Peter Miller
September 24, 2014 2:05 am

Just been reading this guy’s biography on Wikipedia.
In the great scheme of things, he would probably be classified as a C3 type of human being. Born with a silver spoon in his mouth, behaves like a spoiled brat, has the morality of a rodent and can therefore be safely classified as someone whose opinion is utterly valueless.
I am pleased he supports the alarmist cult, I would not like to have him on our side.

Death to Green Fascists
Reply to  Peter Miller
September 24, 2014 4:04 am

[Snip. Please use a legitimate email address. ~ mod.]

mpainter
Reply to  Death to Green Fascists
September 24, 2014 5:59 am

Moderator, please note this bloggers cognomen. You may delete this also.

Boulder Skeptic
Reply to  Death to Green Fascists
September 24, 2014 6:29 pm

Death to…,
I’m a skeptic and probably on “your side” on many parts of this issue. But regarding your screen name…really? Not much different than what alarmists are saying is it? The mindset you have reflected in this screen name is not helping, in my opinion. Consider modifying it.
Thanks,
Bruce

latecommer2014
Reply to  Peter Miller
September 24, 2014 5:47 am

Amen brother

Mike McMillan
September 24, 2014 2:08 am

He always gotten a lot of mileage from someone else’s name.

Jimbo
September 24, 2014 2:12 am

“I think it’s treason. Do I think the Koch brothers are treasonous — yes, I do,” Kennedy told Climate Depot.

Koch has done more for the United States of America (and the world) than Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. People like this should be very careful as to how history might view them. What if we entered another Little Ice Age? Has he bothered to look at the IPCC’s projections graphs and compared them to observations?

Robert Francis Kennedy Jr.—the son of former New York senator and U.S. attorney general Robert F. Kennedy—is an attorney, environmental activist and syndicated talk radio host.”
http://www.biography.com/people/robert-f-kennedy-jr–20832775
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Koch Industries conglomerate involved in a variety of industries such as refining and chemicals; service process & pollution control equipment; minerals; fertilizers; fibers and polymers; commodity and financial trading; forest and consumer products; ranching; and business development. In December 2013, the company acquired Molex International, an electronics components company. Significant divisions included Georgia-Pacific, which makes and sells tissue, packaging, paper, building products and pulp, and Flint Hills Resources, which operates refineries in Alaska, Minnesota and Texas. The company employs 60,000 people worldwide.”
http://www.forbes.com/companies/koch-industries/

mpainter
September 24, 2014 2:13 am

Yes, it appears that Peter let slip a telling comment- it is the “cause” that is paramount and their science is the means to its realization.
Peter, you hardly speak like an attorney.

mike
September 24, 2014 2:14 am

Is it just my opinion or is that AGW scam becoming more and more like the nationalsozialism of the 1930s?
Because the only thing of which the AGW propaganda is different to nationalsozialism is that “scepicism” is still allowed.

hunter
Reply to  mike
September 24, 2014 5:20 am

Your opinion is certainly reasonable when one considers history.

DirkH
Reply to  mike
September 24, 2014 12:21 pm

Propaganda is an American invention; Goebbels’ favorite book was the 1928 book Propaganda by Edward Bernays.
Bernays in turn was advisor of Woodrow Wilson during WW I and shaped Wilson’s reputation as the bringer of democracy in the run up to the Treaty Of Versailles.
He also turned women into smokers. Which was his first big success.

Steve P
Reply to  DirkH
September 24, 2014 9:21 pm

I’m not so sure that propaganda is an American invention. Rather, I think it is just the Yankee version or interpretation of an ancient art. Surely you don’t think Americans were the first to tell lies to befuddle the masses, promote their geopolitical agenda, eliminate rivals, or stir up trouble between potential foes?
Consider Freud’s comment to Jung upon their arrival in the US for a series of lectures in 1909:

They don’t realize that we are bringing them the plague.

It is likely that Bernays was coached by his uncle, Sigmund Freud.

dp
Reply to  DirkH
September 25, 2014 4:48 pm

The word predates the United States. It even predates Columbus.

H.R.
September 24, 2014 2:19 am

Gilt guilt on display. Just don’t take it out on me.

Claudius
September 24, 2014 2:28 am

Typical, promotes inclusion and diversity and tolerance to the extreme. Alter the topic of conversation just slightly, instant psychopath.

James (Aus.)
September 24, 2014 2:46 am

Kennedy; you can take the boy out of the bog, but you can’t take..etc.
What an appallingly ignorant and evasive piece of bad form. Where the far right of National Socialism meets the far left of International Socialism is where this addled clown lives.
Apart from the stupidity of his assertions, his personal manner is straight from Slobsville; you could almost feel the disdain and revulsion Michelle had for him.

ConfusedPhoton
September 24, 2014 2:47 am

The problem with Robert F. Kennedy is that he is a nobody within the famous Kennedy dynasty. Joe Kennedy senior, Rose Fitzgerald, JFK and Bobby Kennedy all made their mark in the US and the world. These people were all well known throughout the world, but who can name any of the later Kennedy’s (perhaps Teddy for the wrong reasons).
Clearly this man is trying to make up for his own inadequacies.

CodeTech
Reply to  ConfusedPhoton
September 24, 2014 2:58 am

CP, although you are right, of course, I have never seen any reason to believe that rfk jr. is capable of ever, EVER realizing that he has inadequacies.

ConfusedPhoton
Reply to  CodeTech
September 24, 2014 3:30 am

Point taken!

LeeHarvey
Reply to  ConfusedPhoton
September 24, 2014 6:38 am

Joe Kennedy made his mark on the world?
Was that before or after profiteering in the ilicit alcohol trade during Prohibition?

Tucci78
September 24, 2014 2:56 am

And yet when I suggest that there is justification for investigating the various catastrophist charalatans of the so-called “consensus in climate science” on the grounds that they have knowingly uttered falsehoods in their applications for research grant funding – in other words, that they have arguably perpetrated criminal theft of value by way of fraud – the various fellahin of the Church of Global Warming sputter and fume about how outlandish such a reasonable suspicion (especially in light of the collusive communications among these quacks revealed by way of Climategate and other FOIA information gains) is somehow supposed to be.

CodeTech
Reply to  Tucci78
September 24, 2014 3:53 am

I suspect this is sorta like “But you found out through Stolen Emails”… as if there is some sort of rule about “illegally obtained evidence” when it comes to reality (ie, NOT the reality that lawyers live in). We are not allowed to know about Climategate. That is forbidden knowledge. Therefore the revelations obtained via Climategate did not, in fact, happen.

Lil Fella from OZ
September 24, 2014 3:00 am

Haven’t they heard of free speech in democracy. Obvious they belong in another country where they would be the ones jailed..

Brock Way
September 24, 2014 3:09 am

Climastrology-cum-McCarthyism

James Allison
September 24, 2014 3:10 am

There is more chance that my Aunties name is Bob than you being an attorney. Take your lies somewhere else.

latecommer2014
Reply to  James Allison
September 24, 2014 5:36 am

By saying “your cause” you are removing yourself from the scientific debate. Causes are not part of science, but are part of politics. Please confine ” Causes” to your political blogs, they are not wanted here

latecommer2014
Reply to  James Allison
September 24, 2014 6:04 am

Obviously Peter you are not involved in science. If you were you would know that “causes” are not part of science. I once spent more than a year trying to prove a hypothesis of my own and was greatly successful. I proved my hypothesis had no basis in fact. I was very happy. That’s the way science works to eliminate false ideas.
No/sarc

latecommer2014
Reply to  James Allison
September 24, 2014 6:13 am

By the wayPeter, I truly wish you were right since I would love a warmer world such as the Roman period. I do not care for cold. Unfortunately your warming exists only in models, observation of natural processes has shown the failure (to date) of your cause. Are you going to hold on to the failure for some reason non scientific?

David Ball
Reply to  James Allison
September 24, 2014 6:29 am

Peter should watch “Inconvenient Truth”. It turned many people I know into skeptics.

D.J. Hawkins
Reply to  James Allison
September 24, 2014 2:18 pm

John Kennedy Jr has been mouldering in his grave since 1999. His cousin, Robert Kennedy Jr is the enviro-wack job attorney.

jbkburack
September 24, 2014 3:27 am

We are witnessing here the decline and fall of a great American family dynasty. None too sane to start with, it has now descended into the long night of total lunacy.

Death to Green Fascists
Reply to  jbkburack
September 24, 2014 4:18 am

[Snip. Please use a legitimate email address. ~ mod.]

mpainter
Reply to  Death to Green Fascists
September 24, 2014 6:02 am

Moderator here is another. Please act.

Tucci78
Reply to  mpainter
September 24, 2014 9:02 am

At 4:18 AM on 24 September, Death to Green Fascists had cleverly quoted:

PJ O’Rourke put it best years ago, speaking of the dead Kennedys: “Two were shot, but under the most romantic circumstances, and not, as might have been hoped, after due process of law.”

…against which mpainter at 6:02 AM had inveighed:

Moderator here is another. Please act.

…apparently referring to mpainter’s earlier (5:59 AM) condemnation of this same poster:

Moderator, please note this bloggers cognomen. You may delete this also.

In support of anyone bright enough to pull up an applicable P.J. O’Rourke quotation on the subject of Clan Kennedy and its overall malevolent presence in American politics down through the decades, permit me to recommend to the moderator that Death to Green Fascists‘ ekename, while colorful and replete with warm sentiments, is not in itself a breach of the public peace (so to speak), and can hardly be looked upon as a violation of the site’s terms of service.
For does not death come to each man, and to every group of men, decent, honest, rights-respecting people and Cargo Cult Science watermelon sociopathic “Liberal” fascists alike?

The collegiate idealists who fill the ranks of the environmental movement seem willing to do absolutely anything to save the biosphere, except take science courses and learn something about it.
— P.J. O’Rourke, Parliament of Whores (1991)

kenw
Reply to  Death to Green Fascists
September 24, 2014 6:44 am

exactly. Being shot was being kind to them and secured the sympathy factor. Too kind as the public never got a chance to see the ugly truth.

September 24, 2014 3:44 am

Jail? Isn’t that a little harsh?
Maybe they should just get two years of probation and 1,500 hours of community service.
Then again, they’re probably not as well connected as RFK, Jr.

September 24, 2014 3:48 am

Jailing opponents of wacky government-sponsored environmental theories is not new.
In 1928, Trofim Lysenko, a previously unknown Soviet agronomist, claimed to have developed an agricultural technique, termed vernalization, which tripled or quadrupled crop yield by exposing wheat seed to high humidity and low temperature.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
Lysenko’s theories of environmentally acquired characteristics were not compatible with the accepted theories of genetics in the West, but found greate political favor in the Communist party which ruled Russia at the time. For decades, Lysenkos’s opponents were hounded and ostracized, some were jailed and executed.

Lysenko was supported by the Soviet propaganda machine, which overstated his successes and omitted mention of his failures. This was accompanied by fake experimental data supporting Lysenkoism from scientists seeking favor and the destruction of counter-evidence to Lysenko’s theories. Instead of performing controlled experiments, Lysenko claimed that vernalization increased wheat yields by 15%, solely based upon questionnaires taken of farmers.

On August 7, 1948, the V.I. Lenin Academy of Agricultural Sciences announced that from that point on Lysenkoism would be taught as “the only correct theory”. Soviet scientists were forced to denounce any work that contradicted Lysenko’s research. Criticism of Lysenko was denounced as “bourgeois” or “fascist”, and analogous “non-bourgeois” theories also flourished in other fields in the Soviet academy at this time

In 1948, genetics was officially declared “a bourgeois pseudoscience”, all geneticists were fired from their jobs (some were also arrested), and all genetic research was discontinued. Nikita Khrushchev, who claimed to be an expert in agricultural science, also valued Lysenko as a great scientist, and the taboo on genetics continued (but all geneticists were released or rehabilitated posthumously). The ban was only waived in the mid-1960s.

Striking parallels to what is going on right now, which is on a much larger scale than Lysenkoism.

September 24, 2014 3:49 am

Stalin said name the man and I will name the crime. Easy peasy.

September 24, 2014 3:58 am

Peter, after watching the Kennedy video I decided to go underground. I did a search using “punish skeptics” and words like that, and I found a bunch of really scary comments and articles by people who otherwise would be considered normal.
One of the comments was by a lady professor (Norgaard) who felt I was crazy if i didn´t believe in the IPCC reports, and my lack of faith required treatment by the appropriate medical personnel equipped with the latest mind bending and altering drugs.
Then there was a guy who wrote I should be executed. Another wrote I should be put in jail (that´s nice). The whole crew sounds like a bunch of bin Ladens with a very serious religious mania.

Death to Green Fascists
September 24, 2014 3:59 am

[Snip. Please use a legitimate email address. ~ mod.]

latecommer2014
Reply to  Death to Green Fascists
September 24, 2014 6:19 am

Yes, I will. Do you know any “green fascists”? I know fascists from history, and they all took suicidal paths. Eventually they collapse on their own. Personally I ignore their opinions since I know they are very good at self distruction.

mpainter
Reply to  Death to Green Fascists
September 24, 2014 11:37 am

I will comment. Peter, I am surprised that such a cognomen would pass moderation. This name is new on this blog and I suspect its origin. I deplore its use on this blog.

RockyRoad
Reply to  Death to Green Fascists
September 24, 2014 10:05 pm

Did you write that to use as an undeniable straw man, Peter?
You cad, you.

Col Mosby
September 24, 2014 4:06 am

RFK Jr is the same liar who claimed at the time of Katrina that it would just be the start of a
massive wave of more and bigger hurricanes. What about the hardships he caused by persuading homeowners to sell their coastal properties at losses on the basis of his words?

philjourdan
September 24, 2014 4:07 am

Silence the cries of integrity and freedom – that is how the roaches work.

Cheshirered
September 24, 2014 4:16 am

A sure sign they’ve lost the central global warming argument.
We’re seeing this more and more; intentionally bogus projections of false allegations followed by these geniuses revealing their chosen way of ‘solving’ the imagined problem.
If there was an up-to-date scorecard of climate & energy alarmism v realism, realists would be shown to be holding a huge, unassailable lead.
Hence desperate times call for desperate measures. He’s lost the greatest argument in politically-driven scientific history – and what’s more, he knows he’s lost.

Andyj
September 24, 2014 4:38 am

RFK jr. is not “green” at all.
For starters .. Six children..
[snip – no need to name the children -mod]
Imaging the size of each of their lifetimes carbon footprint multiplied by their offspring, then their offspring in turn. Entirely his fault.
I guess that makes him a liar in my book. It’s not the denier who should be on the stake for telling the truth. Its the loony who throws fireballs in his own wood houses… Which reminds me. His house..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2765736/Robert-F-Kennedy-Jr-Cheryl-Hines-s-5-million-Malibu-mansion-complete-recording-studio-two-storey-tree-house.html
not a Solar pool heater or Solar panel in sight. I see he does not use a push lawnmower. Or bicycles. It’s a long way to go to NY. Did he take one of those coaches? Nah! He has a stinking great Lexus.
One commenter in this link said it well. “Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is notorious for leading the opposition to the Cape Wind project off Cape Cod in Massachusetts because it would supposedly spoil his view from the Kennedy Compound, when he’s not flying in private jets to warmer winter climates. … Hypocrisy, thy name is Kennedy.”

David A
Reply to  Andyj
September 24, 2014 5:15 am

When one’s ignorance is only exceeded by arrogance is a sad day.

rogerknights
Reply to  David A
September 24, 2014 6:03 am

“agnorance”

Mike H.
Reply to  David A
September 24, 2014 4:51 pm

Roger, apt coinage.

inMAGICn
Reply to  Andyj
September 24, 2014 11:46 am

Someone may have a source, but, as I recollect, one of the Kennedy family objections was that the off-shore wind farm would interfere with sailing regattas.

Col Klink
September 24, 2014 4:45 am

Bill of Rights Public Enemy Number 1 : Bobby Kennedy Jr
How about all those insurance companies who stopped writing hurricane policies
in the Coastal areas partly because they believed Boby Kennedy’s predictions
of larger and more deadly and more plentiful hurricanes? In the decades since,
the absence of hurricanes has resulted in huge losses to those companies.
How about class action lawsuit against Kennedy? What about all those who
sold their property at a loss and had to move? They can join the lawsuit.
How about jailing those who deny that global warming has not happened
for 18 years? They are the real deniers.

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